EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

dog was found in northeast Houston area.

if you know who this dog belongs to, please contact me asap.  Dog is in a pound, with limited time left.

Sent you a pm.

(http://images.craigslist.org/3n63oe3la5O15Q25R69b9b26f2dd237c714b8.jpg)


Dog is in a municipal pound. Mandi tried to "spring" him, so that the dog would have more time until the rightful owner is found. Problem is, the lady running the pound would rather the dog be put down, than to go into another "working" home.  >:(   Now, I don't know who owns this dog, and I don't have a vested interest in this dog, other than, I would hope someone would do the same for my branded dogs.

Would'nt someone be able to go in and identify the dog now that you have showed a pic and say it's thiers? By doing this they can hold onto the dog until the rightful owner hopefully recovers him. The pound has to release the dog if you go in and say it yours, right? If so, what is the price it's going to take to spring him?

Should be able to unless that lady is gonna be a _____!

Yes, the rightful owner can go in and pick him up.

Yes, I imagine someone could go in there and claim to be the rightful owner and pick him up too.

When Mandi offered to "adopt/foster" the dog until the rightful owner was located, she was told that she would have to go through a non-profit rescue organization in order to get the dog out of there. ( sounds like BS, but that's what she was told by this "animal lover")

Mandi contacted a friend with a non-profit animal rescue, and if all goes well,  they will have someone going to pick the dog up this afternoon.

In the meantime, myself and others have been calling some large animal vets in the area, and the sale barns hoping to locate the owner of this dog.  

Isent someones Screen name on here Diamond "D"??? 

Maybe the brand is registered.

Thats a good looking dog. someones lookin for it if they took the time to brand it.

    Brand registry in Texas is done by the  254 different counties, if it comes to it, I will hit some of the courthouses in the area to look in their brand ledger and see who might have it registered..  

   Just spoke with Texas and Southwestern Cattle Raisers Association's Special Ranger, Jimmie Belt. Also spoke to Sgt. Peterson with the Harris County Livestock Division.  Both of these men are trying to locate the person that might own this dog.

Through Dinah's contact, I did find out that there is a man, Doug Butcher, that uses the Diamond D on his cattle, but they don't think he runs any dogs. Trying to get a hold of him to see if the dog might be his.

bghogdogtx,
     There is a Diamond A on ETHD, she uses the Diamond A brand on her dogs.

AAWWW thats right my bad.  I knew there was a Diamond Something ;D

That is Dougs brand and I can get ahold of him if need be.

If you don't mind giving him a call, it would help to either get the dog back to him, or rule him out as a potential owner.

What did the cattle associations think of a pound putting down a branded animal? If registered brands supposedly get dogs covered by the livestock laws, I'd think euthanizing one would be a big deal. Like if the city caught someone's branded cow, kept it for a few days without trying to hunt down the owner, then shot it. Wouldn't they be subjected to doing a certain amount of due diligence? And couldn't the owner sue them for lost property if they didn't?

Julie,

   I did not get into that aspect with the cattle association, just that there is a branded dog in a pound, and trying to locate the potential owner. 

 

a brand is like a licence plate  tell ya to whom it belongs
         JMO

It would be nice if there was an online database that could be accessed.  I think that in theory, there can be 254 different people in Texas with the brand Diamond D right hip.   I register my brands in Harris and Leon county, but I am sure there are many other people around Texas  that have Circle C and Rafter C registered too.

I just came on to post this on here...glad to see you all are on top of this. 

Jerryg

I wonder how hard it would be to create a database.....I know it would take alot of time but it would be helpful.  It seems that even LEO's and animal control could benefit from it as well.  Would be pretty cool if we could have one person from every county make copies of the brand log from their county and just scan them in to a web data base..

MG

Matt, the brand book at leon county was huge. I think a person would have to sit there at the courthouse to do the data entry. I doubt that's a book that could go home with anyone to copy it. Some counties may have it on microfiche or backed up on disc. That would make things easier to access, but we are still talking man hours to get it all entered.

I would volunteer to go get harris county's records, but it may be too much for one person to handle. I guess we won't know unless we try though.
Cheers
M

Exactly, which is why a data base would be so vast and hard to maintain. I could theoretically have the same brand as you but in Kleberg County.

With the help of several people, we were able to spring the dog from the pound. Hopefully we can locate the rightful owner...

Please cross post this on other sites that you visit.

Chris

Here is a closeup of the brand. Now that I have seen the brand in person, I am not so sure that it is a Diamond D,,, might be some other letter.

(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p204/ccoughran/DIAMONDD.jpg)

That right there is one hard to read brand, looks kinda like a D or an O with legs that come down to the edge of the diamond....got me on that one.

Good deal Chris and Mandi.  I hope you find the owner and hope you did'nt have to pay too much to bail him out of the dog catchers.  That pound should be fined for not trying to find an owner.....everybody has to be accountable to someone and I for one don't think the animal shelters have about Zero accountability.

Waylon

Chris, that brand is hard to read. If yall take some clippers and shear it really short then you might could make it out a little better.

What we need is a 501 c3 status as a rescue. Rescues can spring dogs from jail when nobody else can. This was ybmc's last day on earth, and we got him out. He would have been on a truck to catch a needle this morning without some quick coordination among a good number of people.

I got my tail chewed last night for trying to explain about branding dogs to the lady who posted his pic. I got a real chewing for branding being cruel and how could I do something so barbaric. I bit my toungue, but the bottom line is that a brand got that dog sprung from certain euthanasia today. Not sure who he is or who he belongs to, but they cared enough to mark him, and we will do our best to get him back where he belongs. I would take 100 arse chewings over branding my dogs if it could potentially cause this many people to try to get him back to me if he were lost.

Cheers
M

What pound was the dog in? Sounds like a phone call/letter writing campaign needs to take place for this one employees personal opinion clouding thier judgment of being able to do their job. Need to sind out who the supervisor is and if in a small town write the /city manager/mayor if in the county then countact the sherriff.

Mandi sent you a pm

Krystal,

The "roadbump" lady does not work for the pound. The pound was a 100% euthanasia rate facility, and this lady is trying to get an adoption campaign going. She is working to get them sprung from jail by rescues or adopted out before they are euthanized. Her opinion of hunting dogs and cattle dogs stems from her typical "rescuer" mentality. Because the rescue that ended up springing him really stuck their necks out (I could not have adopted the dog myself) I have to refrain from telling her what I think of her opinion. I can't do anything to jeopardize the folks who sprung him for us. It was a promise I made.

Cheers
M

Btw, the lady who chewed me out over the brand was awarded the silver medalion by the aspca. Reckon she could stir up a hornets nest we would regret if we riled her too much.

Great job Mandy and Chris hope ya'll find the owners, We need more folks out there that would do the same, again great job!!!W.D..........

  Hey Chris & Mandy,
 That is a great job!  Has the brand been cross referenced to the brands that TDHA has on file?  Another great reason for people to register their brands with TDHA.

Yes, I checked tdha's brand registry this morning. Unfortunately, the brand didn't match up. To make things more difficult, the brand is pretty illegible. Gonna have to shave it to see what it really is. The dog is not a hog dog, I bet he is a cattle dog. I figured that from early on given that his brand is cattle or horse sized, not a dog sized brand.

Got conformation when he kissed my sow on the nose this afternoon. He would appear to be horse broke, hog broke, and cat broke.

Cheers
M

Mike - Matt- Chris-  Maybe we could get yall to put a spot on here for owners brands..A lot of peopel brand but don't put regster there brands... But just to help one another out by having there brands some where on here...In a certain spot...  If I can be any help with someone branding there dogs I will do what I can... Thanks and good luck finding his owner...

We could easily make a sticky at the top of this board but I would like to see it used...what do yall think??

That was my thinking too. 

It's there, yall use it.
Matt

Take the dog hunting until you find the owner haha     ;D  jk

There is one slight problem with posting brands and people's contact information. There is up to a $500 penalty for branding an animal with a brand that is not registered to you. I stumbled onto a set of Texas livestock laws on the tscra site. If you have the brand registered in the location it is on your dog, post up. If not, you may want to pay the $15 or so bucks to register it with your county clerk. Your county clerk then has 30 days from the day the brand is registered to send notification of the brand to TSCRA or any other body with power to inspect a brand.

Another tidbit of information I found was that a registered tatoo is legal identification for a dog so long as it is registered with the county clerk just like a brand. It is illegal to transport or possess a dog, goat, sheep, or hog who is wearing a registered tatoo with a maximum penalty of some jail time if I remember correctly.

Cheers
M

That drives me nuts... people go out of they're way to make a brand, tattoo or mark they're animals and don't take the time to go to the clerk's office ??? ??? ???

Was the dog found over by Needville area? There is a guy we see for lunch who owns a line of black mouth cow dogs. I dont know that he brands them, but its worth a shot. Adam, you still got his number?

Dog was found in Humble,Tx   

If you talk to Jimmie Belt again you might want to tell him that a bubba daniels in the nome area used to brand his dogs like that.  I tried to find his number but since moving north I didn"t stay in touch with the ranchers and farmers down there. Tell Jimmie Belt that J. Worthy used to have a dog with that brand also.

kaycee,
    Thanks for the info.  I just got off the phone with Jimmie and he is going to call a couple people in Nome ( Rusty Hall, and others) to see if they know how to get in contact with these men.  Fingers crossed!

Chris,
I wish there were more people willing to do what yall are trying to do in finding the owner of the dog. It wasn't too long ago, that my hunting partner lost a dog. Six months later some young guys show at my house, excited about catching their first pig, with the missing dog in the back of their truck. I asked them were they got it and they explained that they had bought it from a guy that lives a couple of towns over. I had them call the guy and ask him where he had gotten it(on speaker phone). He said he couldn't recall, but funny thing is, he told them when they bought it where he got it from. Needless to say, they were so excited that I didn't have the heart to take the dog back. Not to long ago another guy I know, purchased some dogs from the same guy a couple towns over based on reccomendations from another guy, who had already knew what this fella had done. ;D Didn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but it worked out fine in the end. Yall are proof that there are still some good people out there. ;)

I got really peeved at the mentality of the "rescuer" (not to be confused with the great bunch of folks who actually sprung the dog). She was adamantly opposed to the practice of branding dogs, and mentioned that if the dog wasn't wearing a tag and wasn't chipped that she didn't consider anything else a form of ID. Of course, she was also peeved at me for having the mentality that freeze marking was acceptable for a dog - nevermind that it isn't near as hard on the dogs as say NEUTERING or SPAYING.

At any rate, there are so many variables that can happen when in the woods and there is also a real possibility that a pound or shelter could be called to pick up a hog dog once it has been captured by folks who believe it to be running loose. For this reason, I really am thinking about paying the $10 each to have a couple of my dogs chipped in addition to their brands. I guess you could say that it's a little extra added protection that doesn't cost much. To me, a brand is identification you can't pull or wash off. To do gooding city folks who aren't necessarily keyed into our agricultural lifestyle it just doesn't constitute identification.

My thought is that we should continue freeze marking our dogs because it is a highly visible and outward sign of ownership. However, if the local pound won't call the sheriff to report a branded dog it may be that the chip might someday get your dog home. An extra $10 on my vet bill isn't going to hurt me much.

cheers
m

I agree, most of my dogs are both chipped and freeze branded. if a $10-$35 dollar chip brings back a five hundred dollar dog just once then it's money well spent.

A brand is a legal method of identifying onwership of animals and has been for hundreds of years........Recognized by LAW.  Despite her opinion of it, she is obligated to NOT overlook the brand.  By her ignoring the brand sets her up for negligence.

A paramedic has the responsibilty to respond to all motor vehicle accidents they are called to, and cannot withhold aid to a person because they disagree with the way the person was driving which caused the wreck.

Waylon

Waylon,

I set out to locate the laws that offered protection to branded livestock. Dogs were not mentioned in the brand section, but were mentioned in the tatoo section along with sheep, goats, pigs, and horses. It is illegal to have in your possession a tatooed animal without proof of ownership. Kinda redundant, but it is illegal to transport that animal on texas highways. I was pleased to see that dogs were included in the law, but a talk with a texas and southwestern cattle raisers association legal specialist said that although dogs are mentioned in the law the state does not considder them as livestock. He said that none of the protections apply because the state considders them pets. My question remains. If they are specifically mentioned in the livestock law, why would the protection by branding not apply?

Grrrrr
M

I wonder what we could do to change the law regarding brands and Dogs. This falls into the realm of legally separating hunting/working dogs from pets. I have that on my list of things to do and research for the TDHA.

Paul,

I for one believe that once a dog is branded (and/or wearing a tracking collar) he is no longer a pet. At that point, he should be afforded the same protection as a horse wearing a brand.

Cheers
M

I agree, there is a huge difference between a pet and a working animal. No difference between a horse used to pen cows or pull a wagon and a dog that hunts or drives livestock.