EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

i know this has been discussed before..... many times. i just want some numbers.

***** if you have not established a pack that catches hogs on a regular basis dont vote*****

My opinion of that is either run a whole pack of rough dogs or a pack of loose dogs but not a mixture. I guess it would be ok if you put down alot of dogs but with only running 2 to 4 I would stick with one type or the other.

Not rough at all. I started hunting with rough dogs and never needed a catch dog. Most rough dogs have a short life span and are always cut or injured... unable to hunt. Not my cup of tea any more.

I saw the light and never looked back. ;)

Just to add to my post I perfer dogs that are not rough. I dont like to have dogs laid up.

I feel the same way! I hate to have 2 or3 dogs laid up at a time!

  I have two curs that can keep most any hog bayed up by themselves for as long as it taks to get help to them (cd or 2) that are not rough at all, at the end of the hunt i dont have to deal with cut collrs etc. and have not used a staple gun all year! its conveniant.
  I still enjoy hunting with rough dogs but I dont want to get rid of mine as long as they are doing their job. I think bottom line its all about finesse to keep the hog bayed rough or not but it sure is easy without all the trouble of staples etc.
 

well tx hog i believe u know my answer........

i like them ROUGH!!!!
I seem to catch plenty of hogs, when i do get to go which isn't very often right now.

Rough dogs for me but they gotta be smart and know there limit. Havein hog dogs that won't get rough to me is like havein a retriver that won't get in the water. Just my 2 cents

i dont really know what to call my dogs. my main dogs anyway. they will lay into a hog if it moves but will jump back 10 ft and bay. but i have another dog im not sure if i want to cull or not. shes  a young dog and starting to find some but wont put a tooth on a hog???????

don't get rid of her yet. Keep her espically if she is young, ole hazel will get rough with butcher and houdini, but if i take her with cash or dogs that aren't rough she will step back and bay. U never know she might turn out to be a good dog, i have a few dogs that aren't rough, and i just hunt them by themself.

ya i know :o

Start running that young dog with rough dogs. If it's in her the roughness will come out.  I got one I am prolly gonna sale if she don't start gettin rough. She just likes to nip the back legs no matter what size pig

I use a mixture  of rough and loose and still catch hogs  on a regular basis Ive caught 11 hogs in a day with my dogs where hogs are plentiful the one that got away will always leave you wondering what went wrong To many dogs? or  not  enough, to rough ,to loose .If it stops raining here I may go do some extensive  research ;D

I like my bay dogs to bay, and my catch dogs to catch.  

Not to jack the post, but how many feel that catchy / roughness in dogs is more a result of running them with other like dogs or strickly a result of genetics?

I think that rough dogs blow out alot of bays, there seems to be a fine line between the dog that is just rough enough and the one that is too rough! I hear of all these dogs for sale that will stop a running hog but then back off and bay one they stop.  Well I havent seen any of them, I have only heard of them. I agree with the guy that said if you are going to run a rough dog then run all rough dogs and as has already been said, you better have a large supply of them because you will need replacements. We have a rough dog that bays alot of hogs for us it apears that if it is under 100 he will catch it, if its over two hundred he will bay it, everything in between he blows out and we run it two or three times before we catch it. JMO

this dog will never be rough. its just not in her. she will bay a pig with racing stripes and run next to a hog, barking in its face.

When yall say they are rough do you mean they are like running catchdogs or they will grab one to stop it then bay. I like to walk into a good bay. Thats one of the biggest reasons I like to hunt is to hear and watch the dogs bay. Just aint as nice to walk in the hog already be caught.

I got a dog, im not saying he is the best dog by any means, he is rough and there are a few people that can testify to this from this web site (buddybegone,ghesseltine) i can turn him loose by himself, he can find, stop, bay byhimself until we get there with the cd. If u turn a decently rough dog to him while he is baying it will be caught when you get there. Now grant it, when he was youngier he was cut ALOT, seems with age he don't get cut near as often either.

ur not jacking the thread. it can turn into a dog food arguement and i wont care. i just want the poll votes

starting the night of jan 3rd im gonna do plenty of rough dog research too... also train a "one out dog"

Personally I like a good rough dog.  Have hunted with some that weren't and just wasn't for me.  Don't have very many problems with runners and busted bays here, but who knows...down the road things may change.  I think the most important thing is catching hogs.  When you stop doin that you may need to evaluate your pack again and try somethin different.  Till then catch all you can!!!!!

I plain out love hunting with any dog that wants to hunt and will hunt! If the dog hunts is what my dad always said. Dont let a dog with drive spoil becase hes rough or not rough let em run! Then and only then will you see what a dog is made of, dont give up on your young loose baying dogs, more times then not they just need to catch a few more hogs and they will get rougher, Good hunting boys ,Jason

I have had both types and some inbetween and have come to the grand conclusion that it don't make me no differnce as long as we get most  the hogs we find .  I can promise U no matter what kind of dog are dogs you have on the ground you will not get ever hog that is barked at .

Half a Dozen one way - Half a Dozen the other .

I like dogs that get the job done Ruff , loose are inbetween !

IT MATTERS WHERE U HUNT FOR EXAMPLE SOUTH TX OR DEEP EAST TX ? DO U WANTA RUN HOGS OR CATCH HOGS ? I LIVE IN THE JASPER -HEMPHILL AREA I LIKE MY DOGS TO CHEW THE A$$ END OUTA ONE BUT NOT BE ON THE BUSINESS END. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO STOP HOGS HERE IN DEEP EAST TX. I WENT TO SOUTH TX ONCE ON A HUNT AN HAD A GREAT TIME BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WANT ME THERE ALOT BECAUSE THE HOG POPULATION WILL GO DOWN." I LIKE'EM ALL "DOGS THAT BARK ON TRACK NEED TO BE FAST REAL FAST AN GRITTY. DOGS THAT DON'T BARK ON TRACK BUT PUT TEETH ON A$$ WORK GREAT AND U ONLY NEED ONE. NEEDLESS TO SAY REGULAR LOOSE BAYIN DOGS WORK GREAT IN SOUTH TX BUT NOT HERE.ONE ROUGH ONE LOOSE BAYIN DOG THE HOGS GONNA BREAK AN RUN IT MATTERS HOW U PAIR YOUR DOGS UP. IF YOUR CATCHING HOGS IN EAST TX TRUST ME U GOT SOMETHING. KEEP UM OUTTA BAY PENS HUNT EM ALL THE TIME AN THE DOG WILL TRAIN ITSELF ALL U NEED TO DO IS GET IT INTERESTED AND THE REST WILL FALL INTO PLACE. HUNT HARD AN HAVE FUN! YOU CAN MAKE SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING. "I LIKE'EM ALL" BUT I DO HAVE MY PREFERENCES.

I dont know if deep east texas is any different than northeast Texas but I would never own a dog  that chewed the a$$ end out of hog. None of my dogs or the dogs I hunt with will chew on the rear end of a hog. We still seem to catch a few. If I hunted rough dogs they wouldnt be rearend dogs.

Here's something for y'all to think about... if you had something chewing on your a$$, would you stop or run harder? I'm not talking about about sinking teeth into one and backing up and baying, i'm talking constant pressure. My loose dogs will bite one in the rear to stop it, but then back off. I've seen more busted bays and long races from rough dogs than anything... that's another reason I quit running them and get rid of any I raise that turn out that way.

Where there's bad runners, you always hear... "you gotta have rough dogs to shut them down". Think about where those hogs bay up. In blow downs, root balls, creek banks, caves, etc... The dogs didn't stop the hog there... that hog stopped on his own terms to back up and fight. ;)

my dogs are rough but smart i guess they'll shut a runner down quick then back off till i show up then i can hiss them in to catch  ;)

Im with the rough dogs !! but i also believe a dog can be to rough and hurts yer #'s in the end !!! i have some rangy rough / catch dogs !! some times can be a pain in the a$$ !!! by the time you catch a couple hogs they are slap wore out if they would just back up a bit Like mentioned above would not be goin through so many staple guns and laid up dogs !!! The reason we run these type dogs down here is cause nowadays EVERYONE has a hog dog or 2 or 20 !!!! so you gotta stop em they dont hang around if a dog backs off any!! get some teeth in em and hold em!! JMO!!

I voted for not rought because that is what I own.  I own looser dogs because I enjoy the bay and fewer train wrecks.  This may be a little off topic and could hurt some feeling but I question why a hog ever really stops?  I think that them stopping has alot more to do with them wanting to then anything to do with what a dog is doing.  I have seen hogs stop because a dog nips on ones rear end but by the same token I have seen them run like the wind with a dog hanging off the side of their head and one biting on the a$$.  When they want to run, they run and when they want to stop they stop.  I also don't like the idea of that hog stopping half to three quarters of a mile away and me showing up to find cut down dogs and chewed up hogs. Just my .02

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i like all dogs that can  bay 1 up. I hunt dogs that can bay a big ole boar up in the middle of the woods .Try to run and he's bit in the rear  . Guess i like them rough

I would have to say, I like my dogs rough here in South Texas as you can see.

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I think by readin on here that everyone hunts different and what one person thinks is a rough dog another person does not....  This Poll might have better results with more choices ?? you can take five poodles and if one starts bitting a hog cause its scared the rest could jump in and do the same.....?????
dogs have instincts and do as they see !!!!!  hence the term DOG PILE ???? now ya got rough dogs ????? 5,10,12,15,20 dogs on a hog all bitting it really to me are not rough dogs ?????????????????????

Two dogs maybe three................. depends on the dogs one on each ear and one on a nut sack could be considered rough dogs???? Also i have to disagree with the comment about a hog stops when he wants ??? I would have to say in my situation 9.9 times outa 10 the hog stops cause all he wants to do is get that bitch off his nuts and really has no other choice ???????????  We have so many "Hog hunters" in our area all a hog wants to do is run .... i have seen the change???? years ago you would never run a hog a mile or two... Everything would turn to fight ... now its eff that and run !!! ya gotta stop em quick !!!!!! JMO i like some excitement thats one of the reasons i hog hunt ... I really dont get any excitemnet if there is too many dogs involved ???? Anain these are JMO's and what works for me ?? :)

being rough to me has nothing to do with stopping a hog...It is what the dog does once the hog has stopped.  If the dog won't bay the hog, meaning he keeps pestering the hog until the hog wants to run again, then he is too rough for me.  Now if we are talking about a smaller hog, it will probably be caught by most dogs, but what about the bigger hogs.  I want a dog that backs up a bays on this type of hog, putting only the amount of pressure needed to keep him there.  Too much pressure and you will bust the bay everytime...

I guess thats what i am sayin !!! ???? my dogs do not... will not... bark AT ALL . never, not once ???? no bay.... no running in and thinkin about it... they go right to work !!! and yes i think this is a bad thing and feel i could catch more hogs if i had some bay dogs.. but just dont work that way in our neck of the woods... have to stop em now and waste no time... i do run trackin collars on my dogs cause they range out pretty good??  I guess it all depends on what works for who ?? i just dont have anything for the "dog pile" too many dogs for my style of hunting??? 

we hunt places in the glades where you might never during the whole hunt touch dry ground sometimes ankle deep some times waist deep ??? makes for some tired dogs!! now down there i will put out my blue tick and she will catch up with one we follow in a buggy and when she turns hot we kick off the cat's .. here in the pasture / pines / cypress / palmetters..... all i will runs is my two or three dogs get to em and get it done !!!!

I don't think that I have an answer to your question. I have hunted with some really rough dogs and didn't care for the results much. As a result, I didn't use to think that my dogs were rough.... then I hunted with some dogs that made mine look rough.... I like my dogs, they don't destroy 100lb pigs but get rough when needed and catch plenty of large hogs just the same.

Steve

Steve,

 Are you talking about those dogs that bayed a 40# shoat for an hour or two?  Those are my kinda dogs ;D

How did you know?  ;)

And yes, 40lb shoats are my psudo rough dogs weakness. If they caught one that far away, we would have shown up to a bloody dinner. They literally would have laid down and eaten it ;D

Steve

I like my dogs to catch.  I like to hunt 2-3 dogs at a time. Like Cetchdawg said these hogs run bad around here. I prefer to catch hogs not run them. This is what works for me  8)

I like a strike dog that will put SOME teeth on a hog and try to keep him in place till the calvary gets there, namely my big RCDs. I don't want a 3 hour race, I don't wanna run more than a hundred yards, too old and out of shape for that. I am a firm believer that catchy dogs catch more hogs. Catchy being they can hold a hog till help arrives. Rough, catchy, depends on how you define it. Last week my buddy's 45 pound cross tried to catch a 300 lb boar, he couldn't hold him long enough. Saturday night we caught a 275 boar. One little strike dog and my 85 RCD held onto and fought with the hog for 10 minutes. My dog got cut pretty bad but that is part of his job. Rougher dogs get cut more, looser dogs less. Just from what I have seen of my dogs and others dogs.

I couldn't vote because our best two dogs are polar oppisites. One is rough as a cobb and the other bays loose. They consistantly catch hogs and make a great team. Both will find and bay on their own but work much better together. They have been hunting as a team since we put our pack together. If we are in a situation where we don't want to use a rough dog, then we use the rough dog's sister instead because she bays loose also. She just doesn't have the drive of her brother.

I voted rough...but it comes with an *.......I have owned almost every type of hog and I do like one or two rough dogs, but I like to take a few younger not so rough dogs as well. I have a catch dog to catch with, but I like to know if I get a runner that it will be stopped pretty quick. Having said that......there is NOTHING I hate more than a dog that will let a hog drift and move for a long time to the point where we are a long way from the strike point or the hog slips them altogether.

I know opinions vary from person to person and pack to pack, but this is what I like.  ;D

The video link is a gyp I have (Campbell Cur) whom I like a lot. She will bay hard (though in this video she seems a bit distracted a couple times...lol) but if the hog starts getting active they will get caught. I know this is a smaller hog, but she is that way with bigger hogs too...especially if Maver!ck has one of his Strike dogs with her......  ;D   In the video the "catchdog" was new and didn't catch....and the rest of the dogs were rookies except her.....so I was trying to get the young dogs roused up......it was a fun memorial day hunt with a mostly rookie crew.....  ;D

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=58096013

 ;D  perfect .... short and sweet !!!!

The only time i feel other styles of hunting would work in our area is if you were huntin big ranches all the time  !! and dont have to worry about neighbors ?? most places we have to hunt are wmas.. water districts .. small few hundred acres ..
 places .. LMAO golf courses and airports J/K ????!!!! LOL  :D  We do hunt bigger ranches sometimes but not as offen as i used to 
just too far....


fla cur is that pretty much the same for you !!! ????  or do yall have any lagre tracts to hunt???  When yall dropped of that deer you said you were hunting grant?? do u hog hunt there also???  i know my buddys are all in the same boat as me .....all the big ranches have had bad expeiriences and stop inviting random folks or people with catch dogs.... ??? gotta know someone ??? most places say no bull dogs / catchdogs ??? cause some kids that said they had hog dogs came and found out they had dogs that would catch hogs and cows/calves !!!! ruins it for everyrone...

But now that i am in a better position at work (not as much oncall ) and my son is better (he was born with a few lung/ trachea problems) i am tryin to get some places built back up to hunt???  I have a couple decent spots but they are hit or miss....  kinda sux two years ago it was hard to decide which place to go for the night and now im wantin to get back into the game and dont have many choices..... 

SORRY ABOUT THE DERAIL  :)

I have been hunting Grant for the past 17 years. I also have been hunting a very large orange grove in Holopaw and a large ranch over there also with Gil.