EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Just wanted to see what different styles everyone uses...seems the RCD's and walk-ins are popular.  Anyone have one that will go to a bay?  

Our currs are pretty gritty so if they are baying we know it must be a good one.  Our CD rides until he is needed, he isnt worth a crap for sight hunting but will find one if you let him out to trail there is jus no telling how far or long he is going to go... I couldnt imagine the  RCD route as our dogs wouldnt last and I would think a walk-in dog would be a pain to handle.

We have two "rookies" that are between 8 mo and 1 yr that are just figuring it out, they get to run with the currs until it clicks that baying dog = caught hog and the thick stuff is OK to go in by themselves.  We also work them in an open field to where they sit in the trailer, let the young dogs in training bay it and then turn them out so they get the point to go to a bay... They are going to be used as spares so we arent scrambling for an xtra when Psycho has had a rough weekend.

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I use mine as a lead-in, but he will go to a bay from any distance he can hear it. When he was younger, I would send him from a long ways out, but got smarter after almost loosing him a few times. I like to get as close as possible... he has a great handle so there's no whining and dragging me.

We lead our CD's in to the bay for two simple reasons of 1.) we want to see the bay!!!!! 2.) we like to think we have some sort of control on where the dog enters the bay. But having said that......if we get into a situation where it is too thick to see the bay.... our CD's will without a doubt go to the bay.....they start getting anxious from the 1st bark....... ;D

My cur dogs are pretty rough too (except Spur) so I have never had a bulldog. My old Rock dog was a lead in catchdog at night and a good cowdog during the day. If his sister Dixie bayed, he would go to her as far as he could hear her, as he knew she had a hog. He was straight catch, never barked at a hog in his life and was full cow bred cur.

But we always tried to get as close as we could to the bay before we turned him loose. Thats how he lived to retire......

It is so thick where we are that the chance of actually seeing them back baying is slim to none unless there happens to be an open field and he has to be healthy to make them bay as two of them together is no need for the CD - he is typically only used in the thick stuff and that is only time to time.

We are lucky enough to be able to drive from block to block so we typically get within a few hundred yards of where they are at and throw the door open, he is there with out a doubt and the guys are right behind him.

We also run a vest on him, he was cut down back in October that got him and a few others...we have had a rough time with bull dogs in the last few years.  We used to keep only one but it is such a pain to start over so we have a few extras that we are gonna rotate if need be.

We rarely got to see the bay as usually the hog was in palmettos or a thick briar patch. But we would get as close to the bay as we could, then go right in behind Rock and get the hog off his feet as quick as we could.

We once caught 43 BOAR hogs with just Dixie as a bay dog and Rock as a lead in catchdog in one two week period.....thats a lot of catching!

you were definately busy! :o  we used to catch between 10 and 15 a weekend until others started running them and then calling their dogs off...now they will run the pads off one if he doesnt have the go to keep up. We typically catch 3-5 a weekend and then sometimes we go home empty handed. 

I think I am just more partial to the CDs and the hubby is partial to the bay dogs.

We havent been in a few weeks but are going tomorrow day/night and then sunday morning so hopefully we wont come back empty handed...it has been too cold the last few weeks, the last time we went out was over new years - I dont think the dogs have had this long of a break in a few years... lol...

I wanted to ask - are the game wardens bad about the "hog requisites" up your way?  they  have been on a roll down here in the last few weeks writing tickets as fast as they can stroke them out.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN ?      WHAT IS "HOG REQUISITES" ???

l lead my cd's in close as i can get em dont like for them to have to be caught no longer yhan they have to, got one drowned one night a couple of years back. cause i turned him loose near a tank i didnt know was there. like to see what im about to get into.

i have a catdo that a lead to some bays but there are a couple places i hunt that i send him in from 400-1000 yards because the hogs are bad about breaking when u try to get close he works for me but i got 2 full blood dogos that i am going to put in the woods in the next month as rcds

Wouldnt a RCD defeat the purpose of being there when they are baying?  I know sometimes we have to go a mile or more to get to the dogs and in that time they have had some serious damage done on their own within a few hundred yards.

I haven't had any trouble with Game Wardens , at least so far. Most in this area know me, and since I have never had so much as a speeding ticket in my life, they don't usually mess with me. Every now and then we will get a "newbie" out of the academy or new to the area and they act like they want to impress everyone to start with. It really doesn't bother me much because A) I wouldn't want their job and B) they can check me all they want as I am not going to do anything I shouldn't.

I even had two Game Wardens that used to bring their sons hunting with me at the ranch, that definately helped relations with the local FWC.

It also slowed the poachers waayyy down. Not many wanted to get caught poaching the Game Wardens hunting spot! Would not be good......

I don't know about down there, but up here the hog population has declined. Seems every kid has a bulldog in the back of the truck and ride the roads looking at pastures for hogs. Plus, lots of woods/farms have been put into houses and there are just more hog hunters ( and wanna be hog hunters) than ever before.

And like you said many with sorry dogs are just teaching the hogs bad habits. You better have a dog with some bite or you will never stop a lot of these hogs.

A cowboy friend of mine ran one of the dogs from my litter. He hunts on mule back and sent her into the bay by pointing or by command.

my catch dogs can be led in , we always want to be there for help so we dont let them go until were close , they wear gaurdian kevlars so there protected very well , we also hunt on mules & horses , the catch dogs just hang with the horses until they here a bay & there off , this takes more handle from a dog, I always put a shock collar on them when hunted this way, & it always seem to take longer to get there to help your dogs

Our curdogs are rank. Two of them together will catch any hog they get stopped  8)   No need to carry a catch dog.

Sounds like you already have a couple catchdogs there! :laugh:

Wow that is a lot of hogs.....sounds like some good times.......  ;D

I must not understand the original post. Any cd that rides the wheeler, or walks with us on a leash, (does not run with the curs) is considered a lead in cd with me and my hunting freinds. Any cd that has been on a hunt or two that i have ever seen will go to any bay it can hear if we let it. I think your style of cd is no different than what I consider a lead in cd except your hunting on a wheeler instead of foot.?.? .02 Correct me if I am wrong.

If they wouldnt go to bay that they could hear from ANY distance I wouldnt consider them a very good catchdog.

a catch dog that wont go to the bay on his own aint worth haveing a real catch dog dont have to be lead to the bay they will be ther waiting on ya makeing it real

Our CD rides in the hog trailer until (if) he is needed and when the time comes we turn him out of the trailer to go straight to the bay on his own with the guys following; he may have to hold it a few minutes before they can get to him and after the hog is thrown he is expected to go back to the trailer/truck on his own with out a leash while they drag it out.

He doesnt run with the curr dogs but will from time to time sneak off and catch his own or we may put him on one that creeps out of the cane while the others are hunting but that is rare.

Was just curious if  anyone else did it this way.

some times i run my catch dogs on the ground with my strike dogs but my catch dogs work out of a dog box as well when i road hunt out of the truck

Yes i think its fair to say thats pretty normal, except that yours loads himself up, and I would consider yours a lead in cd. I perfer to get close and cut the cd loose but probably 60% of the time we cut them loose from 2-800 yards away and they catch for a min. or four before we get there. Congrats on having such a good handle on yours.... meaning he goes and loads up after his job is done by himself, most of ours just bark. Whoever isnt dealing with the hog just puts our bulldogs on a lead until we get back to the wheeler etc.

here at HogBiz we use an American Boar Terrier , just our line of CD ...  i used Maijor as a RCD somtimes or a lead in .. he will go to the bay as long as he can hear it ... we have line bred for big game hunting only , our dogs have good temperment with dogs , livestock and humans .... this line has a hard mouth "bone crushing" stoppin power ..  the brood stock is proven and hunted in south Louisiana , we have a few pups in Texas and Mississippi that will start this year .. the foundation dogs are large , but i'm seeing the offspring come med. 50-60lbs. with more wind, speed and that hard mouth .. check out our site www.americanboarterrier.com tell me what you think .. not many people breeding for the perfect CD , we're just raising the bar on tomorrows CD !!

These are some kind words from a Hog Dogger after making a hunt with him .

I have hunted with Jughead's big male, "Major", this dog is a gentleman and a warrior.

Jug calls the line "American Boar Terriers (ABTs)."  At first, I tried to ridicule him for over-promoting what was at first glance just another darned pit bull.  There is so much of that dog-jockey crap going on these days.  I figured whoa-boy, another dog con-artist in the making!


Boy was I wrong!  The proof was found after a long day of hunting, a death march with bay dogs coming in and out of the brush in Major's face all day long, some of my yearling male jagdterriers actually jumping all over him wanting to play and then the pack finally catching a nice hog after a long chase.  His ABT Major is better than 90% of the catch dogs I have hunted with over the last three decades and these ABTs are everything he says they are.  That male ABT Major was bumping into my jagdterriers and curs (males and females) all day long and there were no issues.  On the hog, he found himself a spot without taking out one of the little dogs and its was a done deal.  I am very impressed by the handle he has on that dog, its tolerance for other dogs and its sheer power at the catch.

Here is a photo of that big male American Boar Terrier, "Major" sitting next to my cranky growly little jagdterrier on my dog box.  He reminds me of those good dual registered AKC/UKC Am Staffs of the 70's only he has more head and neck (e.g., bite)power.

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American Boar Terrier , Landry's Apollo

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Preparing

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Apollo is only one of the many CDP's = "Catch Dog Pups"  we have produced here at Hog Biz !!

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After his first Hog

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