EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Im new to hog hunting with dogs. I have talked to several hunters and they told me to go hunt with someone that knows.
I have now hunted with a older man for the last 2 months more less helping him with whatever he needs.
My Question is I like the style he hunting off 4 wheelers and riding ATV's.
He has several properties that are around 300 to 400 acres.
He just drives around the edge of the woods and his dogs hunt in front of us about 100 yrs or so going in and out of the woods on short runs.
When we get on a good trail they will leave out.
Is this the way most guys hunt or should the lead dogs be hunting out futher to cover more of the center of the 300 acre tracts?
I am getting ready to start buying some dogs and I want to make sure I get a good dog So if this is standard hunting of most dogs I won't be looking for something not available.
Any info would be greatly appreciated.

If your going to be hunting small places like that I would stick with short range dogs.

I will be hunting several large ranches smallest being around 3000 acres that my family owns.

I would probably look for some dogs with a little more range. Dont know what kind of country your hunting. I would look for dogs that hunt the woods and not just run the roads. You may want to find someone hunting some bigger properties with some longer range dogs or let someone who has some longer range dogs come hunt with you on your places. I bet it wouldnt be hard to find someone that would come out. ;D

we can bring our dogs and come hunt with you if u want heres my number  936 -446-6075

Back to the Question Are there dogs that will get out and hunt deeper in the woods or is the dogs I described in the post kind of the norm?

None of our properties have ever been hunted with dogs.
I would like to find someone intrested in helping me find a couple of good dogs and then When you bring your dogs for me to buy we can hunt these places.

We did ariel surey last Sept and we had over 200 pigs in one pasture 4500 acres, We have around 22,000 acres that can be hunted. So I don't think its going to be any trouble finding pigs.

Yes there are dogs that hunt out farther than the ones you described.

if they are good dogs they are covering the whole place hunting the way the oldman  showed ya they cover lots of area with that nose if its a good one

This man I've hunted with uses redbone hounds and curs.
The two redbones find most of the pigs we have caught.
What breed of dogs would suggest me staying with?
What would be a reasonable price to give for a good lead dog?
What would be a fare price for just dogs to help out in the catch?

you should beable to get ya a good going strike dog for 500-800 and a couple started help dogs for 300 - 400 i use bmcs and catahoulas

stick with BMC's

What makes them better?
Im very new and I really don't know.
This is why im here gathering info.

bmc are good strike dogs the got good nose and lots of heart  most of them turn in to good dogs if ya work them right

Anything someone tells you on which is the best dog in only an opinion and nothing more!

and that what he ask for an opinion

like you said hunting on the place you described, you can use just about any kind of dog and catch lots of hogs..

 however if you want a good solid dog i would find a med. range silent cur to start out with , if the dog has a good nose and is hunted properly ( into the wind ) it can cover alot of ground with its nose like bayrat said.

  i prefer a BMC but every guy you talk to will have a different opinion.

 price:  thats what ever you feel like paying.      i have given guys dogs like that and then it could cost you $2000

 help dogs are a dime a dozen , mostly free to 100

  just remember any dog is going to show good in those conditions,,,,  good luck..

I would'nt mind paying $1000 to $2000 for a good one.

the pm's should start rolling in now  ;D

just be careful ..

What is the proper or standard buying procedure when trying a dog I would be intrested in buying?

always get a 2 week trial on a strike dog or bay dog  try to pic the dog up at there house so ya know where to go and get your money back if its a pot licker becareful 

NO offense man but if you still got all these questions I would say your not ready to own a set of dogs. I ain't tryin to be a dickey.    Just my opinion which don't mean chit. To alot of peole but I have been where u are

first thing i would do is find out as much about the guy trying to sell you the dog as possible ( references) .

dogs like that arent sold very often, so you will have to wait on the right dog to come along..

it better be a hell of a dog for $2000 dont let anydody rip ya off becouse you dont know what ya getting get the old man ya hunt with or some body that knows what a hog dog is and whats not lots of people sale dogs  for way more then its worth ive had some real good dogs and only one id say was worth $2000 so dont get in a rush and get took

Your probably correct about me not be ready to own dogs.
But the way I look at is I can afford it and im going to jump in with both feet if I make a few mistakes along the way O well I've spent alot more money on alot of things that I did'nt have as much fun doing.

This is all really good adise and I really appreciate it.
Keep it coming Im getting smarter by the min.

Sayin stuff like that every. Dog jockey.  On here gonna sale u the best dog theygot that they don't wanna sale but will to. U.       Long story short  junky dogs headed ur. It takes along time to put together a  a good set of dogs I ain't talkin months talkin years no one will ever sale there best dogs    I have had most my luck rasein them from.  Pups

first off let me back up and say welcome to ETHD , this is the best place to gain knowledge about hogdogging anywhere !!

 i can see you have already been bitten by the hog dogging bug  ;D
 trust me there is no cure, i hope you have an understanding wife or family.

i have been hog dogging for 15 yrs, there are alot of guys on here been hunting alot longer than me and alot of guys with better advice.

but ill be glad to help when i can.

you need to get some one to help ya get a pack together or you gonna have a yard full of dogs that couldnt catch  nothing

There will be alot more guys selling pot lickers than guys having good dogs for sale.
If you can try the dogs in the area you will be hunting and then if you like the way the dog hunts ask for a trial 2 or 3 week trial.
If they won't give you the time to atleast hunt the dog a couple of times then Its your decision on taking their word for it. Most folks word is not worth anything anymore.
If the seller is rushing you,offering more than they should,promissing alot,won't give trial, they are hiding something beware
If it sounds to good to be true most of the time it is.

If you ever get up in the Wharton area give me a call My dogs are not for sale but we hunt like your friend does  but our dogs hunt deeper and I have several diff breeds you can watch hunt.
Free hunt just bring your rubber boots.

I ain't tryin to be rude. Or discurage anyone  or prented I know every thing

hey southtexas,,,,,,        i got rubber boots  ,  what about me ;D

First mistake is tellin someone that your willing to pay that kind of money for somethin you dont seem to understand.
I would research different breeds and their styles of huntin.
Bark on trail, long range, short range or med range, their are differnet characteristics you should look for depending on the property your runnin. 300 acres tract are small, sayin that you really dont want a long range dog. Just somethin like what that gentlemen runs seems right.
Plotts,cat,bmc,cur cross/pit, the list goes on their are plenty of dogs with diff. styles available.
Just my opinion.

most every body has bought a potlicker or two it dont make it right to take advantage of a new comer but they will  if ya let them your best bet is to buy some dogs from your friends ya hunt with to start with  or get a young  dog and train it up with your buddys the dog fever will get costly on the pocket book no matter how much ya got to spend

Come on I'll trade out with ya Craig

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well im sure if ya just want to buy some dog some body is going to sale ya some your chances are 50/50 at best

I would like to buy a good strike dog now.

must not be any good ones nobody trying to sale him any

Hey Craig they have hogs in OK?  LOL

its a nation wide epidemic havent you heard  ;D

Well it will be hard to find a good strike dog this time of year!!! You might have better luck near summser time to deer season when people are slowing down on hunting!!! I talk to atleast one person a week looking to buy strike dogs!!!!! Not saying they ain't one out there!! If you go to just buying dogs you will pay for your education quick!!! But I thank you have done more homework than most have that has got into hunting!! Just becarful!!

Craig,
You aint wrong there.
Everwhere you go theres  a hog problem.
Back about 10 yrs ago My friend from Tishamingo talked me into bringing my Dogs and my Airboat up to the Red river and doing a little dogging.
We had a great trip and caught a bunch of pork along with some nice stripers.

now that would be the way to hunt that country for shure..

Surely this isnt a serious thread. The guy registered his account today at 6:45pm and is making comments like that.

Every thread seems a little extreme....

maybe the fella is just trying to get advice and a pack together and didn't want to beat around the bush

I did just register to this fourm.
I just found out about it on Saturday when I was hunting with a guy that was going to school down here in Kingsville.
If you read the original topic it states that I have been hunting with an old man now for a couple of months now and have been gathering as much info on this sport.
I try not to be the dumbest dude around So I gather as much knowledge as I can at whatever I decide to do.
I wanted to start Offshore fishing I went 3 times with a captain and ordered my new 38' Center Console Donzi
I wanted to start Bowhunting I bought the best Eq available.
When I wanted to start Bowfishing I went with a guy from Corpus Christi a few time in his fan boat,Soon after I ordered a new Diamondback airboat.
And off I went.
So this sport is no different I will dive in as I always do.

 Personally I think someone is blowin smoke up something around here!!
 If you got all that cash why dont you just buy a couple of guys whole packs and pick the best of the best.

 This dude is for real. I know his Mom & Dad. They own 2 highrise office building downtown Houston.
Take my word for it Money is the last thing they are worried about.
His dad called me about some dogs, He wants to get him started hunting to keep him out of trouble.
Everything this kid has posted is 100%.
What take the rest of us years to acheive, He will be able to do in just a few weeks.

About buying someone whole pack.
This is just what the Dad wants to do.
He does'nt hae any dogs but Dad already bought 2007 Toyota P/U ,2009 Polaris Ranger Crew,Garmin Tracking system and 10 DC 30 collars,
New 36' Gooseneck,already started building 50' by 100' indoor kennels.
And the boy has no dogs!!!

trahan welcome to the board..i don't know you so i won't say you are blowing smoke up anything..i would say just cause you have the cash doesn't mean you need to spend it foolishly.

if i were you i would get a garmin system first. i'd hunt with some people on different properties to test their dogs out. if you see something you really like(put them on the garmin and see which one covers the most ground and which one is out front). if you really like that dog. i would hunt with it a few more times and if it is still the one covering the most ground and leading the pack i would try to buy it.

dogs are different than buying hunting equip. most hunting equip will do what you ask it to do, dogs are different. they have minds so they don't always do what you want them to do. if i pay 40K for a corvette i'm pretty sure it will roast up most 10K sport cars. you can buy a 2K dog and my free gyp very well will out strike, out bay, and out stop your 2K dog(not saying she will but she very well could). in your mind you have now lost 2K on a dog that if you had just waited you would be more happy with.

there will be a lot of pms coming your way selling you dogs, some of them will be really good dogs some will be straight junk. i think it is a bad idea to say "i have the money i don't mind blowing it." even the really wealthy make educated choices. if i were you i would take one of these really experience dog men with you when you are testing out a dog to potentially buy and let them tell you whether you should spend your money on that dog. that way you have an unbiased experience opinion on the dog. get someone that doesn't know you from adam so there is no personal stock involved. if i had the cash that is what i would do...

with all that land if you ever want someone to run with you give me a buzz. i'm not selling you any of my dogs i just like hunting different areas to test my dogs, so if you would like to make a run holler at me.

if you want some names of some people who i think are good honest people that can help you evaluate a dog pm me and i will point you in their direction.

again welcome and i look forward to hearing your stories and maybe getting together for a hunt!!!

i also think you should get some experienced doggers with you to show you the ropes. you can get some damn good dogs and YOU can screw them up cause YOU don't know what you're doing. sending the catchdog too far out, pushing the dogs past sign, etc. i've been where have just a few short years ago, i know a lot of pitfalls young guys make...hell i still make some mistakes..good luck to you.

Thanks,
 This is what I was originally looking for when I signed on to this site.
I only post that I can afford the dogs to let sellers know Im not waisting anyones time.
I have worked out with a couple guys on here to help me look at new potential dogs.
Southtexas dogger has contacted me and is willing to help me get started without wanting any money.
He told me upfront he did not need the money and I could not buy any of his dogs.
He was recommended by the old man I started with.
So I will go from here.
Thanks for all the positive post here.

If you are interested in financing a good Cur dog breeding program.  I can find the dogs to start it with if you are willing to buy them.   ;D

No seriously, this is a good place to learn and get ideas but like others have said you are going to get opinions and not necessarily facts.  Just do some reading and take it with a grain of salt.  If you read about a certain kind of dog and want to know more go up in he right hand corner at the search type it in and old post on the same subject will show up.  You can do the same for specific people, if you think you might like the way they hunt, search thier name and read thier old posts to learn more about the way they do it.

I would start with a good Cur dog of some kind.  Black mouth Cur, Catahoula, Lacy dog, or just a Common Cur, or cross of any of the above.  They are the best for the job in my opinion.

Waylon

I found someone selling out in GA, its a good deal for 3000


http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=483606 (http://forum.gon.com/showthread.php?t=483606)

Robert
Welcome to the board.  My suggestion to you is to find some one that might have the type dogs you want and go hunting with them a few times to see the dogs hunt and then decide what you like or don't like.
I have people calling every week looking for dogs and after I listen to them I know I don't have what they are looking for and try to send them in the direction that might be helpful to them.
I hunt a lot of dogs for other people and some times run across a good one that might be for sale.
If your out west of Houston let me know because working dogs every day and always enjoy the visit.

Buy from some one that thinks enough of his dogs to be willing to take them back if they don't suite you.  I've seen some dogs just hunt different with different people.
Good luck.

Thanks,

 I will stay in touch on raising dogs.
Our kennels are being built now. Should have room for around 30 dogs.
I would like to have a good team of dogs probably 7 to 10 now.
My dad and I talked about raising some later on thats why he built the kennels so big.
And I thinks you are correct about hunting with several diff dogs before I pull the trigger on some dogs that might be trash.
When I called Southtexas dogger last night this was the 1st thing he suggested was to not get in any hurry.
He said I can have all the money in the world and have 30 dogs that wont catch hogs.
Or I can have 7 to 10 dogs that will get the job done.
He also told me money was no issue for him either and he has been hunting hogs for over 20 yrs and still trying to put that perfect team of dogs together.

Mr.Mason.

  I've heard good things about you from here.
If you do find a dog that will work for me let me know asap.
I would like to see your bay pen.
The old man I hunted with told me I needed to build one and you had a nice one to see.
I come to Houston several times a month with my dad.
I could come by your place.

If your ever down here around Corpus let me know. I have a 100 acre pen that we train dogs in and I can show you the difference in some of the types of dogs such as the ones being silent and the ones being open. That way you can decide what is the best for you. You can ask Mr. Tanner about us and some of the others on here as we try to help others get started to promote this great sport of ours.  Thanks Glenn

I have only been hunting with my own dogs for a couple of years now. I read what everyone on here has to say. I don't reply very much. All I can say is there are some of people on here that will be more than willing to sell you there worst dog and telling you it's their best. I know from experiance. Unlike you I didn't  find out who the best people to talk to where. I hunted with people for a year or so and decided I wanted some dogs. My buddies didn't have any pups and wouldn't sell any of there dogs. I bought a dog that was supposed to be finished and was a long way from being that. My best dog is a brindal BMC gyp and she was given to me. I don't know how old you are but I am 25 and like you when I want to start doing something I jump in, most of the time up to my neck. I have to have the best equipment that is avalible at that time. All I am trying to say is take your time and find the right dogs for you, and remember you don't have to pay top dollar for a good dog.

 

Im going to let the boy take 1 older strike dog I don't hunt much anymore and a couple help dog and a 3rd string catch dog to get started.All I asked him if one gets killed replace him.
No strings attached when he finds some dogs he can give mine back.
This will let him atleast get started during prime hunting season.
And will give him some knowledge of what he likes and dislikes.
Im trying to support our fun.
We need people like this to stand behind us.
Just remember guy and gals we were all here at one point.

Southtexasdogger,  I'm glad to see that there are people out there like you. You are right, we've all been in his place before. From my experience, people don't sell their " good " dogs. I know that I wouldn't. All the best dogs I've seen were free, but it takes time to build a pack. Rthrahan, best of luck to ya, and welcome to the most addictive sport around.

Southtexasdogger you are one hell of a guy for helping that guy like you are,I honestly dont know anyone that would do what you are doing for this young man.This sport needs more people  like you.Another thing I really like is that you ruined a bunch of dog jockeys day >:D,I bet they were chomping at the bit to steal that guys moneys.

Thats what I was trying to do.
Id rather take a whippin then be lied to.
Especially when a seller stands there face to face with you and lies about some pure BS.
This is whats happen to this sport.
Honest people expect to be told the truth.
The others expect to be lied to because they lie themselves.
I've rodeoed my whole life until a couple years ago.
I have sold several real nice team roping horse for alot of money($25,000+)
We give these buyers 30day trial if they don't like them bring them back no questions asked.
These dog jocky's out there most of them are selling dogs to pay the bills.
Once the money is exchanged hands Its spent, even if you tryed to return the dog they don't have the money any longer So your not ever getting it back.
Honesty will always be a bond.

Get em Dogger,I love it!

first off great thing you did there dogger

next ? im not tellin you how to do things but why some many kennels do you plan on hunting that many dogs im just wondering cause thats alot of dogs to be hunted regulary im just curious ??? cause if you hunt that much i want your schedule  ;D ;D

He told me they were going to raise some dogs later on.

you're a good man dogger...if i had more dogs i wouldn't mind doing the same..i actually was going to let my buddy use my older gyp to his younger dogs ranging out further..trahan i'll extend my hand if you would like to come out to my spot for a run pm me we can make a day of it..always looking for people to run with.

it never hurts to help the young doggers out when they are getting started   if ya got the extra dogs

If we all helped each other instead of trying to cut each others throats.
Just think how good it could be for everyone.
When I started 20 yrs ago An old timer took me under his wing and showed me the sport.
When I thought I new everything he brought me back down to earth.
When I bought dogs he was there along my side ( sometimes I wish he was'nt) But it kept me from making alot of costly mistakes.
Don't take me wrong I took my far share believe me.
He always told me never believe anyone that is broke. They will lie to their own mothers to sell something.
Not saying everyone thats broke is a crook,Im saying there is more broke crooks than wealthy ones.
The best dogs I've ever bought or owned were dogs that other poeple hunted and did not like for some reason or another.
I would like the same for this guy. To look back and say 20 yrs ago etc................

you sure right there some old timers helped me out and got me going  if ya dont help the young ones whos going to do it after we are gone becouse we will never kill them all