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Had a kid ask me why a dog that yipped on track be worth $400 started to get riled up but figured it would turn into a good topic.  What do most of you think here.

If he can find and bay hogs, and the person buying the dog does not mind yipping on track, I say go for it.... In the past I have gotten rid of some decent dogs because they were not 100% silent. Nowadays, I am more likely to look at the total package, and a dog might get a pass if it yips a little. ;)

my main strike dog is silent on track, but will yip when a hog breaks and he is right behind it, but that helps me keep up with what direction they are heading in, so i dont mind it.  ;)

Its a personal preference, I prefer a totally silent dog. Although there have been a few (very few) oppertunities that a dog that would yip, would give you a clue as to the direction they were headed when they broke before I had the Garmin.

Top 3 Reasons I don't like a dog that yips on track-
#1 lets everybody know they are coming including the hogs, gives dog smart hogs a head start
#2 might/has pulled another dog off a track/scent that it is trying to work out
#3 A dog that is young and goes to a dog yipping on some scent, that pulls the other dogs to it, and the dog is not yet close to the hog, those other dogs learn to not honor that dog

A little yiping on a track doesnt bother if he makes up for that small fault in other areas.I do like dogs to be silent but a little yiping doesnt bother  me like a  fully open mouthed dog.I have a pup that has run silent for a year and a half and started yiping on tracks this weekend at Glenn Husseltines place.

I prefer it, it helops to know which way your dogs are going int these mtns. I would give $400 for an old mouthy dog, as long as it could find, and stop a hog.

I have always ran hound crosses that would run silent.  In the past couple of years I have acquired a bmc and a redbone bmc cross that will give mouth on a hot track. I also have a few young dogs I am bringing up this year.  I have found that a dog that barks on track or yips when things get hot actually help my young dogs get going quicker and gets them to were there is something that they can pick up and run with.  In the past my older silent dogs woudl go hunting only for my young dogs to get out ran or loose interest. ( not all the time but mroe times than not)  I am not advocating for a babbling idiot that opens and never produces pork.  So IN MY OPINION one that yips on track does no damage to a young dog AS LONG as the dog is about to be looking at pork.  My only question is this - if a hog is going to run when a dog opens up wouldn't they run if they hear people talking or four wheelers riding around, or smell us walking through the woods? I am for both silent and somewhat open dogs.  Did not mean to get on my soap box.  

Ag Teach, I said it is personal preference and those are my beliefs as to what I have experienced. I will say that I can walk right up on hogs in some situations that never move, humans and 4 wheelers and cars are something they are acustomed to going by them all the time and are not a threat, because 4-wheeler and humans don't chase or bite the hogs, usually don't even see a bedded still hog. Let  a barking dog walk/run up to a hog and the hog will go to chompin and feel threatned and get in a defensive position, raise its hackles and either sit or stand and walk sideways to threaten a dog.

How many people on hear are standing around waiting and listening for dogs in a spot, then the dog come back to check and bust a hog out right next to where you were standing?

I remember just a few days ago a discussion about Mike striking a hog in a very small clump of brush they had been standing next to talking and visiting on their bikes/ATVs. I have seen this happen several times with my own eyes. I am saying "dog smart hogs" will run ahead of yipping dogs, a dog with enough bottom may stick and put the bay at the end, however many miles that may take.

There are some hogs that don't run, stay bedded & bayed, but those are ones that are not smart to dogs.

I don't think anyone who has posted has done any wrong. All I wanted to do was educated this kid who believes silent is better than open or yipping. Yellow vs black or anyother color. Breed vs. whatever they have a calling. I don't believe one is better than the other but in situations a person must make the right choice.

After hunting silent closed ranged dogs for years and then adding trail barking hounds to the mix I can say from expirence that on low game propertys you will cover more ground on average with open dogs but I dont seem to be loosing those runners as much as I yoused to , my hounds stick with the runners and their loud barks keep my silent dogs right on their heels.I still dont catch every pig out their but I do beleive my hounds help in my situation. As far as high game I love hunting my hounds, they can run all night and I like being able to hear the race unfold. I like to youse one walker on the ground untill he strikes and then we drop the reserves and head in with catch dogs, seems to be working for me.

I like silent dogs for no other reason than I don't like to be teased, I want to know when I hear a bark that my dog is looking at a standing hog.  I will say this about open dogs, I have never seen an exceptional dog that was open that the owner didn't wish was silent and I have never seen an exceptional silent dog that the owner wished was open.  It is a trait that most people consider undesireable no matter how you dress it up.

I can't argue with that statement... ;)

Matt you couldnt have said that any better,it would take some big money to buy the Cat I have in the classifieds if he were silent.He is one of the best strike dogs I have ever seen but will blast the acorns off the trees when he hits a track.I just cant handle that.

No doubt about it , trail barking is a "undesirable" trait for hog hunting. I know my hounds are stringing me out all over, but like I said I would rather stay with a runner then loose him every time he breaks out away from the curs, they can run but they cant hide!

Ugly Dog, I was not trying to argue with you.  I have always been the guy who absolutely hated open mouth dogs.  With this said I also was basing my knowledge on two open mouth dogs that never actually produced a pig.  This is where I made my decision. Since then I own and have hunted semi and open mouth dogs.  I have not seen a decline in the number of pigs we catch.  My buddy and I were talking last weekend during a hunt and wondered how many running hogs did our silent dogs chase and us saying to ourselves "Man ol' dan sure is hunting deep tonight."  We have places here that the best thing to do is turn catchdogs loose in order to catch hogs and other places that pigs just stand there.  But you are right it is all personal preference.  

Like I said before, trail barking might be "undesireable" for some or most hog hunters but not to all. I desire it, not that i am against a silent dog, but if you fellers brought them close range, silent dogs up here, you aint gonna catch nothin but a cold or a cramp. we dont have many roads at all, and it is straight up and down and thick. even if you strike a hog with silent dogs and they trail across a ridge and get bayed out of hearing you aint gonna find them, cause you got ridges on each side and you dont know which one to go up to get to where you can hear and if you pick the wrong one you are another hour or more to the bay "if" the dogs are still there. SO it pays to have an open mouth, medium or more range, and can run a track that is a couple hrs old.
 UNLESS you have a Garmin, "I dont". IT boils down to a couple of things, MOSTLY in MY OPINION personal preference, terrain, the people you hunt with, they way you hunt, some people dont like to get out of the rd. some people like the chase.
I hunt bear and hogs, and to say that an open mouth dog will push hogs, therefore not catching them because they are too far behind, Well just not true, we turn loose on bear tracks that are 10-12 hrs old or older, and have a very good success rate. sure it may be a long race but that is all the fun of it, it just all boiles down to HOW you prefer to hunt, and how good your dogs are. There is good and bad in all.
P.S. ya'll just send all them rangey, open mouthed dogs up this way. ;D

Couldnt agree with you more hillbilly.....ONE MANS TRASH IS ANOTHER MANS TREASURE. If the drive is to far to get rid of them mouthy pot lickers then bring them to texas.   ;D

Most of the guys on here havent hunted long enough to see a good hog dog.Let alone a good open dog,and a good silent dog.They hear all the big names that post on here alot run down open dogs.Well if ole HollywoodHoghunters says its so it must be so.They can spot a open dog right off the bat,thats one fault some green rookie hunter cant miss.Bam,he dont like that open dog. rolleyes    I argue about how good a silent dog is to all the hound guys.So dont think that I am for one or the other.I just cant stand someone that throws out blanket statements about either.Both dogs can catch critters.Dont close your mind to either one.Matt, I have seen some real good open dogs.The men that owned them would have considered them culls,had they been very quiet.

Hillbilly and agteach, I'm with you two. I'll take a dog that yips anyday. To me it makes no difference other than it aggravating my friends, who are firm believers in silent dogs. Send me a pm before culling any yippy dogs.

If you have an open dog that will consistently find hogs, hell I'll buy it for $400!  My preference is a dog that finds hogs

i like closed mouth dogs  my hogs r experienced with dogs  they run at the sound of dogs in any form

I was under the impression that we could put opinions on here so I put mine.  I also put my preference, not to change anyones mind but to simply state what I like.  If there are "big names" among us I would like to know who they are haha. Open works, there is no doubt in my mind that it does, but at the end of the day you feed what you like...But I would agree that you should choose what you like based on what you see over a period of time not what you hear from others!

I can understand back before the technology of a tracking system why you would have a mouthy dog. But now with today's tracking systems, I prefer a silent dog. You will catch more hogs if the one you are catching isn't running in front of a dog barking. My preference is for my dog to bark only on site. Even if he is right behind the dog and starts yelping, then I know the hog is running. But my dogs will shut up and catch up before they start barking again. I don't want to run the other hogs off. If the dogs shut up before they run up on the hogs then you have a better chance of not running the other hogs off and can backtrack where you struck the hog and 99% of the time, catch another one. But if he runs very far your dogs are going to be to tired to run all the way back and catch another one. Just my opinion,Hope no one is affended, if they are I apoligize!

I don't mind a dog that opens after the hog breaks and they're right behind it... lot's of "dead silent" dogs do that. :o By then the race is on so to me it doesn't matter.

What I don't care for is a dog that opens when it hits a track. I've always looked at it like this... you turn a dog loose at daylight and the hog is bedded say 1/4 mile away. The silent dogs trail him up to his bed and the open dogs are going to let the hog know they're on the way. I've bayed and caught plenty of hogs this way, right in their beds. That's how i've always looked at it... and yes, i've hunted with several wide open dogs over the years.

 ??? So out of the 1729 members scattered across numerous states, how many of them do you know that have hunted long enough to see a good dog?
In my opinion we are just like our dogs, there is no "TRUE" finished hog dog or hog hunter. There is always something new to learn and a better way of doing things. How do you train young dogs? You send them with the older dogs that know what they are doing to learn from them. Same way with new hunters, they are going to base most of their opinions and decisions on what the " Big Names" on here do, because evidently, most of them have been doing this long enough to halfway know what they are talking about. :D

I think that ALL of us posting are hard headed and are going to do what we want to.  Opinions are great just dont try to push yours on someone else.  Its a discussion not a trial to see who is right and who is wrong.  I do think that most people that you hear talk down on open mouth dogs on here or elsewhere have never hunted with a GOOD open mouth dog. They are speculating......but i guess I am to by making this statement. >:D

Randy, i think we all know that you are speculating, especially if you are talking about any of YOUR dogs!  :D
You would have to come hunt with me before you can say you hunted with a GOOD dog!  :o    >:D

( Just Kidding!! I know my dogs are FAR from being what i would call GOOD dogs  ;D )

I for one know that everyone I hunt with has never owned an open dog or really gave them a chance.  They hear that silent dogs are better and I believe this persuades there judgement without them ever giving anything else a chance. JMI

Adios

here n okla wher i hunt not alot of hogs.i hunt mostly hounds but have a hound rite now that is slient and i luv him dont bark till bayed.i have had him trail hogs up to a mile an bay them n there bed. i can bay hogs with open dogs or slient. i just  like a hog dog show me a hog at the end i dont care how we got there.but i understand sum of u guys luv for a slient dog.i mite add that i have alot of country  to hunt so it dont matter how long or short a race is.but slient or open just show me the hog n ill feed it.we mite ride 10 to 25 miles a day just to bay one hog so we need a dog with a good nose to trail or work thru old sign thats the main reason i hunt hounds plus i use my dogs on bear.

look im the "kid" that asked why the dog was worth 400 i did not mean it in any bad way i was juat asking why this guy thinks his dog that yips is worth 400. I  dont like a dog that yips, i understand if they are bayed and the hog brakes and they bark one or two time thats fine but i dont want a dog that hits a fresh trail and goes to barking i did not mean to cross this man or anyone on this board over asking why the dog was worth 400 sorry to all i might have made mad.

her in upstate sc. silent dogs are harder to find i have recently bred some plottxbmcs that are pretty tight mouthed.my strike dog and my buddies are open track.they both find hogs consistantly.these dog backed up the by  cross dogs and a maybe a rcd our longest race was about600yrds most less."in my opinion" if you got mouth you gotta have speed and little bite and it all will come out in the wash. ;D

You didn't make anyone mad made for good learning and good conversation. Bottom line we all like hunting thought I could help you out easily, but that wasn't the case. Oh well no blood no foul. Just thought I would like to know and knew it would come out that some peoples dogs yip on track and lots more after the hog breaks which was the case of this dog. But it never got asked guess thats what I get for being truthful without giving to much information.

 i have a couple of open hounds and the rest of my yard is silent . i do not hunt the open with the silent it just seemed 2 confuse my silent ones . my open dogs do find and bay hogs every time i bring them  but it seems like the hogs run farther with the open hounds opposed to my silent dogs but i hunt alot of open feilds with small thickets here and there .that being said i have sold open dogs b4 to folks that hunt mainly woods and they love them .

Those guys in Florida run alot of open mouthed dogs and they sure catch the hell out of hogs,its just something I cant deal with.

Hmmm. That about sums it up for me!

It aggravates the crap out of me but I have a dog that opens about half the time (depends on the bitch's mood  >:D) that ain't going nowhere. She is not in my "exceptional" category yet and maybe never will be but I really, really like everything else about her. Maybe I can breed it out of her pups ;D.
I have culled a dog for it when I was a lot younger that turned up in the "exceptional" category. I dont want that to happen again.
I think you can and do have hog dogs in the "elite" category that opens, bawls, cries, yips, and screams like a banshee on a track but I still dont like it. It dont mean I wouldnt learn how to live with it for one of those elite dogs though. ;)

If a dog that yips on track can find and stop hogs consistanlty then why not. They better have a ton of bottom and be fast to hang with a hog till he stops. I prefer totally silent dogs but whatever catches the most hogs works for me. I hunt small properties so a silent dog works better but on large properties why not.

1. All game including hogs know that a dog is coming whether it is barking or not. This sneak up theory does not hold water.
2. The problem with this assumption is not the open mouthed dog it is the other dogs in your scenario that lack independence to seek, find , and account for their own game.
3. I am not quite sure what you mean here but if a dog barks and draws his pack mates to him isn't that a good thing? Now if the dog barks at nothing that could cause dogs not to honor it and then that decision is easy.

I find it interesting that I know a man that hunts a big fully open mouthed walker and he catches more than anyone I know. Some of you open mouthed dog bashers should go hunt with him for a few days.

My lead strike dog is open on track but will find the hogs if they are any where around the area, I like hearing her open cause I know it will be just a short time before we get to stick a hog..run a silent BMC with her and he puts the hogs brakes on...I realize the hogs that are constantly dogged get smart but I have seen hogs lay down and let dogs run right by them trailing a few that were still up and moving..As long as it is consistent at finding hogs in the mountains like JohnF's plott Jade and Speck my cat gyp, I will buy them for 400 all day till my money runs out, which by the way is about one dog...oh well

;)

Sign me up! Id love to go and listen to a fully open walker catch more pigs than anyone "you" know.
I may not qualify because I have never bashed open dogs on this board but I have admitted that the ones I've owned and still own aggravate the crap out of me. That should count for something. ;D

Sign me up too!

I haven't seen anyone bashing open dogs... only stating what they prefer and why. And many of those based on many years of experience with both. ;)

 :-X

where and when

Open, Silent...Short Range, Long Range....Loose baying, Catchy.......Any dog that's for sale is only worth what someone else is willing to pay.

Why is it that guys with silent dogs think that every pig they bay was bayed in its bed???   How do you know that your silent dogs have not been chasing the hog that you "eventually" catch.  ( if you catch it)  This Walker Hound being mentioned has bayed as many hogs in their beds  as any silent dogs that I have ran.  I also question the experience level of some that are giving information on this topic.  But this is just my opinion.    ;D
Anonymous Quote:  Just because you are older or have been doing something longer does not mean you know what you are talking about.  I know guys who have been doing this for years who started out with crappy dogs and still have crappy dogs.  

no one knows everything about hunting no one will and im not sayin that a silent dog bays a hog in bed everytime and im not sayin that an silent dog is better i just dont want a open dog everyone has there way to hunt very few if anyone hunts them same we all have our ways and most ppl wont change thats just hunting

If you were never interested in a dog that yips then why even ? what the dog is worth? ???

It's a damn people can't even share what they like and what they've learned without others getting their feelings hurt... thinking they've been "bashed".

Y'all hunt what you want to hunt and makes you happy. ;D

I hunt mostly at night when hogs tend to move generally. So I guess I will never catch one in bed unless it's an old girlfriend. LOL  >:D >:D

HAAAAHAHAA!

Thats it! Between this thread and  "Hounds verses Curs" You guys have me in freaking tears!

Not all hogs get bayed in its bed, I don't see anyone on here saying every hog is bayed up in its bed, open or silent. However there are a few folks on here that actually know how to read sign, read dogs know a few things, and it is not hard to tell what a hog bed looks like, then if a hog is standing in its bed, dogs are baying it , catch dog catches where it stands, then its safe to say it got bayed & caught in its bed. or if it breaks before catching it, but you saw it standing there, then you can see it was in its bed.

It is pretty dern sad that people cannot have a discussion without pulling stuff out of nowhere and trying to make it worth fighting over. If something on here that I have to say bothers somebody, don't read it, simple, but you don't have to get all blown up about it. I ain't argueing, I always make sure This is the way we do something so it, what we like, to try and assure that I am not about to say this is by any means the only way, just what works for us through our experiences, by no means are those experiences limited, just our choice.

Sneek up theory does not hold water huh? thats pretty  interesting to me. So you are saying that all game animals just kNow when someone is coming or only a dog is coming????????? Is it just game animals or exotics too?

Who do you know ? you said some of open dog bashers should go huint with him a few days, so now you put it out there go ahead and finish it,  and Who is bashing open dogs? I guess you are talking about me, since you decided to quote and respond to me. Looks like you got folks willing to see it with their own eyes.

When ever you get good and ready.....bring your BEST and we will make it worth while. How about a little cash wager?

As a matter of fact I am speaking about you. Wild animals do not need to hear a dog barking to know that something is in hot persuit and that is a fact. If that was not the case coyotes would practically wipeout everything in the woods. I just do not agree with your logic as to why you do not like a dog that "yips". You said that the dog that yips pulls other dogs to them and in essence pulls them from tracks that they are running. My problem with that is that every dog a hunter owns should independent enough to seek, run, and catch its own game with no help needed. Thats all. If you want to go hunt with that walker please let me know when you are available and how far you would like to drive.

Open or silent....really??? Who cares as long as we catch hogs. We hunt with curs that are silent unless they are looking at a hog, but to tell you the truth I would hunt with a pink poodle that yodels on track if it finds hogs.  ;D O0 O0 O0

Open, Silent...Short Range, Long Range....Loose baying, Catchy.......Any dog that's for sale is only worth what someone else is willing to pay.
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well put

The only thing I know for sure is that there are two things you should not bet on, your woman and your dogs.  The second you do your woman wont let you go hunting, and your dog wont leave your feet! ;D ;D ;D

UNACCEPTABLE   LOL  JK  LET'S JUST HAVE SOME FUN WITH THIS IT WAS POSTED ALL IN FUN

I have to agree with Buck. Ever seen a nervous herd? How do they know there is a predator close by... do they smell it, hear it, do they see the vague and shadowy movement of the predator stalking ever closer through the brush... all of the above? Will we ever really know 100%... I doubt it. But the point is that sometimes they know, because the just know. And sometimes they just don't know and you can come in guns blazing... lights, sirens and all, and they'd just sit there and want to fight. Ive seen 100% silent coyotes and feral dogs run deer to death... they never opened up, and the deer was always way ahead of them, but the deer KNEW that dog was after them. How did they know... I don't know. To make things even more confusing, I've seen fully open hound dogs bay-up bedded hogs. I can't explain it, but it happens.

I've hunted fully open, fully closed, and everything in between. My preference... the dog that puts me on game... plain and simple.

Any dog that consistently puts you on game is worth the money you paid for it.

Winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This was an acceptable post.

The only thing I know for sure is that there are two things you should not bet on, your woman and your dogs.  The second you do your woman wont let you go hunting, and your dog wont leave your feet! ;D ;D ;D
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ISN'T THAT THE TRUTH! AMEN   I HAVE TAKEN DOGS THAT HAVE HUNTED FOR ME FOR 3 OR 4 YRS AND ON SALE DAY THEY WOULDN'T LEAVE MY FEET WHAT'S UP WITH THAT?

Closed-open, short-tall, fat-skinny, gritty-loose, who cares?  I have friends that have dogs that I think should get a knife because they aren't worth a bullet, but they never sent me their feed bill so it doesn't matter.  If they think they have something, more power to them.  I don't believe anyone on here would feed a dog that they didn't think is worth feeding. JMO

Pups too?


This thread is really about preference..not IF this will work, or IF that will work.  Can someone catch hogs with hounds?  Sure they can...some like them, some hate them but no one's going to change anybodys opinion.  I personally see no BENEFIT to using them.

I personally have no use for an open mouthed dog.  Why?  Because I have a line of kennels containing dogs that each are proficient at producing hogs and doing so in a manner that I like.  If I was desperate for a lead dog, then I might be a little more willing to overlook attributes of a dog that I didn't necessarily like and the "as long as it produces" method of owning dogs might come into play.

Agreed.

Let me ask you this, make sure I got what you are saying correct first, If you turn 3 dogs out all 3 better be on their own hog? You said catch too? So are you using one-out hounds? Are you lead in bulldogs, or RCDS? 
Another Blanket Statement  “EVERY DOG A Hunter Owns Should BE” Who are you to tell everybody on here what kind of dog they should have or own or feed?  That’s just not right to think you are better or above anybody. I know a lot of people that all hunt different  dogs types, styles, and we are still friends or atleast respect each other, I don’t care if they catch more hogs then I do (most time they don’t, lol).
You can’t decide whats best for me or my friends to hunt with or what will catch more hogs where I am, no more than I can for you, This is a discussion forum to talk with others,  Most people get along and enjoy this site for that reason

You go back and read each and everyone of my posts, I never edited any of them, and I never challenged you to a duel of dogs, however there were 4 offers to go see this dog hunt that you so cockilly speak of, none from me, now you want to prove a point great we can talk like adults should, would you like me to come see this dog and change my mind, then invite and we will debate- don’t go off like someone ready to drop his pants with a measuring stick.
That one walker dog probablyy is an exceptional dog , since you are willing to make such a fuss about him, I might like to see him but I don't like to run my dogs with open dogs.
Just try to relax a little bit this is ETHD Forum, where everybody needs to get along

Bryant,

Thanks for the response. I do feel that a pup has to have time to learn but there comes a point hat is the pup must become a dog that can do it alone. I am also glad that you boil it down to preference instead of one is better than the other as many do.

Thanks,

Buck

The reason for my post is that I do not understand your logic thats all. If you want to feed 1000 poodles I could care less however why on earth would someone want to feed a dog that is a "me too" dog? You seem to be upset because I disagree. I never said that everytime you turn loose each dog should be on a hog....I do not have the luxury to have that many hogs but what I did say is that if a dog is working a track he should not go to the first dog that barks. That dog should have the independence and the confidence to start and finish his own track and in your scenario the fault in my humble opinion lies with the dog that quits his track and goes to a dog that "yips" as you put it.

Where do you get the idea that I think I am better than anyone? Did I write that anywhere? If anything I admit I do not understand your so called "dog wisdom" and the things you write of have not been my experiences. Obviously you get upset with anyone that disagrees with you-I think you are the one with the elitist attitude.

Yes the walker that I speak of is an exceptional dog and anyone that want to go hunt with him and bring their best dog of any kind let me know and I will arrange a hunt with his owner.

Well I guess we can agree to disagree and this post will end on a happy note after all, as it should.

the reason it bothers me is I am the only one you picked out to pull the quote from my post, I guess because I am the only one that listed my reasons/logic why I feel like I do? I did not get myexperiences I write about off the internet or from buddies telling it to me, but I am still not going to sit here and tell YOu or anybody else YOU ARE WRONG, I am old enough to there are many shades of grey out there, my shade ain't the only one.

I gurantee I have hunted behund some good semi open dogs, with tons of bottom, spent several nights sleeping in the truck till the sun came up waiting for those dern dogs, and I still would not own them myself even though I can say they would produce hogs. Heres some more of my disagreeable logic, the poodles I hunt with these days can catch hogs (and do) be picked up, go home, and get sleep and go about it again in the morning, while those other types dogs are still on the same hog that can't be gotten too. Do I say my way is better "NO" I don't, I say this is whats better for me, not for everybody.

I hope Everybody had a Great Day!
 

In my opinion....if a hog is going to run....then it is going to run. A dog 'opening' or 'yipping' behind that hog will have an influence on when the hog chooses to begin its run or how hard it decides to run.

The hog may hear or scent the dog 500 yards back and have a good lead or it may hear or scent the dog 50 yards back. Obviously the amount of ground the dog needs to make up can be a factor on a running hog.

It is ultimately up to the dog to work the track, put pressure on the hog to stop and hold the hog. Otherwise the hog may trott all day long with a silent or open dog in tow.

I have a dog that 'yips' on track. Sometimes it is a lot and sometimes he is silent. I have places where the hogs run and others they dont run 100 yards. I will sell this dog for $1,000,000.  ;)

Ill buy him cash in hand with a 20 year trial and warranty!   O0

Garanteed to piss and die.  I'd say take his cool mil that he has in his hand.  No turning back, no turning back.  I've sang it in church many a times. :angel:

 :D

I've got a stinking open mouthed bluetick that I would be willing to discount since he opens.  $100,000. cash up front.  I will give a 2 week trial on the dog.  I can for sure tell you he will hunt a hog.  He will open on track.  He will bay until you get there (under 2 hours).  He will catch when you tell him to.  Other than that, I can't say what he would do.  My zip code is 32656 if your going to yahoo for some directions.

I'll even throw enough feed in the deal so that you can keep him healthy for those 2 weeks.  You break him, you bought him.  Good luck to you.

Josh

UNEXCEPTABLE! This is not the place for dog ads. Besides what makes a dog that yips or barks on track worth $100,000? ;D

I love this board. ;D

Time flies when you having fun, even if it is only a handful of individuals that is having fun with you (or at you).

 After a few trips most silent dogs know the difference in yips and a bay. Have seen it in my dogs. We sometimes hunt with dogs that will bark and yip on track. Only takes a few times for them to know the differance.
  I really dont care what a dog does. Finding and baying a hog is the outcome that matters. Like Bryant said- It only matters to the person feeding the dog in the end.

 Buck, I agree with some of your points. A few came across kind of strong armed so maybe that is the problem some have with them.

 Rex, Take a check?

 Uglydog,  I am lost on your comment about pants being down and a measureing tape?

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buck im ready now and where is this guy and are you and him hunting in cuero?

Y'all leave your macho, my dog is better than your dog attitudes of the board... nobody cares how good you think your dogs are.

 Krystal----don’t go off like someone ready to drop his pants with a measuring stick

Now thats a good one 

Mike I never spoke of MY dog I was complimenting someone elses. Uglydog made it personal just go back and read the post. Uglydog made some unfounded assumptions about what I said and launched an attack on my supposed attitude. I feel that Uglydog gets upset when someone does not agree. I feel that anyone can choose to feed anything they want I just find it funny that people get defensive when you challenge their logic. Obviously Uglydog is upset that I quoted them insteed of someone else....is there a rule against that?

In this case Uglydog decided to list the faults with dogs that yip and came up with some assinine reason that silent dogs are better-Uglydog had a list of three and I disagree and am willing to arrange a hunt with an open dog to prove a point-I really do not see anything wrong with that however in all of your moderator wisdom it appears that you have pointed your post at me and I am wondering why. Please explain.

Buck, my post was directed at you and lchunter's little pissin' match about who's dogs are better... bring your best and let's bet on it. Certain people get upset and that's what they want to through out... my dog's better than yours.

I can't stand people like, can't stand to hunt with people like, can't stand to be around people like and damn sure don't want talk to people like that.

What's really funny is that a week or so ago, you put up a post wondering who the dog jockeys are... that you wanting to get some hogs dogs. And now your challenging someone to a hunt????

It's obvious that you just like to stir things up and cause trouble... see ya Buck.

Buck,you might as well leave it alone.

I think Buck left the building.  He'll be sipping drinks with Elvis tonight.

AND THE AXE MAN COMETH!  >:D