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I am looking for anyone who has hunted with, or knows of the Winchester dog owned by Coonasscur. For those who have hunted with it, what is your opinion and where can this bloodline be found.

I have never hunted with Winchester, but I own a daughter of his, from when he was bred to Tweety.

In addition, Mike, Clay, John, and Myself all have some grandpups of Winchester.

There is a link discussing them, I will try to pull it up.

http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=3372.0

i have a grandpup  ray

Sorry Ray,   
I forget and call him John's dog...

it alright  ;)

PM Uglydog, I believe Winchester was born in her yard and was owned by a good friend of hers before Travis bought him. Her friend also owned my Tweety dog... all the Winchester/Tweety pups are making good and exceptional dogs from what I've seen and heard.

I'm sure Uglydog will reply here when she reads it.

Circle C, - Beejay had been hunting with Huey, another half brother to Winchester out of Bell, so he may interested in knowing the whole lineage too.
Here is a few more for anybody that cares to know, some I can't remember but may pop into my head later.
Huey was same litter as Spice, Lemon, Rusty, 2nd litter
Gator, Jake, Monkey  was exact same cross but first litter

Winchester, Remington, Colt, Trigger were out of my male dog Pistol & Bell, but whelped on the Hilscher yard. but I knew and hunted with most of those pups for several years before Mike H. sold all them to Mr.Mason

I have hunted with Winney many times, but it was several years ago when Mike H still had him.  He was a good producer and and excellent strike dog.  I am not saying he was without fault but he could definitely get the job done.  I have followed him a many of a mile to a bay.

Winney is out of Pistol and Bell.  Krystal has all of the lineage on Pistol and I think most of it on Bell.  Both were considered east texas brindle curs I guess.  Bell sired several very good dogs.  She was mouthy and some of her pups got mouthy at times.  Pistol made his mark as a pen dog and could get a little rough.  Any grit in this line comes from him.

Most of the pups that folks have out of Winney are off of Tweety.  Tweety is a catahoula from Cowdog Stock.  Her and her sister will flat out go and both a pretty closed mouth, cover lots of miles and will stick with one.

I only hunted with these pups a few times, but they were like a bunch of wild indians and would bay the hair of of anything when they were young.  I have heard alot of good stories on how they turned out.   

...and they say you can't catch hogs with catahoulas! :o :o :o

Sure wish I would have known this before Huey passed. I would have tried to breed something to him.

CircleC, whats your Stryker dog from. He is built right.

Stryker is mikes pup out of that line

He's off Tweety?

mike's stryker is out of brandy and by a plott cur cross.  Brandy is a tweety winchester pup.

Striker is a Tweety/Winchester grandson... out of Circle C's Brandy dog.

All the Tweety/Winchester pups came out looking identical to Tweety. The two male grandsons I have, one looks like Tweety and the other like Winchester. So far we're are pleased on how they are turning out.

I would sure like to know more about where Ruby and Tweety came from, I owned Tweety for a short time, bought her from Mr. Mason and hunter her for about 6 months and then and sold her to Mike which in hind sight was a mistake with her becoming famous and all  ;D  I have never seen pictures of Ruby but I would like to, I would also love some info on where she came from and if there were any more siblings out there or parents were still alive etc, that seems to be where she and Ruby begin and end, with some old cowboy that no one knows how to contact or anything about his dogs.  Judging by the way Tweety is put together and the offspring that she has produced I would pay good money to see her parents and grandparents.  Which brings us full circle in this conversation....when are you gonna breed Tweety Mike, you still owe me some pups  ;)

Matt, I sure like to know more of her background also... no one seems to know much about it.

Soon as she comes in... i'm curious to which side the pups throw to. ;D

Beejay, how did Huey hunt? Do you know which male dog he was out of?

I am gonna hold you to it this time, she has only come in about three or four times since I sold her to you know haha j/k

You got those pups going good enough to let grandma take a welping vacation I think  ;)

Honestly, he wasn't the best I've seen. He didn't work that hard, but once he picked up a track, get ready to run. I figured he was just slower from being old, but uglydog said he was one of the weaker dogs out of the breedings. Uglydog had got me up to speed on these dogs, his dam was Bell, but I don't know who the sire was.

I will see if I can find Mr. Poppies number and call him, he gave Tweety to Hilscher at about 6-8 months old if I remember correctly, and then sent Ruby to him also a month or two later. He got them from lady that raised Catahoulas, they did not fire on cattle on the first chance so he sent them to Hilscher. Mr. Poppy is hard to talk to somedays and other days he is friendly fella, I guess it just depends on how many cows he has messed with that day.

Bells first two litters will have to ask Hilscher the guy/stud dogs name, But I do remember him to be a brindle cur dog that was 1/4 pit.

The litter that Fatboy was out was a single survivor pup, that went back to a dog from ColdSpring/Woodville that may have also been Winfrey type dog. I do know Travis spent alot of time talking to Hilscher and got it all mapped out and even got in touch with some of the kinfolk that have that same line.

Bell was a hunting fool, but we always called her a meat hunter, Mikes wife who got her from Coldspring area as a pup, says the boys in east texas gotta put food on the table. I guess if I was hungry enough I would eat some of the kinds of Meat critters she would bay up. She was a loose baying dog on hogs that had alot of bottom, way too much for my liking. Funny thing was she would run loose at the house and as soon as the pups could go with her she was taking them to the creek bottom and hunting  with the pups.

 I can not believe we did not get not one pic. out of all of this.   Come on guys put some up.

Bunch of pics here...http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=3372.0

If I remember correctly Huey was a little rougher than most of the other dogs Mike had.  He was not catchy, but would put teeth on a hog to stop it.

Rusty and Gator were the dogs out of Bell that were Mike H's pride and joy.  They would flat out go.  And there were a couple of nights we waited on those two dogs for hours.  Bell had a heck of a nose but tended to use it to find anything.  And like I said she could get mouthy.  Funny that Krystal mentioned it, because Bell personally made Winney and Remington (not sure about the others).  Mike would let the pups run loose and when Bell would be out of her kennel for any length of time she would take them hunting.  It was not unually to pull up to Mike's and him say the dogs had something bayed in the creek. LOL

As far as Tweety and Ruby go ...... I will see Hilscher this weekend and will pick his brain a little more.  If Krystal can talk to Mr. Poppy it would proably be the best.  I might be able to talk to one of his grandkids too. 

Matt I will try and remember to get a picture of Ruby this weekend.


RJB

If you can let a whole litter of pups run loose you better.  If 1/2 of them get mashed on the highway you are still money ahead on the other 1/2.  I can remember raising pups running loose and them running rabbits and treeing squirrels at 4 to 5 months old in th middle of the summer time.  If a dog can run a riabbit and run it right without loosing it....there is no creature on this earth that can get away from it.

Yeah, his motto was it is easier to break them off of stuff than it was to get them to hunt.

Years later and we're still breaking them off unwanted game.  That's why I call them Crock Pot Curs...turn em out, they'll bay something for your pot.

Chris, I know what you mean.  Trust me.

The funny thing about it is ya'll talk about one dogs affinity for skunks.  Well her sister has the same exact problem.


RJB

took me awhile but I found some the pics,
Here is Pistol which was the sire Winchester

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/UglyDogRanch/Pistol.jpg)

Here is Gator a 1/2 brother Winchester full brother to Huey
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/UglyDogRanch/GatorFatJesse.jpg)

just for grins........
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b319/UglyDogRanch/oldRosharonhunt.jpg)

Mike is even smiling, maybe because he is in good company, Thomas, Mr.Mason, Jamie Browning, The infamous James Davis, originator of JD Curs  ;)

I member that day just for grins Yall got that hog in the grass patches on Ramsey

Talk about a blast from the past! That was 8 or 9 years back... dang I wish I didn't loose all my old pictures. Damn computers!

Willhunt4food, were you on that hunt? I remember we were invited down from a fella who worked for TDC.

I work there and I got told to go get yall that day I came out on my 4 wheeler and gave the bad news ....Warden was mad that someone got stuck and messed up his turnrow  LOL!!!! and that was my neighbor Kenny S.

Ha ha... I remember now! That's Kenny squatting down on the bottom right next to ol' Tusky.

It's a small world! ;D

Krystal, that old pic made my day... thanks!

That may have been the last one I smiled in... I got my serious look fom JD. ;D

Will it is a small world huh?

Mike glad you liked it, thats why I took the extra time to scan that in just for you! lol.

dang its kinda a small world never new that many ppl hunted ramsey. most of the hogs i caught when i first started huning were back in that neck of the woods. willhunt4food are yall gonna do any huntin this weekend?

For Ryan TBH in spme pictures in this post 1st pic is of My Pistol, but in 2nd pic is a white dog on far right, that is Fat Jessie

i ran across this post awhile back and wondered then, where are yall calling ramsey?

The Ramsey Unit prison down in Rosharon.

10-4 different ramsey

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Iv got that blood really like them.