EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

  Alright what's your opinions? As hard as it is to find land to hunt. How do you feel when your hunting buddies go to the landowners of the land you have gotten permission to hunt and get their own permission? Then carry their buddies with them. What are your opinion? What would you do?

I would take a serious look at who my buddies were

i would rather hunt by myself than hunt with back stabers but hand they are a lot of them out there.

Pretty sure everybody on here agrees that's crummy  ???

but it's to bad this sort of thing happens all the time.

this is along the same lines, but what if you brought a friend in to work on a contract with you (something that was going to bring in money) and then went behind your back??  is one worse than the other or would it fall along the same lines of a P.O.S.

Down here in florida it's very cut throat. A few people have access to most of the land around.
So if get an opportunity to hunt somewhere im going to take it. Most of the spots I hunt me and my dad are the only ones allowed to go or even know we are hunting it.

Just from being on this board it seems like you guys in texas have it alot easier. If someone asks if they can tag along on a hunt 10 people will say c'mon lets go.
It's not like that at all down here. You have to screw people or you dont get to hunt.

sounds like i wouldn't be hunting. :-\

  Dabutcher, my thoughts exactly. Guess I have a conscience. Won't stoop that LOW.   

 Its a shame u cant take a friend hunting and not no if he will step on your throat.  But it happens in this hog doggen business, put them hands on em and it will stop real quick popo

sfboarbuster hit the nail on the head it is cut throat down here.  We do not take anyone with us except a  select few as you  cannot trust anyone and if someone we know already has permission to hunt a spot we do not go there just out of respect.

We have only went behind someone once and that was just to prove a point; there was a guy who had just gotten into hunting and went with us a few times, well as his dogs got a little better he quit coming and then we found out he was trying to wiggle his way in on our place so we showed him how it felt...needless to say he backed off.

If we see a spot light we go some where else to keep from hunting on top of who ever may be there but we do not get the same respect.  One night we had a hog bayed and a bunch of people rolled up on our bay.  Another time one guy came up to us with one of our dogs on his truck, which caused a melt down and a half!

I would take them hunting, when wwe returned from the trip they probably would have nothing to do with hog hunting anymore. Im a nice guy but I have red hair , freckles and my name is harry its best my friends understand the rules. I dont mind getting honery.

I think they deserve an a$$ kicking.

All you can do is try to avoid hunting with people like this.  I know of a member on this board from Pearland that will try to steal your land in a heart beat.  BE CAREFUL WHO YOU TAKE HUNTING!!!!

Yeah that sucks people do that.   It would be different if the landowner approached them about it but to go behind your back and get the place to hunt, i think that is pretty messed up.   I was kind of in a situation like that before.   I was talking to a landowner and he told me i could come hunt his place.  Well it turned out someone i knew was hunting the place and i knew him.   So i called him and asked him if it was cool if i went.  He didnt care cause it wasnt his land anyways.  I just opted not to hunt it unless I was goin to go with him.  I didnt want to step on anybodys toes.   Gotta be respectful.

Jordan,
   I felt bad for you when I heard about what had happened.

  I wouldnt be able to hold my tongue if it happened to me.

we take very few people with us. i know some guys that come to our part of the country and dont invite us. not that i like goin with a bunch of people, so i dont invite hardly anyone to go with us unless theyve got a place to go thats atleast as good. i hunt year round and have some guys ask me to hunt their places in the summer. i tell them ill only hunt if you only let me hunt it. i dont hold with that back stabbin crap

If you hunt long enough it will happen to ya!

I've been trapping and hunting hogs for over 20 yrs now and I have had a couple of places stolen from me too. The last one was not to long ago by a person just getting into trapping and he got a contract with a city to "eliminate ALL the feral hogs" hahahaha and he is so new to the sport he probably thinks he will.

they should be hung just like cattle thiefs....

i brought a guy hunting with me and the landowner told him he was welcome to come back anytime. he turned him down. that is one of the two people i call everytime i go hunting. sometimes i have him hunt my places when i dont have the time to.

i wish everyone was like that but they're not. if anyone ever crosses me the least they have to worry about is an a$$ whoopin. id make sure they'd have to start over in hog hunting

something ive found out that works really good is  have the landowner get in a private conversation with the guy youre not sure about, the LO tells him he welcome to come hunt the place anytime and see what he says. thats how you know if you have good friends

Its pretty much the same around here.  The people who truly respect the landowners, can and will show up when the land owners request due to current hog destruction (as opposed to just showing up when the hunter feels like it) and have taken the time to build a good reputation are the ones that have most of the land tied up.  The rest just feed on the leftovers.  For allot of people these land owner relationships are a couple decades old and have more to do with being a part of the agriculture community than it does with hog hunting.  One person just happens to have hog dogs so they are the one that keeps the hogs population thinned down for any particular agricultural community.  In a sense you have to be respected as a peer and not as an outsider and most of the time it involves more than just "hey I can get rid of a few hogs for you".  Some people might not like that it is that way, but that IS the way for the most part, and I personally like that it is that way.  Now I take more people hunting that don't and probly won't ever have hog dogs. I also hunt with other people who have thier own dogs and they also have thier own places.  I won't take someone else hunting that has hog dogs but does not have thier own places to hunt and more than just a few at that.  To me that just says they were'nt willing to take the time and pay thier dues, they just want instant gratification and thats not a good way to do business.  Patience is a virtue.  

As far as hunting a place behind my back well. thats a good way to stop hunting with me, but thats what I get for taking someone who has not earned my trust yet.  but Karma will turn around and bite them.  There is not such thing as a free lunch.

Waylon

The guy we took was out of a favor to a farm manager, I said from the get-go he was up to no good but my husband let him tag along any way out of respect to the manager... so a few months later when he tried to wedge his way into our place we showed him that we could get his places if we wanted  but wouldnt out of respect to him....well now he is complaining about others who hunt "his place" to where it isnt worth going - I say Karma is a ****!

We got alot of them backstabbers here in missouri to,but our biggest problem is dog thieves & guys that ride around lookin for
a truck parked w/a dog box in back,then they scour the woods waitin for the bay.I for one do not tolerate this type of
behavior,friend or no friend the dogs are all I need to get hogs anyway.I wont hunt someone elses spot with them till they have
hunted with me on my spots,& NEVER go behind their backs & hunt their spot or even tell anybody else about their spot.
But some guys try to follow you around if your gettin alot of hogs. We've sent several guys on a wild goose chase ;D >:D

Hang Em High

Some thing else to think about is these land owners. Where is the loyalty? If you are clear with the landowners that you will only hunt for them if you have the exclusive right to run dogs that will cut out that back door stuff.

It's nice to think that way Eric, but it's not the way it works.  Just learned that lesson.  The only thing it does accomplish is the fact that after you're screwed over the other land you turned away has gone to other hands so you're standing their holding some dogs and no land to run em on.

THEY AINT FRIENDS  IF THEY BACK STAB YA  BETTER GET NEW FRIENDS

The biggest reason Zach and I havent really put some dogs together yet is this very reason. Seems like most properties have guys already hunting them and we dont want to piss any one off. So we are still looking and checking leads here and there.

We decided from the start we needed land before we started feeding more dogs.

they probably wouldnt be hunting with me anymore..it just aint right to go behind someones back like that

not cool not cool  !!!!!!!!!!!!

IMO, aint much of a buddy and needs his @ss kicked! Sorry b@st@rd! I have a lot of land to hunt and I can promise that if I had a buddy do that to me, it would definently end up in my favor! ;D

There is aways two sides to stories like these. Its best to know the hole story before listining to the compaints of just one side of the fence.

The toughest part of hog hunting is trying to keep good places to hunt. Most of the bullsh!t that goes along with hog hunting has to do with this very thing.. Around here you gotta be real careful who you trust because a lot of people will try to back door you.. If you get a good place it's a good idea to not show up with a convoy of Trucks 4-wheelers and 30 dogs, just don't look good to the landowner..

Here is a disrespect story for you...has my blood BOILING. >:D

A buddy of ours that  we have been hunting with for a year or so has been going intermittently with someone else that we "know of" and have ran into a few times while hunting.  We have been telling him for months that he is up to no good but I think he finally learned his lesson.

My husbands buddy was telling us about going hunting in an area that butts up to our place and my husband told the guy that the man didnt have permission to hunt it, he only had permission to go get this dogs IF they crossed into there.  Well they hunted it a few hours and then left; the guy that had "permission" hung around the truck all night - now mind you he is a smart man cause he had the other guy drive his truck...

Well the buddy calls back today and says "well you will never believe but old ***** took Lucky's Rymadil".  Now, Lucky is the dog that had his guts cut out a week ago and while I do not personally give them the pain portion of the meds for over a week I think it is BS that you not only have to worry about someone stealing your spots or poaching them but now you have to worry who is in your truck with you....

a man is only as good as his word

How about this one.

Had permission to hunt the dump, only I had the key.
Took a guy out there a couple of times, a couple of days later I got a call that they wanted the key back.
The guy I took out there cut the lock on the gate and went out there. Well they have a camera right by the gate.
The manager knew it was the guy I brought with me. I really got screwed on that deal.

I had a guy that hunted with me a couple times and me and him went out to a guys house that i had permission to trap at. he only had 20 acres and the hogs were coming in and tearing his place up. The next day i got a call from the land owner to come get my traps cause he caught the guy and some of his friends out there with dogs getting ready to turn loose. This guy had told his buddies that he had permission to hunt it. i dont have anything to do with him now