EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Went to Alexandria last week and picked up a brindle cur gyp.  A friend of mine had worked this dog in our training pen and I had the opportunity to watch he work. The dog has a lot of hunt and isn't scared to get out. The only problem is that she is very rough, sometimes to the point of catching. To me that is her only drawback. I have seen rough dogs is the past, that after taking a hard lick, started backing off. In your experience, what can I do to make this dog loosen up.

personally i think that its kinda up to the dog how it will react to gettin popped and don't really know any way to make em back off

Let her be, she'll meet her maker one day.  It may teach her to back up or it may not.  A dogs gonna be what its gonna be.  If rough is not yalls style than sell her to someone that runs a pack of rough dogs.  Of course this is coming from a guy who likes them a lil on the rough side. : ) JMO

From my experience with rough dogs, they either learn with time... or they don't.

Send her my way, i just got two real ruff dogs and i love them.

I don't mind them rough, just not to the point of trying to catch.  She may be a bay buster. Hopefully she will take a good lick and survive. That may slow her down.

To me rough and catchy are different things.  I don't really have a use for a rough dog, but good pack of catchy dogs can be very effective.  The only problem is that that grit comes with a price and you better carry a gun just in case.

Another thought that comes to mind is there's a big difference between a true catchy cur and a dog that will catch hogs it regards as small enough to catch.  I prefer the later.  I have absolutely no problem with a cur not giving a hog more repect than it deserves.  I've got a dog like this in my yard and he has proven his worth many times over.  There's a fine line here but a line does exist.

Cull Buck, I follow you on a true catchy dog versus hog size. I've seen lots of dogs catch on smaller hogs, but won't touch anything to big. I'm trying to follow you on rough or catchy. I have seen dogs that wouldn't get close, but would catch with the bulldog. I have also seen dogs that would bay real tight and get rough, but wouldn't actually grab. I don't know if this is what you are refering to, but to me this gyp is both.

In my mind rough dog is a dog that really wants to constantly put teeth on a hog or pull hair.  Hogs that are bayed up won't sit still for long with this going on.  I want a dog that will either back up and bay it and catch it (but catching it is not preferred unless it can be handled)....not biting at it all the way to the next county.  Now if the dog will grab the hogs butt, sit it down, and back up.....we got something now!

I guess bottom line is rough dogs without finesse or without the willingness to commit to the catch seem like bay breakers to me.  This just my opinion, I'm not an expert by any means!

I follow you, I agree.

A rough hog in a bayben couldnt hurt... the best luck i have had is just hunting the dog with other dogs who bay like you will perfer....they figure it out or die.

put her on a bigger hog

I have a cat/pit gyp that thinks shes pretty bad, until I got on a 100 lb. sow a couple of weeks ago that beat three pretty rough dogs all to pieces. She backed up and bayed and stayed out of the way after a few hits and getting thrown around a little. The dogs were all pups and will catch with a bulldog, but wouldn't catch on their own. When the hog broke she would grab then let go when the hog spun around. I guess maybe she'll be one that will learn to back up a little. I'd try putting your dog on something that would teach it respect if it's willing to learn. I agree with the others that it will be a bay buster if it doesn't learn to back out a little.

send her my way beejay i got a yellow male that is rough too, just need something to get out a lil farther haha

You need to hunt her by herself until she decides to back up and bay if that is what you want? If you want her to be rough then put her on the ground with a rough dog. If you want her to back up and bay the put her with a dog that will ONLY bay and not catch. JMO!

lol Mike.....I'm not sure if your statement says it all...... or don't say much at all.  HAHA

I've seen more get worse as they get older than I have seen learn.  Most of the time a grown dog has allready took some lessons and decided to keep doing what they do anyway.  Sometimes you can hunt a dog like that by its self and they will not be as rough.

Waylon

I would hunt her by herself.
JMO.

just a question cause i really don't understand the philosophy of it....what does hunting her by herself do? if you know what she will do putting her out there by herself(in my mind)will make her stay real rough cause she will see she has no help and feel she has to do all the work alone. with other dogs she could possibly learn that she doesn't have to be as rough cause there is strength in numbers. on the other hand i agree with mike...she will be what she is...all you can do is let her get popped a few times. if she doesn't back up then you got a dog that will be rough/catchy depending on how she is feeling that way. if you are catching hogs with her what's the problem? if she is hurting your pack sell/give her to someone that wants to give her a try MAKING sure that they know her faults and WHY you are getting rid of her.

IMO, you should probably just let me have her!  All mine are rough and she would fit right in! Seriously, I've never had any luck getting a rough dog to change into a back up and bay dog. I would assume that until she meets her maker that she will remain rough and maybe get even rougher after one teaches her a lesson she survives. Jmo

I also believe she will be what she is "a rough dog" but I also believe huntin her in a pack will bring out the CATCHIER side much quicker.
I personally prefer the ruffer dog and would giver her a chance if she was a young gyp.
I think an encounter with a couple of larger  hogs should make her realize her place.
Beejay also said he watched her in a pen, this probably played a factor on how she worked.  At pens their are usually a couple dogs all wantin to get in the action and alot of barkin comin from various directions creatin a tense atmosphere even before she steps  in.
JMO

Put her in with a big ol' boar with nubbed teeth. He'll keep her from catching aNd teach a lesson. Some hogs will never be caught with a cur dog. I don't care how rough they are.

Duece.....It might not make a difference. It just depends on if she is catchy or just a rough dog.  Some hard bay dogs will back up and bay even on small hogs and not catch if they are with loose baying dogs or by them selves, because thier instinct is to BAY and not to catch.  But put them with a catchy dog or a few other Hard dogs and pack mentality takes over, instincts go out the window and they eventually start to crowd and get gritty then maybe catch.  Maybe it is a cowdog thing but running too many dogs together has allways been been a problem to me expecially if there are one or two hard dogs in the bunch.

Waylon