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What can you think of that would be a Fast hard-catching nutt of a running CD? I want something that can keep up with a cheeta.

Never seen one but i would think a Greyhound x pit would be a pretty fast one

a lot of greyhound, with a touch of pit/ab/dogo.  Go ahead and stock up on the staples and sutures if you choose to go that route.


Mandi runs a pure greyhound that will catch most pigs, but bay larger hogs. I have seen her bay one hog personally, and it was a sow a little better than 200#, not huge, but more than her and the puppy she was with were willing to take on without help.  

wolf hound  , rifgeback,   catdo, greatdane i got a half pit half ridgeback that can make some tracks   got two young dogs that and gonna be faster then her when they get it together  one a abxdogo  other a big ol catdo

staghound or great dane.... staghound first and then great dane speed wise.  Josh White picked up a deerhound x wolfhound cross but don't know how that dog turned out.... i'm sure it's fast as all get out.  I've got a staghound x dogo/ab that's pretty dang fast, just waiting for him to turn on to pigs.  that's the only downside is they take longer to mature than most normal breeds. i've got a great dane that'll burn it up as well.

Sounds good, I'm thinking crossing a greyhound with some of these bully breeds will take some of that leg speed. That's why I'm thinking greyhound x ridgeback or staghound x ridgeback.

I heard a ridgeback should never bay and if it does, it's a cull. Maybe a few booger barks, but the good ones should all catch.

i would talk to Waarheid about ridgebacks...  if you're looking at a running dog i'd add some bull blood to it to harden it up a little.  that's what most of your Australian style dogs are.  greyhound x ab or pit.  you could use straight great dane or cross it with pitbull or a good performance ab.  staghound and a little bulldog.   

I guess it might not hurt the speed too bad if I get one that is bread with the mother being the leggy dog. Puppies usually favor the mother more right. I need somthing at least 26" tall or better, really about 30 or more would be nice. Something under 95lbs, and smoking fast.

I have had a stag hound that would flat get it done in a hurry and now i have two 1/2 pit 1/2 greyhound pups that are 5 months old that are going to be good also!!

I dont know where you live or hunt at but from the sounds of it from your other post it is very thick. I'm not sure you going to be any better off with a big tall dog in your situation. Just because a dog has shorter legs dont make him slow. The catch dog I had before the one I have now, when he was in his prime he was very fast. He was a 55# pit and could fly through the thick stuff. Im sure if you hunt in the open one of those big long legged dogs would work excellent.

Rowdy, how much you want for one? Got anymore where those came from?

Just a note - if you are planning on using greyhound crosses, better plan on having several of them. Those greyhound/pit crosses are kamikaze. I hear they will not back up and that they will get themselves into a bind. Probably best run in small packs. Chris was wanting to keep about four of them on the mule to release at first bark. Talk about a pack of piranhas.... I haven't decided to breed my bitch to a pit. I am a fan of using pure greyhound for the willingness to back up and bay if it's more than she can handle - especially since my greyhound is more of a pet and a novelty hog dog.

Greyhound will bring absolutely the most speed to the table. There is a reason they are known as the fastest dogs on earth. The fragility of the greyhound is it's down side. My greyhound is useless in brush and rosehedge, but that's when a brush pit comes in handy. I am very picky about where I send my greyhound.

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M

dont know if i want to sale one or not!!!

Rowdy, you need about 4 more of them and you will be ready for anything! Please let me know how they turn out. I have access to lots of well bred bloodstock.

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M

A lot of folks don't know what Louisiana stick cane mixed with ten other kinds of vegitation is all about. There is no leading in 1/2 of the time. When the hog is flushed out, the running catch dog needs to be sent quick before he hits the next thicket. Marsh land is a lot different than the rolling hills in central and south Texas.  

Thats what I was talking about. I'm not sure the dog your looking for is going to give you any advantages. Where we hunt the only open spot to catch one is in the water. Other than that he better be bayed solid or your gonna have trouble getting him on the hook. Even a hog that is walking around in the brush is really hard for a catchdog to locate.

aww come on son, help a poor ol'  Louisiana, crawfish eatin', gator wrestling, hog chasing, swamp smellin', stick cane sniffin' boyy out. ~laughs~

that's interesting, I didn't know those crosses were so mean. They are fragile?? Well that sucks... I guess there's no way around it??

They aren't mean, just high drive. Greyhounds are gamey enough as it is. When you throw in pit, you also get that kamikaze "I'm in it to win it" mentality. Hence, fast dogs that don't back up from a hog.

You should lose some of the fragility on that first outcross to a pit, but greyhounds have long thin legs and bodies with thin skin. Have you seen photos of my pure greyhound? Her limbs are very long and dainty. That's just how the breed is. Again, your outcrosses are going to be heavier boned but they also won't be as fast as a pure greyhound. I'm all for the greyhound pits as RCDs but their handlers should be willing to get to them in a hurry. I would also like to see pics of Rowdy's pups to see how much more bone they carry than the purebreds. It's got to be much an improvement.

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M

What about a dogrey?? Dogoxgreyhound?

What that add some size but still keep a lot of the speed?

how much stamina does that greyhound have though?  they are the fastest but from what i've read they're not good for long endurance runs.  any truth to that Mandi??   

that's why i'd think the staghound x or a dane or dane cross would be ideal.  if you're hunting cane piglywigly you should go check out ozziedoggers.org   they hunt sugarcane and it's nasty thick and they use those "big ol dogs" in that stuff with obvious success.

Yeah I don't know the answer to that either?? I wonder how long they would make it, cause many of nights we run one for 3-4 miles.

I'll have to check that site out. Maybe the Ozzie way is better than ours. I like hearing a bay, but having a one-out CD might be a good dog to have.

I don't know about that, i think they both have their place in a given situation.  But, I know those style of dogs are underestimated in thick brush, imo.    those long legged dogs don't run much different than a deer.  just a thought.

2 of my dogs are Greyhound crosses and the other is a Whippet X. If you ask me I like the Whippet cross better as she is smaller and alot more agile then my Greyhounds as they stand at 27''- 30'' at the shoulder blades compared to my whippet who is 22. It is true the GH is a sprinter but my crosses have no problem being run from 6 AM - 5 PM twice a week but I did try 3 times in a wek and he showed signs of fatigued muscles. I haven't been able to get good video of my dogs working yet as a few have asked for but once I do I will post it up.

Stamina - yeah, not so much there. We have hunted foxy horseback all day long (clocked 30 plus miles on the garmin), but she is really only good for a few hours. That said, the dog comes to life at a bark no matter how tired she is. It's all in how you use the dog. I mainly use the greyhound as a lead in. I keep her back in case the cur dogs are getting smoked (she goes to a bark) or in case we get on a spare hog going to a bay and need her to run it down. She gets off the mule, does her thing, and gets loaded back up to rest. I can use her all day long like this.

I guess you could use a pit/dane cross but I never have. I have a friend who is a dane breeder. She had to import danes from australia because she swears up and down that american danes are plagued with too many health problems (hips and elbows). We have spoken at great length about her dogs, and she is of the opinion that the stamina is an issue either way you go. Plus, I don't envy her feed bill. That's not to say danes shouldn't be used - they have a lot to bring to the table. I based my opinions on what my contact had to say about her dogs. There is also the fact that I am dreadfully biased towards greyhounds in case you haven't noticed.

The long and short of it is that greyhounds do not have good stamina. Again, hybrid vigor would likely fix some of that problem in either cross.

I am also the first to admit that my purebred greyhound is a novelty. I enjoy her even though some folks wouldn't feed her. I don't think a greyhound is the ticket to catching every hog, but I sure believe that mine has come in handy for my purposes. There are good and bad attributes to every breed, but in my opinion the crosses sometimes offer a better package than the prurebred.
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M

Guys, I am foaming at the mouth for some pics of these sighthound crosses!

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M

i was just curious is all.  i think your friend is dead right about danes, most of the larger bred danes (which is most of them now) aren't very physically sound from what I've researched.  I'd look for something on the small end of the breed standard (which is what i have) if you're going american bred.  I also think you're definitely right about the hybrid vigor would fix up the greyhound.  i could see a greyhound x bull/bird dog cross would be a bang up cross, imo.  i know the australians use a lot of greyhound crosses.  i'm curious about a greyhound x dogo myself.

let me see if i can get my stupid camera to work......it'll take pics but it's not saving them to the card or the internal memory ???  gonna have to send it in.

Greyhound dogo sounds more interesting to me than a greyhound bird dog cross. I personally wouldn't want a greyhound cross out there hunting. I would for my own purposes prefer one to conserve energy and go to a bark.

Big a, how do you hunt your crosses? I will start another thread so we don't mooch this guy's topic with my 20 questions.

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M

Not sure what dogs you have access to over there but what about crossing a pit over a rough coated stag, something that could run down and kill coyote's for example, should give you a fast dog with tough skin, stamina, speed and a thicker bone structure. Just a thought I really have no idea what is what with dogs in the USA just thought i would throw the idea up.

I wouldn't say our way is better, it gets results over here but running dogs one out isn't as common as some like to make out, has it's good points in some areas and scenarios but has it's risks as well. I would have 2 or 3 fast catch dogs and let them go together, will increase your catch rate and give them some back up on a rough hog if needed. Just my opinion though.

I'm thinking staghound x greyhound crossed w/ ridgeback x dogo w/ a sliver of Dane x AB!  I think that should catch all the runners. O0

big a built.... You like the 22" dog better, how come?

that's interesting!!! I know a staghound is taller than a ridgeback, a lot of those stag's are sitting 30" easy. Would they do as well as a dogo x ridgeback cross as far as gritt? Aren't they a mild tempered type dog? I know absolutely nothing about them except they are leggy as hell.

 PIGLYWIGLY-She is alot more agile then the bigger dogs  as I run in pretty thick forests majority of the time so I have had more success with her stopping the runners because she can juke through all the branches and stumps.

Aladatrot- I will post in your thread in a few minutes when I return as my kids just got off the bus and I have to pick them up from the bus stop BRB!

Lots of staghounds, julyhounds, and some others on here used to catch coyote's tesboard68150.yuka.com/

Fastest RCD ive seen was a red nose pitbull.
60lbs solid muscle, nice and leggy with a deep chest.
could do it on the open and in the thick!

i think you'd be surprised.  the bull blood will definitely harden them up in most cases.  quite a few guys use staghounds or stagx.  i have one that hasn't turned on yet but he's only 12months old.  i posted a pic of him on Mandi's thread.

that's interesting, hmmm, now you got me scratching my head??

that's interesting!!! I know a staghound is taller than a ridgeback, a lot of those stag's are sitting 30" easy. Would they do as well as a dogo x ridgeback cross as far as gritt? Aren't they a mild tempered type dog? I know absolutely nothing about them except they are leggy as hell.
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Stag x bull was a fairly common cross here going back 20, 30 years or so and still a few running around today, not as sharp in the finding department as something with hound or bird dog in it but still capable finders on a hot/fresh scent. As a catch dog to back up bay dogs or run down their own pig that broke cover they where lethal, very fast and hard hitting. Pure bred stags here are used on a variety of game including pigs and if you do your homework and source a well bred stag they are very gritty. They are a really mild tempered dog at home but once it's time to hunt they really switch on. They can be slow maturing though pure so a good touch up to early can set them back but by crossing the bull blood into them you overcome this. I can only talk on our Aussie dogs though but I think if you went with a stag that would take on coyotes by itself and crossed that with a pit or some other bull blood you would have a dog with plenty of grit and speed. Dogo x Ridgeback I can't really comment as dogo's are illegal here so I have no history with them sorry, we have some weird laws regarding dogs let me tell you.

Christams Berry is a thick branchy tree that is spreading through our forests and is a pain and I have found that my whippet cross can manuever alot better through this then my bigger dogs
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around my neck of the woods, people thick the bigger the better. I'm guilty of that too. I liked when people's jaws dropped when they saw the head on my Pitt. He'll hold and catch anything until we get a running hog. I just tired of slow dogs. We could have caught that hog the other night, but it might have taken 4 hours. Eventually, the hog will come to a spot where he is forced to take a bay. My dogs are great about sticking with a hog. After 2 hours, it's like they are waiting on me to call the whole race off. They come home, eyes all ruffed up around the edges from stick cane. They sleep all day and look like hell when they get up.  

JMO but if i were in your position i would try a julyhound/pit then cross that with a greyhound/pit...but would use smaller framed hard biting pits the greys would add speed the july would add bone,speed,some nose, and bottom, and we all know wat the pit would add...by crossing those two crosses i believe would take the mouth out of the july hound part...but like i said JMO

Just picked up a bully x grey from north Texas. He should be fast dog!

About to add a ridgeback x dogo in three weeks.

i'll be curious to hear about that ridgeback x dogo....i'm assuming you're getting it from mradel from this board.   i'm not sure how fast they're going to be, be interesting to here how it turns out for you. 

i think the bully x grey is gonna be a long the lines you're looking for.  how's that dog bred? 

heres my stag/airedale cross male and female.....they fly thru the blackberry thickets out here in california....possibly sending them to south texas this month.....they are for sale but steve has first shot at the trio.....anyone interested let me know...call Jw @ 530-870-2240......the male is rcd and the female will find hogs on her own or you can send her to the bay.  they are 1/2 stag 1/2 airedale...   email me @ wcconn@yahoo.com for pics if they dont show up on this post.  cant seem to download pics on this sight...Pigstkr
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Nice dogs Pigstikr!

im going to go out on a limb here and suggest a cambell cur 1/2 pit 1/2 bird. i recently hunted with one that was dead silent, fast as lightnin, but didn't seem to have a whole lot of stamina tho, straight runnin catch dog. tho i am told that these dogs are bred to bay. maybe cross one of these with the grey hound?
Just a thought. I have thought about adding a little grey hound myself, but they are unheard of in these parts.

I just got a great dane, he hasn't caught anything big yet, the piglets are always at the rear of the herd and he's caught a couple 25 lb. pigs like a rat on a cheeto. I have yet to send him to a solid bay on a big hog. My good bay pup is in heat so I've just been running one strike/bay dog and the dane as a running catch dog so they are moving when he gets there. I saw him catch yesterday, looked like a cat catching a mouse. The piglet was really moving, but about three jumps and the dane was THERE.

Pigstiker,

does that female bay first or is she just straight catch??

i have got 3 ones a cat bmc and the other two are cats.

Despite all these crosses being very interesting and fun to own or create and most are likely effective as a fast RCD I think most peple are making this more difficult than needed. I have owned or hunted with freinds who have owned basic dogs that will do exactly what your looking for.

Example: 100% pure ridgeback, dogo, pit, BMC, or some easy crosses like hound/pit or pointer/pit.

Here's a dog that has been fast enough to run down some hogs for us.  He's slightly faster than your avg cur with a 3 layer kevlar vest on, lungs about like a cur, is about 75lbs and is straight catch.  He's a lead in dog because that's how we hunt but he's been cut loose on some runners and has yet to be out run so I guess that makes him fast enough.  Its something to see a hog break and the biggest dog on the ground is passing curs to run it down.  Now I don't think there's any chance this dog could hang with a greyhound cross but he's working for us.

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don't hold out, tell us what he is. ;D

the Pitt (80lbs) was the momma, and the daddy was the greyhound. Not sure on the dads size, cause the weight I heard is too big for that breed. Aparently, he was leggy big dog.

THANK YOU CULL BUCK!.  Thats exactly what i am talking about. My personal opinion is if your hunting in texas terrain and think you need a rcd you really need better curs  ;)

But I still think they have a place and even though i use a lead in I want my cd to be a rcd when needed, speed and lungs makes any dog better, and more versatile is always an upgrade, weather you need to use it or not is a different story. But any rcd can be used as a lead in cd and not vise versa so I enjoy having the option.  :o

Not to stir the pot here, but didn't you just say we need better curs and not a RCD?

Then you just said, "I want my CD to be a RCD."

Now you've got me confused?? ???

Look, all these SLOW hogs are being CAUGHT! So, that leaves the strong runners. Only the strong survive! These slow hogs are being bread out. These hogs are getting faster, smarter, and just plain harder to catch. 20 years ago, the hogs were nowhere near what they have become today. So of these hogs don't take a bay, and if and when they do, it's short lived. RCD's are good to have.

so... what if you don't run curs??  then what do i need?  and i'll take a fast dog that has endurance and able to close the deal a LOT faster, just my opinion and the way i like to hunt.  i guess that's why we have so many different breeds to chose from.

Some also swear a RR should never catch.

Ridgebacks are just ridged curs. If it hunts and you like how it hunts - it's not a cull.

no problem bud....what I mean by that is even though I use my rcd (dogo) as a lead in cd, I want my cd to have the speed/lungs and versatility of a rcd for when its needed in a situation. Despite me not using a rcd as there intended for on every hunt there are times and situations when its good to have one. I think speed and lungs are a favorable quality in any catch dog and give them an advantage. So even though I dont use it to shut down runners (my curs do that) I still think it makes the dog a better catch dog overall with more advantages and versatility than a block headed short cd that gets winded quickly and is slow. As I said earlier any rcd can be a lead in cd but not vise versa!
For example about 2 mo. back we cut the cd into a bay it broke when it saw the dog coming and they ended up catching him a few hundred yards away but it was so thick it took us close to an hour to get there, my dogo was caught and doing o.k, a regular lead in cd would have had a heat stroke so I was glad I had an RCD despite not using him as one on a regular basis.  ;)

What does this post mean? I dont mean curs as a breed I just mean dogs that strike and bay up,  then you turn the bulldog into the bay. If your running a pack of rcd's then more power to you its just not real common in tx unless your hunting crops I suspose. And with that said I wont own a dog that isnt fast and can't seal the deal up quickly for any length of time, thats why I feed my curs. I hunt the most dogged hogs that run for the hills around and we shut em down with 2 to 6 baydogs 90% of the time, not bragging just dont know what you were getting at  ???

just a question..... if i don't run curs, then what do you propose??


 i like the faster dogs that have more leg and can hunt crops and coastal plains area... a lot of open country broken with oak motts and a little rosehedge tossed in.  speed kills or catches in this scenario, which is where the comment about speed and different strokes for different folks came into play.

fair enough! I was just pulling your chain a little bit. ;D

dabutcher,  she will bark a few times when she strikes and then try and catch.  the last big one she struck really put it to her and the other cur dogs, and she backed up and bayed with my 2 cur dogs.  i hope it knocked some smarts into her and maybe she will bay until help comes.  she is definitely rough running to the bay or on a hog that breaks.....these friggin dogs are faster than anything i have owned......especially the big male named Fergie....pigstkr

re-phrased- how is this dog bred? that is the kind of catch dog i like, i really like the way he is built

my goal is a dane X pitbull X english pointer

Aussiedogger, is that a bully x grey on your icon picture? How my inches tall is that dog? He's pretty!

looks a lot like a Bull Arab to me... idk.

Here is the fastest dog out of me and my buddys dogs that will catch she has goten alot more gritty with age and I just wish I knew what kind of dogs she had in her she hunts at 75 - 80 pounds she is the red one (http://i786.photobucket.com/albums/yy142/walkerchaser85/DogPic5.jpg)

Thats a good looking red dog, I saw a visla (bird dog) crossed with a pit that looked alot like that but it didnt have near the leg that yours does. It would have been a good dog to cross over to a dane or dane mix to end up with something close to that.

The dogs name is McLovin.  He is a Catahoula X Dogo.  He is out of Mr.Mason's line of Catdos

he's a dane X mastiff X boxer X bull arab. RCD. fast, fit and hangs like a trooper.

He's an awesome looking dog!

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