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HOG & DOGS => DOGS ON HOGS => Topic started by: hogdoggintn on March 17, 2010, 09:11:30 am



Title: Jagdterrier
Post by: hogdoggintn on March 17, 2010, 09:11:30 am
Can anyone tell me a little more about these little devils? I have been looking at them on the internet and everything I have read has said they are great hunting dogs. I would like to know more about them such as if they are usually silent or open on track, also what should they be registered through...


Title: Re: Jagdterrier
Post by: hogdoggerdude14 on March 17, 2010, 10:45:04 am
I'm thinkin that they would be silent cause of there size I don't think they have a hound voice
I know that they can be a little slow cause of there short legs compared to larger dogs like the bmc,cats, or hounds,
they can't stand in very deep water cause of the size again
the r probably very silent cause of there size
the 1s that I hAve seen are just gritty little turds
they will catch with the cd
so is speculation
but do some reaserch and hunt behind some
anyway good luck hope u make the right decision


Title: Re: Jagdterrier
Post by: Monteria on March 17, 2010, 10:55:50 am
They are a whole lot different than what one would expect! :)

Contact Bump or Ugly Dog or Longshot. Each of them run Jagds. And I think BarM too.

Steve


Title: Re: Jagdterrier
Post by: shawn on March 17, 2010, 11:45:18 am
i have read and heard alot of great things about them, but i do have a different story, i tried one, he was dog aggressive and showed no interest in hogs, my first and last experiment with one.


Title: Re: Jagdterrier
Post by: mankinb on March 17, 2010, 01:39:53 pm

 hogdoggintn  I have 6 jagds we can hunt we hunt 1 or2 and sometimes 3 with bmc and cats no dog aggressive . a lot of hunt in a jagd. some or open most not. all of my jagds can run with any dog you put on the ground a lot of energy . It is not the size of the dog but the size of the heart and drive.

 pups or 14 weeks old I have not seen cat or curs or hounds work like a jagd

 (http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv320/mankinb/050-1.jpg)

 (http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv320/mankinb/052-2.jpg)

 (http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv320/mankinb/046-1.jpg)

 (http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv320/mankinb/053.jpg)


Title: Re: Jagdterrier
Post by: buddylee on March 17, 2010, 02:43:48 pm
Most are vocal on track. Some are dog aggressive but not many. They can keep up fine with bigger dogs in the woods cause they don't have to slow down for brush like bigger dogs do. Most are very rough on a hog. Most have a VERY GOOD NOSE and a LOT of hunt, but not all. If you are gonna buy one I highly recommend you find someone with them and hunt behind the parents.


Title: Re: Jagdterrier
Post by: machine73 on March 17, 2010, 04:29:38 pm
Jagds are supposed to be either open on scent (spurlaut) or sight (sichlaut). A totally silent dog would be considered a cull by the parent club. As would a babble mouthed dog. Spurlaut in Germany is only tested on European brown hares... so completely useless to us. Seems like range is variable. Dog agrression in jagds (my opinion only) should be culled. There really isn't a very worthwhile registry in the US. And it seems like Euro registries and folks that are in to that care more about testing than they do about hunting. So I wouldn't really care about registration as long as the dog comes from good proven stock. When you are loking for a jagd, keep in mind what they were originally bred for. They weren't bred to specialty hunters. They are supposed to hunt swine, varmints, waterfowl, and burrowing predators somewhat proficiently... but nothing exraordinarily. So someone that wants a pure Earth dog may be put off by how big they are. Someone that only hunts pigs might be let down by how small they are. Duck hunters would get upset by how anxious and energetic they are in a blind. See what I'm saying? Plus, these are wickedly hardheaded dogs. Very energetic and high strung. They need stimulation and exercise on a regular basis. If you aren't ready for that you will have a bad experience with jagdterriers. Any good terrier really. For all their shortcomings, I love the little SOBs. They can get by through sheer drive and tenacity.

Sean


Title: Re: Jagdterrier
Post by: Cajunjag on March 17, 2010, 06:58:16 pm
Sir, please take what Sean just posted and read it again, then wait 30 minutes, and re-read!

Machine73's description is spot on! As you can tell by my name, I am a Jagd man. I own 2 currently and have been around them for 4 years. Keep in mind, that this breed is not for everyone. They will not work for you if you keep your dogs on a chain and only hunt them once a month.I have a pup that will not turn 1 until July 9th that recovered 4 deer this past season, one of which was a track of 6 hours w/ no visible blood to the human eye for over a mile through rice fields.

Their range is not that of a hound, but with age they will get out there. They will open up when on a pig at close quarters, when ours bark, get ready becasue they are trying to shut it down. It's funny, because I really wish he would open up when he recovers a deer, but he won't, which means I track on lead. may try w/o lead a few times this coming year and rely on the Garmin, but that is up for debate.

These dogs like interaction, get very attached to their families, and due have some aggression issues, mostly Alpha dog stuff. They will out run some cur dogs I hunt with because of their small size and I like the speed of these dogs. They will shut one down quick! Don't kid yourself, they have their place in the hog world, but I am trying to build a pack of 2 Jagd's and one fast/silent cur or Cat. These dogs seem to be on the catchy side which makes them "suicidal" in many cases. The size of the hog does not seem to matter!








Title: Re: Jagdterrier
Post by: hogdoggintn on March 18, 2010, 08:50:58 am
Thanks everyone for all the information.
I have another question are these dogs hard to train to hunt just hogs or do they like to chase everything they see or smell?


Title: Re: Jagdterrier
Post by: scdogman on March 18, 2010, 09:32:30 am
Who out there is running Jagd and nothing else?  I here guys talking about running with other dogs, but no one has gone to a all jagd pack.  Also, I don't thnik packs are necessary.  Are they any out there that you can consistantly throw a rifle over your shoulder and harvest a hog.  They are smaller, but If i need two or three, then I would just get one cur and call it a day.

The two I owned were too aggressive at a bay.  Meaning, if a hog is set up and baying.  They would go in a bust the damn thing if it was something they could not hold. 


Title: Re: Jagdterrier
Post by: cantexduck on March 18, 2010, 09:48:30 am
Bump runs all jagds.


Title: Re: Jagdterrier
Post by: Dirtydog on March 18, 2010, 09:52:57 am
Jagds are supposed to be either open on scent (spurlaut) or sight (sichlaut). A totally silent dog would be considered a cull by the parent club. As would a babble mouthed dog. Spurlaut in Germany is only tested on European brown hares... so completely useless to us. Seems like range is variable. Dog agrression in jagds (my opinion only) should be culled. There really isn't a very worthwhile registry in the US. And it seems like Euro registries and folks that are in to that care more about testing than they do about hunting. So I wouldn't really care about registration as long as the dog comes from good proven stock. When you are loking for a jagd, keep in mind what they were originally bred for. They weren't bred to specialty hunters. They are supposed to hunt swine, varmints, waterfowl, and burrowing predators somewhat proficiently... but nothing exraordinarily. So someone that wants a pure Earth dog may be put off by how big they are. Someone that only hunts pigs might be let down by how small they are. Duck hunters would get upset by how anxious and energetic they are in a blind. See what I'm saying? Plus, these are wickedly hardheaded dogs. Very energetic and high strung. They need stimulation and exercise on a regular basis. If you aren't ready for that you will have a bad experience with jagdterriers. Any good terrier really. For all their shortcomings, I love the little SOBs. They can get by through sheer drive and tenacity.

Sean





he is correct in what he is saying. i would sugest hunting with some first... where are you from?  there are many of us in texas that hunt with them.


Title: Re: Jagdterrier
Post by: hogdoggintn on March 18, 2010, 10:06:56 am
I am from east tn. I have never even seen a jagdterriers except pictures. Hogs were only introduced here about 4 years ago and some of us around here have been trying to start hunting them with dogs.
I have a 10 month old female catahoula that was doing real good, but she has hip dysplasia so I have quit hunting her.
I have been looking for another dog or two and haven't decided yet on what to get. There is not much to choose from here close, just a few curs.


Title: Re: Jagdterrier
Post by: Bump on March 18, 2010, 11:41:31 am
I only run Jagds. Have four Jagds and two catch dogs. Typically run 2 or 3 Jagds with 2 walk in catch dogs. Each one has their own uniqueness but they can all find their own hog.

But all 6 of my dogs are cold as hell  O0



Title: Re: Jagdterrier
Post by: hogdoggintn on March 18, 2010, 08:27:00 pm
Thanks  for all the information


Title: Re: Jagdterrier
Post by: machine73 on March 18, 2010, 08:33:44 pm
I think Critter was running only jagds and shooting over then. Maybe another fella... ole sarge or something like that. In Germany they mainly use them to drive hogs to riflemen however I have heard of some folks doing it like we do with knives.

Sean