EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I train my dogs to work as a team you won't see one dog trying to do it all as they move you can see the dogs rotate off the head as they move at first you see the red and whites on the body and working there way up  this way he can not gain advantage as the dogs work the head look at the dogs work the body as the boar moves they will work there way to the head as the dogs rotate I feel that this method keeps my vet bill down since I started this way my vet bills are much less
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWGMW8I1IDc

no vests  u r gonna get a vet bill its only a matter of time   i guarantee it   ull prob get 1 killed   

no vests; stop showing the videos before you get one hurt. they need to lock on and stay locked on turning loose you will get dogs killed that way.

I admitt you seem to be a good dog trainer they have good handles but those dogs will get hurt and killed.

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why should he stop showing the videos? nobody tells you you cant post because they dont like the style that your dog bays or the way your bulldog catches. and obviously no vest is the way that works for him, i wouldnt personally do it with my dog but get off the mans back. it

boys teach your dogs to handel the hog you wont need a vest I been pulling hogs for years the main dog in that vid is over 6 yr how many do you have 6 yr old main grab dog NO!!!!!!!!!! cuts only one dogs has scars she is old school grab NO GOOD you never will see a vest on my dogs I guss I will show more on how I train smart grab dogs ma be I can change your mind

and as far as locking down no let go this dog I will cul the pack must work togather as they move I hunt in a lot of cliffs if they were to lock down in there first boar will most likeley kill them the dogs must think as one they will always work him in a circle keeping his head on the ground if the dog wont release he will get in the way of the other dogs controling him

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    Re: running bulls breaking off the hog
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why should he stop showing the videos? nobody tells you you cant post because they dont like the style that your dog bays or the way your bulldog catches. and obviously no vest is the way that works for him, i wouldnt personally do it with my dog but get off the mans back. it 
 
 
he has a good point, know 1 tells you haow to hunt your dogs unless you ask for it, plus its that guys dogs and money, not yours.I dont run a vust myself and know its only a matter of time b4 1 ends up cut or dead, but it seems when i hav a lil xtra $ and i get ready to order a vest the $ has got to go to somethn more meaningful, like fuel or rent or somthn that doesnt leave me with the $ for a vest.
 
 

u asked 4 opinions   ure gettin em  i dont care how many bulldogs r on a pig     with no vest  1 will get killed 1 day  maybe thats all youll ever lose hopefully   one day u r gonna cross the wrong pig and hes gonna stick 1 of ure dogs if not more    its ure deal hunt an train however u want   post wutever u want   i dont care   i have had cut dogs but none killed so im gonna hunt my way  3 bay dogs an 2 vested and collared pits   just dont get mad when u ask 4 an opinion and then get some that u dont like   i agree tj  he should hunt an train however he wants   let him do his thing his way   i personally wouldnt buy a dog off u 428   i dont like ure style  thats my opinion   but dont let ppls opinion change u or ure style  if ure catchin hogs  then great   just dont b surprised when u get 2 the hog one of these days and a dog or 2 dead   

if you dont have the money to buy the equipment you need you shouldn't be hunting.  If your dogs find and catch dogs for you, u need to atleast get them a vest to lessen the chance of getting cut. jmo.

Why do people worry about how others hunt their dogs???

Just as many get cut and killed with a vest or cut collar than ones with out... just a little added protection.

There's several reasons people don't vest their dogs... heat and water being two of them.

You hunt the way you like and i'll hunt the way I like. ;)

learn by what you are seeing here

Hey big ALOHA for all you guys input I read it all but this is not my first hunt I have had many dogs killed before NO dogs would even reach 2yr until I started training for the fight for the first time I have dogs 3 to 6 yr old I know something must be working Im getting it from both sides here the guys say well you know    hunters will be hunters    Many guys are chipping in to send me Im looking forward to lighting one up in Texas

Dont forget oklahoma  ;)

Really looking forward to it    Hey do any of you guys know if I will need a out of state hunting license or will my Hawaii one be good

in oklahoma  u need a permit if ure hunting with sum1 licensed

I enjoyed watching the video... Thanks.

I think that it would be a good asset to you if you had one of those dogs that would latch on to the rear or tail end of that hog... that way the hog would have sat down and probably would not have continued to push through the woods as far at the bay/catch. Also I would imagine that a lot of the meat is damaged due to the dogs biting and then letting go to get a new bite. If a catch dog takes a hold and latches on to the ear or head and doesn't let go, I recon that there would be less meat damaged vs all the nip-nip marks all along the body and front shoulder.

just me $.02 worth, no harm intended. :)

Your right about the damage on the front shoulders sometimes I lose allot meat       But as far as dogs hitting the rear I prefer to keep my dogs on the head I want them to give and take in case Im a long time in getting there    If my dogs have him for long enough time they will pull him down and kill him    This style is very common in Hawaii

Dont really see any type of style to it? Just looks like some dogs that want to be gritty,,, not catch and hold, just gritty.

YA!!! I don't see any style in putting a tracking device on your dog and following the beep to me this is not hunting what skills do you need to fallow a beep what did you do before you got them????? or putting your dogs a mile out while you set on the road and I stop most hogs in the first 100 yards or less in far worse terrain    your going to say your hogs are bigger but you have flat ground      we do see 200 lbs HawaiIan  hogs    the larger the more easy to pin     I read all your posts your only now looking at cross breeding and hunting styles     Hawaii has been doing it for 30 years more            so your view seems irrelevant to me

Come on now, nobody said it was wrong.... you seem so eager to jump on somebody. i was just simply stating that the dogs are acting like every other dog (other than a catch dog) i have ever seen catch a hog....

now, first off i dont run around chasing my dogs.... i let them out and they go 800-900 hundred yards and usally bay but sometimes futher or sometimes closer... if they dont get on something they will come back and we will go somewhere else and do it again. And that is how i like my dogs to hunt,,, and it sure does seem to work... my dogs bay lots of hogs by hunting this way.

and to your comment about me cross breeding and looking for hunting styles.... PLEASE show me where i have been looking to cross breed???? you might want to check before you state something like that....

Your wright I don't know your style    I miss spoke  we need to hunt together to know for sure  Iv just take allot of number 2 and you with out knowing judge my my dogs and style and you know on more about it than I of you   don't get wrong I admire you guys   WE all have are days
ALOHA

No problem man,,, glad we could work it out... sorry for speaking out about your style

Ill be coming in oct   I would be horned if we could get a hunt in I will be bringing 4 to 5 dogs it depends on how many I can get past quarantine I would love the opportunity to show you my dogs work drop me a pm and I will contact you and we will test my style
Aloha

Sounds good bud  ;)

yall should hunt moscow ;D

Yea for each his own.your style is fine with me even though it's nothing like the way I hunt. I got loose baying hounds that don't get through crapping for 100 yrds . Mile or two ain't nothin for us. Seen plenty of times I would like to have that bunch when it's time to go home.

how did i miss this post?

i used to run RCDs and cut collars and the only vest was either on a young pup or my bull dog, the only comment i have is i dont like the moving around on the hog that can be careless but if it catches swine who cares its one down 4.5 million to go

I'm not looking for a fight here, just simply stating my opinion as others have...

I am sorry, but you can't train your dogs to rotate off the head and let the others take the place, that is far reaching.
What you have done is eliminated any 'true' catch dog from your pack.  By doing so, you have a dog that can't or won't lock onto the ear or head area for very long.  By hunting too many gritty dogs in your pack, the non-locking dogs lose their grip and the aligators chomping their way to the head (which is where they would be catching grabbing if there was room) simply see space in the direction they want to go and attempt to get there.  There is no training to this method, rather it is a method of culling.  You cull any real catch dog out, as well as any dog that is not gritty enough to attempt to catch grab.  Your dogs aren't controlling the hog either, they are simply along for the ride.  By releasing from the head, you give the hog back the ability to make a move, repeatedly(as you state has been trained into your dogs), thus, by pure deduction, he still is allowed some control.
Furthermore, hunting with no protection for your dogs will get more dogs hurt/cut/killed if you ever did get on a hog big enough to have teeth, that is a fact.   I don't see your point in saying you have worse terrain?  that makes it easier to stop a hog if he can't run?  I also don't follow your arguement for using a tracking system when your dogs aren't hunting as far as dogs hunt here?  You are exactly right, if my dogs hunt only a couple hundred yards max, and they catch grab as soon as they get there or stop the hog within 100 yds, then i wouldn't own a tracking system or see the need for one.  It is a different style of hunting, but it's also somewhat adaptive to your terrain.  I can understand having different styles for different hunters and different terrain.  I can't understand NOT using protective gear for your dogs.  I can't believe at this point you are able to train dogs to rotate off the head and/or up the body to the head and then off again. 

My 2 pennies,
Maver!ck

PS - I do hope you get to experience a hunt here in Texas with your dogs and i hope to be able to hunt there one day as well! 

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