EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

i really need to kno this cuz i think its just mistakes then ppl are tyin to make money and gettting young hunters screwed!!! O0

The dogs I have are bulldog and curdog.  They work best for the places I hunt. I like a rough catchy dog and don't have to have a lead in catch dog. I like the fact I can take one or two dogs to the woods and catch any hog they stop. That's just me though.  If I breed my dogs I don't do it to make money. I usually give them to the guys around here that I hunt with. That way we know what were getting and don't end up with junk.

The dog world is filled with "mistakes" that are excellent dogs for different purposes. I believe you would cross a Bull with a cur to add more gut and grit to the cur blood or to add more nose and bottom to the bull blood.

No mistake, I've had 1 and loved him.  But they have got to be built right.  I've been lookin for 1 ever since he died but can't find what im lookin for.

a buddy has one that we use as a running catch dog, he is pretty good about staying close to us, but honoring a bay very quickly, i wouldnt trust him by himself on a big hog but he gets the job done with another bulldog, or by himself on smaller ones.

i wouldnt use one as just a catch dog though

i use pit cur cross i breed them just for ,my pack they are usualy great dogs hunt hard and lots of grit i love the cross it works for me they make great rcd's and pretty fair strike dogs

This is an excellent cross works hard, catches hard howver bulldog side has to be looked at with more caution.
I think what im tryin to say is that you want a GAME pit mix n with a good hard huntn cur will get you a good dog.
JMO.

I hope not. I just bred my male cat to my pitt. She is all catch and can wind from the wheeler, but is very hyper. He is laid back and is an excellent bay dog. I did this on purpose to see if we can put the brakes on some of these runners in the Palmettos. If she took, I will keep two and almost give the rest away. I just need back what I have in them to keep my wife off my butt. Quint

but the way i look at it in my perspective that is takin huntin out of huntin that is not givin the hog a chance if your bay dogs cant really hold them till u get there to cut the catch dog loose sounds as if u need to get a better dog and let it be but that is my point of view it just seems like if u have them catchin before u get there ur takin the sport and hardness out of it and thats kinda lazy O0

you can say what you want i cought over 200 hogs last year with my gritty dogs and diddnt run them all over texas with a bay dog it takes a gritty dog to put teeth on a hog and stop it but if you want to chase your dogs and hogs for hours  then you dont need that cross get ya some poodles and have fun your way lol  becouse my reg bmc's will stop and catch just like ,my cross breed curs do and theres lots of sport in it come go with me ill show ya how real dogs catch hogs

5 yrs ago I had a great Cat X Pit that I used as a traditional catch dog or RCD. Caught as hard as any straight bulldog but ran and handled like a cur dog. Its hard to find good reasonably priced bulldogs. ALot of the Cur X Bulldogs can be bought at a better price and you can get the same results. With that said, its just like any thing else... not every BMC makes a strike dog and not every Pit makes a catch dog.

I will throw in that all these Xs being sold and talked about as being the cure for your hogs running is a bit misleading IMO.

    Not to be negative, I know there is lots of good ones out there. But everytime I try to ad one to my curs I do not get positive results. I raised one litter out of one of my good BMC's and a half cur half ridgeback catch dog. Ever one of the pups were real catchy. They really didn't hunt that good, but would always answer the bay. Tried to catch as soon as they got there. Got my curs cut nearly every time. Lots of times the bay busted and would lose the pig. Got rid of them and solved the problem. So I guess I would have to admit they didn't work for me. But like I said I do know fellow hunters that get along well with them. Guess it just comes down to hunting styles.

Like what roughdog said, I bought 2 brothers pit/cur they are 4 months now. There older brothers 17-18 months are RANKKKK , will find and catch any hog . That is a popular mix in Florida where im from . They find and catch hogs plain and simple !!!

What you just described is undesired in all hunting styles. Dogs have to be smart and either commit to the catch and be in control or not catch at all. That back and forth stuff will cost you hogs every time no matter what style IMO. I do not know of any one or style the considers that productive behavior. :)

 To jtmitchell21 .. Dont really know how having dogs that can find and catch a hog is lazy lol. Some folks want a bay dog , dont need one if you got a dog gettin both jobs done. To each His Own !!!

  Listen kid. You asked a question and people gave you answers. Then you come back with this kind of stuff  rolleyes. This is what I use and they get the job done on a regular basis. You keep doing what your doing and I'll keep stacking hogs in the truck  ;D

im not hunting to give the hog a chance im hunting to catch hogs

Being a smart a$$ won't get you very far on here. ;)

You hunt your way, i'll hunt my way, everyone else will hunt their way and we'll all tell stories and have a good time.

i have nine puppies that our out of our best catch dog and find dog. they are for sale just for 50 bucks thats it and they should be able to catch a pig by themselves when they get older. call me on 325-232-3915 or 325-660-8997

I did ask a question and i appreciate everyones anwsers! Everyone has their own styles of hunting. We sell the hogs we catch so cant have them to chewed up but everybody knows that they can get pretty tore up at times. alot of people kill the catch as soon as the hog is caught i dont dissagree but we bring them out alive thats money in my pocket. i have heard of many instances where the xs broke the bay. i like to run in see the bay before i turn any catch dogs loose . im not knockin rough dogs i have a bmc that is a little gritty but she doesnt try to catch unless its a pig  i dont like anything catchin but my bulldog.  ill keep the poodle thing in mind lol! thanks for the input keep it comin
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There are pleanty one-breed dogs bustin bays out there also. Bay busters come in all flavors. ;)

X2 That is the TRUTH!

There are alot of general blanket statements that the pit half is going to make the dog catchy or rough.
That is only true if the the Pit side shows up in the offspring, go back and read the threads about breeding, you don't neccesarily get 50% of each dog in each pup. In other words mixing Red & Blue don't make your pups purple.

I have some on my yard, and I did not let them catch as pups, and now they don't catch until its time for them too. I have dogs without any bulldog in their bloodline that are stupid rough at times.
A friend of mine has a half pit/Half cur that the Pit is obvious in the looks of the dog and she will bay a 60lb shoat all day long. She definately is the one finding most of them too.
I don't particularily like my dogs baying something that small.

i have a pit cur cross he isvery very rangey and is not hardly rough at all

i have a half dogo half bmc...i know it isn't pit but it's catchdog. i like running two types of dogs at the same time. i like a looser baying dog that will lay teeth if the hogs move, and i like a dog that will catch anything under 100lbs. that way i have one dog baying and another controlling a 100lbs hog. if it is over 200 they  both need to be baying then i cut the dogo loose. it works for me. i don't mind a smart rough dog. don't like stupid rough dogs.

After reading this statement it occured to me that this discussion once again boils down to differences in styles. There are a few people who wouldn't run 2 different style dogs (loose, gritty) on the ground at the same time but it doesn't make doing any more wrong than a guy who wants to run a pack of loose dogs.  :P  :laugh:  It boils down to the guy who is putting the pack together to undertand what it is he is wanting and to build around that from an educated point in order to bring home his bacon.

A good friend gave me a pair of littermate pups when I first started hunting. They were perfect for me and I loved those dogs. One died of narcodia @ about 8 and the other lived until 12 when he had a heart attack.

A guy down the road gave me another and I like him. If something happens to the one I got I will be in the market for another.

Just run the ones that put the meat on the table are the hogs in the trailer.  Ruff, loose , tight not so tight, catchy they all got there faults .  I use to worry about all of this but figured out it just dont matter if you are catching and killing hogs then you know you got the right kinda dog  .

i tell you wat somebody show me a rule book on hoghunting until then i will continue running with and hunting with the crosses that work...for somebody to get on here and bash someone elses style of hunting is a lil bit chicken sh!t if you ask me...jmitchell wat you dont realize most ppl hunt hogs to protect their land and others land as well so ppl have to adapt and over come when it comes to THEIR OWN PERSONAL pack to do wat it takes to get the job done and get the hogs out... so please if you have the golden rule book of hoghunting plz post it so that we all may see it