EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I'd like to "beef up" some of our native stock, especially how fast they grow.  Some of our properties have mature hogs that don't break a 100#'s.

Anyone have any experience in crossing in new hog blood?  I've seen some hogs I think they call a Poland that are all muscled up and look pretty tough, would make some mean looking crosses for sure ;D

Russians... I don't know.  I've heard quite a few people say they wish they'd never introduced them as they tend to run like deer.  Still a possibility though, as long as I could find some big, fast growers.

Any thoughts?

NO RUSSIANS....unless you like chasing dogs all over the country and catching only a few. Instead of baying up they just out run them. All hogs will run but they are bad runners. Hampshires make a nice cross i like those listed hogs

Most of the pigs we have here are from show pigs that were turned out and bred back to each other and occasionally other wild pigs but like Clay said the biggest pigs we've got down here look to have alot of Hampshire in them.. Up here for every black pig there's a spotted pig lol.. We caught a boar that went 240 lbs. last year that was a salty sun of a gun and he looked to be full Duroc with BIG floppy ears..  :D

duroc would be cool

I have a half duroc half russian in my bay pen right now lol...
He's a little sucker but man he's mean!!

the half wild half domesics like to fight from what ive seen and heard

This is Max... my rooter/hampshire cross. Good breeder boar for wild sows. :o

Good domestic blood... less runners. ;D

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exactly,,, we have alot of russian blooded hogs around here,,

hampshires make a good cross,, they get big,, never heard of anyone turnin any poland china's lose or breeding them to rooters.

Russians is all I really hunt anymore now that diesel is so high and I am too busy to take off and go to the Sabine River bottoms.  We have a very eccentric fellow out here who imported 50 head of these jokers about ten years ago from Canada.  He got tired of them one day and decided to let them go.  He has also let some Red Stags, Axis, and a few huge trophy whitetails go as well.  I am just hoping that he doesnt decide to let the Bison go!  Anyway, I think the only way to slow these jokers down is too breed potbellies in them.   I remedied this problem over the last 7yrs. by trying dogs until I found what had the nose and the bottom to bay these hogs.  This one caught a couple of months ago by me and my buddy Chuck who posts on here sometimes.  We do get out run a lot, but when I put my dogs on ferrel hogs it feels like shooting fish in a barrel! :)

Joey

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You are about 2 months too late...Just sold the last of my Euro stock (Russian).....When bred selectively for a few years they can get VERY large VERY fast....out largest that we sold and weighed was 462 pounds at 28 months old.....Here is my old brood boar Samson....4 years old in this pic...
very agile for his size...
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cody he looks like he would be a handful if you had him bayed up in a thicket :o :o ;D

There is a type of hog called a Tamworth, thats also called a Irish Grazer because they do well foraging for them selves.  I've always thought it would be a good cross to breed up some wild hogs.  U could turn some Sows out and let the wild boars breed them, and if they perform like it is said they could dang near take care of them selves.  Its a pretty rare breed so there are not very many around.

I may be crazy, but the most running hogs I always come across are not hogs with allot of russian (Euro) blood.  The runners are the coal black hogs, old lines of wild hogs from back when they starting increasing in population years ago. 

Of all The ones that Iv'e killed or seen killed that look like Cody's boar, with the split hiars and other European (russain) charateristics were not that bad to bay In my experience. They have enough agression and will stand and fight a dog if the dog plays its cards right.  Sometimes I think people get on a running hog and dang that thing must be a russian because it got away when it might not even have any European blood at all.  But if it got away how do you know if it was a russian or a pot belly?  But like I said I might be crazy and thats just my opinion.

Waylon

Waylon,

Some guys up north were breeding tamworths to Euros...said they grew much faster and kept the "grizzly" colors because the tamworths are naturally brown....Tamworth:

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Found one....Tamworth X Euro(Russian)

(http://www.bark.ch/albums/Pigs-Sep16/normal_LQ3V1089.jpg)

 :o :o

Don't think you'd have to worry about that one outrunning your dogs ;D

Waylon,

When all that you have are russians then you can probally bet that it was a russian hog that out ran your dog.  There werent any hogs in this area till this guy let them out of his enclosure, but if a hog is dog smart it doesnt matter what kind of a hog it is, it will out run most dogs. jmo.

Joey

we got nothin over here that looks anything close to a russian.

That's why yall don't need bay dogs ;) ;D

aussiedogger........To tell the truth there is really not that many over here either.