Title: dogo vs pit Post by: chopper on May 11, 2010, 05:59:32 pm I have never hunted with a dogo and never seen any around where i live, i was just wondering how they may differ in hunting from a pit, and arent they just a pitx, just curious .
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: 3-Bdogs on May 11, 2010, 06:26:48 pm ok my opinion i like the pit better now understand this is only my opinion and experience i had 2 dogo hated both of em didn't catch solid lots of re grippin and tearin the hog up as do the few others i have now i did see 2 true dogo and i would say they were the best hard hittin catch dogs i ever seen but like every other breed ppl couldn't leave em alone and crossed em with their other dogs and still called em full bloods i think if they are full blooded they would be great as long as no one tampered with the blood and papers don't mean nothing anymore trust me ways to false register happens way to often but that's my 2 cents someone else prob fill you in a little better on it
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: catchdog on May 11, 2010, 08:37:24 pm hey I've hunted with one dogo that was a very good catch dog and would pass out before he would let go. But I would rather hunt with pits just cause i like the short boxie type catch dogs around 65 to 75 and short they seem to last longer and don't get cut as much as taller catch dog.
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: hogdoggerdude14 on May 11, 2010, 10:47:18 pm Dogos r weigh more and can run/gallop at long distances and can track a hog .they were made take tackel dangerous game such as hog,puma,ect but they r not very common dogs
pits r lighter than dogos but in my oppinon they r easier 2 train not trying to put down the breed but they do have a temper the thing I don't like about the breed is the stamina they r good at catching and r not hard 2 find both dogs have heart,and can get the job done so it's preference Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: S_J_KENNELS on May 11, 2010, 10:59:25 pm I hunt and prefer DOGOS due to the fact that I have had and seen pits get dragged by hogs. I have yet to see a dogo have that happen. Plus I like size on a catchdog and they are anchors. If I could afford enough of them I would run an all DOGO pack. Don't get me wrong I like my pits/bulldogs and always have one around as they get through the thick brush easier, but for where I hunt and how I hunt DOGOS work better for me.
Like the others said though there are good ones and bad ones in the breed, but that goes for all breeds. If you want a dogo find a good reputible hunting dog breeder(somebody who actually hunts their dogos) and get one from them. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: TColt on May 12, 2010, 12:27:11 am Both will get the job done and its all preference and hunting style.I personally prefer a dogo, to answer your last question dogos are not pit mixes and have no apbt blood in them what so ever.
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: jojo on May 13, 2010, 03:03:43 am a pit hase a few hundread years of proven exp over a dogo, where do dogos originate from, I think they are just from a bull dog that someone got a hold of in some other country mixed some other dogs into and came up with a name for when the origional bull dog is what makes them worth a shi#t, but i really dont know but they sure look like a bulldog x some other big dog.
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: jojo on May 13, 2010, 03:05:54 am buy American go pit bull
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: S_J_KENNELS on May 13, 2010, 08:31:21 am A good dogo from good lines will IMO out perform a bulldog. I ran bulldogs for years and have now switched to DOGOs due to how I hunt and their size.
JOJO do some research on the dogos before making statements you know little about. There is no pit or bulldog as we know it in the dogo. In fact here is a link explaining how they bred and came up with the DOGO. http://www.dogousa.org/DACA/history_of_the_dogo.asp Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Flacracker on May 13, 2010, 12:12:46 pm A good dogo from good lines will IMO out perform a bulldog. I ran bulldogs for years and have now switched to DOGOs due to how I hunt and their size. JOJO do some research on the dogos before making statements you know little about. There is no pit or bulldog as we know it in the dogo. In fact here is a link explaining how they bred and came up with the DOGO. http://www.dogousa.org/DACA/history_of_the_dogo.asp it says like 6 lines down in the formula that bulldog is a part of the breed. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Silverton Boar Dogs on May 13, 2010, 12:28:11 pm 1) the Fighting Dog of Cordoba, to which he added blood from
2) the Pointer to give him a keen sense of smell which would be essential for the hunt. 3) The Boxer added vivacity and gentleness; 4) the Great Dane it's size; 5) the Bull Terrier, fearlessness; 6) the Bulldog gave it an ample chest and boldness; 7) the Irish Wolfhound brought it's instinct as a hunter of wild game; 8) the Dogue de Bordeaux contributed it's powerful jaws; 9) the Great Pyrenees it's white coat and 10) the Spanish Mastiff gave it's quota of power. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: S_J_KENNELS on May 13, 2010, 01:04:55 pm A good dogo from good lines will IMO out perform a bulldog. I ran bulldogs for years and have now switched to DOGOs due to how I hunt and their size. JOJO do some research on the dogos before making statements you know little about. There is no pit or bulldog as we know it in the dogo. In fact here is a link explaining how they bred and came up with the DOGO. http://www.dogousa.org/DACA/history_of_the_dogo.asp Again this is not the type or version of bulldog we are talking about or have here. ALso look at Silvertons post. it says like 6 lines down in the formula that bulldog is a part of the breed. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Flacracker on May 13, 2010, 01:21:01 pm A good dogo from good lines will IMO out perform a bulldog. I ran bulldogs for years and have now switched to DOGOs due to how I hunt and their size. JOJO do some research on the dogos before making statements you know little about. There is no pit or bulldog as we know it in the dogo. In fact here is a link explaining how they bred and came up with the DOGO. http://www.dogousa.org/DACA/history_of_the_dogo.asp Again this is not the type or version of bulldog we are talking about or have here. ALso look at Silvertons post. it says like 6 lines down in the formula that bulldog is a part of the breed. I'm just sayin that you posted the history of the dogo and contradicted yourself in your post thats all. Silverton was pointing out the same thing I do believe (see higlighted) Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: S_J_KENNELS on May 13, 2010, 01:30:42 pm A good dogo from good lines will IMO out perform a bulldog. I ran bulldogs for years and have now switched to DOGOs due to how I hunt and their size. JOJO do some research on the dogos before making statements you know little about. There is no pit or bulldog as we know it in the dogo. In fact here is a link explaining how they bred and came up with the DOGO. http://www.dogousa.org/DACA/history_of_the_dogo.asp Again this is not the type or version of bulldog we are talking about or have here. ALso look at Silvertons post. it says like 6 lines down in the formula that bulldog is a part of the breed. I'm just sayin that you posted the history of the dogo and contradicted yourself in your post thats all. Silverton was pointing out the same thing I do believe (see higlighted) If you look at it I said as we know it. If you see the pictures that I have seen posted of what they called a bulldog it does not look ANYTHING like what we call a bulldog :). Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Scott on May 13, 2010, 01:36:47 pm There's quite a bit of bulldog in the Dogo:
Boxer = german bulldog Bull Terrier = bulldog x terrier Bulldog Dogue de Bordeaux = bullmastiff Spanish Mastiff (also known as Spanish Alano) = some consider this breed to be the precursor to the AB Cordoba fighting dog = probably some bulldog in there as well Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: altabonita on May 13, 2010, 02:00:03 pm "Dogue de Bordeaux = bullmastiff"
Dogue de Bordeaux is not a bullmastiff, two different breeds. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: USHOG on May 13, 2010, 02:06:56 pm First there is nothing wrong with any dog that gets the job done. As far as training Dogos are pretty easy. They listen well get along with all other dogs and are easily trained. They are giant lap dogs if they are allowed into the family. Some of the biggest differences between a pit and dogo Now I only can say this about my lines so do not over generalize my words, are first endurance, speed, lungs, and nose. The dogo is a complete hunting machine that needs no help in tracking and then catching hogs, but they also work well as lead in CD's. I think the biggest problem with dogos in peoples eyes are that they cost more than pits and take longer to mature, but they are well worth the time and money.
Here's a picture of a few of my Dogos. (http://www.ushogoutfitters.com/images/dogos-001.JPG) Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Scott on May 13, 2010, 02:26:47 pm "Dogue de Bordeaux = bullmastiff" Dogue de Bordeaux is not a bullmastiff, two different breeds. Thanks for pointing that out....what breeds were utilized to develop the Dogue de Bordeaux? Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: cantexduck on May 13, 2010, 02:41:34 pm I think it all depends on what you are looking for. I dont want my catch dog to have a nose. Her job is to run to the bay and catch not go find a hog on her/his own. I am not going to raise a catch dog pup. I want to buy one that is finished. Not going to spend alot on one. That is why I have two pits in the kennel.
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Cristina on May 13, 2010, 02:42:44 pm I think the big advantages of Dogos are that they get along well with other dogs. And like Joe said if you bring them in the house they are giant lap dogs!!! My brother has two and every time I come over to his house they are all over me trying to get on my lap!!! But they are very loyal to my brother and his family and very protective but are smart enough to know when they need to be protective and when not. They are very obedient and smart. In my experience with pits and again this is just the experience I had, We had a very beautiful pit and we put him on some hogs and he did good but he had to be taken on hunts with a muzzle!!! Thats all the dog wanted to do was kill another dog. It wasnt even about dominance he just wanted to fight. We spent so much money on vet bills because he messed up our lead dogs hand through the kennel, he somehow got a hold of another dogs front paw and ripped it to shreds, our dog Willie got loose one time and went up to Iron (the pit) tail wagging and all trying to play with Iron and Iron started fighting with him got a hold of his back and was locked on him shaking poor Willie. I ran out of the house with the .22 ready to shoot Iron because I was not going to let him kill Willie and I hit him really hard to where he let go, for all I know he couldve turned around and bit me!!! That was the last that we were going to tolerate and we got rid of him. We had him for 5 years raised him from a pup and never had a problem until something just switched on in his brain and he wasnt going to stop. Again just my experience. With my brothers dogs, ive seen other dominant dogs come up to them and they just turn their heads away and avoid the confrontation. Ive seen them growl at a dog that was being annoying to them but it never passed that. We use our Dogos as RCD's. The smaller one 85# runs all day with the curs and has stayed caught for at least 10 minutes one time that we were hunting at night and the land owner took a long time to get us to the bay. The other one is over 100 pounds and doesnt even need a lead he stays right next to my brother, but when there is a bay he is gone and when he catches he is not letting go. I think the key point is that they get the job done just as well as any other breed, maybe different than other breeds do but they get the job done. JMHO.
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: bignasty on May 13, 2010, 03:29:39 pm A good dogo from good lines will IMO out perform a bulldog. I ran bulldogs for years and have now switched to DOGOs due to how I hunt and their size. JOJO do some research on the dogos before making statements you know little about. There is no pit or bulldog as we know it in the dogo. In fact here is a link explaining how they bred and came up with the DOGO. http://www.dogousa.org/DACA/history_of_the_dogo.asp dont sound fair to me the way you put it.......what about a good bulldog from good lines vs a dogo...now...lol bulldog vs dogo ....on a bad boar one on one who will cur out....enough said-give me the bulldog... if you need bigger get a great dane Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: make-em-squeel on May 13, 2010, 04:15:00 pm The pit has been line bred to do one thing for a long time that makes it catch on easy to hog hunting as we typically use them as a cd. The dogo is a relatively new breed compared to a pit or ab and was not bred to be a catch dog originally they were bred to hunt and be catchy like some curs but not like a pit. Over the next 20 yrs or so more people will water down the dogo breed for show and others like us will turn them into a basic pit type catch dog with better lungs and anchoring weight in general. I really like both breeds but lean towards my dogo;s however i think you will find more dogo culls now b/c it is such a young breed, your comparing apples to oranges , but if you want a good dogo send me a pm and get on the waiting list ;)
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: make-em-squeel on May 13, 2010, 04:28:31 pm bignasty i assure there are plenty of dogos out of hunting lines that have no quit- same as a bulldog. I'll be happy to show you if its ever conveniant for us. We just have to keep these novelty breeders away, thats why pits are so game ... decades of line breeding for one reason! dogos are only a baby compared to the AB much less the pit.
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Scott on May 13, 2010, 04:45:48 pm dogos are only a baby compared to the AB much less the pit. In relation to the APBT yes, I agree. In relation to the AB...not so much. As far as the Dogo breeders go, I'd want to know quite a few things before I'd put my name on a waiting list. Things like: 1. How long have they been breeding Dogos 2. Do they actively work/test their breeding stock 3. How many litters have they whelped 4. Total number of pups produced, and how many have been placed in hunting homes 5. How many culls (in other words turn out percentage of each litter) and those are just 5 quick, off the top of my head. As with any working breed, don't believe any fantastic stories. If it sounds too good to be true....most often, it is. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: hoghunterdfw on May 13, 2010, 04:46:05 pm I own a good dogo so I guess I can't chime in cause I am bias. However all this talk and speculation makes me want to just break this down Mythbusters style out in the woods and finally put this arguement to rest. anyone with a well bred pit out of solid A++ lines want to get in the woods and run him against my dogo let me know. Of course due to the (individual dog being better than his breed standard and maybe not a good representation of said breed) arguement, it will not be determined by just one outing with 2 dogs but several outings with a variety of both pits and dogos. maybe one day someone will organize an event and set this up with pit and dogo hunters and we will know for sure definitely which one is best for the typical East texas hog dogger. Until then everyone has their own likes and dislikes and styles but the way me and Grant hunt, dogos are the dogs for us.
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: 3-Bdogs on May 13, 2010, 04:54:29 pm still don't think that would settle it to many factors would have to be put in into it plus your never goin to make every hog hunter agree on anything except that they love hog hunting lol
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Scott on May 13, 2010, 04:55:36 pm I own a good dogo so I guess I can't chime in cause I am bias. However all this talk and speculation makes me want to just break this down Mythbusters style out in the woods and finally put this arguement to rest. anyone with a well bred pit out of solid A++ lines want to get in the woods and run him against my dogo let me know. Of course due to the (individual dog being better than his breed standard and maybe not a good representation of said breed) arguement, it will not be determined by just one outing with 2 dogs but several outings with a variety of both pits and dogos. maybe one day someone will organize an event and set this up with pit and dogo hunters and we will know for sure definitely which one is best for the typical East texas hog dogger. Until then everyone has their own likes and dislikes and styles but the way me and Grant hunt, dogos are the dogs for us. The dogs will be judged by whom, and against what criteria? ??? Basically, you got it right in the last sentence of your post...it's all personal preference. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: S_J_KENNELS on May 13, 2010, 05:29:42 pm still don't think that would settle it to many factors would have to be put in into it plus your never goin to make every hog hunter agree on anything except that they love hog hunting lol AMEN......but then it does make a good arguement/discussion. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Lone Star 88 on May 13, 2010, 05:37:27 pm I have a Am Staff male 63 lb 19" tall he is a gladiator. Has a problem with male dogs, i will work that out. But hunting, it's all about hitting that hog. I sent him to Joe at ushogoutfitters. I did this so when i first let him go he would know what his job was, and not some free for all. First hunt the hog broke the bay. I yelled at him to get that hog and he caught her on the run. And then it was a free for all for all the dogs nice 250 lb sow with small cutters. One dog down. I was real proud of him. He was a stray, i have vet bills just to get him healthy. I've had him for 9 mon. Get a lot of strays were i live in Dallas. They are now 8 catch dogs and loven life.
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: dub on May 13, 2010, 07:16:57 pm I do not care about any breed. If I do not like the personality I do not want the dog. If the dog attacks the pig I do not want it. Any dog I have my little girl can pet or I do not want it. But you do what you want. You get the dogs you want to hunt the way you want. That is why there are so many breeds of hunting dogs. My opinion some dogs will run down and catch a hog, but I want one that walks down and catches them all. What breed? Who cares?
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: gottagettem on May 13, 2010, 08:00:26 pm i got sum pits . and a bulldog...they hunt ... but they ware down quick..in the heat... i heard dogos last longer then the others... iwant to get a dogo. and i think i found a guy that knows alot about them and said he will sell me one. and if it culls out .to bring it back and he will swopp it out...that a good business man.. there.... standing behind hes dogs and pups.... pits can be found a dime a dozen.. no body wants to spend that much on sumthing and it not work out... feels like u got ripped off if it dont work out....all dogs just need time and work thow......just my two cents
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: HIGHWATER KENNELS on May 13, 2010, 08:24:21 pm In a perfect hog huntin world, where the hog bays and you are able to walk or ride to within 200 yards of the bay whether it be winter or summer, and the pits are sent in and they will seal the deal. I have not had the opportunity to even hunt with a dogo yet, but i can tell you that I have seen many of times where I was NOT in a perfect situation and the boar hog broke before the catch dogs got there and guess what, well you end up with empty pockets cause the hog dont want to stop again and the pits run out of air a half a mile from you. I believe then, a dog with the HUNT, STAMINA , and Nose to run with the strike dogs to catch up and stop that hog would probally put a smile on my face, instead of gettin the case of the RED A**. Maybe one day I will have the opportunity to see if the DOGO breed walks the walk in those situations and I will then have one of my own.....
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: TieEmUpOrLeaveEm on May 13, 2010, 10:42:40 pm We Perfer the pit. I have seen 3 dogos catch and Imo they dont have the features I like. I have a dogo I tried a gyp and she will swap holds. Im not knockin no ones dogs there are good and bad in all breeds. I have been hunting the same line of pits for 12 yrs and my grandpa longer. Why change what works ;)
And for those that say a pit dont have stanima and burn out easy I have seen ours stay in a race 2 hrs in july! And for the nose they have it also have had them strike out of the box, boat, and wheeler. I dont like the short game breed pits, I can ride mine with any male dog on my place! They are calm and have very good handle. They are 100% head dogs if they catch anywhere else I cull them! And we have very very few culls! I have had them catch shoults at 6 to 8 weeks old :o Here is a few. Buck And Ringo (http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac79/TieEmUpOrLeaveEm/triptoal009.jpg) Ringo (http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac79/TieEmUpOrLeaveEm/Hogpen013.jpg) Trouble JR (http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac79/TieEmUpOrLeaveEm/kemmer003.jpg) Girdy (http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac79/TieEmUpOrLeaveEm/SDC13169.jpg) Hammer (http://i887.photobucket.com/albums/ac79/TieEmUpOrLeaveEm/SDC13180.jpg) Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: UNDERDOG on May 13, 2010, 11:22:01 pm I dont like the short game breed pits, That is a misconception,most game bred dogs are not short and or squatty....the blue/hippo/pet junk maybe but the old,good game dogs typically have plenty of leg some look just like you Buck dog. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: ppc dogos on May 14, 2010, 07:10:34 am We have had dogos for more than 20 years now and send quite a lot to hunters all over the world, we generally hear that they prefer the dogo because of his very friendly temperament and intelligens.
As a pure catch dog there is not much different than the weight comparing dogo to pit. And sometimes this more weight are good to have when wrestling a bigger boar. If you hunt with dogo on the ground you will see the other qualities of the breed. They are quite easy to stock break, social in the pack, and are intelligent hunters with good nose. They are in general easy to handle, soft to the owner and do not need a hard hand. Dogos are very trustful to man, should never be or made agressive. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: bignasty on May 14, 2010, 07:48:42 am In a perfect hog huntin world, where the hog bays and you are able to walk or ride to within 200 yards of the bay whether it be winter or summer, and the pits are sent in and they will seal the deal. I have not had the opportunity to even hunt with a dogo yet, but i can tell you that I have seen many of times where I was NOT in a perfect situation and the boar hog broke before the catch dogs got there and guess what, well you end up with empty pockets cause the hog dont want to stop again and the pits run out of air a half a mile from you. I believe then, a dog with the HUNT, STAMINA , and Nose to run with the strike dogs to catch up and stop that hog would probally put a smile on my face, instead of gettin the case of the RED A**. Maybe one day I will have the opportunity to see if the DOGO breed walks the walk in those situations and I will then have one of my own..... run out of air 1/2 mile from you ? i dont know what kind of pit you got but that is sad Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: duece24 on May 14, 2010, 07:55:58 am i've seen a pit cur out on a 150lbs sow that had some fight(my bluetick ended up catching it), i've only hunted behind ushog's dogo's and they have never quit ON ANY SIZE hog. there are good and bad in all breeds. it's simply personal preference and how much money you want to spend. it is also who you get the dogs from.
hunt what works for you. i have a dogo now i love her, easy to walk in the woods, minds real well and catches like she is supposed to. there are many pits that do the same. i love both breeds, i just wanted a dogo so i got one. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: bignasty on May 14, 2010, 08:27:09 am yea well i seen a 70 lb sow shake 2 full grown 100 lb dogos off and slip off into the night and the dogos could not find the hog again O0
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Hog Dog Mike on May 14, 2010, 08:55:36 am I hunted with a guy one time that had 2 or 3 dogos. He had been hunting alot down in south Texas and the dogs were scarred up pretty bad. Also all of them had some sort of skin problem. I don't know if they are all like this or not. They did OK on the hunt but not any better than most pits and not nearly as good as alot of pits I have hunted.
Another guy that I hunt with alot got a dogo on a package deal where a guy was selling everything--dogs, boxes, leads, vests, everything. He got a cross bred redbone hound that was a damn good dog. The dogo was OK but I think he was way past his prime when he got him. We hunted him until he died of natural causes. He was a good catch dog, got along well with other dogs, but was not a great catch dog. I don't think I have seen enough of them to have ever seen a really good one. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: make-em-squeel on May 14, 2010, 05:26:51 pm dogos are only a baby compared to the AB much less the pit. In relation to the APBT yes, I agree. In relation to the AB...not so much What is there to agree about? Its a fact the pit is an older dog than the AB and the Ab is much older than the dogo. Catching a hog in a pen was part of the AB's original requirement to get papered, this was changed before any of us in America even knew what a dogo was. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: make-em-squeel on May 14, 2010, 05:29:00 pm i've seen a pit cur out on a 150lbs sow that had some fight(my bluetick ended up catching it), i've only hunted behind ushog's dogo's and they have never quit ON ANY SIZE hog. there are good and bad in all breeds. it's simply personal preference and how much money you want to spend. it is also who you get the dogs from. x2 well saidhunt what works for you. i have a dogo now i love her, easy to walk in the woods, minds real well and catches like she is supposed to. there are many pits that do the same. i love both breeds, i just wanted a dogo so i got one. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Scott on May 14, 2010, 07:25:11 pm "What is there to agree about? Its a fact the pit is an older dog than the AB and the Ab is much older than the dogo. Catching a hog in a pen was part of the AB's original requirement to get papered, this was changed before any of us in America even knew what a dogo was." Can you show me where that requirement was that the AB catch a hog in a pen to be registered? That's news to me. The AB was first registered around 1970 by the NKC. The Dogo was registered by the FCA in 1964 and by the FCI in 1973. There are many differences in phenotype and temperament in the "breed" American Bulldog due the "vision" of various breeders over the past 40 years. The Johnson dogs are very different from the Performance dogs (Koura, LeClerc, Lichtardt, etc) and both are different from the Painter/Scott type. And then you have the "hybrids". There is a wide variety of strains of AB other than the three mentioned above. The truth is, that when looking at the entire breed...it's still very much a work in progress. So, it is very much a debatable point that the "AB is much older than the Dogo"... Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: ETHHunters on May 14, 2010, 07:27:59 pm I guess you could say I have limited expereince with pitbulls. I have been hoghunting with them for about 8 years and owned them as pets for about 12. I have NEVER had one that was aggresive or untrustworthy. And as far as them not being intellegent that is a huge misconception. They are very smart and easy to train for anything not just as a catchdog.
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: TieEmUpOrLeaveEm on May 14, 2010, 10:38:28 pm I dont like the short game breed pits, That is a misconception,most game bred dogs are not short and or squatty....the blue/hippo/pet junk maybe but the old,good game dogs typically have plenty of leg some look just like you Buck dog. Like I said. I dont like the SHORT GAME BREED DOGS. And thats is not a misconception (where I live) Most of the gamebreed in this area is short, small frame fighting dogs. Not my thing not my style. I cull catch dogs just as hard as I do baydogs. Like I said JMO ;) Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: ppc dogos on May 16, 2010, 04:01:21 am Ofcourse some dogos are not healthy, like in any other breed there is a lot of breeders who do not give a sh...and breed what ever they have in their yard. Unfortunately.
A good dogo would be able to run up a boar on the break, seen it several times with my own eyes. A good dogo would track, find and catch a boar. But there are A LOT of breeders of the dogo who have a lot of words in their mouth, instead of proving. So watch out. Marvin Garrett, is the man with most experience hunting with dogos here imo. Contact him and you will hear what his experiences are with the breed. Birgitte Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: ETHHunters on May 16, 2010, 09:01:15 am A good dogo would be able to run up a boar on the break, seen it several times with my own eyes. A good dogo would track, find and catch a boar. Birgitte Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: bayed up on May 16, 2010, 09:10:27 am I think Ultimately its whatever u like and want to feed, with that being said I like a good hard mouth 50 to 65 lb leggy pit. All of my pits can ride in the box with the baydogs and don't fight which is a must. I also have a really good Ab and had a good dogo(RIP). They all are good dogs with the right breeding and proper training. I think pits sometimes get a bad wrap though. just my 2 cents lol
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: HIGHWATER KENNELS on May 16, 2010, 11:19:05 pm Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: raider54 on May 17, 2010, 12:01:09 am The pit has been line bred to do one thing for a long time that makes it catch on easy to hog hunting as we typically use them as a cd. The dogo is a relatively new breed compared to a pit or ab and was not bred to be a catch dog originally they were bred to hunt and be catchy like some curs but not like a pit. Over the next 20 yrs or so more people will water down the dogo breed for show and others like us will turn them into a basic pit type catch dog with better lungs and anchoring weight in general. I really like both breeds but lean towards my dogo;s however i think you will find more dogo culls now b/c it is such a young breed, your comparing apples to oranges , but if you want a good dogo send me a pm and get on the waiting list ;) hey Grant how do I get on your waiting list?Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: raider54 on May 17, 2010, 12:08:56 am dogos are only a baby compared to the AB much less the pit. In relation to the APBT yes, I agree. In relation to the AB...not so much. As far as the Dogo breeders go, I'd want to know quite a few things before I'd put my name on a waiting list. Things like: 1. How long have they been breeding Dogos 2. Do they actively work/test their breeding stock 3. How many litters have they whelped 4. Total number of pups produced, and how many have been placed in hunting homes 5. How many culls (in other words turn out percentage of each litter) and those are just 5 quick, off the top of my head. As with any working breed, don't believe any fantastic stories. If it sounds too good to be true....most often, it is. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: raider54 on May 17, 2010, 12:11:46 am I own a good dogo so I guess I can't chime in cause I am bias. However all this talk and speculation makes me want to just break this down Mythbusters style out in the woods and finally put this arguement to rest. anyone with a well bred pit out of solid A++ lines want to get in the woods and run him against my dogo let me know. Of course due to the (individual dog being better than his breed standard and maybe not a good representation of said breed) arguement, it will not be determined by just one outing with 2 dogs but several outings with a variety of both pits and dogos. maybe one day someone will organize an event and set this up with pit and dogo hunters and we will know for sure definitely which one is best for the typical East texas hog dogger. Until then everyone has their own likes and dislikes and styles but the way me and Grant hunt, dogos are the dogs for us. Vinney, can I be on your team with Max?Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: raider54 on May 17, 2010, 12:21:37 am In a perfect hog huntin world, where the hog bays and you are able to walk or ride to within 200 yards of the bay whether it be winter or summer, and the pits are sent in and they will seal the deal. I have not had the opportunity to even hunt with a dogo yet, but i can tell you that I have seen many of times where I was NOT in a perfect situation and the boar hog broke before the catch dogs got there and guess what, well you end up with empty pockets cause the hog dont want to stop again and the pits run out of air a half a mile from you. I believe then, a dog with the HUNT, STAMINA , and Nose to run with the strike dogs to catch up and stop that hog would probally put a smile on my face, instead of gettin the case of the RED A**. Maybe one day I will have the opportunity to see if the DOGO breed walks the walk in those situations and I will then have one of my own..... run out of air 1/2 mile from you ? i dont know what kind of pit you got but that is sad Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: raider54 on May 17, 2010, 12:25:24 am yea well i seen a 70 lb sow shake 2 full grown 100 lb dogos off and slip off into the night and the dogos could not find the hog again O0 sounds like a hater to me >:( Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: raider54 on May 17, 2010, 12:32:20 am I guess you could say I have limited expereince with pitbulls. I have been hoghunting with them for about 8 years and owned them as pets for about 12. I have NEVER had one that was aggresive or untrustworthy. And as far as them not being intellegent that is a huge misconception. They are very smart and easy to train for anything not just as a catchdog. PPC'S comment was not that the Pits are un-intelligent! He said the Dogo's were prefered by many because of thier level of intelligence.Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: cantexduck on May 17, 2010, 08:00:08 am 500 or more does not make sense to me or most other hunters for a catch dog puppy. If breeders are ut to make better dogs then why charge that much for pup?
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Scott on May 17, 2010, 08:39:37 am dogos are only a baby compared to the AB much less the pit. In relation to the APBT yes, I agree. In relation to the AB...not so much. As far as the Dogo breeders go, I'd want to know quite a few things before I'd put my name on a waiting list. Things like: 1. How long have they been breeding Dogos 2. Do they actively work/test their breeding stock 3. How many litters have they whelped 4. Total number of pups produced, and how many have been placed in hunting homes 5. How many culls (in other words turn out percentage of each litter) and those are just 5 quick, off the top of my head. As with any working breed, don't believe any fantastic stories. If it sounds too good to be true....most often, it is. I don't know how many would go through that list for an APBT, but I would...for any breed/pup/dog that I was interested in. Not sure which AB comment you are referring to? But, it sounds like you have a pretty good dog there. And since you are recommending PPC Dogos....here's an example of what I'm referring to regarding the aforementioned questions. Here's a quote from PPC Dogos from another board: "we have selected very hard on temperament and health in 20 years, we send 25 dogs out to hunters, and NOT one of them failed or had to be culled." IMO, there's quite a few questions that arise from that statement.... Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: USHOG on May 17, 2010, 09:12:45 am 500 or more does not make sense to me or most other hunters for a catch dog puppy. If breeders are ut to make better dogs then why charge that much for pup? It is very expensive to import dogos to this country much less the time and energy it takes to find the ones you want. I could never charge what I payed for my Dogos to other people but I also know what I have and am not going to just allow anyone to have them. I would say you are getting a good deal for that price on a pup if it is from a good line. A finished dogo sells for $3000 + around here. I understand that some think that is a lot of money but that is a drop in the bucket for what I have seen bay pen dogs sell for. $125,000 for a dog that doesn't hunt. Now that is expensive Dogos are not for everyone that is for sure. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: ppc dogos on May 17, 2010, 10:39:46 am Ushog, that is a fine bunch of Dogos you got!
What lines are behind your dogs? Bring on the questions, Scott, I will answer them as good as I can. B Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: USHOG on May 17, 2010, 12:12:42 pm pm sent
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Scott on May 17, 2010, 07:30:52 pm Bring on the questions, Scott, I will answer them as good as I can. B I guess the 5 questions in the earlier post is a good place to start, so here they are: 1. How long have they been breeding Dogos 2. Do they actively work/test their breeding stock 3. How many litters have they whelped 4. Total number of pups produced, and how many have been placed in hunting homes 5. How many culls (in other words turn out percentage of each litter) Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: ppc dogos on May 18, 2010, 06:49:02 am 1. How long have they been breeding Dogos - since 1991.
2. Do they actively work/test their breeding stock: yes, under the limited possibilities we have here in Europe ( the dogo is not allowed to hunt with in EU countries here), therefore we also value a lot the feedback we get from the hunters who work the dogs they get from us. These are hunters in Sweden, Korea, Usa, and South Africa. 3. How many litters have they whelped - I joined with Peter in 1999 and in these 11 years we made 24 litters. 4. Total number of pups produced, and how many have been placed in hunting homes - in those 11 years around 170 pups: we kept ourselves 14, 6 is with other hunters, 18 with breeders. We send our first dogo to a hunter in 2005, Recado to Marvin Garrett, so out of the litters from 2005-2010, 25 left to boar hunters. Back in 1994 Peter started testing his dogs. 5. How many culls (in other words turn out percentage of each litter): can not say, since there are many who are not hunted or tested on a boar, the rest of the dogs are living as family members, with people who work them in obedience, tracking, sweiss, rescuework. But I can say as I did before, all the dogs we selected for the hunters are working as the owner want him to, and the ones we tested ourselves and hunted ourselves are very well functionning. We have 5 generations of our blood in our kennel, we had most of the dogs in the pedigree in our hands, we know our dogs in and out. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: make-em-squeel on May 18, 2010, 09:33:45 am Besides the fact that they guaranteed me the dog, everything they said was completely true about her not just her catching, but everthing. They really know their dogs and there reputation is as good as it is b/c they simply stand behind there word. Every ppc dogo i have seen from them catches and likes to work. Proof is in the pudding. They lost $ off the dog they got to me and did it just so she would have the chance to come to a working home, I have the upmost respect for people like that, we seem to be putting them under a microscope b/c of the price it costs them to get a dog into the states, imagine if the shoes were reversed.
Bridgitte and Peter yall need to move down here to Tx or La. and put an end to this crap before the USA is as socialized as europe and there will be no more hunting. And Scott muleman can give you all the facts about how an ab used to have to catch a pig in an arena and do severel other working traits before it got papered, I saw it on the i-net as well but dont care enough to take the time to look it up again, it was cool though it got out lawed in the 60's I believe but ask him he has to know that stuff for his job. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Scott on May 18, 2010, 10:20:21 am Thanks Birgitte. You see, with that kind of information, anyone who is interested in your dogs now has some basic foundational knowledge of your breeding program.
And Scott muleman can give you all the facts about how an ab used to have to catch a pig in an arena and do severel other working traits before it got papered, I saw it on the i-net as well but dont care enough to take the time to look it up again, it was cool though it got out lawed in the 60's I believe but ask him he has to know that stuff for his job. Please don't take this a a slight. But, why would I want to speak to muleman when I can speak (have spoken) to Alan Scott or Joe Painter. Alan, along with John D. Johnson were the gentlemen who first registered the breed. Joe Painter was also heavily involved with the dogs back then. They were first registered as American Pit Bulldogs. Joe was the one that suggested the name change to American Bulldog so as to avoid confusion with the APBT. Catch comps were outlawed just within the past 5-6 years. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: ppc dogos on May 18, 2010, 01:49:12 pm Maybe a bit off topic, but thought I would share some fotos from the dogs who are working in South Africa. They are owned by a professional big game hunter and breeder of big game hounds for more than 40 years. He is a living legend. We have send 3 dogos to him. I must say, that working together with this guy, has given us tons of valuable informations. It is the most interesting project we ever participated in. We are joining him hunting in march, will be great to see the dogs working.
Here are some fotos from him, I am very impressed about his hounds. He also has a pack of blue ticks in northern USA for mountain lion hunting, in feb and march he was hunting for a month in the states. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/Birgpet/IMG_5677.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/Birgpet/L1000069.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/Birgpet/Pennti163.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/Birgpet/Pennti213.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/Birgpet/bb.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/Birgpet/IMG_5661.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v600/Birgpet/er.jpg) Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: make-em-squeel on May 18, 2010, 03:05:17 pm wow that is aweaome! I wish i could make that trip, Do they catch those cats? Or just put the added pressure necessarry to get them up a tree? Very cool...Thanks for sharing
Is that where Galen is? If I remember right my pups dad is in africa. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: ppc dogos on May 19, 2010, 12:46:50 am The dogos work on the leopard/lion hunts is to put pressure on the cats and to avoid danger to the hunters, meaning going in situations where the cat jump.
The foto where you see Zodiac had a battle, she took the leopard in one of those situations, that day Theunis said, she earned her food for the rest of her life. Galan is here with us, but Zodiac is a half sister to your dog, Galan is her father too. One of the other females he has is also half sister to your dog, same mother. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Tomball Dogos on May 19, 2010, 08:46:51 pm I have both and I will say it is hard to beat a good pit but I dont to worry about my dogo with other dogs my pit will not start a fight but good luck getting him off if happens and dont worry about my dogo over heating like a pit I have seen big hogs drag my pit thru the woods never with my dogo I like dogos alot better that just me
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: leonriverboy on May 19, 2010, 09:08:38 pm A few months ago a buddy and me had a 300 lb boar bayed he had two mature dogos that were running with the pack and I was leading my 100 lb. Pit Duce. When we got to the bay the dogos went in and both got their a$$e$ kicked off. They actually ran pasted us looking for the tall grass. Well I turned the man loose and like always he downed that big boar on seconds. I have seen the dogos catch some big hogs but I've also seen them quit. Duce my pit has never quit, never been whipped and the only thing a hog does when he gets a hold of him is squeel. No dog or human agression minds perfect and don't even have to use a lead. Dogo vs pit give me a good pit any day!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Mike on May 19, 2010, 09:38:11 pm It's kinda like Ford vs Chevy... it's whatever you like to drive. ;D There's good ones, great ones and pure junk in both breeds.
Here's my take and experience on dogos, i've had the pleasure/displeasure to hunt with quite a few them. People started seeing $$$ on the puppy sales and it all went downhill from there. Then you had a bunch of culls being passed around and bred... producing more culls. For example, dogs that won't catch, hearing problems, severe skin problems, etc... But these dogs weren't culled, just passed around and the cycle continued. Why? Cause they're dogos...$$$. Fast forward to now, you see a bunch of dogos running around, that ain't all dogo... a few snakes in the wood pile along the way. :o Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: FireWater on May 19, 2010, 09:49:03 pm "ppc dogos" thanks for the photo's that is bad a**....
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: raider54 on May 19, 2010, 10:07:10 pm Bring on the questions, Scott, I will answer them as good as I can. B I guess the 5 questions in the earlier post is a good place to start, so here they are: 1. How long have they been breeding Dogos 2. Do they actively work/test their breeding stock 3. How many litters have they whelped 4. Total number of pups produced, and how many have been placed in hunting homes 5. How many culls (in other words turn out percentage of each litter) Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: chopper on May 19, 2010, 11:32:39 pm 500 or more does not make sense to me or most other hunters for a catch dog puppy. If breeders are ut to make better dogs then why charge that much for pup? It is very expensive to import dogos to this country much less the time and energy it takes to find the ones you want. I could never charge what I payed for my Dogos to other people but I also know what I have and am not going to just allow anyone to have them. I would say you are getting a good deal for that price on a pup if it is from a good line. A finished dogo sells for $3000 + around here. I understand that some think that is a lot of money but that is a drop in the bucket for what I have seen bay pen dogs sell for. $125,000 for a dog that doesn't hunt. Now that is expensive Dogos are not for everyone that is for sure. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: ppc dogos on May 20, 2010, 01:50:41 am :) I can not see anywhere I said Dogos are better than pits! In fact I said that the only thing in different as a pure catch dog is the weight.
I totally agree with the person who said that there is a lot of S..around, Dogos who do not catch is not a dogo, simple and clear. I also think that it is a much better change to get a good catchdog if you choose to buy a average pit than a average dogo, if you want to have a good dogo you need to do a lot more research. There is way to many breeders who breed for exteriour only. B Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Scott on May 20, 2010, 08:18:19 am Bring on the questions, Scott, I will answer them as good as I can. B I guess the 5 questions in the earlier post is a good place to start, so here they are: 1. How long have they been breeding Dogos 2. Do they actively work/test their breeding stock 3. How many litters have they whelped 4. Total number of pups produced, and how many have been placed in hunting homes 5. How many culls (in other words turn out percentage of each litter) I already answered, but I'll say it again as well. Yes, I do. The old dogmen I deal with when I want or need an APBT can give you more information about each individual dog they own/breed spanning multiple decades. What's more, they are very selective on who they allow own a pup/dog of theirs. And, no, if you can get a dog from them...you aren't going to spend that kind of coin. Do I think that the majority of hunters would ask those questions regarding any dog/pup they are interested in? Not in a chance. Either way, I think prudent to ask questions before you spend your hard earned money. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: TX HOG on May 20, 2010, 09:54:16 am This is my dogo pup from Joe. She hasn't had any health problems and hated a hog a couple minutes after she saw her first one. That's as far as my experience goes with dogos. And no. She doesn't stay inside.
I've had pits that were pure athletes and ones that just looked like they were. (http://) Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: KevinO. on May 20, 2010, 12:17:18 pm I see it posted all the time about a hog not walking or dragging a dogo around in the woods and I kinda shake my head each time. I typically hunt a couple of curs and one lead in catch dog, that dog just happens to be a dogo right now. I've hunted both and owned both pits and dogos but I'm here to tell you a full grown boar hog (250lbs) can drag one dogo all over the place. It doesn't matter how he catches, ear, snout, jaw, front leg, straddles the hog, pulls on the ear, shakes or stands put.....it's going to drag that dog around. Now I don't think he's going to run off with a dogo hanging on his ear like he may with a 40lb pit but that pit will still be locked, if he's a good one, until the end just like a good dogo should be.
But to say a hog can't drag a dogo around is bull honkey. On the other hand two good dogos can probably secure most any hog if they catch and hold, just like two bulldogs should be able to. Just my opinion. I like the dogo but they aren't for everyone and they aren't the perfect cure all catch dog. ;D Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Mike on May 20, 2010, 12:31:01 pm I see it posted all the time about a hog not walking or dragging a dogo around in the woods and I kinda shake my head each time. I typically hunt a couple of curs and one lead in catch dog, that dog just happens to be a dogo right now. I've hunted both and owned both pits and dogos but I'm here to tell you a full grown boar hog (250lbs) can drag one dogo all over the place. It doesn't matter how he catches, ear, snout, jaw, front leg, straddles the hog, pulls on the ear, shakes or stands put.....it's going to drag that dog around. Now I don't think he's going to run off with a dogo hanging on his ear like he may with a 40lb pit but that pit will still be locked, if he's a good one, until the end just like a good dogo should be. But to say a hog can't drag a dogo around is bull honkey. On the other hand two good dogos can probably secure most any hog if they catch and hold, just like two bulldogs should be able to. Just my opinion. I like the dogo but they aren't for everyone and they aren't the perfect cure all catch dog. ;D ;D ;D ;D Kevin, you hit the nail on the head! A dog is no match for a hog. A good, rank boar will have it's way with any catchdog... period. You just better hope your dog can hang on for the ride. :o Sure, there's a bunch of hogs that will stand there and take it... but there's a bunch that won't. ;D Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: 3-Bdogs on May 20, 2010, 12:33:57 pm kevin thanks for clearin that but one thing i have been wondering is how much do dogo weight on a average cause i hear ppl talkin about pits weightin like 30 to 40 pounds and i must say y'all have tiny dogs i raise pits and can't say i have raised one that light i do know there are some out there that small but just curious on how much a average dogo weighs ?
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on May 20, 2010, 12:47:06 pm kevin thanks for clearin that but one thing i have been wondering is how much do dogo weight on a average cause i hear ppl talkin about pits weightin like 30 to 40 pounds and i must say y'all have tiny dogs i raise pits and can't say i have raised one that light i do know there are some out there that small but just curious on how much a average dogo weighs ? The pits I have had (limited #) weighed 60-75#'s. I think a good mature male dogo will go 110# on average. If I am not mistaken, they are along the same lines size wise of most American bulldogs. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: 3-Bdogs on May 20, 2010, 12:57:27 pm cutter bay that's my average weight on my pits to but have had a few go 90 and know one that ways 120 right now of course he is a little heavy but would not call him obese
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: USHOG on May 20, 2010, 01:22:19 pm I have seen many catch dogs get walked around. Dogos, ABs, pits, Cats, and Ridge Backs. It is not practical to say that a 75 pound animal can control another animal that out weighs it by 4 or 5 or even 6 times bigger. Last week I watched my pit weighing 70 pounds look like an ear ring. He could not stop the barr in fact the barr ran as fast as he could with Pulo dangling as he did without him. I sent in another CD which was an AB and it was over. I don't think either dog could have done the job without the help of the other unless they got lucky. The barr weighed 411 pounds and was stopped very quickly once both CDs where on the ear. Here is a picture of the barr
(http://www.ushogoutfitters.com/images/120.JPG) Average weight on my dogos is 70 to 85 pounds. I have never seen one bigger but I am sure they are out there. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Mike on May 20, 2010, 01:31:01 pm That's a dang good barr Joe!
I hear a lot of people say those big, fat barrs are easy to catch... most of them have never caught a barr. Big barr hogs like that have been the worst i've been on as far a tossing, slinging and wrecking dogs... they remember what happened last time they were caught and ain't going down without a fight. :o Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: 3-Bdogs on May 20, 2010, 01:41:41 pm ushog nice hog and i agree with you just that allot of ppl act like dogo hold a hog better because they have a few more pounds that doesn't make a difference on big hogs as stated earlier i prefer pits cause i raise em and that's what i like so at the end of the day its all preference because a pit ab or dogo can all get it done
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: S_J_KENNELS on May 20, 2010, 01:59:13 pm I dunno about the weight so much as I prefer the leg on one. I have seen many pits and some ABs that dangled off big hogs ears, but have yet to see a DOGO have to do that. That is why I prefer them. A big hog can and will drag one dogo or any catchdog for that matter. Some hogs can do it with two or more(seen with own eyes and have witnesses) but most of the time those dogs do not have the leg under them a dogo does to plant and hold with. I have seen many a pit jump up and grab an ear, ball up, and hang on for the ride. Same with some of the ABs I have hunted with. I have yet to see that with a dogo. Again each to their own and preferance. I prefer DOGOS for their leg and ability to run with the curs and ability to handle the heat better then most bulldogs. That is my preferance. As I turn loose from where ever I hear the bay/catch at and run in behind the dogs. I do not lead in and need dogs that can handle their own untill I get there.
What I want to see is these super catchdogs that folks claim to have that can hold any hog by themselfs on a big boar/hog without human help right away. Let them run in from a distance and see if they do not get dragged from the orginal catch site or worse. Not saying they can not do it, but I have my doubts that they can. Atleast not without the handler/hunter being right there to help them. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: 3-Bdogs on May 20, 2010, 02:05:48 pm sj i am with on seein those dogs ppl talk about that are superior dogs that can hold a 400 + hog as still as a wall with one dog
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: S_J_KENNELS on May 20, 2010, 02:10:05 pm sj i am with on seein those dogs ppl talk about that are superior dogs that can hold a 400 + hog as still as a wall with one dog If and when I can find one I can get rid of all but two or three dogs(two strike/bay, and supercatch) and cut back on my food bill LOL. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: 3-Bdogs on May 20, 2010, 02:12:48 pm lol if you do find one clone it and put a patent on it you could get rich :) lol
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: S_J_KENNELS on May 20, 2010, 02:25:34 pm lol if you do find one clone it and put a patent on it you could get rich :) lol LOL nah I would not get rich as I would not charge an arm an leg for one. I aint after $$$$$$$$ just dead hogs LOL. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: cantexduck on May 20, 2010, 03:04:25 pm us hog,
I thought you ran all dogos? 3-B, You got some big pits. Have any pics you can post? A pissed off hog is gonna throw around anything. Size helps. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: raider54 on May 20, 2010, 03:48:05 pm Bring on the questions, Scott, I will answer them as good as I can. B I guess the 5 questions in the earlier post is a good place to start, so here they are: 1. How long have they been breeding Dogos 2. Do they actively work/test their breeding stock 3. How many litters have they whelped 4. Total number of pups produced, and how many have been placed in hunting homes 5. How many culls (in other words turn out percentage of each litter) I already answered, but I'll say it again as well. Yes, I do. The old dogmen I deal with when I want or need an APBT can give you more information about each individual dog they own/breed spanning multiple decades. What's more, they are very selective on who they allow own a pup/dog of theirs. And, no, if you can get a dog from them...you aren't going to spend that kind of coin. Do I think that the majority of hunters would ask those questions regarding any dog/pup they are interested in? Not in a chance. Either way, I think prudent to ask questions before you spend your hard earned money. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: Kyle0329 on May 20, 2010, 03:54:53 pm i have to disagree on the size helps...i think a cd weather its 30lbs or 80lbs it can only hold a hog so long...i think its up to the hunter to help the dog out as fast as posible...when i let my cd go iam usually looking at the hog and iam right behind her when i cut her loose i dont give the hog a chance to drag her off...i dont think there is a dog out there that is going to hold a big hog for along period of time without getting tierd and drug around the longer you take to help your dog out the more of a chance you take on getting it cut or even worse killed
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: raider54 on May 20, 2010, 04:03:04 pm Bring on the questions, Scott, I will answer them as good as I can. B I guess the 5 questions in the earlier post is a good place to start, so here they are: 1. How long have they been breeding Dogos 2. Do they actively work/test their breeding stock 3. How many litters have they whelped 4. Total number of pups produced, and how many have been placed in hunting homes 5. How many culls (in other words turn out percentage of each litter) I already answered, but I'll say it again as well. Yes, I do. The old dogmen I deal with when I want or need an APBT can give you more information about each individual dog they own/breed spanning multiple decades. What's more, they are very selective on who they allow own a pup/dog of theirs. And, no, if you can get a dog from them...you aren't going to spend that kind of coin. Do I think that the majority of hunters would ask those questions regarding any dog/pup they are interested in? Not in a chance. Either way, I think prudent to ask questions before you spend your hard earned money. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: matt_aggie04 on May 20, 2010, 04:28:54 pm I have been reading along here and I just find it comical how strongly some people feel. I have been on message boards for around 6-7 years and everytime I see a VS thread I crenge because nothing ever becomes of it. There are five pages here of nothing more than opinion, I might as well be writing about the weather or politics. Nobody is going to persuade anyone or win them over. Everybody just feed what you like, take pride in it and take care of it.....my .02
Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: S_J_KENNELS on May 20, 2010, 04:31:34 pm I have been reading along here and I just find it comical how strongly some people feel. I have been on message boards for around 6-7 years and everytime I see a VS thread I crenge because nothing ever becomes of it. There are five pages here of nothing more than opinion, I might as well be writing about the weather or politics. Nobody is going to persuade anyone or win them over. Everybody just feed what you like, take pride in it and take care of it.....my .02 Come on Matt you know it makes good reading and usually a fun arguement. As long as folks don't loose their tempers over it LOL. Title: Re: dogo vs pit Post by: USHOG on May 20, 2010, 07:42:22 pm Dogos are by far my favorite dog to hunt with but by no means the only dogs I hunt with. I also train dogs that are not mine. The hunt with the big barr I was working with Treu (AB) and Patches (Catdo) that belongs to JC and my dog Pulo (Pit x Cur) when we caught him.
I disagree matt_aggie04 some good things do come from these posts I have actually met a few new people during this post that I probably would not have met and are planning a few hunts in the near future. |