EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

How many of ya'll let other people hunt your dogs without ya'll being there, as in "borrow your dogs"? I dont like it and dont do it for the simple fact that if something happens i want to know that I was there to do everything i could to save my dog or make the right descesion to maybe keep it alive if the worst happens. Just wondering what everyone thinks.......

I don't do it.  I don't recommend it.  I certainly don't lend mine out.  Same with my tracking equipment and firearms/bows.

dnt do it will never do it unless its a close friend and not one of my top dogs but more or less no i don't do it

I would even let my old lady borrow my dogs

Unless its a CLOSE personal friend or family......I don't borrow other peoples dogs and they don't borrow mine.  That's just the way it is.

hell no. no dogs no guns no vest no tracking systems. i wont even hunt my best friends dog even though he wants me to take him while he is out of town. lent a vest to who i thought was a friend and haven.t seen him or the vest since. and there are to many things that can happen to a dog in the woods.

hell no my brother is the only person that uses my dogs

I have two dogs out right now.  Got a call yesterday evening that my pup struck and bayed a group with some other young dogs, got one hog killed, then the pup rolled out and bayed another one by herself.  I was happy that the dog is out hunting right now, while I have some other irons in the fire.  If one of my dogs gets hurt/killed while on loan, I understand, and that is a risk I am willing to take.

Now would I let anyone come borrow my dogs? Nope.   Are there a handful of people that have in the past, and are welcome to again in the future? Yes.

Those same people are welcome to come use my trucks, trailers, tractors, horses, home, etc.  If they need them, I along with my "things" are here for them.

I dont lend mind out.
But this old man down the road doesnt get to hunt his dogs much so he tells me to come run his dogs for him every chance i get.

Bingo, if you can't accept that number 2 happens, even when you are not there, don't do it. If you can accept that number 2 happens and trust the individual, have at it.

Steve

There are only about 2 people that would be welcome to borrow my dogs, but I doubt they would ever ask. And I would not as to borrow theirs. A long time back I borrowed a good buddy's catchdog once and that was all it took.

There are a few (3) people that I trust to run my dogs. They've hunted with me enough to know the type of decisions I make and how exactly I want my dogs hunted. My only stipulations are if a dog gets hurt and your not sure you can handle it, rush to the vet and i'll cover the bill. It's better to be safe than sorry. Other than that, If it happens to them, then if would've happended to me. JMO

i would lend mine out to a good friend ,,,my job requires me gone 7 days and off 7 days so i always tell him come get my pup take her please i feel that if she is hunting and gets killed she died doin what she loves that is just something u have to accept i guess but

i did borrow my uncles plott one day and we hunted two days in a row before so i took him out he kept bumpin deer so i took him back to truck but in dog box 2 or 3 hrs later we were done and came back to a dead dog dont know what happened but he had water so not sure i immediatley called my unc and told him i felt bad and he said come get the other dogs lol he didnt care because he knows things happen  

For me, its not that I can't accept the fact that #2 could happen when I'm not there.  Rather, its because that I know #2 can happen at any moment.....I want to be there to deal with it when it does.  For example, if a dog gets hurt so bad in the field that it may need to be put down, I'm the only one that's making that call and I can't make it if my dog is there without me.  That's just one of hundreds of examples I can think of.

Ive only let one person borrow one of my dogs and that was because he gave her to me when she got a little older than his good dogs, and i didnt have a finished dog.  He got into a hard spot and lost his finished dogs and i had to work.  The man also live right next door so it wasnt like i wasnt going to see him when i got home in the morning..  ;)

This is almost my policy to the T. Catch dogs and pups are one thing but my favorite curs and breeder are another. If number 2 happens with them, I and /or my son will be there! So don’t go inviting my older dogs hunting without inviting me! ;D
Everything I have thats worth anything is a blessing from the Lord and I dont figure he would want me to be stingy with it if a friend of mine needs it. If they treat it right they can barrow it again!

The beauty if the original question, is that there is no right or wrong answer, only personal opinions.


The friend of mine that is hunting two of my dogs right now, also happens to be the man I bought both dogs from. With the pup, I told him to cull as he would his own... :o  I figured he bred her, and he knows what his expectations are of his dogs. If she does not fit the bill of what he was looking for in that breeding, then do what needs doing.  That same person went hunting with 5 dogs yesterday, and came home with three. ;) My pup made the cut yesterday.

I would also trust him to make the right call about when to hit the vet, vs when to put one down if needed.

It's not for everyone, but it works for me.   BTW, he is about to ship 15k in heifers for me to use team sorting... If he can trust me with 15k in his cattle, I can trust him with a couple dogs.

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Lending my dogs out would be about the same as someone borrowing my husband!!  I dont share!!  lol if thtey were hog hunters.... they would have their own dogs!! my 2 cents!!

Tonya Waterman

if one of my friends who i hunt with alot and know there style of hunting is like mine then i have no problem with it, may even appreciate it at times. But of coarse not everyone or every dog in some situations.

There is probably one person that I would let use my dogs,....he's a close, liflelong friend and as close to a brother as I'll ever have. But he has never asked and probably won't.....he has let us,....meaning his brother and I, use his dogs when he couldn't go. I didn't ask, he just told his brother to get them and take them along on the trip....which was 4 hrs. away and over a weekend. There is another friend that I would probably let use mine if he were to ask,....but he wouldn't.... as I wouldn't ask him for his.

The only people I trust with my dogs are my Dad and two brothers,  there were times when I could not go hunting and my dogs were young, I wanted them to be hunted and let them take my dogs, even today if I could not go on a hunt I would not care if they took my dogs. My brother until a little while ago had the catch dogs and us the bay dogs, I would never take his catch dogs without him present because I would hate for something to happen and him not be there to make whatever decision that has to be made just because they are also his house dogs.

Anytime and anywhere. I borrow multiple of my friends dogs an will let them borrow anything they want! I agree with Chris and am happy to let any of my friends take any one of my dogs or other equipment.. I look at my dog as atheletes and the more practice and exposure they get the better they'll be. It's just part of the game if a dog gets killed or injured

Now would I let anyone come borrow my dogs? Nope.   Are there a handful of people that have in the past, and are welcome to again in the future? Yes.

Those same people are welcome to come use my trucks, trailers, tractors, horses, home, etc.  If they need them, I along with my "things" are here for them.
 
 
This is my take on this subject. Hell I would put more faith sometimes in my friends as opposed to my brothers sometimes LOL   Guess sometimes it takes a little while to get friends like that in which you would trust your life or your kids life with. Sometimes comes with age. At 25 wouldn't do it at 40 well now depends who it is and I know that they know what i would do in a situation. Hell had a snake bite kill one of my dogs last week that could have happened in the kennel, nobody's blame it just happens sometimes.

My nephew got cut by a hog in a tank when we were hunting who's fault that's why they are called accidents. Sometimes things happen for no rhyme or reason.

I personally dont like to borrow other peoples dogs because Murphy's Law always applies in the woods.  I happen to borrow some Plotts and Jagds from Bud Goatcher to try out a different technique during the heat and long races.  As LUCK would have it, the female plott and some of my pups got out of my trailer by squeezing thru the railing while I was walking to a bay.  They didnt have tracking collars on while in the trailer.  It took me two days to find that Plott, and I was relieved to find her.  My pups are still out, but thats not near as important as me finding his dog.  I am going to continue to hunt them just put a tracking collar on them as soon as I take them out of the kennel.

On the other hand I do let some folks hunt my dogs, because I cant always be there these days and its not fair to the dogs to sit up and not do anything.  But I usually wont let the top Catch dog and Strike dog go without me there.

Joey Young

Only would let a couple guys borrow my dogs. I have done it before but its been a while. I really don't like doing it but I would do it again. I would never borrow someone elses dog though. If I am not at work I would expect them to invite me along if they wanted my dogs. If they don't invite me then the answer is no.

There are a few 2-3 people that can borrow my dogs if need be. The have hunted with me enough that the dogs know them and they know the dogs. I know they would treat my dogs like there own and I would treat there dogs the same way.

I borrowed a buddy's 2 dogs that came off my line of dogs almost all of last deer season. He was hunting goats for 4 months and did not want them to sit in a pen during prime time of there hog dog hunting life. It worked out good and he knew if I could not fix it they went to the vet. And they went twice under my dime. That is hog hunting.

If I know you are going to do everything you can to help out my dog then yes. But there is only a few like that. 

i dont mind letting anyone take anything i got.. not that i have a dog worth taking but if they ask or let me know beforehand i dont mind. if they ask that must mean im not able to go. I dont mind if its my tracking system, dogs, dog food, trucks, leashes or anything i have if they need it or wanna borrow or use it. it dont bother me at all. in the same shoes though i hunt with all family and im sure the same would apply for me using there stuff.

Thats exactly how i think!!! If something happens I want to be there when it does and thats that.  If something happens i want to know that EVERYTHING was done to save my dogs life and i guess only me being there is the only way to be sure. Thanks for the responses guys they are great!!!!

I don't borrow dogs but I would lend my out to a certain few. With my work schedule I can't always hunt mine as much as I would like and wouldn't mind loaning them out sometimes just so they could get hunted more.

Ive let friends use mine.  The dogs can get cut down regaurdless of who takes them, so thats not really a factor.  Theres only about 3 or 4 people who are welcome to use mine anytime, but like Matt said, they would never ask, but i would offer if they needed them.

i'd let you and anyone who wants , borrow my wife "she knew the dogs came first " . the dogs aint going no where with out me or my son ! and you know , a few of my "buddys" took me up on that !! guess that's why i got a girl friend and ex-wife lol  ;D

I've learned alot from my uncles about my dogs and hunting so I've got no second thought as far as them running any one of my dogs and making decisions. I don't like the responsibilty of running someone elses dogs so I avoid that situation. (My baby sisters Pointer/Lab is a tracking animal but the feeling I get when I drop him just isn't worth coming home and trying to explain it to her)

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Me and my brother both have our dogs in the same pack. Rarely ever do we hunt without the other person there. We both have the same time and money invested in our dogs and thats the only person I trust.

only to close freinds like Glen and Norma Jean anytime they need some they are welcome and also Jody and Pat.

Thanks Micheal,

I never knew you felt that way about me borrowing your dogs. O0 O0 O0 O0

I have borrowed a dog from a good friend one time and the only reason i did that is bc the hog had cut down every dog we had except my gyp and she was still on him and we were right by his house so we call him to ask if he would bring his dogs down to help and he told us to just go get one of his dogs that he wasnt home, i told him that it was a bad hog and he said that he trusted us to handle his dog just like we would ours. So we went and got one of his dogs luckly nothing happen to his dog and every since then he knows he can come get mine when ever he needs. So yes i will let a few people borrow mine.

i would just hate for one of my dogs to get killed or hurt with me not there. I think that no matter who had the dog when it got killed, i would still be mad about it and always think that i could have done more to keep him alive. jmo. so i just dont do it. I have only lost one dog to a hog in the four years i have been hunting. and still have the same catch dog and two curs that i started with. and caught many big hogs with them. But all it takes is one.

MAN THAT IS EXACTLY HOW I FEEL!!! NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENED I WOULD BE MAD B/C I WANT TO KNOW THAT I WAS THERE TO DO EVERYTHING THAT I COULD TO SAVE IT AND I GUESS I DONT TRUST MANY PEOPLE LIKE I TRUST MYSELF. Thanks for the responses fellas!

i guess it's all in all in who you trust. If you don't think a friend will do everything he can to save your dog then don't let them take 'em. i ask friends to take make dogs if i can't go. if something would happen then that is a chance that i took to hopfully make my dog better!! if i didn't think that person would treat my dog like his, then i wouldn't hunt with that person anyway. same goes with equipment, if the person using it won't treat it like his then its a no go!! my dogs aren't that good anyway, so i don't have people knocking my door down to borrow a dog!!!!

I let Savoy borrow my dogs when he wants to catch a hog.

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I think a lot of it has to do with certain people look at their dogs differently. Personally i think b/c i raise and become close to my dogs i want to be there if something happens. Its not about not trusting as much as just wanting to be there more than anything.  I look at my dogs, even though they might not be "the best dogs" out there as IRREPLACEABLE.  I know a lot of people that hunt dogs look at them as just "tools" like a gun or boat or deer stand and a lot of people look at them as members of the family. I agree with the latter and frown upon loaning them out as such. I PERSONALLY would never ask to borrow anyones dog just like i dont like borrowing ANYTHING that i can not replace if i break it or it dies on my watch.  If i have the cash in hand to replace a material item (ie.boat, gun) then i feel it's ok to borrow it but  it's obvious that a dead dog cannot be replaced so i stay away from that all together.   In the end it boils down to everyone looking at things differently and that should be respected by everyone else. good thread ;D

Well I told my husband last night if he doesnt take me hunting now that his shift has changed back to having weekends off I was going to find someone else to hunt with.....his response "yeah with their dogs cause you aint taking none of these!"... but I lay claim to atleast one bay dog so I am good, he is alll I need lol

We dont lend our dogs out at all, heck we dont even hunt behind someone elses catch dog...if our dogs go then we go and our catch dog goes - period.  We do not hunt with many people and they know how fennicky we are about the dogs, my brother in law asked one time to borrow some of them and I beat my husband to the punch with a "not no but **** NO".

I asked my husband if he would let the man that taught him everything take his dogs (not that he would ever ask cause he surely dont need them) and he even said no, which surprised me.  We run his puppies from time to time or a catch dog that needs fine tuning but would NEVER even think of asking to use his finnished dogs.

I am not even sure our dogs would hunt with out us or hunt that well....heck they are snooty enough when there are new/strange dogs or people!

I completely agree because no one is going to take care of or worry about your dogs as much as you. They may tell you they will be careful or watch out for them but if the worst happens and you aren't there who is to say they are trying their hardest to fight for your dog or to keep it alive?

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I have two good friends that I would let borrow my dogs. They wouldn't leave the woods until they found my dog dead or alive when I would've just went and looked for them the next day.

 If one of my dogs gets killed oh well, there is more out there that will find a hog, it ain't going to change a thing if you are there or not if they get on a rank one that gets em.
My dogs are tools to me, no emotional attachment at all.

Dogs, cars, and/or anything of value.

It really boils down to the relationship and trust you have in your friends and the relationship you build.  I have friends that could borrow any dog that I own, fourwheeler, truck, rifle, pistol and any thing else.

I'm blessed with a few friends that I would let hunt my dogs.          I consider myself lucky.

As hunters/outdoorsman it seems that we have a greater respect for nature and the outdoors than most people. We spend countless hours in the woods and swamps learning to become closer to nature and learning all we can about the wildlife that is found there. I know that the majority of us believe that there is higher power out there that made nature possible for us to enjoy. With that being said why is it you think that some hunters/outdoorsman look at a dog, which is a living breathing creature with obvious capabilities of expressing emotion, as just a tool? Again i totally respect that not everyone thinks alike i just am interested in this school of thought.   For example; Does a general in the army, whose only goal is to win a war, view the men under his command as merely tools to get a job done? I probably opened up a can of worms but........im bored......lol.