EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I got three cat/bluetick pups. They are 9 months old now been in bay pen since they were id say 5 or 6 months. Now when you put them in they dont realy seem intrested in tha hogs in there, but i gota bout a 100lb sow and if you take her out they will  bay every breath.

I wouldnt put a hunting dog in a bay pen more than a few times....just to establish interest in hogs. After that the pen is useless in my opinion.

looks like burn out to me. The bay pen is good  for short periods of time and used sparingly for training or tune up.

Also, good so pups/dog can learn how to stop a hog if it is in them to do so...

Just like a poor kid from the country. If they are lucky they get a small ice cream cone every now and then and they can't wait to get more.  Then Mama wins the lotto and he gets to eat all the ice cream he can eat on a regular basis and after a while he will not want any.

Same thing can happen with the bay pen if over done...

Great advise.

no offense but it could be trainer error. ive seen someone ruin a pup. i had the pups baying in a pen at a young age. sent all but one down the road. the guy told me he had the pup baying a hog for 2 hrs one day before it quit, then it quit at 1hr the next day, then less and less until it lost interest..... a few days later i saw it on the dog trade as a good started pup....?

i think....no matter what you are training the dog to do you should end each session on a good note at peak interest.

if you ever plan on using this dog to find hogs keep it out of the pen.

i dont know about that.... have you ever seen a fat kid turn down a cup cake? :o

Just like a poor kid from the country. If they are lucky they get a small ice cream cone every now and then and they can't wait to get more.  Then Mama wins the lotto and he gets to eat all the ice cream he can eat on a regular basis and after a while he will not want any.

TXHog, no offense taken but I do believe we are saying the same thing but in a different way. Just my style I guess. ;D

i would try a bigger hog. if the hog dont try to run or fight they might be getting bored with him.I put all of my bay dogs in my bay pen all the time and they still hunt good and find me hogs. i woulnd't ever let them bay for a long time. like they said. leave them wanting more.

The bay pen is a great tool when used properly. It is also good for grown dogs that don't get to hunt much even though they are considered finished. These type of dogs don't need much bay pen training just 5 to 10 minutes to fire em up and keep their minds on hog. Just this small amount of tune up could be the difference between trashing or running nothing but hog. :)

Stick to the woods if your pen work has not already ruined them. It makes a dog think you bring the hogs to them vs them needing to go find one, after the little interest is established stop the bay pen work. Do stake out hunts or something.......Good luck cull hard

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Try a pen big enough for them to find the hog.
or tie on to a tree in the woods and let them find it as you are walking in. It works..

One of the best dogs I've hunted with would just stand there and look at you if you put her in a pen with a hog.. After you get them started up in the pen put em in the woods and feed em hog tracks..

Bingo, another great post.  I could not agree more.

Yes, sir..
I have a finished dog that will try to climb out of a bay pen.. i think he feels trapped..

i got a gyp that wont touch a hog in the pen but in the woods shes the best dog i ever hunted behind

Thanks guys. ill give umm a lil longer. But i should also will have some pups on the ground end of august i i will be sure not to put them in there to much.

Two most common mistakes people make training woods dogs in a baypen, is using it more than a few times and leaving the pups in too long.

Let the pups bay a few minutes, then catch them and get them out right when they're the most fired up.  Makes them want it even more the next time.  Young pups get bored easily and boredom is never a good thing.

I let pups bay at a penned hog starting at six months, letting them see it about once a month until they are 10 months to a year.  Then, they go to the woods, depending on how mature I think the dog is.  Baying a penned hog means nothing when you want dogs to "find" hogs in the woods.

My older dogs won't notice a pig in a pen.

A hunting dog is going to hunt no matter what. Pen don't have anything to do with making a dog hunt or not hunt.

I agree with that, I just like to give a young dog an idea about what I want him to hunt.  He would just soon run a deer, rabbit,armadillo, coon, or the first thing he runs across.  A hunting dog don't make him a hog dog.

Well i took umm to tha woods yesterday turned a shoat loose gave emm bout 30 mins went an got them pups put um on emm they ran that sucker seem like forever. I was pretty happy. i belive they gona be aight.

  I agree with this statement.  But you need to consider the hog you use also. Alway be sure to have a hog that will flip out when the dogs bay it because sometimes the hog gets used to the dogs also and it just stands there. You want to build their confidence and a hog that is either trying to get the heck out of there or fighting back will do this better. IMO