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when do you cull a catch dog? do you cull if it bays one of the biggest baddest hogs you have seen? bays once its hurt? if a hog gets away from it once its caught?....  now i dont expect anyone to get rid of their best cd until it has a replacement so lets say it bays a big nasty one night in some thick stuff after getting cut and thrown in the air... whats your call?



this isnt anything that has actually happened. im just curious

Catch dogs don't bay... period. ;)

when do you cull a catch dog? do you cull if it bays one of the biggest baddest hogs you have seen? yes


bays once its hurt? yes, if it is has the strength to bay and bark, then he better be using that strength to try to catch the hog, not barking.

if a hog gets away from it once its caught?....nope, I think any catch dog can get thrown, it's what the dog does after he has been thrown that matters to me.

  now i dont expect anyone to get rid of their best cd until it has a replacement so lets say it bays a big nasty one night in some thick stuff after getting cut and thrown in the air... whats your call?cull


Pretty black and white for me.  That said, I have a catch dog that catches wild, mostly on the snout, and many would cull him for that. I don't mind where he catches as long as he is caught, or attempting to catch when I get there.  The day that dog EVER barks at a hog, is the last time he will ever see a hog.

X2 pretty much sums it up for me.

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If the dog will bark at a hog its not a catchdog IMO.  This applies to grown dogs only.  I've sen some young CD propects bark at a hog when they were pups but once they matured and figured it out they were all bite and made dang good CD's.

X4 to all the above replies!  I also want one to locks down don't want him ripping and shaking the hog or regripping.  Just lock down and stay locked down.

x5.  I dont mind if a dog regrips cause hes thrown but he better not step back and bark..

Now that being said ive had cur dogs that we used more as RCDs and occasionally one would back up and bay after trying him..that doesnt bother me (too much) but my bulldog better not bark.

If it ever backs up on, or quits a hog...it's a cull.

 I say cull a catch dog if he doesn't catch. Our cd, Ammo was caught on a big hogs ear one time and he got thrashed againsts a tree and then overheated to the point that he couldn't stand on his own but he was still locked on that ear when we got to him. In my oppinion, that is a catch dog. ;D

ok i somewhat take it back. the dog in my avatar has had 2 hogs get away from him.

first time. duke bayed a stinkin boar in some crawlin on hands and knees thick stuff. i cut the cd loose he went in, i heard lots of rustlin around and the hog got away before i got there. i never saw the hog but smelled him. duke and cd took off. i cut him off 1/2 mile away and he had 2 holes in a new kevlar vest.

second time. duke had a 150lb hog caught for a good while 200yards off the road. sent in cd. it was thick as the stuff the first hog got away in. i was on my belly and got my hand 6 inches from the back hoof and the hog started moving and didnt stop. never saw that hog again.

i think his flaw is that he just needs a stronger jaw. or hes a wimp and lets go when he gets poked in the eye. the second time he had a swole up eye for a week.

this cd is pit/cur. he is now hunted like the curs except with a vest. hes gonna have to prove himself on a lot more hogs before he will be the only cd again.  



what are some opinions on hogs getting away from a cd once its caught?

My opinion exactly..

This must be the "tough guy" thread. O0

  Opps!  :o I thought it was a catch dog thread! :D

 Cut down, overheated, knocked off, broken legs it better catch or keep trying to catch period.

If a catch is suppose to catch then IMO if it dont then it is a cull. I have had my dogs (bmcs) cut to peaces be cause of a so called catchdog could not do his job after they did theirs.So for me it would be a cull, no matter what happened.

Whats yalls opinion on a 2 yr old cd that has never once barked at the baddest hog... however, one catch/bay gone wrong in the middle of summer ... broken bay and the cd took off and caught again (heard squeeling) about 20 min later, and garmin said treed. It took us close to an hour to get to the hog and dogs at witch time the dog was laying in the water due to exhaustion (not cut/small 130 lb boar) saw us caught again stuck pig then went to the truck. The dog has not barked at a pig since, but did show some self preservation last summer or would have died.  ???  ???  ??? Opinions please....

Mike, your ability to sum it all up in just a few little words never ceases to amaze me!

 I have recently discovered that I have a different standard for catch dogs than a lot of other folks. Higher, lower, or just a different standard is relative when you consider your post.

Catch dogs don’t bay…Period.

I will never argue with that!

make-em-squeel.
i dont think there is anything wrong with the dog you're talking about. ive had a dog that caught until he over heated and died. that dog is dead. i have another that was in the same situation as the one ur talking about. i caught a hog with him the other day.

When I find myself making excuses for a dogs actions, I soon find myself digging a hole.

"Catch dogs don’t bay…Period." thats true. but what about when the hog breaks the dogs grip....

i dont keep cur dogs because they want to find hogs, i keep em because they do find hogs
same idea goes for catch dogs.

now i dont expect a dog to hold on when he is overheated but i want a dog that can handle the heat well.

I already answered...

The details are sketchy but it sound like he would "not" be a cull for me!!! I have a tendency to give a smart dog too much credit though.  rolleyes  The heat can make a dog do some strange things also!

Saw a catchdog get his guts strung out an held on.   Held on till he took his last breath      Thats a catch dog

catch dogs are the muscle of the team and should never show a once of quit that being said sometimes ppl mess up causin their dogs to mess up seen it 100x over also seen the same ppl who were the cause of the mess up to begin with cull dogs for human error and to me that's not right... i will cull a catch dog for the followin lettin go for any reason which would be his fault, barkin , slow , wild catch , there again everyone has a different set of eyes which see things different and there is a exception to every rule

to me a catchdog that will let go is a dangerous thing. culled one sat, for lettin go and regrippin. bought got my buddy eat up, and cause the bays dogs to get tore up too.  i wont feed one that bays, backs up, and cant stand one that keeps mouthin, and re grippin.  mine better catch and hold until broke off period.  still lookin.

thanks for the opinions gentleman

You are taking a gamble when you invest in an unproven 1/2 cur 1/2 pit. Chances are you are buying a watered down  catch dog. Also this type of dog has a higher probablity of not having the jaw power of a bulldog.

All the questions you asked the answer IMO is to cull. A good catch dog will crawl back to the hog and latch on if need be. He/she is game to the end.

This post was a no brainer for me at first!  If a cd quits by choice of his own or bays he is a cull IMO.  But, I do believe some cd's take longer to mature.  My 2 cd's started completely different.  My pit pedro caught the first hog he ever saw and will stay caught until his last breath.  But my AB chief took until he was almost 2 yrs old to mature into a finshed cd.  he can hold as good or better than pedro now, but most times he does not have to be broke off.  Just a spat on the nose usually gets him loose.  With that said, if either of my cd's ever let go before I want them to it will be their last time.

Most larger type dogs mature slower and sometimes do not start as early as the smaller type dogs.

this isnt a dog i bought. ive had him from a pup. i dont buy catch dogs. if i do i dont buy them from people that hunt hogs. i get on craigslist or go to animal control. this dog isnt a cull to me because he hunts his butt off and can find a hog. he has never intentionally let go of a hog and when it got away he went after it. he hasnt barked at a hog since he was 5 months old.

Not sure why you stated the above scenario as it was already discussed before with the same answers and the same blind eye turned.


Is this dog you are talking bout the one whos mom bayed like a champ on the video??

Would you want to be in a gun fight with a gun that was jammed? A Catch dog gets a hold and keeps it until he draws his last breath or i remove him end of story anything other than that is no different than a gritty cur...IMO

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I just figured it out what "I" want in a catch dog! A real gritty cur that dont hunt or bay! Thanks!

No underdog this is not the same dog. I believe your referring to a friend of mines ab or a cross there of. The dog i am referring to is completely different and has no videos or bay to him. I must have not read the other post...

  x2, pits jaws wont get hard til theyre 18 months, I see folks livin by cliche and cullin good prospects too young because they are schooled and tested to young, thinkin if a pup wont catch it never will isnt right in my thinkin

 ??? I've never heard this one. If you don't mind, can you explain?

both teeth and lower jaw bone are not yet developed

Most bully breeds are not fully Developed Structuraly till 18 months n most will continue to fill out with mass around 2 years IME.....I personally dont start a catchdog until he is atleast 20 months for this reason.....

hypothetically what would a "true catchdog" do.....

......if your 2 non-gritty no helping curs had a hog bayed in over 85+ degree weather and sent a catchdog to it. and it caught it solid on the ear and did not get cut. but you never went to the bay to stick the hog or help the catchdog out.

would he:

1. catch it and hold it until one or both of them died of exhaustion (after 2 hrs, 8 hrs, 24 hrs, 48 hrs).
2. eventually (after 2hrs, 8 hrs, 24 hrs, 48hrs....) realize that you aren't coming and let go and try to find you or the truck.

and if the answer is #1. is that the trait that everyone truely desires and places the most priority on when considering whether a catchdog is a "true catchdog" or not??

The dog would most likely have a heat stroke and go down. Hopefully it will never happen that your bulldog would have to stay caught that long but if it happens then yes I would expect a catchdog to stay caught as long as his body would allow..
I saw where someone had posted they like a catchdog with some self preservation, well if a catchdog that I'm feeding cares anything about "self preservation" then he better CATCH when I turn him loose..
But what a man feed is totally up to him..  :)

Dang man....you took the words right off my fingers.   ;) ;D

Yes 8)


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No that "was" a catch dog. That is now a dead dog that you have to find a replacement for

Ninja, that is exactly what I want in a catch dog, just a really gritty cur!!

Ain't nuthin like catchin hogs with a pair of "rough" curdogs. ;)
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Yes, but that demonstration of gameness shouldn't be said or taken lightly, most dogs will ultimately quit.

A true catch dog will not quit as long as the hog is alive... A true catch dog will not quit, he/she will stay caught as long as it is physically able to do so regardless of cuts, punctures, thrashes, loss off blood or whatever. Having said that, by us knowing this, we should do all we can to get there as quickly as possible to assist... This is why the catch dog shouldn't be turned loose unless you know you can get there in a reasonable time frame.

Well said Ruben and I agree 100%  ....not sure why a man would put his dog in a situation that he could not get to him in under two hours or less...... rolleyes

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Coming off a hog from overheating and going under water are two things I will never fault a catch dog for. By overheating, I mean to the point where their body can't physically function anymore. I've been on that end of the deal many times, it's not fun. That's why I grit my teeth when I read about all these people that send their catch dogs in from a 1/2 mile out etc... and i've never seen a dog drown themselves. ;) There is a breaking point.

I would never trust that dog again. What if you were on your hands and knees crawling through a thicket in the middle of the night and the dog decided it was time for a break? If the dog had over heated in the scenario you described, it wouldn't have gotten up and caught the hog when you arrived... you would have been carrying the dog out of the woods.

Thanks mike i like all the info. and advice...The dog was wobbly legged but he was not carried out, we just took his vest off etc. His performance since has not given anything to fault but he wont be bred  ;) It was a busted bay and we took over 45 min to get to him, he would have been stroked out if he didnt let go so i am glad he did in that instance, if it happened regularly he wouldnt be around i assume (not my dog), he has a big heart and i have legged plenty of bad hogs behind him since. Thanks again for the opinions i was curious to know what yall thought about one under H2O  O0

agreed....if you are using a gamebred pitbull, your dog should be able to last longer than 45 min, weather and temp. permitting, i dont think you should hunt under extreme conditions though,  gamebred pit dog matches are known to have gone past the 4 hr mark, and this is against another gamedog, hogs are tuff too though, maybe an ear would come off, or the hog would go into shock, I hope no one has to find out this truth the hard way, but it will happen eventually unless youre careful.but even then, you never can tell

Just to add what you pointed out about game bred pits. They are culled hard on the stamina department and when they were fought they were in tip top condition and they were put on all kinds of supplements to stay in top working form.