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How do you get a mouthy bulldog to shut up while on the 4wheeler or going to a bay?
Both of mine will whine and bark alittle when the other dogs are hunting, and they both go crazy whining and barking once they bay. It seems like no matter how much you whoop them for it, it doesnt even bother them.  >:(  >:(

Any ideas would be very helpful. I though about e-collars but i would hate for them to get away from me before i can take it off, and get the p!ss shocked out of them while trying to catch a hog, but ive had about all i can stand!

The e collar is the best way i have found. I dont run a cut collar on my bulldog so it doesnt interfere with that. Never had any problems with it on while they catch.

Timmy, i just now noticed i put e-collar. I was thinking about a bark collar.  rolleyes

That would be my problem with an e-collar is fitting it on with a vest/collar

I know its hard to whip any sense into a hardheaded bulldog. My vest has a neck on it so I can out my tracking collar and e collar on under it. All I can say is good luck. Once they start it is hard to get a handle on it. You could get a d@g@!! ;D

lol no thanks, atleast my mouthy bulldogs will catch!!!  ;D  :D  >:D

I I did'nt know if you would get the hidden message!!

TImmy I hear those pit/curs are some of the best catch dogs ever!!!  Hear they have a head full of sense also.   ;D ;D ;D  Trent an e-collar should do the trick.  Whenever they start whining hit quick and hard with it....With a lil luck you might get him to shut up.  Timmy is the best I know about getting a handle of a pit!! rolleyes

I've got a pretty good method to make them quit, and it works 100% of the time   8)

Do tell......I like the way you think lately....

are they still alive?

From what I have seen in the past,,, you really cant shock it in too em, or beat it out of em.. It has to not BE IN THEIR BLOOD... A man can go through 100 cds and may only find 20 of em with enough sense to figure it out,,others just dont have enough self control to learn patience.. Thats why it is so important, I think, that once you find a male and a gyp that does not pull on lead, doesnt whine on the box, no dog aggression, and doesnt run in to a catch with his eyes closed before he hits the hog.... You'd better BREED THEM>>>

I would have to disagree.  Basic Obedience can go along way with any breed.  Bulldogs do get switched on but it is your responsibility as an owner and handler to have a good handle on that switch no matter what it takes.  E-collar is very effective and a hitch around their flanks will stop them from pulling everytime.  JMO

Joey Young

Bark collar you will have to attach wires to the contact points and run the wires under the cut collar. Just put something to hold the wires apart under the collar. It also works when bark collars have not worked. You can spread the wires and give a larger effected area. Just be careful not to go so far it may flow through the spine. That could be really bad.

You're right about the hitch,, but how many times does it take for them to learn when a bay is goin on where they can hear it,, I guess I just dont have enough patience for em anymore,,Done shocked em only to hear em holler more than they were before I shocked em. rolleyes  But theres plenty of fellers that know more about dogs than I do,, guess I just like the easy ones to train... ;)

Trent one thing you have in your favor is that they ver seldome need to......lol

And dont ask Phillip what to do about it cause every CD's hes ever had sounds like its dying all night!  (I hate it)

no. Unless I have no other choice I try not to own a bulldog with no manners. Hard to beat or shock sense into a grown dog.  Raising them from pups helps, but it seems like for me it's an automatic death sentence if I raise a cd from a pup.  :-\

2x4 j/k

I would think that you would train one much like you would a schtuzhund trained dog, if you want them to behave and not whine.  Saw a video I think someone referred it on this website of a guy that raised his pups with the wild baby pig, seemed to work well for him.  Not everyone has patience to raise and train one like that when in the back of your mind he may parish to the tusk of a big boar.  I have even heard of a fellow that had a couple of pits that walked beside his horse while the other dogs where out hunting and they didn't go in to catch until they were sent.  It can be done, most want something now, again one that behaves like we are talking could cost money and with a short life span most do not want to pay.  I hate it also, I go with my son and friends from time to time and they have a pit that will not shut up and it irritates the sh!^ out of me, but he is a nut catching machine on a moving hog.

I have one that is loud going to a bay. Gonna try the shock collar next trip out. I hate the idea of raiseing a bulldog but if I ever find the right pit pup I might give it a shot.

the right dog and the right training and you can have a good one.i got 2 brindle pit rcds and they dont make a peep,never...i found that rednoses are the worst for pulling and whinning but they are also my favorite they seem to have more hunt and nose then others but i got them all killed so i have these now

Not trying to stir the pot up or get off topic but does having a rednose have any bearing on how a pit acts??  I hava a neighbor that has two rednose's that are Hammonds/Wilder (both game lines) blood. Absolutely no manners and very aggresive.  I also raise pits and have black, pink, and blue nosed dogs that are tight lipped all the way to the bay and on the box.. ETHhunters has a pup from these dogs that at 8mths old will walk with you to the bay until you send him.  IMO socialization, and how one handles the dogs determines how the dog will turn out.   ;)

NO.......

good 4 you :)

Underdog, I was pretty sure it made no difference what color the nose was....I just did not want to turn it into a "my dogs nose color is better than yours thread!!"

i use a shocking proud like for cows , a little cardiact to them they usely stop

Having a red nose actually does have some bearing on a dog's temperament, in all breeds, not just bulldogs. Canines with red noses, or recessive genes that produce overall red coloration, are genetically predisposed to being more high strung than your average, run of the mill black nosed dog. If your issue is with nervousness or useless energy manifested in whining, pacing, dancing, pulling on leads, ect. you'd be better served to try a line that doesn't throw predominantly red nosed dogs. I deal with it, because I'm a sucker for red noses. Go figure.

Do you have a link to the studies that determined this?

Nah, that's just notes that I've picked up from school and work and shows on genetic studies on NatGeo and from personal experience ;)  The shows would probably be the easiest thing to find as a reference point, but they're many years old by now. I think they mention it in a genetics portion during that From Conception to Birth: Dogs show, though, if you care to youtube it.

Welcome to the board.....I do dis agree on the nose color,in my years with game dogs I never noticed a tie in with nose color and temp etc. it varried more with individual lines vs color of nose.

NO , again...

Oh, I agree that individual lines have much more impact on a dog's temperament and personality than just color. About half of the dogs on my yard are red nosed, the other black. I have two red nosed bitches, and both are high strung and very mouthy, but the more heavily inbred Bolio bitch is a damned nut case. I don't believe she's got a lick of sense anywhere. Just drive drive drive. Different lines, different traits. On the other hand, I have black nosed dogs who are very calm and trainable, and I have black nosed dogs who are a handful, though not very mouthy.

In general, though, genetically speaking, red dogs are allegedly more likely to be high strung -- and that's red dogs in general, not just bulldogs. Think red Dobies, Vizlas, RedBones, etc. vs. their counterparts. I'll have to see if I can find my notes from my genetics class tonight and post them.

I don't think that's a very good arguement. If you were to ask what dogs were the most high strung in general I doubt dobermans or vizlas and especially not redbones would be at the top of anyone's list.. Jagd's and patterdales are some of the most high strung dogs out there and they are mostly black with black noses. And when I think of a redbone I think of a big long eared hound dog laying around on a porch..  :)
And I agree with underdog on the bulldogs, it has a lot more to do with the line than the nose color..

And that has to do with the breed and/or line they're from -- they're terriers, naturally they're going to be more high strung than hounds. I said to look at them in comparison to their counterparts, not completely different breeds. The vet I work for breeds Dobies, she has ONE red one out of ten, because the red Dobies are too high strung for her liking. Vizlas are very hyper dogs, more so than say German Shorthaired Pointers or similar sized Spaniel breeds. I honestly don't know enough about the difference in temperament between coonhounds to say that a Redbone would be harder to control than a Blue Tick, it was just a red dog I threw out there in the bunch.

I'm not really making an "argument", anyway. I'm simply stating what I was taught in my college genetics class, and what I know from personal experience. Scientifically speaking, genetically, red colored dogs are more likely to be high strung animals. Take it as you will. 

Ok, so compare a Visla with a Wiemaraner......BOTH very high strung dogs.
One red nosed and one blue...... :-\     On the Red bones...since I was 15-16 I have only seen one or two that would hunt or tree worth a squirt...so in them specifically I have never seen many high strung.

All redbones are red with black noses, going by the breed standard. What would their counterpart be?


Anyone who has been around very many GSP's would probably disagree with that..



Must be that global warming   :laugh:

I also dis-agree with the rednose theory.  I have a 9 yr old "red" nosed registered Labrador Retriever. She has been the calmest dog I have ever owned.  TO the point of being lazy.  I have a blue nosed pit female that is a ball of energy.  Not disagreeing on all situations but nose color does not determine energy level or intelligence.  Rednosed dogs were bred because someone thoughth the red toe nails and noses of the pits were cool so they bred for that trait.  Just a thought. :)