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This might sound dumb to some of y'all, but I am young lol
Anyways I got some pups on the way. I've helped raise some before but not all on my own. I kno they'll need wormer and shots and all. I was just wondering if y'all could help me out and tell me what all I need and when exactly to give it. I kno everyone has different ways of doin but I wanna make sure I get some healthy pups with the least amount of problems out of them.
Thank you,
Chase

Chase, heres how I do it and I have never lost a pup to Parvo, worms or anything along these lines. When the female first starts showing signs of comming in, I worm her three days in a row with Valbazen or Panacure. Three weeks from her first breeding day, I vaccinate her even if shes had her shots that year. When the pups are born, I worm them at 2, 4, 6 and 8 weeks. I like to wait at least a week after they are weaned but two is better to give them a puppy shot. They seem to get more immunity after the mothers antibodies in the milk have worn off. The ones I keep get another puppy shot one month after the first one.

hey chief, that aint a dumb question at all, i hope you get some good feedback cuz i need to know some of that stuff too.

my papaw says the dumbest thing you can do is staying a dummy ;D

Make yourself a good brood box with piggy rails.  I try not to let the pups touch the ground until they have had at least three rounds of shots.  Let the mother free feed on puppy food.  I have had good luck with strongid wormer.  Its gonna be cold when they drop, have a heat lamp ready for them, more times than not they will drop on the coldest nastiest night.  Good luck, I like raising pups.

Thanks bigo

And t bob I like that sayin. I've never been afraid to ask somethin. I kno I gotta lot to learn and ya can't learn the right way without it vein shown or told to ya right?

And southtexasff I have a barn that's prolly ten by ten that I planned on puttin a heat lamp in. I figured I'd spray it first. Do u think that'd work? I've heard before that off the ground is best but my funds are low with Christmas and everything else. But if I was to build one how big do u think or have?

go buy one of them cheap kiddy pools they work good the pups cant get out for a while and have alot of room.  like said keep the gyp on full feed now till you wean the pups, start feeding them pups can puppy food as soon as they will eat.follow bigo worming and you will have a nice healthy set of pups .

dangit, a kiddie pool is a great idea! iwas gonna say if the stall is 10 x10 ou could try a good tarp

Ya I like the idea of the kiddie pool.
And i should  start her on full feed now? Or when she has them?

if she is bellyed up pretty good i would start her on full feed now, if you wait till she starts droping weight its harder to get them back sometimes

Her belly has started fillin out a bunch. But her tits are startin to fill a lil. I will go ahead and start her on it. Sounds like it's be best?

Oh and what about wormin her? She was wormed at the beginning of last month. I used safeguard. She was wormed before she got bred.
I had a friend tell me to use that when I first got dogs and it's all I've used. Seems to work good but I'm sure there's better stuff

  you could have the vet do a fecal for worms but , i bet your alright .  just worm them pups regular like bigo said

Chase it is very nice hearing a young guy ask questions like you did it shows a a sign of respect for the hunting worl!
When you have guy's like Bigo and Craig answer you on a question like you ask you know you ask it right!
If you follow what they say you will get good healthy pups! I have a gyp right know that has 12 pups that are 4 weeks old and the gyp is fat but she is on a self feeder with 50lbs full to the top! The pups started getting wormed at 2 weeks old with stongid! Fixin to hit them with safe gaurd at 6 weeks old but be sure to worm them 3 day's in a role when you hit them with safe gaurd!

Thank u cward. And i wanna say thank you again to bigo southtexasff and craig. And I hope this has helped t bob out as well.  I'm am very thankful For the help that I've gotten. I feel more confident about these pups comin now that I know a lil more.

But got another question, I'm not sure which wormer to buy for the pups. I kno bigo said he uses valbazen or panacure on the Dam. And Cward said he uses strongid on his pups. And I kno I will get different answers on which to get but my biggest question is how much to give them. I don't imagine it is much at all right?

Chase, since my vet is 1/4 mile away and its 15 mi. to a farm supply, i just go get my puppy wormer at my vet, its yellow and im shure its Pyrantel pamoate (strongid) but no more then a small bottle cost at the vet its not worth the trouble for me..and i know for shure im doing right..        the dosage is like 1/2 cc per 5lbs. you just take a small siringe draw it out of the bottle (no needle) and open the pups mouth and squirt it in the back of there mouth.

Yes what Craig said again the wormer that most vets use is Strogid most pups like it and his dosage is correct!
 
Safe Gaurd and Panicur are the same wormer just different names! It helps more with whip and hook worms! The more they are off the ground the better protected they are from worms!
The Dosage on Safe Gaurd is 2 1/2 cc per 10 three days in a role! But would not do that until 6 weeks or older!

Alrighty I will get the strongid then.
Thank y'all again this has helped a lot

I'm sure y'all are gettin tired of this but I think it's my last question
In the kiddie pool should I put shavings or somethin?  I've put cotton in my dog houses but wasn't sure if o should do the same for them

Use news papper.....

Hey Chase, you have gotten some real good advice so far, but one thing I want to mention is parvo shots. IMO it is better to call your local vets and see who will give you the best deal on shots than it is to buy them at a feed store. Once you take them out of the fridge and they reach a certain temperature, they are no good and really dangerous to use. Back when I first started raising pups, I learned the hard way. I was buying from the feed store and within 24 hrs of giving the shots, my whole litter was sick with parvo and I have heard of this happening to several other people. Some of my friends order theirs from the pet supply magazines and haven't had any problems. Not sayin all feed stores don't take care of their stock, just sayin if the litter is really important to you, it is something to take into consideration. When you do pick up your shots, be sure to take an ice chest or at least a bag of ice to stuff them inside until you get home. Hope you have some healthy pups.        Britt Garcia

I use hay and then keep it fresh for winter pups!

Thank y'all
And thank you britt I was wonderin aboutthat as well. I kno a few vets around here pretty good so I'll call around.

I have used a kitty pool before but I had problems with the pups sliding as they push forward when feeding.  I really recommend something with the piggy rails.  I know they have saved some of my pups from getting smashed by the momma.  Another thing I have done and I guess it depends on the momma is let them nurse as long as they can.  I had some bulldog pups that were nursing still at 8 weeks.  As long as the momma dont mind the teeth.

i like straw,  you will want to change out all the bedding after the pups are born cause it will be wet and nasty.  southtexas has a good point on sliding put down a rug or old quilt under the straw, when you change out the bedding.

X2....I like the straw real good for just keeping the dogs warm in winter period, but it is harder to find down here than for y'all Craig.....reason I said papper was just for the first coupple days cause it will need changed regularly. I use a dog igloo with papper and a carpet and old coat over the door when cold then after the first coupple days I put down carpet and hay or if lucky straw.

The stew seens to last longer and don't pack real tight,kinda stays fluffy.

Another thing I do is get baby formula and suplement the gyp with a scoop or two over wet food the last 3 weeks or so for all the extra vitamins,seems to help them from dropping so muuch weight keep her on a scoop or two a day till weaning then use it when you wean also.

what no straw.....   

Alrighty. I believe I'll go with the rug and paper at first then after she has them I'll go to the straw.
Thank y'all again. This has helped me out a bunch and is greatly appreciated

I am sure it is around somewhere just harder to find down this way....I found some in Conroe last year and got enough for the winter. I always used hay till I was at Bobs one time and seen that straw...I like it much better but harder to find.

whatever you use dont use shavings before the pups are up and about.....i lost over half a litter of real nice rednose pits....the shavings are small enough where the pups shovel it up in their mouths while they are scooting to the mother for feed.....thus they strangle or choke to death.....i learned the hard way......just a thought......pigstkr

Chase,,
   you have pups yet ?

Thanks pigstkr I won't do that.

No sir not yet. Should be by the end of this month tho!

i was gonna add this same thing. i learned the hardway too. now i buy shots at the vet they cost just alittle more but they always fix me up with a ice pack and cooler. I think it was 10 bucks a shot but i feel the feed stores might not care to much if they are kept cool or not. the other thing is my vet said they are not protected from parvo until they have had THREE shots 6 weeks 10 weeks and the last one at 14 weeks.. i have been doing this and no problems knock on wood..

Another method I use, because I don't like straw or shaving in my concrete kennels it gets in the drainage system and clogs up everything. If you are on dirt is okay.

But, I like to get old carpet and cut it to the size and shape of my whelping boxes, it gives the pups good traction, insulates them from the cold and makes it comfy for the momma dog to lay down with out getting elbow sores from the hard surface below.
Its usually free as people throw carpet out all the time.
So I have several peices to rotate out when it gets too dirty, I take and hang up and take the high pressure water hose to it and let it hang dry, and just keep rotating them.

There are a million plans on the internet for whelping boxes, with rails to keep momma from laying on the pups when they are real small. that are easy and cheap to build.
I use a 4X4 size box made out of 2X10 boards, its heavy enough to keep the carpet scraps in place when the carpet size is cut just a littler bigger than the box size.
You can make a puppy rail out of PVC pipe that is screwed to the 2X10 about 2-4 inches up from the floor, to give the puppies a place to rest from being layed on and suffocated.

I can also put a heating pad under the corner of one side of the carpet, or hang a heat lamp over the top of the whelping box.

I'm with Krystal, old carpet...or those cheap area rugs from the dollar store work real good.

Thank y'all again. I don't guess I've seen the whelping boxed before. I like that idea so I can do the piggy rails. And the carpet sounds a lot easier to mess with than straw or news papers so I think I'll go that route. Thanks uglydog

I built an eight by eight coup with ¾ marine plywood floor two feet off of the ground. I used heavy 1x 2 wire and 2x4’s. The whole thing is six foot tall with four foot clearance between floor and roof. I use it for a whelping pen or hospital pen when I get dogs cut up. I put the gyp in it a week before she is due and do not let her out until the pups are weaned, the pups stay till they have had all there shots.
   I also have had a very bad experience  with parvo vaccines , I raised a litter of pups two years ago and lost the best pup at six months old even after three shots. I will not by from a feed store again and will not use fort dodge vaccine again!! I only use Pfizer  vaccine.

good luck with them pups, glad to see youre gonna do what you can to make sure they all turn out with an advantage, I hate how some folks say if they make it they make it, especially in summer and winter

just gunna update yall. i didnt get to make a whelping box i never got the extra money to buy the wood, but i got four pups on the ground they were born today. shes had 6 so far. their lookin good. 3 lil girls and a boy. i will post some pics tomorrow.

thank yall again for the help

thats great !!!!!!   let us know if have any questions

i will thank you

Here's a few pics

The Dam is cut and cat. Sire is cur plot and cat

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pups look good,  you got some color..

they look good congrats. i wanna see some more pics of the ticked up lil one.

Nice lookin pups man What's the price in them

Lol ya I was really surprised with the colors. I don't kno how good y'all. Can tell but two ate brindle and the other one is just dark. And the white one doesn't have the lil spots alover her. That's just her bein dirty. the big spots are her color tho

But I will get some better pics up before long

And 5150 I'm not sure. I don't like to be stingy but this is the first set of pups out of the sire. He's probably the best dog that I personally have hunted behind. He's a jam up dog so we got high hopes for the pups. And the gyp is good herself just still Young and hasn't figured it all out yet.

Well bad news. I got home earlier the white one is gone. I was kinda iffy about her makin it. She wasn't very strong from the beginning

I fully understand man I don't blam you I've got some rednose pups should be due next week and I'm the same way lol imma get rid of a couple for 200 just for the vet bills you know butvthe rest ima try to turn out oh and sorry to hear about the white one hope all goes well

thank you. and if she would have had more i probably woulda got rid of some. but my choices right now are a lot slimmer than i was exoecting lol
hope them red noses work out for ya

Thanks man I'll post some pics when it happins I really like your questions theyve help me out too