EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Any body drove and took time out of ur own day to go drive 3 or 4 hours to pick up a dog or dogs from someone u trust is selling u a good dog or a half way decent dog from someone who sais they have a guide service with the dog and you pay 4 or 500 dollars for it and then drive all the way there to get it? Ya it's bull crap

Yes I have.  It sucks and there is nothing you can really do about it except drive that three to four hours and beat the living crap out of him.  At least thats what I wanted to do.  Just out of curiousity where did this happen.  Pm me the info if you dont mind.  You cant post the info here, but you can pm it to anyone that asks for it.  I did.

Been there, done that years ago. Now I buy on trial only

Yea,only my trips to buy a dog are usually 10-12 hrs.Sometimes ya get a good one a lot of times you dont,just a chance you take when you
dont train your own.Some peoples Idea of a good dog differ from others.My whole pack is somebody elses culls,but they are the only ones I can afford.Someday I'll raise some that are jam up dogs and they will be priceless cause I trained em.

Now are you trying to say the dog didn't turn out or that simply spending that kind of time and money on one dog is bull crap? the way it read to me is that It's crazy how we will spend that kind of time and money just for hunting. but if the dog didn't turn out then yeah it's bull crap.

yea i have tried dogs from all the surrounding states and have been dissipointed everythime when i got home some i took back and some i just culled to keep someone else from getting screwed over, but everybody buying a dog needs to remember, people that hog hunt are not gonna sell a good dog or one that has good potential because they hunt, and if they just did happen to sell a dog one of their buddys would get first chance on buying it, not some guy they dont know, i think the best thing to do is get a puppy and start hunting with someone with good dogs and it may take several puppys or buy from someone getting out of hunting, and if its one thing people will lie about its a dog, i have hauled my share of dogs across the country and wont go get another one, i get mad everytime i think about it, but i raised some and are satisfied with them

Burnt a lot of diesel!!!

Buying a dog on trial is no better than buying it without.  Nor is having a contract written.  It is all a gamble.  Go hunt with the dog first or suffer the consequences!!!    ;) ;)

I have to agree with Ag on that,many of these guys that put dogs on trial have fake IDs and will use stolen license plates so when you go to return the dog they vanish.I have be burned 2 times in 2 years,unless the person is willing to show me the dog up in a hogs face in the wild he wont get my money.Also many people will show you what a dog will do on a penned hog,I dont care what he can do in a pen I want to see what he does in the jungle.Do you know where you are,your in the jungle baby?Had to throw that in. O0

That dont always work either.I watched a dog hunt his butt off out to 800 yds then he shut down a big boar.Bought him,took him huntin and he
just stood at my feet and looked at me.Dropped him in fresh sign,and he just stood at my feet lookin at me.I was about to get disgusted but I
seen this dog work before I bought him.Dropped him out with my gyp caught a couple hogs and hes startin to come back around.Just gotta remember a dog still has a mind of his own and sometimes it just takes time to adjust.

Yes

The guy was from sulphur springs Texas and I'm talking about the dog stay behind me about 100yards at all times and won't hunt until another dog strikes a hog and then it decides to to go help bay. It's bull crap! I won't do it agan cuz my gf hasn't let me live it down! 500 down the drain for a dog that's hardly worth 200

x2- some times it can take weeks before they settle in....i dont believe that the only dogs people sell are the dogs people dont want...i sold a cat male that i raised from a pup and is a decent dog ...nothing wronge with him...my other dogs out hunted him some...but he can find his own hogs and is fully broke....we had a litter of pups from the same bloodlines and needed space...so sometimes your not buying other peoples trash. ...now on the trial part...there are a lot of thiefs out there...your better off buying from someone you know or that are well known(like us good people on here;)) Good luck on futer buying!!! p.s it is 10 x better if you have the time to train your own pups. i fill like its more rewarding when your dog you trained yourself finds and catches their own hogs :) jmo, Mrs kbar!

The guy talked about this dog being an almost finish led dog and u can't even get him to stay in front of u with my other dogs. He told me this dog stuck him several hogs and that he has a guide service. Must be a pretty sucky service lol oh well nothing i can do now except not do it again

So, you didn't see the dog hunt before you bought it???

good dogs r good dogs.they should hunt for u or n e body.a good dog will get it done n texas,okla, akr,it dont matter.my good dogs will hunt whenever and wherever for whoever.all the dogs i have seen that had to get used to u and all that crap they never will or were number ones.a good dog will get n done anytime, anywhere for anybody,if he dont cull him,and i dont mean post on the dog trade.

Get references, get on the forum and ask people if they have bought a dog from this person. Take a picture of the person you buy the dog from. There are a few dog peddlers that screw people over all the time and never seem to get caught. It seems like you hear about somebody getting screwed on a dog deal every few weeks.

I've hunted dogs outa south,east,an west texas an louisiana an jus cause its a good dog in that part of the country it doesn't mean its gona be as good where you hunt I think an jus my 2cents that the type of envoirment or land you hunt effects the way a dog hunts an does things

X110 not talking smack but I know of a few dogs that wouldn't cut it here where we hunt, but made good dogs down south.. Flatter ground and way more open country

Mohog your completly right. Just because a dog works good in one pack. He may not be the alpha dog in another pack. Plus dogs are animals and not machines.....They will do what they want to do. Almost like a teenager.....Every dog has its own personality. Me and sportsman just got a badass pit from PA.Well he was in a bus for 3 or 4 days and skitish when we first met. Dogs get attached to the person that feeds them or stressed when they get moved around to. I'd say give the dog a few weeks then make an assumption.

Yes burnt  diesle and time more  than I would like to mention Made a mistake and met a fellow somewhere and bought dogs on trial and trusted this guy dogs never saw a hog before and he changed his number dumbest thing I ever did. Like they say live and learn will never buy another dog unless I see the dog work before I leave and will pick up the dog at the guys house so I know where he lives.

If you want to play you have to pay, with all of the million hogs more than when i started hunting with dogs in the 60s when they were few and far between who is to blame when somebody does not go hunting with a trial dog with the money still in his wallet??  Did the dog trader pull a gun on you in the classifed add and fource you to get in too big a hurry or and use bad judhgement and pay beofore you try????     No, peeps want instant strike dogs for free and want them delevered by a dog trader yesterday, its always the same, you should have been with me when cat dogs were worth $2000 to $5000 for a straight cat dog that would catch enuff bobcat hides to buy a new 67 1/2 ton truck from hides and gas was cheap, we hunted every night school was out during xmass holiday till it went back inlol  A hog dog cost $50 back then and it was really a javinalla dog that saw about a 400 javilinas for every hog they were so scare from all of the screwworms killing everthing, a cataloula dog that could wind a cow or calf full of screwworms was worth $1000 and was not for sale, you would work every time if you had such a dog too and people called day and night or you to come and doctor worms.   Find a ol dog trader and deal with him is my advice, to easy to post a dreamer dog on the web in here and get peeps to drive or send money beofre they try i guess is the answer.

everybody needs to quit making excuses for sorry dogs.good dogs get it done ,plain and simple.good dogs dont need to get used to u,good dogs fall out and go do there damn job.thats why there is so much junk out there.hunt hard and cull even harder.

 Another good pratice is if you buy a dog off the forum go to the persons profile go to there "persons last post" and if they have 100 post and 75 of them are selling dogs,well most likely they are a dog trader or they go thru alot of dogs.

I agree I've hunted alot of dogs to know that a good dog is a GOOD dog! Ya if they r a good dog it doesn't matter who's hunting them. I sold two of the best dogs I've ever owned to a guy in louisiana and they hunt just as good with I'm as they did with me

i agree and disagree with some of these post. as far a good dog hunting for whoever and whenever isnt always true. some dogs do have to adjust to there new owners and there new pack. dogs feel stress and anxiety just like people, and new homes and packs probably cause some. the times ive bought dogs i always fed them for a week or two before hunting them and socialized them with the other dogs. and just because a dog is for sale doesnt always make it a cull, even though that is usually the case. my definition of a "GOOD" dog is one that is rangey, with a good nose, is good at holdin a bay but if not will stick with a hog till hes too tired to run. if i raise some pups and by the time they 12 months there still huntin close they go for sale. to me close range is code word for cull. but to alot of people that i know they would sale the dog if he was ranging over 400 yrds.

Welcome to hunting with dogs.  From the time you take the money out of your pocket until the dogs dies, you took a risk with your money.
   

 

Dont necessarily agree with that.  Both of my finished dogs, i hunted with and lived next door to one, fed and cared for her while neighbor was out of town for years.  When i got both of them (years apart), they wouldnt do nothin for me the first few times out.  both of them knew me for at least a year each.. but it took time for them to realize they were hunting for me know and not the previous owner.  Till the day my old gyp died if my buddy who raised her was with me in the woods, she would hunt for him and not me.  Some dogs are just weird but i once she realized I was the new boss it was back to buisness as usual.

thats true rd , i'll tellya what i was always told about curdogs , if they get traded around too much alot of em will go to chit .

Ive heard that too.. My male now has been through prob 5 people.. but hes still getting it done.. just took me a little while longer with him.. even though I had hunted with him for about two years.. He just wasnt mine then.

If a cur dog or any hunting dog gets traded  often more than likely that dog is a cull.

I have seen quite a few top notch mtn curs quit hunting for several months because they do not want to hunt for the new owner. Once they accept the new owner as the "MASTER," the dog will hunt and within a few hunts will be back to his true hunting form. These dogs need to be treated with a lot of care, you have to make friends with it and take it with you on rides and long walks and have lots of patience. Lose your cool once with these type of dogs you might as well cull the dog because it will be a setback. Usually these type of dogs do not need much correction. These type of dogs have a tendency to be one man dogs.

A really good dog is usually not for sale unless you have lots of money or are willing to sacrifice and pay for a great dog. I choose to buy several pups from a good line of dogs and then breed them and select from these dogs. It is a slower process but well worth the wait. This way I can test and evaluate the pups and hopefully pick the best from the whole litter. I have always been happier doing it this way.

However, it is better to have a dog that wants to hunt regardless of who takes it.

When I was younger the phone company charged quite a bit for long distance and I spent lots of money on calls and not to mention gas and travel time, bought lots of dogs that I had to cull later. I will not waste my time doing that again. Been there done that...

It is amusing to me that these dog traders always have just what you are looking for. At least make them describe the dog to you and have them tell you how the dog hunts before you say anything about what you are looking for. Chances are they don't know how a good dog is supposed to hunt or look like, much less breed one.... ;D

It has nothing to do with excuses........... I just got this pitbull that is points away from being a champion pitbull. Well to say the least he would just sniff a 40lb hog. I let an experiance catch dog grab one ear and like lighting guess what happened.....The dogs instincts took part and is grabbing ear all by himself...I'll be posting some vid's soon.

All dogs have the instinct to hunt. The thing is the instinct has been some what breed out of them. Kinda like colors size hair length and all. If you don't have time to train an animal.Hey you got money right?  Anybody can buy a dog and go hunting.BUT like poker if you dont know what your doing....Your gonna lose your asss in some cash. Dogs are like kids.Some days they are gonna do what you need them to do and other days there going to sit in there room.

Bigdog I guess your to picky expecting a dog to hunt where ever you drop him, with who ever drops him on the ground :D maybe you and I expect to much from these old dogs  ;) If I buy the dogs feed he better hope he isn't feeling shy or sad to many day's in a row or be having a mid life crisis, if it does I have a solution for him to help get over it real quick.

 My husbands cousin is wanting to get into hogdogging and he has a pup but he wants to buy a finished dog also. We warned him to be very careful about buying a dog and told him to be sure to see it hunt before he buys one. He found a dog for sale. When he told the guy that he wanted to see it hunt before he bought it, the guy said fine but there would be an extra 100 dollars added to the price.  ??? IF IT COSTS AN EXTRA 100 DOLLARS FOR ME TO SEE YOUR DOG HUNT, THEN THAT FREAKIN DOG BETTER FIND A HOG, BAY IT, CATCH IT, LOAD IT UP AND THEN CLEAN IT WHEN WE GET HOME! What a douche bag! That just sends a red flag to me that you are not someone that i would ever do business with.

If the dog is healthy and a good hunting dog it will always hunt for the master. Usually a good hunting dog does not have a bad day. The dog might not hunt to his/her full potential but it will hunt.

yea a good dog is just a good dog thats all it is to it and a sorry dog needs to be culled on the spot, take the money lose learn from the lesson and dont rip someone else off, if culling ever crosses the mind go ahead and do it, its the right choice if you dont do it then ,you will talk your self out of it and waste dog food

life is a gamble, buying a used truck is no different than buying a dog you dont no whats wrong with it but it looks good.

my bud sold a a 7 yr dog to 1 other bud and to this day he is not huntin any where near his potential.he was a 1 owner dog for those years never hunted by anyone else.but we all had hunted  behind the dog and knew how he hunted,wouldnt quit a hog,sometime pizzz ya off cause he wouldnt quit,go yonder kind. but he still aint doin it quite up to par for the new owner.offered to buy him back but they been catchin hogs with him so decided to keep him. point is IMHO the way a dog is raised will determine how they are gonna hunt if theyre sold to someone else.

99% of people wont sell a sure enough finished dog. You dont hear many people say " Yeah, I got this dog, man, he just hunts too good for me, bays too many hogs"  Instead you hear "Im downsizing" Or "I got some young dogs coming up and need the room"  Ive got two that are truly finished and theres no amount of money that can touch them. That being said, if I had to quit hunting for some reason, Id give them to my close hunting buds.

Ive made those trips myself and bought dogs that were culls. But I think the guys who sold them REALLY thought they were good dogs.  The best way to do it is to raise a few young ones a year, keep the good ones and cull the rest.   8)   

X3 I've picked up dogs from north ms and brought them down to south la and would not hunter our terrain for sqwat I geuss they didn't like the marsh but then I've bought dogs from around the same place and took the guy hunting and he said he wanted to buy him back cause he never seen the dog hunt like that I told him no of coarse but I always hunt with a dog before I buy it's a must and I like a trail on them too jmo

The only way to get good dogs for certain is to BREED THEM YOURSELF.

 I know it’s easier to buy started dogs and adults and what not BUT it is too much aggravation--- not all folks are DOG PEOPLE some are hunters who use dogs but have no understanding of dogs and proper dog husbandry (not dising hunters at all here folks, just stating a fact based on careful observation).

The say may snd cliché but its true ---“one man’s trash is another man’s treasure”---

I personally know of TWO dogs that hunted incredibly well for their owner and would flat out refuse to hunt for anyone else, they wouldn’t even leave the truck ---WHY??? I have no clue--- they got returned and continue to hunt for its first owner ---explain that one to me---

I have said it for years... breed your own and you will be happier for it if you choose the pups correctly.

Also some dogs only hunt for there master and a new owner won't be the master for a long while with some dogs. These dogs I am talking about can be as good as the best that ever hit the woods... A lot of Mtn Curs are this way.

Yea but what if you buy a dog from one of thoes big time yella dog breeders they will always shoot you straight.......LOL

Hog HUnter 57 you are incorrect about that. I bought a couple of pups off a Hall of Fame breeder with a written contract saying if not working by a year bring them back to get another pup or money back.  Well almost 2 yrs later and lawyer fees I finally got 2/3 of my money back.  May be a Hall of Fame breeder but sure as hell is not Hall of Fame with his word!!! This is just my own personal opinion and a particular situation that happened to me. 

I agree...

Dang i was going to go buy some from that guy that has his son sell his dogs as papered dogs but then does not honor the papers to reg the dogs for like $800. Dang I guess thoes high dollar yella dogs don't live up to the hipe and i guess a contract is only good if you feed the right feed and let them chase butterflyes.........>LOL

Oly, I agree, we have hog hunters and we have dogmen/women that hunt hogs with dogs. These dogmen and dogwomen like hog hunting but the real love is breeding the right dog and taking pleasure in breeding better hunting dogs.

One breeders idea of what a good hunting dog is is another breeders cull....

If hunting traits were colors like if the left ear were green it was a medium range dog that won't quit a trac or if it were purple it meant the dog was long range with no quit and if that ear was striped pink and blue it wouldn't hunt. If the right ear was gold colored it was a very rough dog or the right ear was orange the dog was loose baying but wouldn't let the hog break bay because it would do all it could to stop it.. IF ALL HUNTING TRAITS WERE VISUAL EVERYONE WOULD HAVE GOOD HUNTING DOGS... :)Because the culls would have been  removed from the gene pool long long ago.

i like that way of thinkin Reuben.save a lot food time and heartache