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Its evident that people are too soft hearted. I recently experienced someones lack of responsibility when they gave a dog away to someone they knew because they were culling it for aggression and knew the dogs potential but clearly didnt give enough of a damn to cull it themselves. Here is where it hurts the most my main catchdog is out for weeks now because of this dog attacking her while on a hunt. If you have a dog that aint on the up and up dont put people (children) and other dogs in jeopardy by simply giving to someone who is new to the sport and desperate to put a team together. Take some responsibility for the greater good!

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 it's never easy, but it's a must be done when needed...

x3 and thats enough said

 X4- Aggression of any type should not be put up with or passed along in any circumstance.

to put it bluntly... you have to be pretty sorry if you knowingly sell a cull.

I'm with Reuben. I got burned a bunch starting out and it sucks.

Outstanding post bro. I concur 100% its about time somebody throws it out there to be chewed on seriously. Ill bet your gonna get some good posts from the ol timers on this lil subject.

Nice post. I completely agree.

A guy I hunt with some gave me a dog a few years ago. It was like a giant yella BMC and must have weighed 100 pounds. When I got him he was skinny and I got him fed up and wormed.

I don't know how to describe it but I didn't like the look in his eye. Always heard that the eye is the window to the soul. This dog was not agressive at all to a hog and did not find his own hog that much.

The first thing you know he got to snapping at people if they got close to his kennel. I thought he might just be protective. One morning I was going to reach in the kennel and give him a pat and he nearly got my hand. It would have been easy to loose some fingers on that deal.

I just walked into the house and got my squirrel rifle and took care of the problem. When he knew the jig was up he looked at me from his dog house and growled when I walked up to the kennel.

A guy I hunt with now has got a dog that started fighting this year. In fact his son got bit by this dog trying to break up a fight about a month ago. He could be a great dog except for the fighting.

Well I am brand new and really hate the fact that this happens, i have got a couple new dogs in the last couple weeks,and so far so good!!! Im with Rueben on this one,,,pretty sorry to pass culls off on others.

X 2 with reuben,  VERY SORRY!!!!  to trade an aggresive dog!! 
I had some kind of red bone male dog, was a jam up hog dog, not ill toward dogs and my son would play with him all the time, but went to feed one day and my son with me, the dog wheeled around and snapped at my son, had a little training session and 1st and ONLY warning, the second time he tried it, was his last!!

I also had a dog i didnt like for some reason or other that my buddy wanted, so we done some trading  that dog ended up downing a couple young dogs of mine.   So the moral of the story is, trading off or pawning off culls will eventually come back and bight you in the butt.   what goes around comes around, sooner or later. 
  So now, culls don't leave my yard, PERIOD. ;) :D

I had to cull a couple Saturday morning. Not for aggression but definitly had some bad habbits that couldn't be fixed. I'll work with a dog for a while but if I find out it's nothing but a feed bill and a danger to the breeding of well bred dogs... Audios! I will say, I may seem soft sometimes just because I've seen some real good dogs culled because of people that knew nothing about training a dog. There's a lot of culling in this world that need to be done... and not just dogs.

Man yall are speakin the truth me and a buddy just got started...been burned once a piece, now you dont wanna trust anybody

i've been burned once or twice... i find it hard to believe that a person would sell a dog who portrays a bad image on themselves.... i am the same way with horses... if it is a bad bronc then i will cull it simply for the fact that i dont want my name related to him or a horse that will hurt someone... plain and simple i would much rather cull a dog then sell a bad dog and have my name come up as some one who is related to fighting dogs or dogs who are not what they should be

If alot more people would cull dogs instead of pass them off then their would be alot better dogs out their I where I come from if you want to eat you better work same goes for the dogs

That's one reason I've never bought a puppy. I'm all for well bred dogs but when you start out paying way too much for a pup and he needs to be culled, a lot of people would rather sell it than take the loss.

There you go!  cant argue that. I agree 100%.  For the love of money, is the root of all evil: GOD

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That is the main problem these days is that the "Art" is not practiced anymore. The old timers had the best dogs because they did two main things, Culled inadaquate stock religiously and hunted for a living. We all can't do both these days but one for sure. If you pass an inadaquate dog off to another knowingly, I believe strongly enough to say you should be ashamed of yourself to still lay claim to the sport. Take the loss if you have to and chalk it up to being in the working dog buisness. You will be respected and respect yourself in the end. If you can't bring yourself to practice the art, well ok "GIVE" it away as a "YARD DOG".   

  For the guys and gals that have hunted behind my dogs and like them, I'll let them in on a big secret. I got a pretty big bone pile! On another note: sometimes a dog doesn't hunt the way I like and can go and make someone else a good one. Aggression of any kind is not tolerated on my yard or while I'm hunting!!!! It also has to be understood that dogs put each other in place, but had better not get out of hand.

good posts here guys! i too have been dooped a time or two in the begining. i chalk it up to being somewhat nieve at the time. i got into this sport on my own and really had no clue what i was getting into when i started. its now been 10 years since i was given my first hog dog and ill say this........out of all the dogs i have owned, the ones that were given to me turned out to be dogs that i would have never sold....ever...and then there are the ones that i paid good money for that shoulda been culled long before i got them. it seems the art of culling has ceased to exsist. guys will sell off anything for a quick buck. i have never sold a single dog. the ones that i bought that didnt work out arent around. there arent many hog doggers in my area and the last thing i would want is to get a rep for pawning off number 2ty dogs to unsuspecting newbies. i would much rather have a rep for having great dogs that people want but cant get. kinda like ''man i wish he would sell me one or two of those dogs '' , instead of '' that guy is a dog trader with a yard full of culls''.

My buddy had a bull dog that he used for catching and weight pulling.  The dog was his baby,he loved that dog.  When his daughter was around two the dog snapped at his daughter.  Realizing the liability he did the right thing and gave the dog a 9mm relaxer.  Some times being responsible isnt pretty.

I understand this and i do believe in culling but i just "GAVE" a guy that is just starting a 10 month old dog that is out of some jam up dogs but really wasnt impressing me, was i wrong in doing this? Should i have culled the dog instead of giving it away? Just would like to know what yall would have done?

no i dnt think u were wroung, i myself just gave a 8 month old plott to a guy that was just getting started because the dog was not at the level i felt he should have been i also gave him a 3 month old pup to raise AND he did purchase a dog from me and he is very satisfied with her

Ten months old is too young to cull. It also depends on what kind of dog it is and what strain.

When I was breeding mtn curs I expected certain traits and level of progression at 3 months 4 months up to 10 months. If they didn't meet that I culled because I was trying to breed better dogs and produce a higher percentage of good dogs per litter. I also knew that any extreme training to get the dog to perform would also be passed on to some of the pups so I tried to pick the naturals as often as I could.

However, if I wanted a good hunting dog and didn't care about a breeding program I would wait at least until 14-16 months of age before culling and again the breed and size of the dog has something to do with maturity and progress.

My opinion is if you choose to "Sell" just make sure it works. Everyone's expectations for a working dog are different. One man's cull is possibly anothers best dog. But what I am preaching about is don't roll Trash that you know aint gonna cut it. And definantly don't miss represent what you have to make up for your loss. Tell it like it is and people will respect you more for being honost and more than likely the dog will sell anyway due to that honesty. Cull the Trash and save everyone the headache from now on.    What you did brother is 100% respectable.   

if i have culls most of the time there are old men around were i live that just want yard dogs or dogs to ride in the truck with them thats were most of my culls go. if there are any aggression or anything like that then go to ( doggy heaven )  ;)

as far as young dogs... you must give them time to get comfortable... typically it is for me 6 mounths showing intrest and 1 yr getting serious(depending on his age when you get him)... if at that point i'm not happy and someboy wants him then they can take them... but i will not sell a dog that i dont like... a good reputation is hard to come by.. a bad reputation is easy...

This was my first post on ETHD and it worked out for the best a man came and bought both dogs and he loves them last I heard anyways.
The first one is around 4 I bought her as a finshed hog dog and that's exactly what she was FINISHED!!! As in done will not hunt at all will not go to bay will not do anything in the woods finished!   In a bay pen she will get with it but I'm not trying to bay hogs that are already in a pen. The guy I got her from also said that she will blood trail I was doubtin that after I saw her in the woods hog hunting but a friend shot a deer and it ran 900yds from where he shot it and he looked for 4 1/2 hours before he called so it was a hard trail for the dog but she did find it. I payed $400 for her with a year guarantee. The only guarantee is the guy will not answer my phone calls!  If someone wants her I will take what ever you will give me. She is very pretty dog she is a tri-color stands 19 inches. After gettin burnt a couple times on dogs I will guarantee I will shoot it to you  straight! 325-642-3498  I hope with putting a honest post like this up it may encourage everyone that has a non hog dog to follow and stop gettin to the guys like myself that's trying to get into hog huntin and gettin fed a line of mess. I'm not talkin to everyone but everyone knows what I'm talkin about.

We all have to start some where but i think some people see a dog not go out 900 yards as a 8 month old pup and cull it. Well that is fine but if you are talking about some straight hounds they mature more slowly than others and some types of curs get with it earler than others. So when you are culling make sure you what you are dealing with. By all means if the dog is a yard dog do not pass it off as a hog dog. 

I think a clarification needs to be made here.  Culling a dog for dog-dog aggression or dog-human aggression vs. not performing.  Aggression to any thing other than the desired game is not to be tolerated at all, period, end of story, cull that dog now!  A dog that is not performing to standard should never be sold as something it is not, that is ethics.  A non performer can make a pet for someone else,  an aggressive dog cannot under any circumstances be placed in the hands of another person unless that person is doing your culling (pulling the trigger) for you.   

no aggresive dog should be passed but a dog that is not performing to your standards might be to someone elses standards just be honest and let them know exactly what they are getting. i know some bmc's that aren't hunting dogs at all but are very good watchdogs

got burned 800 buckjs just starting totally understand. dog hurt my wife too. dead now

I got someone mad at me on another board for this very reason. If you don't have the b@lls to cull then don't breed dogs. Some dogs need to be culled and that may be getting them clipped and letting them hunt or be a pet. Some dogs may need to removed to protect the public. But if you breed then you have to make the call about what leaves your yard. If you don't want your name on it then don't let it go out.

Dub,

That was good... :)

not to be rude to yall it was a great subject but... i ddont think this is something peta needs to see on here and how wd cull dogs