EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Where do you find black dogos or for that matter pure bred papred dogos othere than white?

If any one can tell me i would like to get one or can i see some pics?

i thought they only come in white and maybe black patch

not sure. just asking.

the breed standard mandates a minimum of 90% white

Unless its mixed you won't find one other than white

If it ain't white it ain't a Dogo.

Breed specs:

COLOR : Completely white; only one black or dark colored patch around the eye may be admitted, provided that it does not cover more than 10% of the head. Between two dogs of equal conformation, the judge should always choose the whiter one.

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57, 
  It was the biggest mistake in the development, in my opinion.  But, white is it.  Get you a cross, they make better catchdogs anyways and they're healthier.   :o

Hey Kevin, what health problems are dogos prone to? I'd guess deafness, but what else have you seen?

Skin issues, lots of allergies.   A friend of mine actually had one that was allergic to pork. Lol

kevin why would you say a cross makes a better catch dog ? the only reason i can think of is that its cheaper but not better

Oh the Dogo haters are on it now. rolleyes

Dub, I have been feeding atleast one dogo everyday for the last 12 years.  Easily been more than 20 total.  If I hated them, I don't think that would be the case.  I like them enough to cross them to my other dogs. 

  I think they make better catchdogs because pure dogos were bred to be hunted in a pack.  Alot of them regrip a lot.  They're typically too big also.   As far as price, I haven't paid for a dogo in 10 yrs so its not the cost.

You own and hate? I do wish they were not white too. I am talking smack to you Kevin. Cross if you want. I don't hate just talk smack. I like to hear what is working for who.

i had three brother at once i could take anyone on em and they could handel a good size hog better then any pit or bulldog i ever owned , maybe thats why u never paid for a dogo cause they were culls , spend the $ get a goodin

I guess that's where I screwed up too....just didn't pay enough.

Oh that is the secret. I can sell some real good dogs then. I will just push the price up ;D I can even sell some top black or other color Dogos. The price is so high that you know they are great dogs. Just remember, "in God I trust, all others pay cash!"

Sorry I had to jump on this. ;D

Ahhh... Bryant... your dry humor cracks me up brother...  ;D

Dark colored Dogos...... Here I go again.... I get in trouble with the wife for spendin' too much time bullchittin' with youin's but I can't help but get sucked into a subject like this...

DOGOS... Got a good one(Thank you LaHistoriaDogos), and as best as I can describe... A genetic hog dog... great at some things, not so great at others... but still a 1000% hog dog...

I can actually see the passion bred into these dogs by hunters a world away.... hunters with a different style, different terrain... but a hog dog is still a hog dog....

As for the color issue... wouldn't hurt my feelin's a bit to own a colored Dogo... HOWEVER.... I hunt some real "keen" white cur dogs myself... and don't have any health issues because they're white...  To tell the truth... I actually would PREFER to hunt "mostly" white dogs because they're easy to see, especially at distance...  Me and mine see a white flash from a few hundred yds and it's as good as the ol' garmin sayin' "they're that-a-way"...  ;D

Been REAL tempted to cross Bucho with my rough cur dogs for some straight, run/catch/devastate dogs... I prefer to hear a good bay and slip in with a catch dog... but for the people that have been requesting my services lately, a smart RCD team would certainly fit the bill...



The health issues, I've always believed, are from extreme inbreeding/linebreeding... and the white sure seems to accentuate this problem...

My Dogo is a tremendous specimen... his faults are.... skin issues(baaad hot spots in summer requiring constant attention), slow healing properties(strange... not used to this)... He is too big for me, but hunted loose with some the same size, he might be perfect if that was your style...

I have been waiting for a reverse Dogo to show up on this board any day now. :D

LMAO!!!

Well i like them, and WILL own some in the future. Got one on lay-away now.    ;) ;D

Ha ha ha... it  amazes me how many people think more money = better dogs. ;D

Just because Kevin never paid for any, don't think they weren't these $$$$ dogs that you speak of. ;)

Boar, 
  Please enlighten me as to where I can aquire one of these dogs your talking about, and who do I talk too.

Kevin, I guess since all the new people in the "sport" in the past 5 years, you may need to introduce youself, what you have dealt with and list all the dogo kennels across this country you have tried and used their dogs each, knowing you speak the truth and everyone trying to furnish you a "better" to change your mind.

Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't the one allergic to PORK an direct import from Argentina?

More Money does Equal Better Quality right? because you can grow them better with Green or what?
That comment was TOO FUNNY, How do you know how much money was spent importing and purchasing of the great white beasts? evedentillay you figure whatever it was it, was not enough to make those dogs perform better? Dude tat does not make sense, and No dog should be sold with health issues for $20, $400, $1500, these people breeding these dogs with skin issues will reproduce dogs with skin issues that is nothing but common sense and truth be known I have no respect for someone knowingly REPRODUCING DOGS that intentionally in it for money, it compromises their ability to produce quality over quantity.

Would you call a reverse DOGO ,,,,,an OGOD ??????

black ;D

Lol that is funny right there

You mean one that will catch Ninja?  lol....

I still laugh every time I tell somebody about that dogo yall told us was allergic to pork..  :D

Now that is a cull!  :o

A cross with an AB or pit (or both  ;D) will tend to have a harder mouth/better catch than a straight Dogo.  The Dogo definitely contributes leg & lung to a cross.  Just my opinion/experience.  Not trying to raise any hairs.

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Actions speak louder then words!

Tomball Dogos, nice dogs... I like that short legged rat Terrier.

Those are some nice poodles ;D Just read on here and you know Dogos can't catch.

Nobody said they can't catch, I said the regrip if I remember right.  I bet there's atleast 1000 pics of pits catching for every dogo pic.

Good pictures Clint!

The double catch pics are great!

I know people like those pits. I don't think pits are the best just because it is a pit. But I am biased and like the Dogo as a more well rounded dog. But hunt What works.

Kevin I guess I have just been lucky with my Dogos. Never had any problems with re- gripping with my Dogos just to let you know I am a big time pit bull fan also before Dogos that is all I have ever owned and I am no expert on Dogos but I do know that the ones I have work and fit the way I hunt and they fit into my family very well and that is what is important to me. Kevin maybe one day we can meet up and go hunt

Even if the dog is working 4days a week like mine will in winter, themost time of its life will be spent at home with my daughter. How are the dogos REALLY? Don't just tell me their sweet as stripper kisses to save face. Honestly when compared to say a golden retriever or lab how would you rate their friendliness and loyalty?

Anytime Clint.

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T-Bob I dont have a lot of dogs like some of my buddies so I am able to spend a lot of time with all of them. when we go out of town to the lake my dogos go with me. here are some pics to look at so I would have to say next to a lab or a golden I would give my dogs a 10 on loyalty and friendliness.  I get to hunt these dog between 1-3 times a week and always around other dogs and people with no issues. my two year old gyp sleeps in bed with my six year old. these dogs are Not just hunting dogs but part of my family. no stripper kisses here !

A guy I hunt with alot took a Dogo in on a dog and equipment trade. I think that this dog was probably past his prime when he got him. He used his as a straight catch dog and did fine. Real easy to handle and was not a problem.

Another guy I hunted with only one time had 3 Dogos. He hunted south Texas alot and he hunted alot. You could tell that these dogs were well used by the scars. All of his dogs had some skin problems. They were pretty good dogs. The stuff looked like red mange to me.

T-Bob I will bring my puppy over and you can see.

them are some great pictures there , awsome lookin dogos also

Thanks, the reason I ask is that I am in the process of building kennels behind my office and will be putting all the curs there. Dub has a decent idea of the hours I work and where I live, so with me being gone that much even though my wifes a good shot with her sawed off side by side i feel alot better knowing a bad ask dog is home with her. I am highly familiar with pits and have had several, but i have super high expectations of a dogs home front behavior.  Even the slightest hint of animosityto my family and I will straight Michael Vick a dog. 
I'm starting to like the idea of a dogo.
 

As with any breed...depends on the dog and the bloodlines.

T-Bob, mine is great around people/kids he knows... lil' spooky if he get's to bein' crowded with too many new people "pawing" at him... but then again, so am I!!!!  ;D    He was never socialized at all till I got him, around 4yr's old... So I'm real careful to control how much "social anxiety" I allow him to get into(not unlike myself  ;D)...

MY daughter I trust around him without question... new kids I'm about a half second away 'till I see him relax and accept them...

It's not an aggression issue with him, more of a fear/defense from being crowded issue. 

He's the type of dog that just want's to be... not lookin' for trouble, just likes to hang out and be accepted as part of the family.... exactly the type of dog I like...

I have, and will always love a pit... but with all pits, there's always a sense of "unpredictability" that comes with them...

This Dogo is predictable, and I like that. 

Brain like a cur dog, catch like a pit... best of both worlds.

Is he as hard mouthed as a pit?  Hell no. 

Does he turn loose when it gets rough?  Hell no.... Small hogs(under 200#'s) are a game to him, no reason for him to shut eyes and hold... get him on somethin' with some ass and he'll show you what it means to hold however.....  ;)

Does he regrip?   Only to get a better mouthfull, other than that Hell no.

Does he CONTROL a big hog(thereby reducing damage to all dogs by controlling the "sling" factor).... Hell yes!!!!  (THIS is what I appreciate most about him as a catch dog.... He CONTROLS a hog, which takes the heat off my cur dogs big time... Caught another half dozen good hogs with him this wknd and my cur dogs are actually learning on their own to turn loose and catch their breath once Bucho gets there... never would have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.....


... You know what the REAL testament to this Dogo is?   My old school ranchers are asking me to breed him because they like him so much... Now THAT says volumes... These guys don't offer compliments on much...

Now I just have to find a female to match...   

I think as always everybody gets their panties in a BIg WAD, because someone says THIS IS THE BEST AND MY WAY IS BETTER, and then SOMEBODY ELSE SAYS ONE TIME A FRIEND of mine told me he seen a dog screw up. FOLKS GET OVER ALL THAT!

The Reason the Dogo subject always goes South is because a few will say this is the best breed hands down and was made to do this job and absolute #1.
JUST like anything else there are good specimens and bad specimans of the breed, problem is this board has some very experienced that have alot of experience with the breed and will tell you truthfully all the issues they have seen, and dealt with on a personal level, and when you compare the numbers of GOOD, REAL GOOD PROVEN dogs, healthy, dogs without allergies and that have good hearing, (alot of Hearing issues, Bilateral can still hear but can't pinpoint direction, and if you breed without actual testing in the woods or in a VET office you can't say for sure) Compared to all the junk and cull the PERCENTAGES OF THIS BREED being a "GOOD HUNTING dog" are not in your best advantage.

Alot of people claim their dogs are good hunters, and when those people making those claims Don't know how to hunt themselves, have NO business making these claims it only hurts the integrity of the breed that much more.

Unfortunately because many of the So called Dogo Breeders don't test for hearing, health and make sure they actually catch and hold when and where it counts, the breed will keep having this issue.
I want to tell some of these MICKEY MOUSE BREEDERS something that might keep themselves from looking STUPID to people that actually use dogs to hunt in real situations-
"A DOG THAT GRABS OR BITES IS NOT THE SAME Thing as Catching!  a Catch Dog and a dog that bites a hog are not the same thing"
If everybody got on the same page heir would be alot less misunderstanding and argueing.

Very true Krystal!!! Tell 'em how it is sister!!!!  ;D

I hear you, fortunately I'm not in a big rush for one, I have had a change of heart when it comes to certain dogs. I truly hate having to cull, ive had too many arguments with the wife over dogs she loved that didn't make. That being said ive become much more selective in my choices. I think when i finally make my move on a catchdog, it'll be an AB but I'm not ruling anything out yet.

Uglydog,

you said a mouthful right there... :)

If we all knew what a good hunting/strike dog is there wouldn't be so many culls out there.
 Same thing with catch dogs...

Krystal is so true. I am also on a Dogo board. I have never heard so many people claim to test prey drive. How about just hunting the dog. I hear some talk about breeding a cull to get certain properties.  I know it can work to develop a cross or a line. But with a breed? I hear the yippen but not about culling. If a dog throws culls then stop breeding it. I don't care if people are paying stupid money for them. I love the Dogo but it is not a miracle just a dog I really like. But breeders need to cull hard.

those double catch picks are awesome....my father in law had a dogo that was one of the best catch dogs i have ever seen....constantly had to doctor him for skin allergies though.

I've had a dogo for about Seven months now. I have fallen in love with the breed. My buddies hunt them and I have been impressed with what they can do. My dogo is about 5 years old. She was a house dog first then turned hog dog. Very well trained. She is fixed and deaf in one ear. We keep her out back with the other dogs and I have since gotten a puppy off of a friend. I will continue to have them because I like their loyalty and ability to hunt. I have not had this dog for that long but I know she will not only hunt for me but she will no doubt protect me and my wife. I'm with Tomball Dogos. Mine will be going to the lake with me this summer as well. Hope she can swim. I will post pics of her lounging around in the house.

 I became a whole hearted believer while hunting the Marranos muertos competition. My buddy's dogo held a 250 lb boar that cut down a pit before he got there by itself. Very impressive to me. I know pits can do the job as well and it will all boil down to what you like and what you like having in your yard. Posting from my phone. Will post up some pics later. Forewarning. My dogs Are definitely spoiled.

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Just wrote a paper on BSL about pit bulls and here is a quote that I used in my paper.

Several years ago the American Temperament Test Society ranked the Pit Bill fourth in best temperament out of all the breeds tested. Due to irresponsible owners, in more recent studies with more breeds included, the Pit Bulls numerical rank and passing rate has gone down but they still remain, with an 82.3% passing rate, slightly higher than the “All American Family Dog”, the Golden Retriever which has a passing rate of 80.2%. Their passing rate is also slightly higher than the average American dog that has a passing rate of 80.2% (Cohen and Richardson 288).

I would trust my dogo with an infant for hours by himself, just like I would a well bred, well socialized pit.

Chainrated... Im in college and only have my 70 lbs runt dogo with me at school in lubbock tx. Here in lubbock hogs are few and far between. Took him out after him not bein hunted in over a month. He struck and caught a good size sow. Dont know many pits that can do this.

Point here is, to each his own. Both dogos and pits make good hog dogs. If you can bay up a hog and walk in 30 yrs to turn a catch dog loose, lucky you, get a pit. Cheap, you may go through a few before you find the right one but oh well. If you need somethin more than get a dogo. My runt ass dogo doesnt regrip and has never curred out. Every breed has its problems, including pit. I have a buddy that has givin up on pit cuz he has probably culled 15+ in the past six months, hunts strait cur dogs now. I promise you, if you are at the right breeder, you wont cull any dogos, just like if you are at the right breeder you wont cull any pits. Anyone that has hunted behind my runt will testify that he is the real deal and would rather have him as a catch dog than any pit. There are many reasons behind this... he can hunt by himself, hes smart, you can let him go from hundreds, even 1000 yrds out if needed, and he is very people friendly... to the people he should be, like I said, he is smart. And like I said before, both pits and dogos make good hog dogs, just depends on what you need.

Tcolt,  every breeder of anybreed is gonna have culls.  If they don't, they're most likely just breeding for the cash.

And if they tell you they don't have any culls...run away as fast as you can. Their either liars, or their standards are too low (and that goes for dogs/breeders of any breed).

I really don't understand why always the comparison's to APBTs. But, the fact of the matter is that most don't know what a true (real) APBT is. Always get a good laugh out of those asking about "Blue nose", "gator mouth", etc.

The comparison to pits is because people have seen pits hunt. But they are completely different breeds.

TColt you know Ive given up on Catch Dogs but you also know Soco is welcome in my pack any day.  Dedicated Dogo for sure.  12 years of culling, raising, and hunting dogs and he is the most dedicated CD ive seen.  For breaking hogs, i really don't think you can beat him.  This runt as you call him, will pass up your bay dogs and shut the hog down.  I haven't seen any catchdogs do that.  Keep in mind guys TColt's is a runt and is below average in size.  70pounds of solid muscle and and some good legs to him.  Great dog in my book.     

Were can I order a 70 lbs, red Dogo like Soco? I want one!

I don't care to much for white dogs in general. They always look dirty.  ;D
Dirty!........... I think I just found the name for my next white dog.  ;)

What I meant was few culls, not no culls. Sorry about the confusion. Late night when I wrote that. Majority of breeders, countin non hunting breeders, fOr pits or Dogos breed culls as far as hunting dogs go.

Thanks, but I guess I didn't make it clear...It was a rhetorical question/musing.

Where did you get yours from Tcolt?  He sounds like what I look for.

I'm not sure where you might get one.  I have a pup from him right now and i think he is going to be about the same size.  No skin problems so far and I might just name him dirty!  ;D

LMAO! Nothing manifest rhetoric and muse on this board like a Dogo thread! 

Well thank you for all of the information on dogos.

I hunt with the dog that is allergic to pork. He is defiantly not a cull by any means. He his a hard catching dog. That happens to be allergic to pork. Go figure a hog dog that is allergic to his job. :p

A good breeder has a higher quality of culls...

TColt I know where 2 bulldogs are right now that will do that and have seen quiet a few more..
I was mainly just jokin around with comment about a "reverse dogo" being one that will actually catch.. ;)
I'm sure some of them will catch and hold. All of the ones I've seen ,with the exception of one that kevin owns, would regrip a lot and bite all over a hog.. It's like uglydog said " A dog that will bite a hog is not necessarily a dog that will CATCH a hog". 
I know a lot of times when someone posts a pic of a dogo catching a hog it's not just one dogo, it's 3 or 4. I just don't see the need in carrying around 3 or 4 hundred pounds of dogos, but that's just me.. Shouldn't one hundred pound dogo be plenty enough dog to catch a hog?  Just an observation..

That's so at least one will have a hold of the hog while they're all taking turns chewing on it! :o :o :o

Ha ha... I couldn't let that one slip by. ;D

Another observation.....Tcolt, according to breed standards, due to his size alone, Soco is a cull. Id feed him though. ;)

One thing I have to say about a Dogo, the folks that I know that have a good one are very pleased with them.

LOL. Go for it! I really do like that name for a white dog. Hope he as good as Soco!

The more you guys hate on dogos the more I want one.   ;D

I have hunted with a few recently, all from the same blood line, that were legit catchdogs.  No regrip, no nonsense, just straight catch.  And I can say a straight catch dogo is an impressive beast.  They handled the hogs very well, but I can see where they would be hindered in thick brush.

To each his own.  Seems like we have a post to piss on Dogos once a week. I personally do not own one, but seriously enough is enough.  There are chitty dogs in every breed.

Adam, I don't hate dogos... most of these posts are people having a little fun, based on their experiences with the breed.

I've hunted behind some good ones over the years, but a whole lot more that weren't so good.

Mike that wasn't directed at you.  Sorry if it came across that way. 

The Dogo was bred to hunt in packs. But I would only run two because there are only two ears ;D I personally don't think most real hog hunters have much experience with Dogos. Mostly because of the price. Then when a hunter does get one they don't get it from someone that actually hunts. So the hunter is raising and training a new breed without any real advice. I only have a puppy right now. I am finding it difficult to find real advice from multiple sources. I like the way Dogos catch. They adapt to what the hunter wants. But you have to be smarter than the dog. Dogos are smarter than most hog hunters and that is the problem ;D (That was a joke so don't get your panties in a wad!)

But there are some people that have Dogos and hunt. I have seen some pits, curs, catahoulas and so on that I would never hunt with. I don't judge a whole breed based on a few dogs. How many Dogos have you seen. I would bet you have seen more culls from any breed than the total number of Dogos you have seen. It comes down to be simple. If you don't like Dogos then don't buy a Dogo. But tolerate people that want to hunt them. Then maybe one day you can see a good Dogo at work.

(I used the word "you" but I was not talking to anyone. This was a general statement not meant to offend anyone.)

No offense, dub, but most of the "real hog hunters" I know on this board have hunted with and seen plenty of Dogos. I'd venture to say, a good number of them have owned at least one. My personal opinion is, from the above, you aren't giving those "real hog hunters" much credit. Personally, I've seen a few good Dogos and have absolutely nothing against those who hunt them. Matter of fact, I enjoy hunting with a good one. But, from what I've seen, taking the breed as a whole, they have a higher cull rate than other breeds. For those out there that are putting them in the woods, breeding, sorting, and culling...I applaud their efforts. The problem is, there aint that many of them. In fact, they are the extreme minority here in the States.

It is evident you like the breed and your pup, but your experience with the breed pale's in comparison to many that post on these (dogo) threads. They have formulated their opinion after seeing many, many of them in the woods (and as I said, most have owned, or still own them).

Please don't take my post as confrontational, because it is not intended as such. Good luck with your pup.

The folks who really like the Dogo need to form a club and write a standard, a standard of the highest quality, a standard that does not compromise performance and health for all dogos. A standard that does not allow dogs to be bred if they do not pass the catch dog requirements, if the dog has any type of skin conditions, especially if it has to do with a white coat, this type of dog should never be bred. The dogo must be able to hear and must not have allergies.
These dogs must be very social towards other dogs but especially humans.

Some type of standard needs to be adopted and followed and understood... ??? popo
The cream would rise to the top if this were to be done :)

I was trying to not insult the people that hunt and don't like Dogos. It is Dogo breeders that don't hunt and breed culls that make the breed not as good. I have no problem with hunters. I have a problem with breeders with no integrity just trying to make money. It is crazy to pay Dogo price for a catch dog. Breeders should be trying to get a better nose and then they will be worth more.

I think part of the problem is that dogos sell for a lot of money at the present time and this is one reason why a cull would get bred... People start looking at the dollars signs.

Most breeds go south when there is a strong demand for it.

who would have ever thought a dogo thread would go viral...lmao

Its cause they're the best  ;D ;D ;D

i got both dogo and pits and ill give it to the pit to be a better catchdog lol

My hunting partner had a dogo before the cool kids  :)  A great dog man Ben Hardaway found him one, bought it and then paid to have it shipped to Kyle.  He would absolutely murder anything under 120 lbs and was a hell of a bay dog on big ones  :D

Me too!  If he is a cull for his size I would take him any day.  Next time i hunt with TColt i will post pictures of him and he will be the only CD in there i promise besides my ruff cur dogs! ;)

The reason theses DOGO threads go the way they do is because, People come on here and want to act tlike they have the best damn dog, or have hunted with the best damn dog in the world.
Those are the same people who have usually not seen hundreds of crappy dogs to make a comparison. Then when they boasting, gets slammed, they get all swoll up. If your experiences have only let you see a total of ten dogs and they all caught good then you can speak from experience of only those ten dogs, wow what a good catch dog! and out of those ten dogs you have seen catch maybe a 100 hogs? Wow, thats alot of hogs NOT! but how many of those did you see that DOG CATCH? or most likely it was holding on when you got there,hhhhhmmm. did he catch or Bite? Don't really know the difference?

The people will defend and argue until  you get so caught up in defending the breed, it ridiculous. How about calling it a good dog if its a good dog and QUIT trying to make a blanket statement of the WHOLE BREED, COMPARE THE numbers of crap to the good ones, the crap out weighs the good ones. Thats why people get tired of hearing how great, the GREAT WHITE UNICORN IS, THis breed is NOT NEW TO THE US, I had one ten years ago, and seen many, since and have had communication with alot of those that have real hard experiences with them since. not talking about "Free" or rescues either talking about Big Money dogs from Big Money Breeders.

IF THE DOG HAS ALLERGIES, ITS A HEALTH ISSUE, and not one you want to reproduce. I have dogs that won't please everyobody, I love and hunt them, but I am not on a Message forun trying to defend them as the best hunting dogs ever, sounds like something off a marketing tool.

There are a couple people on this Forum that breed and Raise good dogs, of the breed and I have given references on several, If I was going to buy one I would go here, because they don't trying to blow smoke about the dog as a breed, but have plenty of proof to back up the dogs of certain lineage as being "CATCH" dogs, and not regripping, biters, that can't do it one on one, which thats going to be a big difference when all this arguing takes place.

"REAL HUNTERS" have been getting by for decades with one dog that cost $50-$300 bucks. WHY DOES IT MAKE IT BETTER TO NEED 3 or MORE That cost a $1000.00 or more to get the same job done? ( I say real hunters in reference to these people that "instinct test the dogs a couple times a years, and only compare the dogs ability to other Dogos of the same caliber, not to other dogs that catch for a living, nowhere in the same ballpark)

Because the world we live in, if it costs more than its Better?

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Yes, you are right, and the best part about that is a paid a "cull" price for him. I was in highschool and could not afford the "typical" price of a dogo so after many months of searching I found this fellow, and I have to say I got very lucky.

I got him from a guy in florida and had him shipped to me. Been seachin for the guy online without any luck. After what he has turned into I want to register him and breed him to a larger dogo above breed standard to hopefully meet in the middle or get some pups that throw on the moms side in size. Somethin with alot of hunt and style like Pauls Adora dog.

He is built alot like a large leggy game bred pit. Not a huge wide chest. And is about as conformationally correct as a dog can get.

TColt you say you got your dog from a guy in Fl and had the dog shipped to you and you didn't have to pay much for him. The guy never sent you papers on the dog and now you can't find him.. You also say the dog is smaller than a dogo , is built real well and catches and holds... How sure are you that you own a dogo?

chainrated... there are several reasons I know I have a dogo and not a pit as I would assume you are thinking thats what he is lol. #1 Because he sent me papers, i just never did nothin with them since I didnt see any reason to register a runt and didnt have breeding plans back then. I have moved six times since then and they have been lost. #2 Except for the size, he fits the breed standard of a Dogo to a T. There is alot more to the breed standard than the size. #3 I saw pictures of the parents, both parents were definitely full size dogos. #4 I did have to pay alot for him but not as much as his brothers and sisters cost, I dont think I claimed I didnt have to pay alot for him, just that I paid a cull price for a dogo as far as he would not make the breed standard as far as size. #5 my mom was a vet, so she had several friends that were vets. One of her best friends could not believe that Soco didnt have any pit bull in him when she saw him so she ran a dna swab test, no pit bull dna running through his blood... dogo was not on the list of 100 or so breeds on the test so I would probably have to get a blood test to find out his exact dna, but there is not any pit.

and most importantly... aint no pit that could hang with this dog  ;D

Got another dogo pup on the way, hopefully get him in may depending on how the hearing test goes. Doin it right this time and gettin a dog from a reputable breeder. I have hunted with one dogo that is a cull, and that dog was in a non hunting home for the first year of his life and was beat on for a long time, this dog was culled for human aggression against someone who has little dog experience and probably did something to provoke it, not lack of hunting or catching. I have limited experience with dogos, only haveing hunted behind seven several times each, but I have a feeling that is alot more experience than many of the people who sit on this board and trash dogos. I have hunted behind more pits than I can count and I know of three that I wouldnt cull, one of them was KIA.

Im not sayin I dont like pits, I love pits, but most the free pits at the pound or cheap pits from a back yard breeder are culls and most the time arent even pure bred pit. Even pits registered through ADBA, which is a game dog registry for game bred pits, are not pure bred pits. ABDA has recently started registering pit/mastif crosses as pure pit bulls for people to enter in their sled pull competitions. A true "game bred" pit from someone who has good lines ( breeding champions with ROM) are just as costly as dogos. Not saying that these game bred dogs from sires and dams with ROM are the only good pit bulls, but I here alot of this "game bred" dog talk and pictures of game bred dogs that look nothin like a game bred dog, and a game bred dog does have a "look" if bred properly. The look is not that of a brick $hit house.

Im not really sure why all the hostility between people over breeds of dogs but I dont really care what people use as long as the dogs are workin. I like them both, the dogo just works better for me.

now thats skill right there caught two hog at one time good pic

(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j108/lyndsayrichardson/BricaDeAngelo4.jpg)





now thats skill right there caught two hog at one time good pic

10 breeds went into the make up of the Dogo...there should have been hits on a couple them. Isn't bull terrier one of them?


Then why do you call them or consider them APBTs when obviously they are not?


Please describe this "look"...pictures to illustrate would be appreciated.


I have owned and hunted with multiple Dogos, APBTs (the real ones), and ABs enough to know the strengths and weaknesses of each. The problem is that there are too many folks out there who can't or won't be honest about the dogs.

It's called kennel blindness...We need to take off our rose colored glasses and call it like it really is. If we all did that there wouldn't be so many culls out there...

Right now I have a good looking 2 year old pit that is definitely a cull but since I am not breeding him will work with him a little more. If I were looking to breed pits he would of been culled a long time ago.

Exactly right. So what do they have to do with a real purebred pitbull?




I don't trust ANY registry these days.  You can register a fence post if you know the right tricks.
I disagree about you having to spend 1000 - 1500 bucks on a REAL bulldog bred off a Line of real bulldogs.  You can get one for a lot less than that . I'm lucky enough to know a few guys that have been breeding a line of bulldogs for a long time now and I get them for nothing on a regular basis.
I can't even imagine paying 1000-1500 bucks for a dog that offers no advantage over a bulldog and has a much higher cull percentage. In addition to all the skin problems the dogos have.
But a man has the right to spend his money however he pleases.
I have hunted with about 10 dogos  and out of those I would only feed one. But now if you ask the owners of those other 9 they are AWESOME catchdogs. I guess it just comes down to standards. That and the fact that if you pay that kind of crazy money for a catchdog then you will tend to overlook the negatives and do whatever it takes to find something you like about that dog most of the time.
Now with that being said , There are plenty of bulldog culls also.



I hope you don't think I was at all being "hostile" toward you or your dog, Not at all brother. I have no problem whatsoever with what a man chooses to feed. If it works, it works...
 I was just pointing out a few things about your dog that you yourself said that made me wonder about what he really was.
He's the size of a pitbull. Your vet thought he was a pitbull. He's built like a pitbull. You can't get in touch with the guy you bought him from. You didn't pay a dogo price for him. And the number one thing is you said he catches good and holds.  ;) 


Do you have a pic of soco that you don't mind posting...

Lots of questions so Ill answer first then post a pic lol.

Scott, Im sure some breeds poped up, she just told me that I was right there was no American Pit Bull Terrier in them. I dont consider the dogs a true APBT, but that is what they are sold as and that is what the majority of people use. I know of some people that use some true pits but I have also seen plenty of people who use whatever is at the pound that looks like a pit. I completely agree with you, there are way too many dishonest people out there, especially when it comes to dogs and horses, I have learned this first hand on many occasions and have vowed to myself that I will never get a working animal that is not from a friend, or a friends friend. I honestly got very lucky with the dogo that I have right now going about getting him the way that I did.

chainrated, like I said to scott... its what the majority of the people use. I dont really want to get into the money, if I get a dog that aint worth what I paid he/she will be disregarded and I will move on without looking back. And let me tell you, the dog I have right now has set the standard very high for hunting and as a pet. As for the hostility, I didnt think you were being hostile, only the first paragraph was directed at you to answer your question. The other stuff was just "in general". My moms friend didnt think he was a pit at all, she did however see pit bull characteristics and she had never heard of a dogo, thought it might be some sort of dogo cross.

Dont have any pictures of game bred pits since I dont own one, so here is a link to dogs from the 50's - 70's
http://www.game-dog.com/gallery/browseimages.php?c=8

Here is a link to a pedigree that is not game bred pits... not saying this kind of pit wont work or catch hogs, just addressing the differences in game bred vs non game bred when it comes to look.
http://southernsmokebullies.com/pedigrees/jaega.html


This is soco at chain weight, Ill try and get some pictures of him in shape when I get back home
(http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab156/TColt/d9c01af3.jpg)

(http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab156/TColt/77a8d6f3.jpg)

Dand tcolt. I see why your vet thought he was a pit. I sure like the way Soco is put together! He may be a cull in the Dogo world but he is perfect in the BoarNinja world. ;)

I will never own another dogo again  >:(

i can see why there would be a thought of a cross but a fine looken dog none the less

Looks like pitbull behind the wood pile... ??? Nice looking Dogo. ;)

Hmmmmm...   A picture is worth a thousand words... I can see now why he's a good catchdog.  ;)
He's a good lookin dog TColt....

That is a good looking dog and I bet he is good at his job I would be proud to own him too.

But DOES anybody else see a trend of Dogo folks still defending the whole entire breed based off a few good dogs, and not willing to admit that the breed has many flaws and faults as a breed in general?

"Except that by saying people bashing the breed must not have much experience with them?" Thats the remarks that get under my skin and many others that have been around many/multiples of sorry dogs for 10+ years, the Haters get accused of "NOt being Experienced"

How ABOUT If I was to say all you Dogo Lovers must not have very much experience?" that would sure get yall stirred wouldn't it? OPEN YOUR MINDS-Thats the deal I am not a Hater either I like the Dogo as a breed but I am realistic and they too are not the "Perfect" dog, although I too have used them for some of the qualities they in cross breeding, because as "WHOLE" the majority do not fit the "perfect" status in my experiences (cause thats soo limited and all ;) )

 QUIT expecting others to accept DOGO as "the Best", then nobody would have to read 6,7, or 25 page threads, but hey I am just wasteing my time cause this will never end, Only have these arguements that drag out for a week on a few subjects
1. Dogos (heres last years discussion http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=17619.0 )
2. Open vs.Silent
3. Hogz Gone Wild

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Dogo

And if you want a colored Dogo.Find one of the dogs that where breed to make a Dogo what it is today with the color you want....The worst thats gonna happen is you can't take it to a SHOW....or you can call it a day and just get a pitbull from the pound.... LOL

big chris, she thought he was a cross then he was ten weeks old, he didnt look anything like that, just a soft little ball with legs, he looked like your typical dogo pup. full grown he is 23 inches at the withers.

chainrated, thank you, I think he is quite good looking myself! Bein an athlete myself, Im actually a little jealous of how easily he gets so shredded haha! I got to get some pictures of him in shape! Maybe you get yourself a little dogo runt and you fall in love haha! But I can 100% grantee he aint got any pit in him. I think he would be a damn good cross over an athletic cur or game bred pit though!

ugly dog, I think there is many faults in the breed. When I was lookin for a pup I decided to talk to other people to see what they had, just being curious. I had one breeder try to sell me an 8 mo old pup that was unilaterally deaf the had great "hunting drive" for $1500!!!!! Are you fing kiding me!?!?!? This is the exact reason the dogo is the way it is. I have hunted behind seven dogos, mine which I got lucky on, to of cwhite which are unregistered but 100% dogo, three pups out of cwhites breeding which were all good except for the one that was abused and he was a good as far as the hunt went, and pauls addi dog. The pup i am going to get is out of the same stock as pauls addi dog. I will be the first to admit that I dont have alot of experience with dogos, but I do have experience with some good dogos. So most of the dogs I have hunted behind are the same blood, cwhites blood (5 out of the 7). Which is the way it should be, when you breed proven lines, you end up with hog dogs.

My point is, the problem with dogos is it is a "popular" breed due to its looks. I have a feeling the dogo may be the next pit when it comes to "tough gangster dogs" unfortunately. There are too many people out there breeding the dogo for looks and not working ability.

Another point I would like to make, is that when you do get a good dogo, they are hard to beat. I have seen too many "back yard" pits culled. I would love to own a pit, I think a GOOD pit could find its place in a pack of mine any day. But for the places I hunt (hogs always running except when I head east to txhogsanddogs land) MY dogo and the dogos I have hunted with work best for me.

I do not think that dogos are the end all be all hog dogs. With my dog soco, he has great speed for your typical cd, damn good nose, good conformation, and too much drive to hunt him on his own in most places I hunt. So I plan on crossing him with a stag hound, then I will have the end all be all hog dog haha, just kidding. But those are my plans for him. Probably crossin on stag him then crossing him back to a daughter to get 3/4 soco 1/4 stag. Hopefully ending up with some 80 lbs dogs with alot of speed. I think two of these dogs running with one or two good cur dogs would be jam up!

Pit bulls, like I said before I love pits, but I have seen soooo many pits be culled (backyard pits) No one I know buys a pit except for the $35 charge at the pound. More pits than I could shake a stick at, I have seen culled. So my point in bringing that up is that the pits that everyone talks about that are a dime a dosen, the majority of them are a cull. Now, there are some good ones that come from the animal shelter. But If you breed good working pits, you should sell them to good working homes. Not your first time dog owner, or someone who wants to look tough walking a pit bull down the street.

The best thing anyone can do for a breed is sell them to working homes only and cull hard, weather it be pit, ab, dogo, This would cut down on culls from all the breeds and we would see more of what they would really do. Giving a working bred dog to a non working home only does the breed injustice and is asking for trouble. In my opinion not enough breeders of any breed do this...

before the laws got tough onpit bull fighting there were good pits everywhere. This was about 20 to 30 years ago. I do see more culls today.

T-Colt i know you have some better pictures than that.  I'll find some more also.  Is that recent?   

TColt, take a good look at some of them dogs in that gamedog gallery and then take a good look at that pic of soco standing on the tailgate, then look again...   :)

What I was trying to say came out all wrong. I put my foot in my mouth and don't want to chew on it. But I am very sorry for offending someone I have so much respect for. I have a lot going on personally and just want to say sorry to Uglydog and anybody else I offended. I was trying to be respectful and really missed the mark.

Brian, only pictures I have of him not geared up where you can see him on my computer right now. That picture is not quite a year old. There are several pictures from hunting and stuff if you go back and look at my old posts.

Here is a picture that Paul took of Addi and Soco she is 27in at the withers and he is 23.
(http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab156/TColt/10.jpg)

Chainrated, if believing he is a pit bull makes you feel better then you can believe that... it aint gonna change his breed  ;D . If he was a pit I would say he is a pit.

Anyone who thinks the dog is a pit by looking at him definetily does not have experience with dogos, or at least doesnt know much about them. He is what a dogo SHOULD look like, just smaller version lol.

Great pic TColt, Dogos are not for everybody but a quality Dogo can be a very effective and very versitle dog.

I own Dogos and have been around the breed and it's bloodlines. One of the post
speaks of c whites blood ? Is this a breeder or a good hunting dogo? IMO the dogo has just as many faults as any other breed. When buying a dogo one sbould consider what the founder of the breed wrote (Father x Mother = enviroment) Meaning you have a better chance of a good hunting dogo if the parents hunt and the breeder hunts. Just my 2 cent

So you are saying dogos should look like a pitbull?  :)

Dogojones- C White is a breeder i believe out of N.Texas.

lol chain!

i wanna get my hands on a good dogo/pit cross or get me a good dogo gyp and make the cross myself!

Cwhite is Chad white, he is a hunting buddy of mine. He is not a breeder, he just used to have a pair and bred them to get some pups. It's not a bloodline.

Chainrated, no, a Dogo shouldn't look like a pit, at least the majority of pits (a little ball of muscle with legs) But a true game bred pit should look like a "toy" Dogo, conformationally.

... Pun intended  >:D


Just kidding, but who can argue the similar characteristics of the two breeds, after all, they both originated from the same breed, a fighting/baiting dog that is now extinct. When I say the look alike I'm not saying that the breed standards are the exact same with different heights and weights, I'm saying they generally resemble eachother. Just wanted to clear that up to avoid any confusion.

 ;D See everybody can get along and have a happy ending on a DOGO thread after all,  ;D

So maybe we had better lock it down, so that don't change! popo

Seriously though, Thanks to all of you for staying civil! and respecting its just the internet and everyone is intitled to their opinions!