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I thought that the hawaii team was the team with the most sense. Swinehunter was at the house today and asked me if i saw the rope on the hog on the golf course? We looked at the footage and sure enough the hog had a rope tied to his back leg who does that? The hog was tied to a tree and you can see it clear as daywhen the catch dog grabs him then this other yahoo was cutting the rope and handing it to the guys like he was handing it to them to tie it with.

I havent watched it yet, but my buddy said that one of the hogs the Florida guys was rigged....
Said there was 3 guys on the hunt, and once they showed the dogs go after the hog you could see a light up there
where it was at... then once the camera guy gets there, theres 4 guys and different guy is holding the hogs legs...  ???

Like i said, i havent seen it, but i know what im gonna be looking for when i do!!!  rolleyes

I knew the show was crappy, but to pull some stunts like that is just pathetic...  >:(

looks like they need some lessons in hunting and some new dogs i would not let the wear my collars or even feed them mutts and what about the hog that was to big to hobble humm need some rope i guess

One thing i've noticed  is that the big black hog that the florida guys catch, and walked right up to it and it didnt run, is the same hog in about 3 different shows from what i can tell. Someones pet that they borrow to make them look good.  And last night.....the great dane was having problems with the one big boar by himself, but they had another cd there on a leash. Why wouldnt they let him go to help out?? GOOD WAY TO GET A YOUNG DOG HURT.........

http://blogs.discovery.com/discovery-insider/2011/01/hogs-gone-wild.html#comment-6a00d8341bf67c53ef01543254c00d970c

A post that stood out to me on the Discovery blog.

@SouthTX Killbot
They eat hippies? Send more to California. I would rather live with the hogs than the hippies.
Posted by: Lance Heckerman | 05/15/2011 at 06:27 PM

Sorry. I gotta keep finding the humor with this show and this blog. The rest of it troubles be deeply!

Last night was my first time to watch it and it was a joke. They all acted like it was their first time to hog hunt. I don't even know what to say about the guys from Florida. I seen the Dane having trouble and wondered the same thing why not turn the other dog loose. But that wouldn't be one out style would it!

I took UglyDogs advice and stopped recording the show altogether.  Don't watch it live or recorded anymore.  But there's hardly a day go by someone, knowing that I have hog dogs, asks me if I've seen the show.  I tell 'em I don't wanna talk about it so don't get me started.  Then they usually start laughing and making fun of the L3 team. 
Folks, these aren't hog hunters, these are regular working men and women that know nothing about the sport except what they read and see in the media.  It's embarassing to me for people to think that this is what real hog hunting is like and how it's done.  And they pick out the same silly crap that every hog hunter on this board picks at, so they notice it too and know it's goofy stuff.   :-\  I'll continue to boycott the show and when the topic arises, I will continue to defend the real hog doggers out there.  I know we all hunt a little different, in different types of terrain, with different breeds of dogs, and that's okay.  People have to hunt the way that suits their needs, period. 
Just think how many people across America now believe that that show is a true repensentation of our sport?   rolleyes

After reading here about last weeks episode, I took a differnt tact. Its recorded and I fast forward thru most of it, but slow down when they are ( all three groups ) standing around looking at a hog, to see if I can spot any more leg ropes.

The one thing that stood out to me was the hunt in what appeared to be the Hill Country and the catch with chingos of what seems to be red yaupon berries up and down that little road.

I watched the whole episode in about 10 minutes. They way they all talk and the things they are saying has gotten sillier if that is possible.

But did anyone see the episode of Swamp Brothers where they were catching those shoats in the dark by hand and with ropes because they didnt want to hurt them? That is in Florida too.

I didnt see that one yet..... Or how many times do L3 turn them dogs loose when they see the hogs and come up empty handed? Thats the reason i run bay dogs to find the hogs for me, im not gonna go and spotlight till i see them and then cut loose, and maybe catch one. I wanna catch n dogs to roll out n stick with em for more catchin.

i honestly think l3 had that hog tied out last week cuz i mean that dog did not have teeth on them the whole time and that hog never ran what is that i kno we caught a hog yesterday went about 350 that hardly ran but he was in a briar thicket worse than i kno wut we bayed him for a bout 2 hours i wanted to send the video to the show but it was just toooo long for a hour episode lol and o ya we didnt even have danes or bulldogs it was just our rough curs and plotts needless to say he cut us down pretty good cut the nuts com-pletely off of my walker dog

i just watched another show.... anyone see the hog proof fence and how it was bent over towards the inside  where the L3 team was "hunting" at night... that fence and pond look familiar... i wonder if they came across my break stick i lost when i was training some pups in that pen lol. you could even hear the yard dogs in the background

Do yall think dicovery channel would film canned and staged hunts and then let everybody say its dangerous and stressful? is that like fraud or fiction? or is it okay when its called entertainment? 

all i know is i replay the part where L3 tries to grab that hog and gets their butts handed to em

If you look real close on those florida pigs, their top tusks are missing. The episode where that big black boar stayed in the same spot while they took lunch and got more dogs.... the guy who's property that was is a coon hunter. He prolly was feeding that pig off of his coon feeders and gave them an easy kill. 99.9% of America who watches that show prolly thinks those on there are the cream of the crop. I like the hawiian guys a little. But what do I know.
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when are yall gonna quit watchin that junk.......well nevermind i need a lugh ever now and again too.

I don't know why that is. the top ones don't cut but only sharpen the bootm ones

Man I need to find me some pig poop and rub it all over me and the dogs... I have been doing it all wrong ;D
The Flor-iduhh guys must have bought some dogs ;D ;)

Not sure if they would or wouldn't but they need to get some footage of the Texas Team catching some hogs some way. They get outran or get into too much hog scent and can't seem to line one out. So it would make me believe that for entertainment purposes they might run in a small training pen to get some much needed footage.

I can't understand how they are looking at hogs, but can't get their dogs on em. I'm not one to judge another mans dogs, but I got some pups that can do better than that. Not to mention that these people are getting paid to do what cost me tons of money. I think I'm going about this in the wrong direction. Lol

Their tusks are missing because a human pulled them so the dogs wouldnt get cut.

Oh well i was gonna get everyone together for a hog drive but it down sound like yall would be interested.    ;D

Not sure if they would or wouldn't but they need to get some footage of the Texas Team catching some hogs some way. They get outran or get into too much hog scent and can't seem to line one out.

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Sometimes I see where someone writes about too much hog scent so the dogs couldn't find the hog/hogs.

Well a good cur dog circles out and finds the exit tracks or usually will wind the hog if he is laying up somewhere...

I havent watched much of this show until today at work while i was board.....yea government jobs are hard ik.....lol these guys are making a joke of them selves and in a way making hog hunters world wide look bad......if you live in florda PLEASE for the love of every other hog hunter in this unraptured world lol PLEEEEZE GO HELP THEM..............

them guys from hawaii had like 20 dogs on the ground !

I missed it! I wanted to see the hog drive was it any good?

There's hunters here in Florida that could flat wipe out the entire population if given proper motivation... obviously, the Discovery Channel doesn't want that though or they wouldn't be dealing with the people they are...

I can't watch it anymore but I was channel surfing last night. Happened to catch the part of the Florida guys about to rub hog crap on them and their dogs. It looked to me like they were considering it. How stupid can you get.

Yeah, I watchEd the show to find the small stuff that shows it's been staged. Saw the one last week where they r in the mule and the guy shooting the video was filming towards the mule and that one catchdog run right by him and catches that sow under the tree. It's like watching another fake reality show( staged for entertainment).

well i finaly figuered it out we have to wipe fresh hog s##t on us and the dogs to cover our scent, thats why i am in a dry spell.
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Im not a fan of the show.

Well don't no what to say about the show other that it sucks   :P . Least the other guys are catching hogs thay seem to be smart enough to tie some hogs up to catch makes them look better anyway
As for the texas guys thay are special  ;) I am fortunate to have alot of friends in texas and I do no there is some grate dogs there, that said can you boys do a little culling and send them guys some dogs im talking pups or atleast something that will not go off of sight running this is killing me to watch  ;D

well i dont like how the hawaii team tries to take em live, only good hog is a dead one. But i do like that mercedes truck they drive, anyone know what model it is. id love to tell my buddies i drive a mercedes

Sometimes I see where someone writes about too much hog scent so the dogs couldn't find the hog/hogs.

Well a good cur dog circles out and finds the exit tracks or usually will wind the hog if he is laying up somewhere...
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We keep saying it in reference to the excuses the Texas Team makes for not being able to find a hog.

Come on dude you gotta watch the series. LOL You are messin up the thread. ;)JK

Its a unimog, I would love one hahaha!

You could go to the pound and get better dogs than the Texas guys have.

I. Like the Hawaii team, that biologist is smart and tries knew things but rene is old schooland know-how to get it done it's a good balance it's fun to watch, but Florida the darke haired guy they let do all the talking gets on my nerves, the red headed fella is suppose to know his stuff but hebnever talks or comments, and u can see him get so mad at that other guy i get a good laugh out of it.

Ok, so I went to L3's website and decided to send them an e-mail and tell them what I thought about the show and this is the reply I received from them:   Think outside of your box please. If we sucked so bad and everone else was so much better then why have I been able to stay in business for over 15 years without being able to produce. When you sign with a film company they tell you what to say on the show and you don't always get to choose what you say. It's bloody TV dude you know they are going to put drama BS in it. There's alot more to life than BMC's and Cat's. Take a look at the link I included this is the guy that taught me how to hunt and until I see a US pig hunter kill 115 in 15 hours with two dogs I will keep listening to the Australian pro's they havent steered me wrong in 19 years. http://www.boardogs.com/ Huntingphotos12.htm

Looks to me like L3 are at the right website for tutoring... They must be very good actors cause they had me fooled :D

Let me get this straight on L3. They learned from some Aussie that caught 115 hogs in 15 hours. That is a hog every 7.83 minutes for 15 hours. I am going to have to put an eyeball on that before I believe it. He did not do it with a Great Dane either.

The only way they could possibly do it was to be in a pen or enclosure.

I beg to differ. I know a few hog hunters/ranchers in Hempstead Texas that had numbers like that this past Spring. No pen or enclosures. They bay and shoot over a few curs and Plott hounds though. Ive hunted with them and they are probably the most productive and hard working hog hunters I have ever hunted with. If you are lucky, they might even break for lunch if you have food in the woods with you.

Only time I killed that many hogs in that short of time was with a 12 gauge and plenty of buckshot shooting out of a helicopter.

Well to me it don't matter how many hogs a guy caught in one day cause I know a place that can make a number 2ty hog dog good. BUT the real point is how the in hell has L3 stayed in business for 15 years!!!!??? I mean how can you charge some for hog removal with the way they remove? We all know TV show can be BS and blah blah but there is truth in the show and show how you do your job or whatever it may be. They spot light for the dogs and etc. I mean to me if I was paying this guy to get hogs off my property he would be fired real quick!!!

This is awesome  ;D

5 or 6 years ago L3 was on here with cur dogs. He now has been professional 15 years and hunting for 19 the  bloody "Aussie" style....so much he speaks the language.

I wish you Aussies would keep your natives like L3 down under and quit allowing them to claim Texas  ;D

Take the 15 years claim with a grain of salt... 

In 2006 he was a professional spear fisher, using the name L3outdoors/ Whitecustomguns.  Then he put out some bow hunting videos, and finally settled on hog dogging.   He's good at marketing, kind of like the rest of the crap labelled "As Seen on TV" rolleyes

That's what I was about to ask. I remember L3 outdoors being a spear fisherman.

Didn't he learn spearfishing fromthe Aussie riend too? so maybe thy hog hunted by night and spearfished by day until hewas aproffesional and hen came back to TX, Golly Gee Wizzz give that guy a break, I mean if you read the blog on discovery channell its all about How his Wife is the hog hunter!

I think due to the hog population epidemic Discovery Channel tried to show hog hunting with dogs in the most peta friendly manner they could because when you have a show like this you can't deny the effectiveness of dogs.  The few hog hunts I have seen on Outdoor Channel they skipped the catch completely.  They went straight from bayed up hog to dead hog in the back of the truck.  I have watched 3 episodes and I cant watch anymore because the commentator repeates himself 20 times a show and the commentary is the exact same every show.  I believe Discovery set out to help the dog hunter but the show comes off goofy and to rehearsed and I personally don't find it the least bit entertaining. 

That is probably correct W.E. .....They probably trying to show the problem of hogs and the removal in a good manner. Its the bs from the groups, staged catches, tied/pen caught hogs and lack of drive in the dogs....not to mention the crazy comments.

The reason the outdoor channel doesnt show the catch is because the are gutless. The outdoor channel is worried about anti hunting groups hate mail and bs. They do not show impact to any exent. No arrow or gun shot impacts and that includes the dogs and stick. Every show has the kill edited out. The pursuit channel will have lots of good shows coming up this next season. They show all impact shots and pretty certain you will see some good hog hunts with catch dogs coming it for the catch....not to mention the stick.  ;D

 I personally don't believe that any cable network is out to show hog hunting in a good light. I believe that they are looking to get good ratings and make a profit. Its all about making money. The people who run those networks could care less about hunting of any type.

 Being controvertial ups ratings and paychecks and then we have to deal with the aftermath of PETA trying to get new laws passed against what we love to do.  :(......


 I don't hold that against anyone who is on the show because times are tough right now and fame and forture would be hard for anyone to pass upl

Bump thats exaclty the point i was trying to make.  I will never completely understand what goes on in tv land.  On Deadliest Catch you can watch Phil on his death bed dying and thats good tv supposedly.  But on the other hand you can't portray hog hunting with any type of integrity because that bothers people.  I would rather watch a well trained pack of dogs doing what they have been bred to do for 100s of years than watch a man die but thats just me. 

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I know at least a dozen individuals that passed up the opportunity to be on the Hogs Gone Wild series...many of them are members of this site....    I don't care how much money is offered, my morals and ethics have no price ;)

I agree Chris.

It was bound to happen though. Do you think there will be other shows?

If so please.............please!!!!!! If it happens to be someone on this board. Do not sign your rights away in the contract like these others have!!!

Hire an experienced lawyer and read the fine print!!! Ofcourse, if you don't care about nothing but the money then I guess the fine print and the rights of other dog hunters won't matter!!!

The fools that signed up for this show have already been around this block before... and saw the backlash from the hog dogging community when they were interviewed by a reporter in south Texas. They, L3 , did what they could to make pack hunters look bad... Then a couple years later they signed up for this show...

You only get to cry foul once. The second time it's your own damn fault. They can say all they want about being misinterpreted, when in reality, they knew full well what they were signing up for. >:D

 Agreed. I personally wouldn't be on one of those shows doing any hog hunting either because of the backlash.

 Speaking of that.....on the last episode, I thought that I was going to have a heartattack when one of the men from Hawii was trying to get the catch dog off of the hog and first he was karate chopping at its nose and then he grabbed the dog by its ears and was trying to pull it off...... I was thinking, great, this is a big help to us all.  :'(

Alan... there's gonna be more shows. I get 1 or 2 calls a month from production companies wanting their piece if the wild boar pie. ;D

As usual I had it recorded to watch it when I wanted and fast forward thru the BS. This episode I think I watch maybe 3-4 minutes tops. Just cant watch it any more. I

I dont imagine my opinion carries much weight any where, but I think back on kind of being chastised a while back because I have only been running my own dogs for about a year. ( never mind I have been hunting for about 45 ), but I watch what is being shown on TV, listen to the " professional commentary " and I know that even if I am the rankest of beginners, there is no way I would do the things I have seen done. I hunted with buddybegone and some friends back in the 80's and I hunt with txmaverick now. We did it the same then as we do now. The dogs do the hunting and we are there to help seal the deal. And I know that is pretty much what everyone else here does as well.

I just dont understand even if Discovery is writing the script , what are they doing?

Let me say this. They can go get the baddest hog hunter on the continentant of Australia and he is not going to catch that many hogs in Franklin, Tx.. Those hogs run and keep on running. Last one we were on ran almost 8 miles.

What about property lines? If you are going to catch that many hogs you are going to get someplace you are not supposed to be.

I know at least a dozen individuals that passed up the opportunity to be on the Hogs Gone Wild series...many of them are members of this site....    I don't care how much money is offered, my morals and ethics have no price ;)
[/quote] Make that 13 circle c people thay ask us to be the oklahoma team thay had a confrence with my hunting buddy when thay said reality show and told us what thay wanted us to do we kindly said no. ;)

Hog hunter she ain't. Heck she should stick to working at the visitors bureau in Rockport. Too much bling to be a hog hunter.

EVER CAUGHT A CLOSE UP OF THE COLOR OF L3 OUTDOORS EYE COLOR.../THERE SO FULL OF CHIT THER EYES R BROWN

So what happens the next episode, i refuse to watch it unless i hear a dog gets a scratch

Lipstick and his new sidekick carmex couldn't find a the hog in the baypen. Too much hog scent through them off.

were they blindfolded?

No just got some sheet in their eyes.

or riddick genes

did anyone watch it last night the hawaii guys were in oklahoma . it was a very familiar place. sure looked a lot like bow safari's high fenced ranch

Didn't watch it but I think that bowsafari said it was already.

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