EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Hey, I have a year old baydog that will catch after he gets familiar with a hog.  I have gotten fresh hogs and he will bay the first day and then usually catch the second or third time that he bays that hog.  These are 115-125 lb hogs fresh out of traps.  At the baypen competition he wouldn't even get withing 8-10 feet of a big or strange hog.  Any thoughts other than getting a new pig everytime we bay or having a really big pig to deal with at home?

Are you training a competitive pen dog? If so, get him to his breaking point and keep at it .

if i get a dog that i dont want to be catchy i just cut their k9 teeth out, and they will slide off when they catch, or you can let them meet their match in a small pen

WTF? I understand not wanting a dog to catch or be catchy but cutting their canines off is a little much. If you aren't smart enough to train the dog not too catch then get rid of it. If you do do that, don't post it on any boards. That just gives the ARA more ammo to use against us. JMHO!

lol a dog can catch just fine with out canines and if you dont want a catchy dog sale it dont cause it pain to try and get what you want

Had a dog just like that he would bay fresh pigs then hed catch em i figured he just knew he could whoop em after the first day so hed cut to the chase and catch he became my best strike dog hed bay in the woods until another dog got  there and tried it if it were in the range you mentioned. I think youll be happy with him unless your lookin for a catchy dog. And for god sakes leave his canines in they are there for a reason

Slim, I have been working to make a dog of mine less gritty in the pen and what I've done is tie the hog by the hind leg on one side of the pen (short rope) or on a stake if out side the pen, then i use a 10 ft long lead on my dog hooked on the back of the neck and down the back to his mid section loop under him and back though so when he pulls to hard or i pull on the lead it tightens up on his genitals, when he goes to catch just give a little tug and he'll back up I also use a voice command just before i tug and when i tug on the lead,( works like a shock collar with a warning beep). my male has picked up on it real quick, i almost got him where i can voice command him loose or tight in the pen. this may not work for you but it has for me so far.. Good luck,  this technic is very slimmilar to force breaking a bird dog to retreive when commanded to flush.

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You don't see it a lot any more because most folks kill the hogs. People that used to work hogs would clip the canines flush with the other teeth so the dog wouldn't tear the hogs up.

right and if they have no k9 teeth they cant hold a big hog they have to bay him, you see alot of older people doing it, and tmatt a catchy dog is gonna get alot more pain from being catchy than getting a few teeth clipped out think about it, and your right im probably not smart enough to train a dog i mean i just started hunting yesterday

:D i think that some body needs to put a rope around your genitals in the same contraption and send you to work and when you dont do it like they want say something and then pull  >:D like hell then you could see how it feels and you might do what they say but you wont like it very much I think you need another method of training

sounds to me your trying to turn a good dog in to a potlicker to me. and putting a rope around the dogs jewels is just wrong  let your wife put a rope on you and pull it tight every time you dont do what she wants and see if you like that method

I use this method all the time to walk a pulling bulldog thru the woods! It doesnt hurt them at all just keeps them from pulling and gives you a little control!

I use this method all the time to walk a pulling bulldog thru the woods! It doesnt hurt them at all just keeps them from pulling and gives you a little control!


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he isnt talkin about putting a rope around the dogs nuts... its his belly, right before the hind legs. so some of yall need to read a lil better before bashing on this guy. this method works great. i can make a cd lead to a bay like a pro in a couple hunts using this method..... nothing wrong with it. also works on females

OOOOOOOPS. I must have misread all of these posts. I have been sharpening all my dogs teeth with a chainsaw sharpner and had barbed wire wrapped around all their nu#s along with nipple rings tied together with rubber bands. Was wondering why me neighbors thought my dogs were into S&M.   :D

But they been hunting better. Just hard to find cut gear made out of shiny black leather with matching assless chaps.   

lmao now that is some kinky chit there!!!

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this works great!!! if u got alotta bay pen comps u see lots of handlers doen the same thing!!!! i would`nt change a thing dangerzone!!!

Wow clipping the canines.....Thats seems like some backwoods number 2 to me. Its not like clipping tusk off a hog..

bo pugh not knocking ur methods, but with out those fangs how does that rough dog pull some nutts and rip some ham strings, i like a nutt ripper and a hair puller though!!! or does the rest of there teeth do just fine?

Thats the stupidest thing i ever heard of , we should hunt hogs with sheep than .... If a dog has it in him to catch its in him. dont break him for sell him, trade, or keep him and catch hogs..... Dont cut canines off jus my .02 cents .. sounds like he might bay and catch when U get there aka one dog wonder..

Ok Bo, are you saying you clip their teeth or cut them out? In your first post you said cut them out and that is the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard of. Clipping their teeth is a completely different story. Some police dogs have the tips of their k9 teeth clipped off. It is supposed to.help.with their bite. Mike, it was not a shot at you on being able to train a dog but if someone is really CUTTING a dog's teeth out because they can't get it to stop catching that is pretty dumb.

He is talking about clipping the teeth, whether it be flush with the other teeth or clipping a small bit off.  This prevents the dog from running in there catching and holding, but it really prevents dogs from ripping out front shoulders and tearing hogs up.  For people to get on here and call someone ignorant without knowing what they are talking about is really IGNORANT.  I bet y'all don't fuss when a catchdog goes in there and pulls a canine out, y'all let them heal up and use em when you need him again.  The method has been around a long time and if anything it's more humane fir the dogs and hogs. One, the dog is gonna learn he can't catch and hold, so he'll eventually stop, and second when you get to the bay, the hog won't have a front shoulder laying ten feet away.  Lots of DOG MEN not hog hunters, but DOG MEN use this method. ;)

 ???   So your saying that clipping the teeth causes them to not be able to catch and hold, but without canines they can hold just fine?

Yep, I know that sounds weird but if you clip a young dogs canines before they're set in their ways it will discourage them from catching. And yes I'm sure plenty of DOG MEN do it, but if your an honest dog man, you'd recognize what you've created and breed away from it. Just like people who don't pay any attention to hooves before breeding horses. JMHO.

A dog doesn't need his canines to hold. With that said, a cur dog and a bulldog have two different drives for the most part.  A cur wants to be rough where a bulldog wants to catch, so clipping a curs canines discourages them and for the most part breaks them from being catchy.  They'll pull hair but can't really get a good enough grip to rip a front shoulder out.  Look at this way, you can take a raw steak and bite into with your teeth and you still got a good grip, but if you has long canines you could do the same thing and your cutting the meat with your teeth now making it easier to rip away.  May not be the best example but I been up awhile.

I guess thats true in general between those 2 type of dogs, but in many cases it depends on the dog itself....
Ive had/seen cur dogs that would catch and hold, and have to be broke off a hog, and ive seen pits/bulldogs that just want to bite or get rough with a hog..... oh wait, those were DOGOS!!!!  >:D  J/K

To each his own, but IMO, i would rather leave the canines alone... that technique may work to make some dogs stop trying to catch, but for the ones that are gonna be rough no matter what i think its making it harder and more dangerous for them...Because when they do try to catch and cant get a good hold, the hog can just knowck em off and possibly wreck the dog(s)....  ;)

I understand what your saying, I do it not to stop them from catching, but to prevent them from tearing hogs up.  I don't need a tore up boar hog that might not live cuz he is all chewed up.  I wish I could find a cur dog that was straight catch, i have had bad luck with bulldogs.

Cruel as you think it may be,, It's a training method that been around longer than any of us have been,.. I've seen my grandad use it countless times to train a retreiver or bird dog pup to retreive,,  I've never seen or heard of a dog ruined by this BUT I have seen good dogs turned in to culls with shock collar miss use.  (strap a Tri sonic collar on your neck and turn it all the way up),,,  A shock collar or a cinch strap used correctly is FAR less cruel than sending a young untrained dog that has no buisness putting teeth on a big boar off into the wood to see if he can figure it out by trial and error,,  Because error usually ends in injury or death!!!!

I have seen livestock,bird dogs and retreivers that had their K9's bobbed so not to damage livestock or game, A dog that has several 100 psi of bitting force doesn't need k9's to get a steer or hogs attention.

and some off you guys wonder why your dogs dont work for ya  as for a catch dog you shouldnt have to lead them any way train them to listen  and not trash let them run  they might find you a pig even

This is very true, my buddy had a dang good male cat that was about 90lbs and afraid of no hog. Would try every single hog put in front of him. The only problem is the previous owners dubbed his canines and he couldnt hold them. Didnt stop him from trying though. We almost lost him b/c of this one day, if he would have had the teeth he would have been able to stay hooked on instead he got slung off and wrecked pretty good.

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I have seen a few dogs that way but I wouldn't do it or own one like it. I just don't think it is right and I would get a loose baying dog before I would try that.

JMO, But the dog will learn when he can get rough and when he can't so it would be better to get a different dog if you don't like his style. It is kind of like dogs that have bayed in a pen and won't bay in it after a while but will find and bay hogs in the woods.

 
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Cruel as you think it may be,, It's a training method that been around longer than any of us have been,.. I've seen my grandad use it countless times to train a retreiver or bird dog pup to retreive,,  I've never seen or heard of a dog ruined by this BUT I have seen good dogs turned in to culls with shock collar miss use.  (strap a Tri sonic collar on your neck and turn it all the way up),,,  A shock collar or a cinch strap used correctly is FAR less cruel than sending a young untrained dog that has no buisness putting teeth on a big boar off into the wood to see if he can figure it out by trial and error,,  Because error usually ends in injury or death!!!!


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This method is not cruel and it works, I believe that you are saying that the leash is on the dogs collar and you run the lease along the dogs side and then loop it around the dogs waist and then back thru the leash and it tightens when the dog pulls because it is looped around the dogs waist. I have used this before and it works but there are other methods that I use for training and that is to make the dog obey from a young age...

Example: I used this looping method to train a dog to lead. I switched the dog to a staked out chain for a week and that worked but since have switched again to a leash made of chain (the dog can't chew it up) that I let the dog pull around for several days about an hour a day when I let him out. Once the pup isn't paying it any mind I will play with the pup and then I will pick up the lease and try to let him follow me. If he gets scared and pulls away I will pet it and drop the lead and get the pup to follow me. I will use small treats and he will usually follow right away. We just have to be smarter than the dog.

Having said that there are times when it is better to get a different dog than to try and train what is totally againsts the dogs nature... Like the old saying... You can paint the spots on a leopard but it is still a leopard.

You must be using a Dogo!!LOL JK

i usually keep my mouth shut on these deals , but .... i grew up hunting with and using dogs .

now i use dogs catching , gathering cattle and hunting hogs as part of my living . 

 when i first got on this site i thought the rest of ya  grew up somewhat like me .

 i would have never guessed a big part of ya'll would have growed up in town , and got into hog hunting because ...it's the new fad , but  i'll give  you kids some advice ,   just because something don't seem right to  YOUR WAY OF THINKING  .... DONT MEAN CRAP !


APPARENTLY PETA HAS COME UP WITH SOME WILD IDEAS ... WHERE DID THEY COME UP WITH THEM  ? ... FROM A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE AND COMMON SENSE !!!!!!!!

   there are still people that live and work in the real world , and them fellers have forgot more than most will ever know

 if you are lucky enough to know an old time dog man , it'd be a good idea to sit still ,shut up  ....and LEARN . PERIOD

no dogo here all bmc pack rough as they get

the guy just asked for some opinions, he did not say anything about getting another dog or breeding it out of that dog he asked about the one dog and i gave him my opinion ,which he asked for different ones, i like to hear the dogs bay and when i catch a hog i dont want him to look like he got mauled by a pack of lions, if he wants the dog to back up put him in the pen with one about 240lbs 3in teeth coming straight out i bet he will back up and bay :laugh:

amen sounds perfect

Got a new fresh boar 180-200lbs. little cutters and after a couple of attempts this young baydog caught hard. 
(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc457/bigboar375/catchyinword.jpg)

I'll post a short video later today.  This young dog is super intense.   The hog fought him off about 4 or 5 times and as long as the hog faced him he would bay, but when that hog slowed down or started looking for a way out he was caught.

that's a rough pup right there. You might have to hunt him in a running vest.

thats the type of dogs I like.

well everyone has real nice opinions on this subject slim, but looks to me if you want to catch hogs u better just leave that dog alone and vest him up,,,my own personal opinion is a hog aint runnin if its got a dog hanging off the side of his head...you have to b carefull when you ask for opinions on here there are SOOOOOO many ways to hunt hogs,  and differnt people like there own styles hell if you dont like catchy dogs trade him to somebody that does they might have one that aint rough enogh for them

Slim,
There are too many opinions on what's right or what's wrong with a dog.  (open, silent, rough, bay, big, little, fast, slow, color, nose, feet, breed etc.)   There is no rule book for hog hunting.  All of that is based on opinion.  

I have my own opinions also.  There is no magic formula to catch hogs.  If you learn how your dogs work and learn to adjust your hunting to the ability of your dogs, you can hunt with almost anything.

I like that kind of dog.  Go catch hogs and never look back.  Hunt the dog often and have fun.

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he would fit right in with my pack he looks like a heck of dog

Everyone has their own opinion in what they want out of their dog. From what i'm hearing i would collar and vest him and catch me some hogs  ;D

Excellent subject.... Even if the question does not directly pertain to actual hunting...

The old timers I hunt with have told me the same thing about "nubbing" canines, filing them down so the hogs didn't get so torn up... course this was back when you had, basically, straight domestics free ranging...

Where I hunt, the hog is an animal my dogs are meant to control...  there is no thought of release, as long as they get it done.. 

Havin' perty rough dogs... I do admit I have thought about the "nubbing" technique however... pretty extreme... and I sure would hate to lessen my dog's ability to hamstring a bad runner by doin' it...

Just try not to judge somethin' because you don't understand it... have to tell myself that every day....  ;)

Just like everything else in life... the more you learn, the less it seems.. you know.

if u like em rough hunt em hard. if u dnt make the choice of what u wanna do, only u knw how to make up ur mind. BUT i like me some rough dogs >:D

"Nubbing" the k9s is not a problem. It is not something I do because there are other ways as well, but he said to "cut the k9s out" not to "nub" them. Everyone has their own way and I guess if we are gonna sit here and say this way is cruel or this way is cruel then we are no better than the animal rights wackos.

i guess i should have been more self explanatory, i meant cut the k9 teeth off flush with the other teeth, Do not cut the whole tooth out down in the gums, i guess i should have took more time to think of the right words to use, but i have seen alot of old timers do this with their hunting dogs, and have payed attention to everything i have heard them say over the years, it may have sounded like im cruel to my dogs but they are well taken care of, but i do know when one baydog catches there all gonna catch and then thats gonna leave to alot of stapling and alot of R.I.P.s just from my experiences

Some day I'm gonna get the nerve to try that... I'm interested in how it might change my rougher dogs...