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What 2 difference kind of dogs do they cross to get the B M C dog???

A BMC and a BMC!
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What I would like to know what dogs did they use to make a bmc. Where did the bmc come from???

East Tx...... ;)

 
 http://www.southernheritagekennel.com/OriginOfTheBlackMouthCur/

 This one goes way back!

 http://www.blackmouthcur.com/History.htm

I think you may be miss leading your self by the slang use of the word CUR to mean a mix breed, Thats not necessarily true, just because a dog is not an AKC reg breed doesnt mean it's not a breed in its own. if all mix breed dogs are cur's then a doberman would be a doberman cur,  I see it as a CUR is a type of dog just like a hound, bull, pointer or terrier so to me the old blood line cur dog's are their own breed ,,catahoula,mountain,black mouth, ect. with their own sub types like hound's ( red or blue tick ) Yellow BMC/Red BMC/ Florida BMC and so on  ..... JMO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmouth_Cur



Blackmouth Curs have varied historical documentation dependent upon region. Among them are the Ladner Yellow Blackmouth Cur from Mississippi, Red Blackmouth Cur from Alabama, Weatherford's Ben Blackmouth Cur from Texas, and the Florida Blackmouth Cur.
 
The first Blackmouth Curs registered were Ladner Blackmouth Curs through the National Kennel Club in April 1964. Mr L.H. Ladner had such extensive written documentation of his family's breeding that the NKC recognized the breed.[8] These curs are used to tree squirrel, raccoon, bobcat, mountain lion, and bear. They are used for hunting hogs and feral cattle. They also are distinguished by being used by the search and rescue emergency services.[9]
 Red Alabama Blackmouth Cur: The Red Alabama Cur is believed to have originated in Alabama, though there are Red Blackmouth Cur in Florida and Tennessee. These cur were supposedly registered as property in the courthouses around Howardtown about 40 miles north of Mobile and nearby Tibbie in the 1940s. They were used as multipurpose pioneer dogs that would hunt, protect the home, and gather in the cattle and pigs at slaughter time. Several breeders in Alabama, Mrs Murphy among them, continue to work toward retaining and improving the Red Blackmouth Cur. Through the efforts of several Blackmouth Cur breeders, the United Kennel Club later recognized the breed, featuring Howard Carnathan's Bruno, a Red Blackmouth Cur, in their standard photograph.
 Weatherford's Ben Texas Blackmouth Cur: Weatherford's Ben comes from a line of curs well-documented in the book 'The Big Thicket Legacy'. They are used primarily for herding cattle.
 Florida Blackmouth Cur: Florida Blackmouths, used for herding cattle, are featured in old paintings hanging in local barber shops and homes, so their existence and history in Florida is documented.
 




Florida Blackmouth Cur
Blackmouth Curs now range from the east to the west coast, and as far north as Canada. The Ladner Blackmouth Curs are also known to be in Mexico, Argentina, Haiti, Russia, India, and throughout Europe.
 
The book Old Yeller is about a boy growing up in frontier Texas and adopting a dog of the title name. The eponymous Old Yeller is a typical Blackmouth Cur. In the book, Old Yeller is a short-haired, yellow bobtailed dog that hunts and trees, isn't afraid to fight a full-grown bear when it is threatened, and naturally goes for the nose when he faces a mad bull. The author is very explicit in describing this old-fashioned breed and its use to the pioneer. The name "Blackmouth Cur" is never mentioned in the book, however in those days, the breed really didn't have a name or an individual identity. Also very closely related to the Blackmouth Cur is the Mountain Cur. The Mountain Cur dogs are slowly being sorted into individual types.

Not certain of all the blood lines in the Black Mouth, but according to the research I've done there seems to be some EM in the mix...

   right on  ;)

Whoooo!!    What a can of worms!    This oughta be good.     Kinda like askin what color's make up camo.

But there is only one color of BMC if you got your color blind shades on!! ;D

 

i am waiting on mrs kaycee`s answer gonna be good ;D look up kaycee on here she was raised with working  BMC her whole life!!!

It was expalined to me that the first cross to create the BMC began with a bullmastiff male and a black and tan gyp. It was expalined to me that thy crossed these too because of size and cold nose. It also somewhat explains the reverse colorins.

Who explained that too you and what kind of info did they have to back that up? it just don't fit the was the dogs work stock for them to be of that cross.

I don't remember the exact specifics of the text, but there was an article in the March 2009 Bayed Solid magazine called history of the Southern Black Mouth Cur (or something to that effect) which mentioned the Mastiff X Black and Tan cross.  Don't remember what facts (if any) were given to support the theory.  I'll have to go back and see if I can find the magazine.

I kinda wondered the same thing about the brindle cur dog? Where did they start? Everyone i have asked just tells me curr dog thats all no specific type not that it matters to me but just curious. I mean i know some mtn curr are brindle and other types come out brindle. I love the brindle dogs myself just wondering how they came abt way back when...

   I thank you got it right.  It is a man down the street that has a cross of a bullmastiff and pit bull and the dog looks just like a black mouth cur. Thanks

Yella with a black mask may look like a BMC but looks don't make it a BMC....alot of dogs can and will have a yella body and a black mask but they ain't BMC's..

that sounds more like a bullbull or a pitstiff,,, kinda like a labradoodle

food for thought on this subject,, the doberman took almost 20-25 years to mix 4-5 different breeds to get to a standard, and on occasion you still see a doberman litter with one pup the size of a great dane, As well the labradoodle has been in the works since the 70's or longer and the mutigenerational litters have problems with losing the breed standard still and a big % of the mutigenerational dog have exagrated health concerns,,,,it just doesn't happen in one or two breedings....... A BMC is a BMC just like, a walker is a walker ,a redbone is a redbone,or a catahoula is a catahoula ...

Well I think you would have to watch where you buy the BMC , you may get something that just looks like the BMC.  I have 2 so called blue ticks that the man said were through back . Well checked it out and that are not through backs , but a dog got in the pin , blue tick mother and father ??? The 2 hounds look like a BMC with long ears. ( not saying that won't hunt, only 3 mo old). The man even sent me papers , but I didn't send them in.

I hope they turn out to be good dogs for ya, sometimes there nothing better than a one outcross,, but it sucks to not get what you paid for, I've been there more than once...

From what I've always been told and hear a Cur dog (catahoula,bmc,etc) all comes from the same begin of the breed. Then as the breed got older people started redefining them and making them a more separate own breed. So basically catahoula and bmc are both Cur dogs and at once in time where the same breed.

And now I'm sure I just opened up a big old bag of worms and never gonna hear the end of it lol

LMAO

 Probably all began with two wolves!  :D ..... just kidding.

well i WAS  gonna keep this secret and take it to my grave lol . but since this post came up i figured i'd come clean .

   the black mouth cur is the descendant of the dogs of  the early settlers . :o as the settlers migrated south and west they brought their dogs with them . when they met new people on the trail they swapped  dogs and swapped lies about their dogs . this is also where dog peddlers got a bad name . :D when a man was sold a cull from a peddler he took the dog back and left the man and dog lying in the dust ... hence the term  " lie like a dog " . ;D

when  they settled in a new place they crossed their best dogs to the best dogs they could find . after years of this kind of breeding we now have  the florida bmc , the east tx bmc , the al bmc , the ms bmc , and mt curs that look like bmc  :o

all these catagories might as well be classified as different breeds , just like southerners and yankees , jews and gentiles , etc
   where did the bmc's come from exactly , ? they came over here in a boat hahaha

                                    i'm so glad to finally clear this up and get it off my chest !

I am down with that explanation......

I was gonna say tell the story that I was told.

Yellowblackmouth Cur's were smuggled into the U.S. from Columbia via Mule, to mini sub, to Mexico where they were wrapped in tight plastic mixed with axle grease to keep the smell down.

Then they were floated across the Rio Grande in tight bundles usually by illegal immigrants until they were picked up by a shady trucking company's and mixed into a load of peppers on the U.S side.

They were offloaded in Houston at secret loading docks where they were finally distributed by dog peddlers that kept them hidden in small balloons up their Arse's and ran when the cops came around popo.

Then the dog peddlers got hooked on their own Yellowblackmouth's and became greedy. The dog peddlers started cutting the quality of their Yellowblackmouths to make it double the price but weaker strengh and the watered down product was called.........CATAHOULA!!! ;D   

(That's just what I was told Believe it or not..your descision) ;D :D :o >:D :laugh: ;D

 

Then the dog peddlers got hooked on their own Yellowblackmouth's and became greedy. The dog peddlers started cutting the quality of their Yellowblackmouths to make it double the price but weaker strengh and the watered down product was called.........CATAHOULA!!! ;




well , now we know the WHOLE story !!   no more guessing  :D :D :D

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My girl is 25% BMC, 25% Catahoula and 50% American Bulldog. Now that's a combo!!  :laugh: ??? :o ;D ;)

the more i think about it , ybm , i think you are full of crap . popo

     everybody knows that anything as good as the stockbred yallerblackmouthcur  could only come from hardworking INTELLIGENT AMERICANS .!   you know, the kind of people that try to leave things better than they found them ....    instead of the other way around .  >: :angel:



      know i might go along still will the catahoula part  >:D >:D


      i'll catch up with ya'll tomorrow , goodnight .

JDT,

Yep I totally agree but these days if you see "Made in America" it only means 10% was assembled in U.S. The rest was smuggled into the States in a human orifice and costs twice as much for the trouble. Hell after this ressession were gonna be lucky if the pure yellowblackmouth isn't being cut by hound or something worse like airedale or jagterrier.   

"Warning also I heard airedale causes epileptic seizure in small children so beware".

I suggest anyone having an ongoing dependancy on any of the other breeds mentioned here seek immediate medical help and check yourself into Yeller Rehab.  Worked for Charlie Sheen!!!!   rolleyes

Yellowblackmouth Cur's were smuggled into the U.S. from Columbia via Mule, to mini sub, to Mexico where they were wrapped in tight plastic mixed with axle grease to keep the smell down.  

I thought they spread hog crap on them to enhance their ability later to hunt hog more proficiently. Or was that the Florida Cur. I get mixed up?

CORRECTION!!!! that would be the greater dane!!!!!!

 As it turns out, we were all wrong. Today I discovered where bmc acctually came from!  :o  It was horrible news. I found THIS under the front leg of a bmc this morning!  :(















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 True Chris. I guess this explains why only about half of them work right.  ;D

YBM, you are absolutely right. That is the truth...this happened a little over 100 years ago but like everything else the credit goes to whoever ducumented their version of the facts which becomes law 100 years later in the history books...

THAT JUST PROVES THE PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD. ;)

LMAO!!!

Sorry bout turning the post around JOHN S. Didn't mean to spoof a serious question!

I truly believe that you are gonna get 200 answers and they will all be correct in some form or fashion.
I also would love to know the TRUE origination of the YBMC. It has been widly disputed for years. And still continues.

The claims for origination from the mountains of Tennesse to the Mississippi Delta to the mighty fine East Texas Thicket area.
There are alot of people way smarter on the subject than me that can throw out bloodline after bloodline and trace back to a certain time, but then it always goes cold at a point and gets into seperate breeds that were supposedly used for the original magic combo.

The only fact I think can all be agreed upon is that they originated in the U.S with the early pioneer's and settlers and were used primarily as gaurd, hunting, and stock dogs.

If you are curious enough to ask this question the answer is YES you need you about twelve to fifteen to really get a good feel for em. Again YELLOW IS THE PUREST FORM OF THIS BREED AND HASN'T BEEN CUT WITH ANY ARTIFICIAL HORMONES OR DYE!!!    ;D ;D  

 

I think people are just having a good time and I like it ( it's fun) is ok. And on the BMC the main thing is the dog hunts.  I have seen hounds with papers that would not hunt and ones with cross bread dog that hunted very good and I know you all have seen that m too.  But is fun to try find out how the BMC came about.

The BMC does have some ancient roots from the stock protection breeds, the Anotolian, the Akbash, the Kangal, and the like. All these dogs have common ancient ancestors.

(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc3/3britts/Hogdog/1202703005nice_kangal_female.jpg)

And I am not saying this because of the coloring. I have a friend in OK that studies all things dogs. She sent me a bunch of material about the livestock protection dogs and how they were used in dog like the current BMCs, Cats and so forth.

And I dont mean they were used recently, but ages ago.

Snow Collie!  Haha

Sorry just came across this post again and it made me smile.  :)

after thinking on it these last few months , i'm pretty sure the arabic terrorists secretly imported them here hoping us ignorant westerner infadels would use them for sport- at the same time elimanating the food supply in the wild ( hogs cattle squerils coons possums and dillars ) so that when they decided to come take over it would be easier for them to subdue us .... little did they know how we were able to manage and increase our livestock and wildlife at the same time controlling predators and domestic or forein terrorists in our " yard "  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

HELL yea brother that's what its all about. Jehad are infusing Ybmc into a docile society in the hopes that they will implode to monsterous proportions and thus overturn the American Government.  I should have know when Snookie got pregnant and Paris Hilton turned herself into a nun convent. HAHAA  ;D

ybm , i need to meet you while i'm here , just for number 2s and giggles .  :laugh:

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I would describe myself like a Brad Paisley song.  (Much cooler online) or was it (Alcohol) dang... guess this Cuevo ain't helping to stimulate the old memory cell still alive.  ;D

Oldie Goldie!

Just wondering if this new crew has any better explanations!  :laugh:

Well if you BMC hunters & breeders really want to set your mind at ease, you need to call DDC Veterinary & ask for a DNA kit for breed evaluation. It is only about 40.00 bucks & that should set your mind at ease. 1-800-625-0874. This goes for the Catahoula breeders also.
  We all know that Plotts have been bred pure since they got off the boat around 1760. >:D >:D ;D