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Title: ??? for the pitbull guys ??? Post by: DangerZone on June 23, 2011, 03:57:25 pm I got this GYP given to me,, last of a litter that didn't sale she is 6 month old,, dog was free to get her papers would be 300$..he said she is (Old family Red) Gringo. Do any of y'all know this blood line? I know nothing about pitbull blood lines. I took everything he said as BS because he was full of it,,, the guy and the gyp are from Mexico so he said. I'm not even sure if she is full blood. Tell me what you think?? looks like she has been eating a little poor and has a couple heat spots,teeth,ears&eyes look good from the looks of her feet and nail shes been on concrete.
(http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad104/warddanny/fbf2f862.jpg) (http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad104/warddanny/846dfa5c.jpg) (http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad104/warddanny/0a0d1a28.jpg) (http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad104/warddanny/7fe8c252.jpg) (http://i926.photobucket.com/albums/ad104/warddanny/36a03f7f.jpg) Title: Re: ??? for the pitbull guys ??? Post by: Reuben on June 23, 2011, 04:15:23 pm well she looks to be built right with a good disposition and looks healthy enough. She doesn't look to be full blooded pit but she could be young and be more of the slender type.
She looks to have some type of terrier mixed in with the pit bull terrier. The hard part has been done and she was free so all you have to do is try her and see. :) She was free for a reason. ??? Title: Re: ??? for the pitbull guys ??? Post by: T-Bob Parker on June 23, 2011, 04:19:28 pm Please, don't take offense, you asked. Let me start by saying she's a good looking dog and free is the best price. That being said, in my opinion she doesn't appear to be full pit based on body to head ratio and general body proportion, she may very well be and I'm just not seeing right. Number 2 old family red has become the new gatormouth, gotti line, razors edge. What I mean is that it seems somebody brought a real old family red dog to the pits in fifth ward Houston and stomped a mudhole in the ghetto dogs and everybody with a pit that has a lil red became a breeder of the line somehow. In the last year I've seen that name on Craigslist more and more.
Also any time somebody is chargingthat much for papers their almost certainly full of it. Title: Re: ??? for the pitbull guys ??? Post by: djhogdogger on June 23, 2011, 04:21:42 pm well she looks to be built right with a good disposition and looks healthy enough. She doesn't look to be full blooded pit but she could be young and be more of the slender type. She looks to have some type of terrier mixed in with the pit bull terrier. The hard part has been done and she was free so all you have to do is try her and see. :) She was free for a reason. ??? X2, I would just give her a try. Most dogs that have a good amount of pit in them will catch. Title: Re: ??? for the pitbull guys ??? Post by: blakebh on June 23, 2011, 04:58:58 pm Danny, she looks like she could be full blood to me! She doesnt have the red coat and nose like most of that line but could be part OFRN! There are still some breeders that do breed the real Old Family Reds and she very well may be. I would ask the guy you got her from what registry her sire and dam were registered under then ask him the registered names of the sire and dam and grandsire and grandam. If he has papers on her it shouldnt be a problem! With those names you can search alot of different pedigree databases and may find something about her bloodline.
Here are a few links to check out! Fine examples of the OFRN line! http://www.flametreekennels.net/ http://www.norcalreds.com/ http://www.southerninfernokennels.com/ Hope this helps! Title: Re: ??? for the pitbull guys ??? Post by: bulldogger on June 23, 2011, 05:13:26 pm My buddy has one that I'll post a picture of to compare She is 14 now and still going strong. This is a picture of when she was younger. I'm sure there are different types within the family and the preference of who is breeding them. This dog is one of my favorite pits and will swim down to bottom of deep end in a pool to get stuff. Very smart dog and great heat tolerance and drive. She is probably 35- 45 pounds.
(http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b3ce35b3127cced609e304090e00000010O08RauGbhm0B7efBg/cC/f%3D0/ps%3D50/r%3D0/rx%3D720/ry%3D480) Title: Re: ??? for the pitbull guys ??? Post by: Heaven Sent Kennel on June 23, 2011, 05:48:19 pm Just cuz they don't have a 4ft wide head and chest don't mean they ain't full pit. I've got a full pit that's almost 3 and she has a lil bitty head, real slender and narrow and leggy. Throws some monster pups though. I've got 2 pups out of her at 65 lbs and my 75 lb male I had and the pups are 80 lbs at a year old. Some just have the hidden traits I reckon. As far as the bloodline I have no idea on but if you can supposively get papers shouldn't she have come with a certificate that shows bloodlines behind them that you and the seller have to sign and send in before you get the actual registared papers??? If your just gonna use her for a catch dog or maybe use her and breed her finished catch dogs are a dime a dozen at $200 and you ain't gonna make enuff money to justify papers in my opinion it wouldn't do any good. here's my 2 cents.
Title: Re: ??? for the pitbull guys ??? Post by: Heaven Sent Kennel on June 23, 2011, 06:02:21 pm Danny, she looks like she could be full blood to me! She doesnt have the red coat and nose like most of that line but could be part OFRN! There are still some breeders that do breed the real Old Family Reds and she very well may be. I would ask the guy you got her from what registry her sire and dam were registered under then ask him the registered names of the sire and dam and grandsire and grandam. If he has papers on her it shouldnt be a problem! With those names you can search alot of different pedigree databases and may find something about her bloodline. Here are a few links to check out! Fine examples of the OFRN line! http://www.flametreekennels.net/ http://www.norcalreds.com/ http://www.southerninfernokennels.com/ Hope this helps! Them are some mighty fine leggy red dogs. I think I'd like to try one ;D Title: Re: ??? for the pitbull guys ??? Post by: Reuben on June 23, 2011, 06:11:13 pm Danny, she looks like she could be full blood to me! She doesnt have the red coat and nose like most of that line but could be part OFRN! There are still some breeders that do breed the real Old Family Reds and she very well may be. I would ask the guy you got her from what registry her sire and dam were registered under then ask him the registered names of the sire and dam and grandsire and grandam. If he has papers on her it shouldnt be a problem! With those names you can search alot of different pedigree databases and may find something about her bloodline. Believe it or not I found one of them on CRAIGSLIST.. the man paid almost 500 hundred for him and I got him for a fraction of that. He is red red nosed and about seven months old now and probably will weigh 65-70 lbs. I can tell he will be a catch dog. he is very friendly but has a hi prey drive. He is ADBA game bred and I like him. His sire is a weight pulling champion and I believe the dam is as well. Here are a few links to check out! Fine examples of the OFRN line! http://www.flametreekennels.net/ http://www.norcalreds.com/ http://www.southerninfernokennels.com/ Hope this helps! Them are some mighty fine leggy red dogs. I think I'd like to try one ;D Title: Re: ??? for the pitbull guys ??? Post by: geronimo on June 23, 2011, 06:45:45 pm it dont matter what the line is if she catches and holds than you got a good catch dog. if she dont then cull. as far as full pit? i dont see full, but there is some in her. but again that would be the least of my worries. i would worrrie more about if she will be intrested to hold a hog for you.
Title: Re: ??? for the pitbull guys ??? Post by: Scott on June 23, 2011, 06:54:35 pm So, what do ya'll think...full APBT or not?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/sdp685/100_1350.jpg) Title: Re: ??? for the pitbull guys ??? Post by: T-Bob Parker on June 23, 2011, 07:47:31 pm Well Scott, in the case of your dog, id say that in that particular picture with no fore or background objects to judge over all size, I can only say what I see. I see good full length legs longer than the depth of chest, a fully tucked flank, good overall muscle, a well sprung rib cage, what appears to be pretty tight skin and a clean coat. Moving east I see a very well muscled neck who's hair seam is in just the right place in line with bottom of jaw. The eyes appear bright and ears appear to have good set. Muzzle looks to be the standard for the pit dogs of yesteryear not in vogue with the thugs of today. Now on to context clues. Though wee never met I've always enjoyed your posts and respected yor perspective on bull breeds. Knowing what i know of you, id say it is a pit. If not id still say she's probably well bred and in working condition
Title: Re: ??? for the pitbull guys ??? Post by: T-Bob Parker on June 23, 2011, 07:54:20 pm Also, Scott could you please pm me as to whether or not im on par. I'm not a great judge, but id like to see if im correct. Thanks
Title: Re: ??? for the pitbull guys ??? Post by: TexasHogDogs on June 23, 2011, 09:17:29 pm That ain't no Old Family Red and it ain't no Old Family Red Nose .
Old Family Reds and Old Family Red Nose are totally two different lines of dogs totally two different familys of dogs . Old Family Reds don't have red noses and Old Family Red Nose don't have black noses. Could she have a little bit of one are the other in her sure but in no way concentrated either one of the lines. Is she a pit bull , I have seem many many many that look just almost like her in her build I mean and can get the job done, Head size dont mean Jack as far as the lock down hard mouth goes ! I have seen pin head dogs nearly break a two x four in half and I have seen basket ball size heads that would do good to bust a grape! But that don't mean all of them are like that . She is in no way n bad shape as a matter of fact she looks like she is in good decent chain shape. Title: Re: ??? for the pitbull guys ??? Post by: Legendkiller on June 23, 2011, 09:41:11 pm google it.but hes right.just about evert backyard breeder theses days say they have this annnd that.do ur reaserch on google u will get ur answers.
Title: Re: ??? for the pitbull guys ??? Post by: DangerZone on June 23, 2011, 10:27:43 pm Thanks for the info and opinions guys,,, she is in pretty good shape 25lb, has a little gut prolly from cheap food or over feeding, I'd say she will fill out to look like the dog Scott has posted the pic of. So far I like her temperment she walked in the yard with my other females no big deal little butt sniffing. I'll get her on some shoats this weekend and see how she does.
Title: Re: ??? for the pitbull guys ??? Post by: PEEWEE on June 24, 2011, 09:52:18 pm well have raised pits for about 20 yrs and my famly for forever she's not a old style red old style reds are solid red with a red nose and some white on the chest maybe the feet but i raised old school dogs the wallace red nose,riptide,and colby lines
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