EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

If I made this cross what could I sell the pups for not.that it matters but both the bulldog and cat are registered. Both are hog dogs out of hog dog stock. It'll be her first litter so it'll prolly be a small litter if I do cross them. let's hear what you think... oh btw she is solid white and he is a dark cat can barely see the spots mist ppl think he is black.

The only way I would breed them if I( emphasis on Me) was gonna keep them and train them. Then I will be able to pick and choose the ones who display the traits I desire and I will hopefully end up with at least one hog dog. some day but that's me.

I spend more time with a catahoula bulldog than I do with people, but she is not a hunting dog; she's just rotten!

Could you.send a picture I have seen a few that turned out brown weirdly enough. What color is yours?

Give us a little more info on these two dogs you are considering breeding. Such as how hard they hunt, catch, range...

Are you planning on keeping some or selling all?

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This is Zada; she is only away from me when I'm hunting and she's highly trainable.
She does all kinds of useless party tricks; One of her brothers is a hog dog and I got to hunt behind him once and he's a good dog.
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Cat is gritty med range great bay dog will catch too. Bulldog is 75 lbs she has a heart that don't stop. Catches hard for size. That's a good looking cat X bulldog love the blanket with white head. The 3 I saw all came out looking like straight rednose. Oh btw if the bulldog gets out there and hog breaks before she's on it she will hunt with the bay dogs and has bayed till I got there then she caught. It's funny watching a bulldog bay she's agile but its still funny. Not really sure why she never caught till I got there.  The bulldog is very loyal she is very friendly but only minds me. She is my buddy I always cringe when I cut her loose knowing it could be the last time.

Unless u are needing more catch dogs i wuldn't do it! JMO  ???

oh you will have a hard time giving them away much less selling them in my short experience...

Well that's why in on here so I don't make unwanted pups. Is rather not give them away when I can cross her on another bulldog and get 750 to 1000 out of them. I just thought maybe crossing hunt on catch would be likely needed from some ppl.

This is just my opinion only i wuld only breed for what you want - i wouldn't breed for what i thought other ppl mite want cuz 9 times outta 10 u cant' give em away.  :(

i see absoloutly no advantage to mixing bulldog blood into catahoulas most lines are gritty enough by themselves .

S ound advice I think you are right. I breed Bulldogs for the kind of traits I like. I wouldn't want to sell dogs that don't suit me. I feel like every dog I own has a purpose and that's the quality I want in pups game dogs not pets. I got a littermate sister and brother cats I guess when she comes in ill try and cross her on another good strike/ bay dog. Only reason I wanted to cross the blood was because I can't cross the brother on his sister. I could but they would be retarded!

what u got an akc english bulldog?

Yeah, but it may breed some HUNT into them sorry ol catahoulas....   >:D  ;D

Lol   ;D the cats are pretty good. She's an NKC registered  Scott breed American bulldog. I'm pretty sure you won't get an English bulldog catching hogs.

He was referring to the outrageous prices you implied you could get for the pups. AB bred from hog dogs where I live go for 50.00 a pup.

Geez I got 200 per pup in vet bills time they are 7-8 weeks not including registering the litter. I wouldn't sell a bulldog for less than 750 or is waste my time. Where do u live? Are them Bulldogs registered if so what kinda stock? My AB cost me  2,000 b4 she was a year.

Man I would hate to come home and tell my wife i spent 2000 on a catch dog, you guys must have way better jobs than me, I like them $ free- to- $50 catch dog prices lots better. Maybe that's why I have never owned a Ab or Dogo yet, to rich for my blood. Guess I'll have to keep using them Craigslist rejects  >:( >:( >:(  As far as a Cat/Bull dog cross goes I say try it, bet they will catch hogs for you if you show them a bayed one

I'm sure they'll catch good. I am a G6 certified pipe welded I do ok.

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I must be honest and say I added the vet bills into her total price but yeah 2,000 and I'm sure more emergency vet bills to.come. hogs are rank around here

It dont matter what you do for a living or make a year...spending that much on a cross like that brings two sayings to mind.

"A fool and his money shall soon part" and "Some people have more money than sense"  ;D

I never said I what I make. I don't claim anything I can't back up my dogs are my hobby I spend my money how I choose. I like hunting I like hunting dogs not my fault I chose an occupation that ill never be broke or out of a job! I got a saying for you if you can't do it right the first time you won't have time to do it over. I am doing it right the first time! I don't own dogs that can't hold their own and I won't sell a dog I don't believe in. A good deal is a state of mind I paid what my  dog is worth I sell her pups for more than I paid I made a good deal! rolleyes

I use to be a member of the 798 and made good money then, now a lolely ol Jail Officer, don't you feel sorry for me. Hey I know what would make you feel better sending me a Dogo for Christmas, man ain't I a thoughtful  guy  ;)

Lol I'm assuming you are talking union. I work for NASA. I got a litter coming in July a planned breeding on.my full and my dads stud I might think of trading a pup.for a few hunts don't settle for a dogo ill show you what an AB can do for you

dixie hows the ab bred? and to you other guys the world of hog hunters and the world of most registered dogs are so far apart it aint funny. and i know texas is different but try buying a good bred registered ab pup here in california for a couple hundred bucks is the same as my chance of flyin to the moon. i know this a hog hunting board and based out of texas but thats not  normal   for american bulldogs.  some of the higher priced abs  parents have never seen hogs much less beeen hunted hard and more emphasis is put on protection work and or conformation shows. many ab pups are sold for 750 or more just as pets with spay neuter agreements.  i think i payed 500 bucks for my first ab pup about 16 yrs ago. its just 2 different worlds guys. i just got a new pup a few weeks ago and was happy to pay 450 plus shippin. now i gotta see if he makes a woods dog for me,lol.

No not settled on a Dogo, a good Ab would make me just as happy, just really like the looks of a good Dogo and have never seen a adult one in person. Really just want to try some thing other than a pit bull for a change. I see some Ab's around here for $500 to 750 that are real fine looking working dogs. oh and yea it was the Local 798 pipeliners union, it wasn't NASA, wow that's impressive to get to weld for them. I doubt I was ever that good, even on my best day

got all carried away about registered ab dogs and forgot  stuff lol. dixie hers my 2 cents on doin a ab cat breeding since you asked for input. when you do a cat to bulldog(ab or apbt) you may get dogs that act like a bulldog, or act like a catahoula or somewhere in the middle. the problem ive seen with some cat bulldogs is that they may act like a bulldog till one day its gets too ruff or whatever and they then remember they are half catahoula and let go and go to bayin. this can get both dogs and people hurt much less causin some lost hogs.

Thanks Waylon I am  proud of my welding I don't mean to showboat. I'm sure you are a good welder.  Dakota is a descendant of the margentina line on the top, with Texas ranger, loki von sanctuary, sanders combat, wrights rounder and  she has a lot of diff stock on the bottom woods breeding, crusher, sgt rock,  Bama best dozer, sand valley Sam,  Powerhouse iron axe head.

dixie thanks but how bout closer dogs and who bred her.

Her father is Rocks Mikey of AS her mother is OS Stella of AS. Her breeder was Alan Scott the founder of the Scott breed.

cool im friends with alan.

He is a good guy we started dealing with him last year been catching hogs ever since he is a legend around here and a hell of a nice guy.

if i recal right, bamas best dozer was cowboy/sand valley sam bred to jones whitiee and if so i owned his belly sister miss mabel.

I believe you are correct sand valley Sam to Jones white was Bama sire and dam. I cant pull up your website I tried . pm me your # is love to talk AB with you

not sure if i sent it but my number is 831-663-5767

if you gotta good catch dog and good huntin dog not much reason to mix the two... ive heard it makes a real good cross tho... as someone else said you probably have trouble giving them away much less sell them... catch dogs go for 100$ a head already catching solid around here... unless you wanted to breed some running catch dogs for yourself id probably breed the bulldog to a registered bulldog the pups would be far more valuable. poor ol catch dogs got the bad end of the deal, they are a dime a dozen lol i spend my heard earned dollars on one with a little longer life expectancy... im a pipeliner(6G and branch certified)>>>non union... I hit a pretty fair lick but i invest it wisely. If a feller works hard for his money he oughta do with it as he pleases especially as hot a job as weldin, your full blood bulldog pups would bring good money as they would be useful outside of the hog hunting... the cat/bull cross pretty much is for limited use. on the other hand bein her first litter you mite want to try the cross out... wont get rich but really not much to loose and you mite get something that suits you good and its hard to put a price tag on that. in the end it comes down to what you want... a litter to make money on, or find out for yourself if its a good cross and make money next go round... ive never mixed dog breeds much... but im looking at buying a dogo cat cross just to try it out :D

sure do like your AB and the idea sounds good, i say try it out but if it doesnt work and the dogs are culls hope they get fixed before you give em out

How much do you spend on a vet  per pup until all shots are given excluding the rabies?

I spend about 25 dollars a pup...

If I were to cross 2 different breeds like a bull dog and cur dog I would use a cur with lots of nose, hunt, and grit. Then I would cull through the whole litter and keep 3 or 4 of the best pups and then I would get the best of those and breed back to the cur. I would cull down to 2 dogs after a year or so unless I wanted to keep more of the pups.

In my mind when this cross is made it is to retain nose and hunt but to put more grit in the dog as well as more jaw strength. Also, a little more stopping power with shorter races and the dogs probably will need to be hunting with running vests.

Dixie,

I guess since you've sold bulldog pups, yet the dog your referring to has never had a litter that you must have some other bulldogs on your yard.  What other blood you have running around?

My vet bill is right at 75 for a round of puppy shots. 
My female git sick at 9 months I sent 400 on tests trying to figure why she had scours. Turned out to be a UTI pissed me off they charged me like that I could've and should've just shot her a dose of penicillin.
She got hooked in the neck btwn the vest and collar once pretty nasty so I took her to the vet for that as well .

Thank you hitemhard

Had a female given to me a few years ago she got hit by a car but she went back to hammer only one I ever bred so far I bred her to a dog out of Ohio  named Difficult he went back to the woods line only had three pups  sold  all them to my friends two are catching now other ones a 80 lbs lap dog.

I was just making a personal opinion and didn't mean no harm. Sorry I'd it upset. I can tell you from experience, that raising a dog from a pup, after shots and time spent with them, I would never make money back on them if I sold them. I have alot of time vested in my dogs and to me once they break a year old, it's pointless for me to sell them because it would be throwing money away, and it's hard to make your money back on pups unless you got the bloodowns results from previous litters to back the breeding up, and that is hard to come by.

Ya 25$ a pup is about average for vet bill... 2 rounds of solojec7 by 8wks and wormed 4 times with puppy wormer... 20$ for enough wormer for a whole litter and 100$ for enough solojec7 to worm 2 litters with 2 rounds... It's like with anything else, if ur not gonna change ur own oil it's gonna cost alot more to have it done... If ur not gonna doctor ur own dogs gonna pay alot more at the vet. And I don't doubt it cost 200$ a pup at the vet...  do a whole litter Less than 100$ buy it from Jeffers... Some folks aren't comfortable doctoring their own animals so to each his own :)

Doctoring my dogs is fairly inexpensive... a bottle of cut heal and a bottle of 100 amoxillin capsules at 500 milligrams each for about 20 bucks from Mexico lasts a long time. That's enough medicine to doctor several dogs for a couple of years. Stitching is usually not needed but is done very reasonably.

Ya cut n heal is getting higher seems like but it's a good product, I use that alushield sometimes. It seems to b a pretty good product as well... Stitches bout 3 dollars,For enough to sew up about 12" of cut lol... Or tail hair from your horse works just as good . Doctoring horses and cattle and dogs and working hogs is a way of life and a privilege alotta hog hunters never had as kids or young adults, or old adults, meaning more vet bills and less doctoring...and with that comes the loss of morals as far as some folks new to hog hunting killin every hog they bay and lettin big packs of runnin catch dogs chew their ears off and such...Use to b bout workin the hogs and Ensuring there will b good hogs to hunt next year.. That's a whole other topic though and just how I was raised so please take no offense anyone

I can do my own doctoring just haven't git the right vet yet to give me the medicines I need. I just changed vets so hopefully.I start saving.money. I can stitch but it worries me about infection

dixie just about everything u need to care for ur dogs does`nt always have to come from a vet! get with some the guys on the board or read some threads u`ll find what ur looken for. save some money, and gain some knowledge!

Hey just curious nothing to do with my original post but an old bulldog guy I know used to give his digs garlic pills everyday said it kept the ticks off and fleas dies this make since or just a old wise tail.

i have given it to mine... dont think it does much for fleas mainly just promotes a healthy coat, kinda expensive and a hassle, not worth it in my opinion... i worm mine with ivomec injectible cow wormer and put insecticide cow ear tags on their collars and i rarely have a flea on my dogs or in my yard... bout twice a year i spray the dogs and pens down with permetherin 10 concentrate... mixed pretty strong... and it works great. Just about anything you need to doctor dogs can b gotten at jeffers vet supply or tractorsupply, LA200, penicillian, rabies vaccines, blood clot powder, cut n heal, 7 way vaccines, sutures, wormer, iodine, syringes, needles...all easily available... and about 1/5 the price. i took one dog to the vet, cost me 550$ to put a drain tube in him!! never again, a heavy guage needle and rubber band do the same thing for less than a dollar... dogs usually lick their wounds when they can and that keeps the infection down..i use cut n heal, used it on myself before too, bad as it burns its gotta kill all the infection lmao!!!

I would stay away from the7 in 1 vaccine and get the 8 in 1. could save your pups life.

7 way was on sale  ;D Jeffers sells any kinda vaccine you want was just usin that as reference

What do you do with the LA200? Never heard anyone use it on a dog...

I feel like I have a good vet...he told me not no...but hell no on the LA200

Antibiotics... Cold runny nose immune boost...never used it much for infection... B12...Penicillin...la200...bute...banomine...Depends what i have handy when i need it... Used it many times and never hurt mine... But I didn't ask the vet... Put pour on cidectin wormer on them too and didn't hurt them... But like I said in 20yrs of huntin dogs I've taken one to the vet... If I can't fix em they go to the happy huntin grounds lol but I agree I doubt the vet recommends half the stuff I do and I wasn't recommending anyone to use la200 by no means... More less just tryin to state the versatility of TSC and Jeffers, same as with the solojec7... Sorry for any confusion :)