EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

This is to highlight those dogs that have had several, more than one, offspring that have made lead strike dogs.  Not mediocre dogs but really good dogs.  Info, pictures, and stories are welcomed.  This might help with ones breeding choices.  Good dogs are hard to find.  Most dogs are not worth breeding to and a few can't be bred to enough.  All colors are welcomed.

Mikes Tweety dog has been a proven reproducer, as were Winchester dogs momma Bell, and that combo crossed I thought was fantastic.

This is Ten Dollars.  The best $10 investment I ever made.  Ruff as they come on cows, hogs, or strangers.  Mother to my lead strike dog and the #2 dog of YBMs.  She will put the heart in the pups and has thrown some really awesome dogs.  The good pups out of her will be baying by 3 months of age.  No other gyp on my place is worth breeding to over her.   Shes been bred to 2 top male dogs and a pup from each of those litters have made awesome dogs.
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X2....so it seems.

Yepper Strikedog will have to endorse that claim. Mighty fine lil gyp and throws some top quality hunters.

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I consider Mikes Tweety gyp in this category. She is a dang good dog as well as seeming to produce well also. Her offspring and grandpups seem to have a higher percentage of above average dogs as well.

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even up here in the panhandle i have heard lots of good things about the tweety line... after seeing her pics if she hunts near as good as she looks i bet she is an outstanding dog

 she is a fine Lookin dog

90% of mine are tight bred... Sullivan, spivey, whitworth, pate stock out of the Chester area... I been breeding them and using them 15 yrs or so... Fairly large line of dogs and real rough, very high percentage make pretty good hog dogs, med range, 5-600yds, decent nose... Very seldom produce culls... Their size and grit can sometimes b a disadvantage and their extremely hard headed not gonna b one of them superstars at 8mths old but usually turn on by 1 1/2- 2yrs old. All in all it's pretty good line I think.

i have heard alot of the tweety dog      i would sure like to try some of hers   anyone got any youngins out her?

Ol Tweety's a pretty good dog. She's not a super dog by any means, just a solid, reliable dog. We've caught a lot of hogs with her that past few years I've owned her. Not only has she produced some good dogs, but her offspring are also producing good dogs. I have two more planned breedings with Tweety. One this year with the Obama dog and one next year with my Hunter dog. Sorry, but all the pups I don't keep are placed with my hunting buddies, you won't see any for sale.

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Dane u better start buddying up with mike pretty quick! LOL  ;)

This is Dolly.  Owned by a hunting partner of mine, Travis.  She's the mother, sister, aunt or grandmother to everything on his yard and almost everything on mine.  A heck of a nice dog herself and a really nice producer.  She comes from a pretty tight bred line of dogs.  Having a dog like this is like having won the lottery in my opinion.

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This is Cash (some know him as Buck)

I haven't personally witnessed his offspring go, but many, many people over the years have.  Lavon Davis who owned him for many years considered him to be the best producer he's ever owned.  I aquired him to use as an outcross last year to Dolly (above) but the breeding didn't take.  Tried again, and I now have pups due out of him in two weeks.

He's also the sire to the current litter of pups Mike has out of Tweety.

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Congrats on the upcoming litter. I know you were pretty bummed about the first breeding not taking.   BTW, Buck / Cash looks great.

Bryant I assure you the pups will have the hunt.  I wish that some of yall could hunt with his son that is out of Brandy.  He is the right kind for sure.  I DO NOT want anymore puppies to fool with but the thought has crossed my mind to breed Brandy one more time to Doc, her son out of Buck, to see what they would be like.  I own a daughter out of buck and brandy that I could use later on to breed to if need be.  It may never happen but it has definitely crossed my mind.

Tweety is without a doubt the strongest producing momma dog I have ever seen, she is good and she throws as good or better than herself which is rare. 

Bryant he does look really good, glad Chris and Mandi got him when they did, and got him started back on the road to health. He looks like a totally different dog. Amazing how a dog can shine when someone will take a little time and put a few dollars to properly care for one what you might get back out of them. A little Wormer goes a long ways, and a little Ivomec might have added that good dog, several more years of reproducing and hunting.

If everything goes well Thomas will be getting a pup out of Tweety/Winchester crossed same bloodlines her in another month but I hope I did not jinx it by letting the cat out of the bag too soon.

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Girlfriend is a top producing gyp! She is as close to a hog dog as you want! She currently has 4 generations on the ground, 3 of which are of age and striking hogs like none other. She has yet to produce a cull in the 8 surviving pups.. Each one will bay am find their own hog. 3 of the strike dogs are top notch while the other 5 are only about a year old but already have been getting it done. The black dog beside her is Blaster and is the best male producer I've seen. His pups hot the ground hunting and hardly ever produce culls.. It's extremely hard to keep these pups alive out of these 2 though. We've had more good ones get killed or die accidentally than anything

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Briar(http://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp289/baseball_10_03/1302186849.jpg) going on 2 in September! Found about 50-60 Hogs for us this year! Hog finding machine

(http://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp289/baseball_10_03/1300117571.jpg) the 3 gyps in the middle are just under a year old and will all strike hogs! The male dog out of this litter is even better, but no pics

Bryant, the Tiger pup I had out of Buck was on his way to being one helluva dog. Scared to death of a hog at nine months old, but when the switch flipped on after he turned a year old... there was no looking back. He was out hunting, out striking everything on the ground when he got killed at a year and a half old... his roughness was his downfall. These pups are starting the exact same way he did, very slow to turn on, but not as rough. This coming year should show what they're made of.

I liked the Tiger dog, but I think Hunter is the better dog of the two.  Maybe he's just more my style... I bet the Tweety/ Hunter cross will be something else.    The only female from the Tweety/Winchester cross is about to be spayed, so it's up to you to keep the good dogs coming.

Chris, you're making a mistake getting her fixed... but i'm gonna do my best at keeping them going. ;)

What cross with Winchester is your gyp out of?

I'm pretty excited about the breeding.  I'm not thrilled at summertime pups, but I'll take what I can get.  I know Cash's pups tend to be slow starters, but the line of dogs I crossed him to start really young so we'll see what happens.  The litter I have now that were born in January...every one would flat work a hog (or anything else that moves for that matter) at 3-4 months old and if turned out in the pasture they'd be out and over the hill in just a minute.  

Besides all that...how they start isn't near as important as how they finish out and I never judge a pup by that quality alone.

mike what is the tweety dog??

She's a catahoula out of some old cow dog stock near La Grange,Tx... but there may be some snakes in the wood pile.

Mike,

Was a typo totally different dog sorry for the confusion

thats what i thought she was     it hard to beat a good ole catahoula   lol   ones i run might ahve touch of pit or hound from generations down line      if any extra pups come up   let me know    she a helluva good lookin dog

Mike, I was about to ask the same thing. I have a pup that looks identical to her. Even a few spots on her chest. I got her and her brother from a guy in LA that lived near the Tx line. How big is Tweety???

I'd guess her around 65-70 lbs... she's not a small dog.

Ya it looked like it, im guessing she's not papered? Good lookin dog!

No papers.

The dog noelleis talking about came from Santa Fe, I was told she was a grand daughter to the winchester dog

She is probably out of my Brandy dog(a Tweety daughter), and sister to Ruby and Hunter.   Came from Clay Pope.

If that's the dog, then yes, she is a Winchester granddaughter.

Didn't wanna b the one to say it but yes she did and is

Here's a little history on that dog if you care to know.


Tweety was bred to Winchester. That litter produced one female and a handful of males. One of the males is Obama, and another belongs to a fella from around Lexington (I think)

The female pup went to Ben Besch in Cistern. He took her to Fort Davis and raised her out there, and bred her to a ranch dog of Bob Eppenauer's.  The resulting litter produced your pup, Hunter, Striker, Ruby, and a few others.   In my opinion, Hunter is the best dog in the litter. Ruby has range, and has found plenty of hogs, but opens on track and sure likes to run the deer....   Your pup was really turned on, and was out hunting damn near a mile away from us when she was hit by a car on Hwy 95 just north of Flatonia. We loaded her in back of a buggy, and were headed to take her back to the barn to put her down... she had enough fight in her, that Clay decided to give her a chance... I have been told she made a full recovery...    Does she show any signs being hit by the car? Maybe slowing down after a long hunt, or favoring one leg?

BTW,  I don't know that any of that litter will put teeth on a hog.  I know their momma will bay a shoat til the cows come home.

Ya she was hit and still will go a mile, lotta range, u can tell sorta but has never slowed her down any, not sore or slow and hunts plenty deep. She found a few but is not real independent lately but she was before so idk?? She's trash broke tho won't bump deer or diller and never made a sound on track but raises hell if u leave her at home or on the wheeler lol... She has alot of hunt and likes to hunt. U know how old she actually is???

I remember that dog.  Accident happened on the TDHA contest hunt year before last if memory serves me right.  I rememeber seeing her in the back seat of Clay's truck.  It's really a miracle she made it from the looks of her that day!

I am pretty sure they were born early December of 2008.  We picked them up on the first weekend in Feb 2009 and they were about 8 weeks old.

noelle   u have picture of her?    have u ever breed her?

I've seen Mikes dogs in action and seen the results of TShellys pack in the Teague Hunt.  The dogs are sure enough the kind.  I have a question though.  Where does the black color come from?  I've never seen a black curr dog, not saying that they dont exist.  Cause y'all have some great dogs.  I've heard good talk of them, I was always told if I ever raised one to keep it, but up until now I've never seen one.  I've seen some yellow dog throw backs that come out black and tan but never any blacks.  They are too good of dogs to be straight cats.  Maybe I've just been wearing those yeller stained sun shades too much.

FLBayNSlay there is a brother to Brandy, a tweety son in LA and his pups looks just the rest of them.  It could be that your pup is out of that dog.  The funny part is that Tweety, and two of her sons went to Florida along with Winchester.  A man there bought them all and hunted them one time and didnt catch a hog and sent them back.  That is when I bought tweety and the others were dispersed.  That poor sucker never knew what he had haha

Agreed  ;D  There are plenty of black cur dogs, you just dont see them often

I got her to breed to my line but haven't yet. She's leggy and dark brindle nearly black I'll try to post pic from my phone

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haha man that is to funny. I know some dogs wont hunt for some people and then sometimes it jsut dont work! Here is a pic of that gyp I was talking about. She is a little over a year old. I have her brother as well. The only reason I thought there might be some relation was the spots on the chest. I havent seen alot of Cats with that. I have seen solids and leopards but it almost looks like a birddog coloring  :D



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Strike dog.. This black line comes from Woodruff's ranch north of Huntsville. As I've been told they crossed black and tan hounds with cur dogs way back when, eventually getting some midnight black dogs. Line breeding these black dogs produced this line. They are sure enough solid black too. Ive been fortunate to hunt behind these dogs the last 5 years abd its been a blast. I raised the Briar pup and have a few young black balls of fury at home. The other dogs are my hunting partners. I'm not positive on the back story of these dogs, cward may know a little more as his dogs came from Woodruff's ranch also

OK Boys Q and A time!

Noelle:

You stated your Yeller dogs had some Spivey blood in em. Just wondering which Spivey and what area?

TShelly:

I take it these were the crows that closed us out at the last competition? :laugh: All joking aside they all look like sure nuff arse kickers. I was wondering what that black faced yeller dog in the last pic in the middle was out of and if it was littermates to the others in pic? (All look sharp bud)

Bryant:

They are still lookin good brother. Keep us posted when the youngsters hit the ground.

Mike:

I can't believe that you don't have papers on the Tweety line yet! That needs to be a top priority so we can sleep at night knowing she is Bonified!!!!! :laugh:  (Can't wait to see her in action)

Strikedog:

Get out of it YA HEA. (No more color questions for you buddy boy) Gentlemen please do not taunt my friend while he is in a state of mental weakness. He is recovering well from his last bout of brindle fever and we are trying to keep him from relapsing.

This dog here is at Mr Masons to be worked and it is out of the Tweety son that is in LA.  The resemblence is ovbvious.  FlaBaynSlay your certainly has the charecteristics, the sure fire way to tell is take her hunting  ;)
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Myles, I have papers on them They're all hand written so I can keep track of everything... that's all the papers I need. ;D

Touche'

My old line of Catahoula's always has some Blacks in the litter.  Most out of my Dasie Blue dog no matter what stud I breed her too.

I hate too sell a dog too any one that is going too take it on a couple hundred mile ride and turn out the first night he has it.  Most times dog isn't going too really hunt as well as if it knew the new owner.
Matt knows the story on the dogs I sent too Fla. because he picked them up for me when the guy sent them back.
I have another Tweety son in LA. that is producing good pups also.

YBM: haha yeah that's them. Shhh your telling everyone our secret, since the hogs got to running more we went Aerial with our CroWs :) truthfully we've had a hard time keeping the black ones alive, whether it be hogs killing them or freak accidents.. it's just now that we finally have some good up and comers that are solid black! The red dogs are out of te same line. Girlfriend is Blasters niece and comes out of a solid black gyp. The black masked pup your referring to was Dixie! She was killed by a big Barr about 2 months and was the best out of that litter. That litter is out of cwards Ike and Girlfriend.. They're just about a year old and Have a TON of bottom and hunt. These dOgs hit the ground running

Matt, they are from the corrigan area, mostly Sullivan and a little whitworth is all I have left. They are all cob rough and my pups usually don't see a yr old   Got videos of two of my last litter at 3mths old... On their first hog around 70#s... I'll try to get it uploaded they were caught in less than 2 minutes...Thats why they have dwindled down so much over the last 10yrs They are real rough and it's their main draw back, by a yr old they weigh 85#s usually and long legged and bark bout twice. Average range about 600yds. That's why I got the Winchester gyp(Molly) to try to keep good proven blood and Mayb take sum roughness out and add a little range. She hasn't been bred yet.

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Mike: I doubt he lives that long, but I think your third planned cross on Tweety needs to be to Blaster lol ;) ;)

Hell... she may not live that long either! ;D

She and her brother have been hog CRAZY since the first time they saw a pig (4 months old). Her brother is running with the big dogs and findin hogs. She is real independent, she will go do her own thang for a while and if she cant find sumthing she will go to the other dogs or come back and load up. Good looking dog you got there!

Chance,

Lots of catahoulas throw pure black pups. I've seen several different lines of yella dogs that throw various colors... one line brindles, one saddlebacks, one reds, one blacks. There's no telling what all dogs were in those lines to begin with. ;)

You really see a lot of black dogs and brindle dogs when you start cross breeding them.

FLBayNSlay... do you remember the man you got the pups from in LA? They could be kin to ours... I forgot all about that other Tweety pup that went to Louisiana.

So that would make her roughly 2 1/2 yrs?  She will go deep I give her that...  Turned her loose on a Barr with my bird dog behind Cleveland Mack at 930 am and me and johnnie finally called them off at 140 the next Mornin off 2666 other side of red road past Johnny don watsons... Over 16hrs straight and several miles... And several people were there that can vouch for it most of em are on here, lmao they said next time I turn that long winded $&@ loose to tie a brick to her leg lol I think her hip recovered ok ;D

I know his first name was Gary, a buddy of mine from Central FL went and bought 4 of I think 9 or 10 pups, It was a big litter and his got ran over. Another one works cows for a buddy of mine and mine are hog dogs in the making  ;D  My buddy who went and got them told me they were a good bloodline thats why he made the long drive and got 4 of em! They were a year old in April. Ive been pleased so far with them.

my dear noelle you forgot where you got them yeller dogs from and they are not sullivan dogs they in fact are out of the spivey catch strain from huntington texas my old black brindle gyp spook,and the old clettie pate stock dogs from near the carter pasture.spook was by a gyp by tiger joe lynn whitworths dog and my old find dog pd burks.matter of fact most of them dogs you got now come from kevin burks dog strain.lmao get it right ole boy.they out of some of the best old strains in polk county.

Ok thats what I was a thinkin. Curtis is only one I could think of with that blood but was throwed off from the initial area stated. Do you boys get any ringnecks throwed in your litters?

ringnecks and sometime a little white on them i thank they was some trigg hound way back.in fact jake noelle big yellow dogs daddy was a spivey dog crossed on phillip lowery's dog stock phil give the pups to louis sullivan and louis give me two pups years back i bred the male into mine to put some leg on them thats how old jake come to be his mama was a baying machine i have no idea where the rough come from.it just come to my foggy old mind jake daddy was about 1/3 ridgeback that may be where he got the roughness.he's definatly one of a kind i never bred that cross but once he was the only one to live.

Them two I got now mite have been the burkes family pride, but the(good) ones I was referring to mostly came from your mentor Charlie fairchilds strain:-) and that big brindle of willies I bred to that gyp I got from Jake years ago... They mite have been your culls as u say lol but I had a littermate Sullivan gyp I got same time u had them two back when we met in the sawmill and bred to a brindle male outta one of charlies dogs i got years ago but they was better than most and I was glad to have em and would love to get em back We was raisin and huntin the same dogs way back then even tho we wasn't compadres till a few yrs ago... Got my first dog from Charlie when I was about 12, and had lotta them bloodlines in my yard since then, got em all killed and was thrilled when I talked u outta Ol Jake and now
got Josie and Jill now if u will una$$ big red I'll b ecstatic!!! Remember my roots run deep up there too and my kinfolks had access to most the dogs u did all these years... And I got their culls lmao... U know there ain't enough money in the world to buy them dogs that I got from u there first class whatever they came out of and one in particular has made some dam good pups, all rough and all bout hard headed as you are
;D I had just about quit hog huntin cuz couldn't find any good dogs under 2000$ and that wore out SKS I swapped u produced a dog thats worth more to me than all the thousands I spent on other dogs and for that I'm grateful and u have a friend for life. (unless u swap me another buckin sob like this gray mare!!!!)

No doubt in my mind Kevin burks knows what he is doin when it comes to breedin and raisin some good dogs nobody is lucky enough to keep having dogs that prove themselves  and as he said doin it with the best old strains in polk county which i had lost access to and he knows his $&@! ... one of the few fellers that when he talks, I listen. Absorbed alot of information from him on dogs and huntin prospectives. And no I'm not kissing his a$$ but gotta give credit where it's due... Btw the Josie gyp is the one bout to drop puppies out of my pointer for those who been callin about them.

i aint never swapped you a cull dog,and you started the bucking horse swapping lmao with another grey mare that liked to have killed ole toot and jason yeah i guess ima have to get me one of these new breed of dogs yall talk about on here i think ima give red,tige,bigfoot,socks,and bird to kyle wayne and start over anew.anyway i'm sure all are good dogstock hell we hunt with a few parkers and they all got alot of prey drive and that bitch will roll on out maybe a little new wont hurt none.i could always go to hunting calvins lacy bitch for him lol.she dont bite near as hard as my other red dog did.

Ya give em to KW I'll end up with all of em lmao and leave the lacy dog at home, very seldom a dog bites me and gets another chance to do it again lol. I think we oughta get together and raise sum pups off this Winchester granddaughter dog, another Ol boy wantin to line breed her but idk

oh and remember charlie got ole chief from me and alot of his dogs i loaned him my old brood gyp cheyenne to breed to joe lynns dogs.culls naw i aint let you have no culls

Hmmm... Mayb I did have sum of your dogs all these years then lol


I'm kinda stuck between keeping the Molly dog out of the Winchester dog or Gettin rid of her, I'm just kinda at a loss of interest with her, anybody have any input on it??? 

Why the loss of interest?

Mainly because I have a yr old yellow gyp out of my dogs that's comin on strong and puttin more time into her and not enough in Molly. Plus she ranges a little far sometimes for my liking, and lately has been depending on my birddog alot. She just been neglected and needs worked with is all that's wrong with her nothing that can't b fixed, doesn't trash and bays and has found hogs, I just been Workin my other dog

well you may be right about your choice she is going to make a medium range dog.in these times of everybody being so picky about their ''deer leases''a sure enough get yonder dog is gonna get you in a legal bind evintually.plus you always having to track the sob i'd much rather find five in five thousand acres behind a short to medium dog than have to track to coldsprings lol.josie grampa was like that i scold him and he was gonna find mr hog if it was all the way down at chester.i guess me and you gonna have to start raising dogs together any time kw get his hand on one you get em,oh and thanks for ole tiger back.