EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Planning on getting a blue pit soon what are yalls opinions on them ive never had one, or hunted behind one please give me some information and some pictures too, thanks

I got one dang good catch dog

I just started mine and he s catching hard, and he went to the bay his first time in the woods without knowing anythang ..
blue pit,red nose pit,american pit they are all pits 9 outta 10 will catch no matter what color they are.

They are pit bulls and blue in color

Shes one of my best very fast and alot of heart and thats larry they are my main catch dogs .


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How old is your's that you started Hector?

Color doesn't make or break a good catch dog..

11 months 

I have a dream that one day a PitBull will not be judged by color of his hair but by the hardness of his bite and the gameness in his soul... Yes I have a dream!! O0

Tbob, keep dreaming. A truly game blue pitbull is very rare. I judge all of my pitbulls on mouth and gameness, putting gameness, first and I don't have a blue one on my yard and haven't had one stay on my yard very long if that tells you anything. Everyone has their opinion and that is mine and it is based on my experience dealing with literally hundreds pitbull dogs.

Hs, all pitbulls are American hence the American in their name. If they are not American then they are not pitbulls!

can anybody define a gamey pit, because the blue pit in my photo is very wild . just wondering if she fits the term "gamey pit"?

you are right they are all american pit bull terriers,but down here where Iam at ,most people call them american pits if they are black, brown,white ,every other color thats not blue or red  even though thats wrong     thats what I was referring to O0

This is larry 3 yr old finished catch dog
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Game has nothing to do with wild. Im sure one of the elder pit men would love to define gameness for you.

I love this board!!!! All these expert opinions are priceless.... I didn't KNOW "blue" pits weren't gamey.... Lmao

nice boots OCD where can I get some of those   ;D ;D ;D

Tmatt were  any of those blue dogs out of proven catchdogs? Were any of those dogs bred out game dogs? The blue coat color is a recessive gene out of black seal and fawn to buck skin colored dogs! I could take a black seal gyp breed it to a fawn or buckskin male line breed that line of dogs. I may end up with a blue pup first breeding or a may end up with fawn blue pups buckskin pups with blue noses and blue tear drop eyes.line Breed any variation of these back into ur black seal sire or dam and ur gonna end up with a blue pup sooner or later. This is how i ended up with my shamus dog. Took 5 years of line breeding out of hamond stock crossed with some avant bred dogs. he has plenty gameness and drive with all the bite i desire. His sire grand sire dam and grand dam all had these traits. If u want a blue american pitbull terrier that has plenty of game and has a hard bite do ur home work breed for specific genes and traits and u can get the look with performance. My most trusted catchdog is blue and wouldnt trade him or sale him at any price. If its a blue dog u wanna try give it a whirl. I can promise for every blue dog that didnt make the cut there was a red rednose  black brindle white colby bred dog that didnt make the cut either.

Chris,show me two blue bulldogs that were winners in the historical sense of apbt history.  Blue bulldogs did not come blue from a dilute gene if so all the black lines would have thrown them along time ago,the blue color comes from other breeds bred in for color not gameness. Blue dogs ain't game......can they be good catch dogs, pets and working dogs .....yes,game dogs in the historical sense .....no.   we have

I never said anything about blue pits not catching i just wanted yall to share some photos and give me some information

....Damm phone ....we got two in the trucks with us now some folks don't understand gamedogs or the true meaning and use the term too loosely...not understanding is not a bad thing but I think anyone who is a fancier of Apbt's should study the history real good. Imo

I know back in the older days the only way to test gameness was in the box. But now a days you can't do that so I think people look for different ways to test gameness. Gameness to my understanding is the willingness to never quit no matter what so I can kind of see why people think catchdogs are game.

There is no true way to test gameness except in a controlled environment like a pit. Some dogs in pits are fast finishers, this does not mean they are game. Just because the dog is a champion does not mean the dog is game. Gameness is the will to keep going even when the chips are down, to put it simply. A good dogmen will usually count his losses on the money and pull a truly game dog from the fight to use him/her for breeding. I dont know anything about recessive jeans or pretty colors or anything, but I do know that I cant think of one blue dog that was famous in the pit. From what I understand, comparatively speaking, blue is a new color.

It would be very hard to find the money to buy a good tested truly game pit. Usually money cant buy these dogs. Their pups however are a different story, and thats where the word "game bred" comes from. It doesn't mean the dog is for sure game, but it does, or is supposed to, mean the dog comes from a game dog. This gives you a CHANCE at getting a game dog.

I agree Colt. You can have a catchdog that is game BRED but not a catchdog that is game it just wont work.

Here is one im useing now ....he's not permanent just a temp  from the temp agency  ;D

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The "blue" coloration comes from the American Staffordshire Terrior which was bred to the APBT for larger size and more legs all for the looks purposes. Thus is why most blues are over 50#s and not the 40# game dogs. This is also why a "blue" dog typically is not GAME.
After saying this my top male is CD is blue and my best female is blue fawn, but I like a 60# lock it down full of heart pit and these can be found in any color.
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as law abiding citizens no one in the USA can test their dogs for gameness. The gameness I am talking about are from the old time hard core dogmen who pitted their dogs. This is the ultimate test for gameness.

We need to be able to find APBT dogs that are tried and tested for not backing down from any hog and to have courage. I am sure we have breeders doing this already but we need to be able to go to a registry and find these breeders any time we need a working pitbull pup...Years ago we could find a pit that worked but now I think that the percentage of pits that work as catch dogs is still good but not as high as years ago. I think that part of the reason is that the pits from nowadays are far removed from the proven gamedogs of long ago.JMO

I remember the blue pits as not being around that long. Don't know where the blue color came from but I am "ASSUMING" from wiemeraner or blue dane. Anyway, they were high dollar for awhile with the backyard breeders. Red nose pits were popular before the blue pits. And we know what happens to most breeds when they become too popular. When a breed is not popular and doesn't bring a profit then only the breeders that care about the breed are breeding these dogs and this ensures a higher quality in that breed of dog. These are my observations and opinions.

Broadhead12,

You were posting when I was otherwise I wouldn't of been assuming on the blue color...I am at work so takes me a little longer to post.

Underdog you was right them 2 blues could be twinky's. :o

Gameness- Willingness to continue the task at hand until completed no matter how tired or how much damage/punishment has been taken.
Reuben, your right as law abiding citizens we are not able to purposely test the gameness of our dogs. However, I will guarantee that any pup from my dogs, if allowed to mature first, will be Game. If any of them stop for any reason bring them back or cull them and I will replace them. I have had to replace a few over the years since there is not a line out there that produces 100% gameness, and I have no problem with that. My Redboy dogs produce about 95-96% game dogs and to me that is an acceptable percentage.

Big Chris, I hate to break the news to you but Avant dogs are not game dogs. The Almonds stuff is coming from the Ch. Alligator stuff and they do come game. I have been breeding blacks, buckskin, whites, reds, and bundles for about 15 years and have yet to get a blue dog out of any of my dogs. For many years the blue coloration was considered a fault in APBTs. For some reason that has been changed just like the breed standard has been changed to include the big dogs.

If you want to know if a blue dog can make a catch dog then the answer is yes if you just wanna know about blue dogs do some research and you will figure it all out. If you decided to research them don't do it by asking blue dog breeders questions.

No where did i say that the avant line i used in this cross was a game bred line of dogs! But with in the line of avant dogs that were used they were also benedict and bismark ancestors. my point being in all this is color dnt mean jack. But if u break it dwn breed a dog with desired traits to another dog that posses the same desired traits if either dog was blue or green to another dog that is purple or pink and the out come was a zebra striped hard mouthed stay caught for 10 mins or an hour on 300 lb dog wrecking machine was that dog not bred for gameness to accel at the task it was given? Why cant blue dogs that a man crosses for those same standards be bred for gameness? All these old bloods that are spoken of today no longer exist it is left up to us work with and creat better dogs for tomorrow wether there blue or not. I say if u got a blue and he catches hard fast and true use him breed him and make it better so what if does`nt carry old game bred dogs lineage if u bred to be game and sound at his job u got urself a back yard game bred catch dog. Thats my  .02!

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. You say these old bloodlines don't exist anymore, well when your ready to see a double bred grandson of Gr. Ch. Mayday, or a great grand son of both Bb Red and Gr. Ch Banjo, or even a grand daughter of Ch. Jeep, just let me know. I have the old bloodlines and will have them for a long time. Maybe that is why I have a problem with all of these "gamebred" blue dogs.

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Not only do they still exist but there are certain people who have a yard full of dogs bred directly off those old bloodlines..
A dog that will catch a hog is not necessarily a "gamedog" that's why there are people who have blue dogs that work perfectly fine for catchdogs along with a lot of other color bulldogs and also different types of dogs such as dogos and american bulldogs that will work as catchdogs.. They will work as catch dogs  but they are not necessarily game in the true sense of the word.. I would say 95% of the dogs being used for catchdogs are not game..

well said chainrated

i think some of yall need to see this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9nnF1AeY6A

and this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VtMmTSHhlE

bignasty,

them are the bully type that over heat if left outside for more than 30 minutes... ;D

heres my 2 cents on this thread... blue dogs to some extent have been around for a long time  but they were /are rare in game bred dogs typically.now the dogs i saw many years ago that we called blue were more of a seal i guess but as someone else said earlier you can make color pretty easy in the breed if color is the focus. and someone also said amstaffs were bred to apbts to make the blue dogs. well all amstaffs trace back to apbts. do a ped search and go back far enough and you will find great pit dogs behind every single amstaff. and as for game dogs being a thing of the past i wouldnt say that as a law is just a law,lol. heck i see ads etc for all this mayday offspring and a friend of mine owns all the frozen mayday semen today. and as for gameness being spoke of. in the apbts/pitdogs it meant one thing and one thing only and that was against his own kind. now that being said i do feel there is another use of the word game and that  is to me being game relative to the job/task the animal is being used in. so if you want to catch butterflys and your dog never quits a butterfly then hes game in that venue. same goes for catching hogs. but to say  a dog that stays/is game on a hog   is the same thing as a dog proovin it in the pit is just not true. only my opinion

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I now own a red red nosed pup that is a so called game bred pup and his sire and dam are weight pulling champions and this pup I know will catch and he acts just like I like them...He might not be dead game on another apbt but I am willing to bet he will be on a big boar...

I don't know what twinkys are but they sure look alot alike.....I woulda swore it was the same dog going by the pics...



Ole "Red"

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thanks everybody for the help on identiying a game dog .according to everybodys ad such as rueben,bigchris,ethhunters,tcolt,broadhead and tmatt i must have a rare blue pit and she meets the standards of a game dog.i know for a fact she is a game dog because she came from a guy who uses game dogs for game reasons and she is one of my best catchdogs.i have only been able to keep her with the male you see in my pic next to her anything else around her she tears up.

That was the point I was trying to make. Good posting

Reuben, just remember the only true dead game dogs are dead. With that said, let's hope your dog never has to prove to he dead game.

Gary fuller, your right, gameness in the sense that it is used now days is relative. Gameness is the willingness to continue the task at hand no matter the amount of punishment received or how tired the dog is. Most of the time the thing that will show that a dog is willing to quit or prove that he is not game is fatigue, not injury, just simple fatigue.

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tmatt, i absolutely agree with you on the fatigue deal. ive seen more catchdogs come off a hog from being knocked around slammed and just wore out compared to ones that come off due to bein cut.

i HATE the bully type...where im at almost every dog has the blue bully crossed into them...ugh..i cant find a dog with it not in them. i have to go up to three hrs away for it. i personally dont use blues.. i guess because im just tired of bully being in them... Now a days people are doing bad breeding too...most dogs i ahve seen that have bloue bully in them are very dog aggressive..just from what ive personally seen.. :) no offense to anyone who lieks them. i just dont.

If I remember correctly,

I read where the english bulldog used to look like a modern day medium boned pitbull and now they need assistance during breeding and usually a c-section for pup delivery and they need AC to keep from overheating. Some might say they have a few that don't but it is more the norm...

I see the Bully type leaning more toward this type of dog. I reckon fatigue gets this type of dog if it is not in tip top condition.

I am not a pit bull expert but I know a good one when I see it and know what it is supposed to do.