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a few years ago when the lead singer for the chicks ripped bush she was anti american and got hammerd with death threats and all kinds of crap.u guys get on here and call our current pres a p.o.s. i guess that all right because u dont like him.im know fan of his but bush wasnt no better it took him 8yrs to get everthing in a mess dont expect no one to clean it up n 4yrs.i dont think we should b on here ripping the pres of the usa no matter how bad he is ;D.but i do agree hes  made alot of empty promises,but look who he has to work with a bunch of people who has never had to work for a living ,like alot of us,most of them has nevr had a real job.i dont no maybe they all need kicked out and we need to start over.this world is n a bad shape and it dont look to get no better,i think sadley r best days r behind us.by the way bush will go down as one of the worst pres in history rite along with the current one.

George Washington is the only President that didn't blame the previous office holder.


Bush had to deal with Clinton's mess... Remember Enron?

Obama has had to deal with Bush's mess... Housing market?

People, myself included, tend to blame the President... In reality, we ought to be blaming congress, the president, and ourselves for letting them get elected.

As for the Dixie Chicks, they were on foreign soil trash talking our president....

To me, there is a big difference in being on foreign soil and speaking against the current administration vs. being at home, speaking with other American voters and airing your grievances.

the dixie/chicks are just an example of the bleeding heart liberal representing the hollywood cult who are in competion with the liberal media ie: HLN (supposed to be a news media) for more control of the mass publics worship. Bush's problems (9-11) were dumped on him because of the previous clinton admin. that made our country/people look like a bunch of idiots and fools that can't keep their pants zipped, so the rest of the world U.S. haters decided  time was right to strike a blow against freedom, which Bush defended honorably, no he may not be remembered as great as Reagan, but close, which will still be a lot better than the lying (empty promises) this slick talking snake oil salesman we've got now.

X2 Well Said, Circle C. couldn't agree with you more

Actually it wasnt all the dixie chicks. It was natalie mains or ever how u spell it, the duaghter of tx coutry music writer loyd mains, again ever how u spell it. It doesnt matter what soil u speak from, atleast have the heuvos to say it on ur own countries soil aswell. Im speakn from afghanistan, and i aint affraid to say the same words in my own country. Its called the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution

Theres two things i dont like to talk about, religion and politics.  HOWEVER, one president cant fix anothers problems over night and i seriously doubt any level headed common sense holding american would think other wise.  THAT BEING SAID, what kind of AMERICAN stands there with his hands folded while the anthem is played, while the pledge is read or TROOPS ARE BEING HONORED?????  Whether or not you like/liked bush you cant help but admit this one AINT WORTH A WATERY DOG number 2.

Aint figuered out how to do a quote from the iphone, but ver well said rdjustham. We just need to get these a**holes out and start over. If we elected them, then why cant we hold a vote to remove them? Ohhhh, its called treason. Its ok for them, but not for the rest of us

I think it is about time people start voicing there opinions !

This country cannot afford another mistake !   You are right it is not just the pres its the whole damn sha bang but the Pres is the one that is suppose to be leading all of this so if he is the big dog then he needs to be able to stand the heat.

Bush had no choice after 911 what ya gonna do lettem walk on ya like a yard dog !

Well wilton, thats 2 of us. We only need another 24,998 to get anything started and gather more as we go. I cant see to many more following suit, to many all talkers with NO follow up!

Its hard to lead a revolution by ones self. It takes both leaders and followers who do as told with minimal questioning and askings of WHY. If you cant be a leader, then be a follower with honor, integery and selfless service. To many look at it as me, me, me, not we. There aint no I in team and there are to many with the I agenda, and only a few with the WE agenda. There are to many kids, and not enough MEN.

education.....get yourself one

The housing market started with Clinton....Clinton created the market where low income people could qualify to buy a house. In return...when the economy slowed....the people with no money or equity in their homes .......were the ones who let their homes forclose.

Thats kinda harsh bump. What part does he need educated on? He made several statements. For constructive critisizm, u should point out where he lacks is education. We all dont agree on everything, but we r entitled to speak our opinion. Ignorance is having the lack of education, we ALL fall into that bracket at some point in our lives, and do it many times over. As long as we learn, then we get better, just dont keep makin the same mistake over n over.

X2 Bump good facts, confuse a liberal

Rex,
You are probably correct that it started with Clinton. It did continue through the mid 2000's...
My point was more along the lines of.every pres had had issues that began with previous administrations.  I voted for Bush, and would vote for him again given the opportunity, as I believe he is a man of.values.

Not true he blamed the King of England.... but he also did something about it too!
Those were the good ol' days I guess.

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GW may have screwed up a time or ten but he loved America and it showed and still does. The Dixie Chicks were a great female country group but commuted the mortal sin of country music, they got too big for their britches and forgot where they came from and who got them there. When you make a living entertaining a group, dont upset that group. Plain and simple free market capitalism.

Obama is a terrible president. He got a law degree thru the policy of affirmative action, then just as the old saying goes, those who can't do, teach. That's what he did. During and after, he was a racial pot stirrer. Same as quanell x and countless others around the nation who rise to fame on the tide  misfortunes of poor ignorant inner city blacks. From there he went into govt where  voted present until he was inaugurated president. He had no experience and it shows

I don't like the Dixie chicks or there sin Waggon that Obama rides on. Glad you know how I feel about it.

C'mon man, sin wagon is one of the few Dixie Chicks songs still on my iPod!! I like Earl had to die. :P

bump,dont get ur panties in a wad just because u dont like what i said,no need to make it personal.i dont care for our current pres,i was just wanting to no why it was such a big deal when someone said something about bush and now everybody is ripping obama.just wanting some perspective not feedback on how unedcuated i am.

Because most people didn't agree with the Dixie Chicks.

Your posting a controversial topic on a public ,Texas hunting forum. Majority of Texans and most hunters are Republicans who supported Bush and oppose socialism. Most also oppose liberals, who as a majority do not support hunting, the reason the majority of us are here.

My point being...if you are going to post a controversial topic, put down one of the best presidents of our lifetime and stand in the minority opinion...."no" you are going to get some heat.

Nothing personal here, just like you I am offering my opinion.

How can you support Obama and even be on a hunting board? Its like being Jewish and supporting Hitler. He will whipe you out when he gets the chance... you know that right?

Well worded.Hit the nail on the head
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 Best of our lifetime? Sure hope not. Came into a budget surplus from Clinton. Managed to invade a country under false pretense. Chicken footed around trying to catch bin lodin .

LIKE!!!

And in this case there is no grey area, you either like/support him or you dislike/dont support him.  Just to keep the topic current, look at how this entire debt seiling issue was handled.  Basically they (the pres and senate) used scare tactics of cutting military pay and ss and the reduction of the AAA rating to get the american people scared and basically believe that we HAD to raise the debt ceiling.  Then after they raised it the AAA rating still took a crap and the market dropped 1200 pts.  The House should have told them to shove it and let it ride out.  You cant be spending $10 you dont have and then reduce that to $7 you dont have and call that a spending cut, you are still going backwards.  It is the same smoke and mirrors bs that got him where he is today and we all just keep taking it.  Meanwhile you have a few industries that without a doubt have to be in bed with the government getting richer by the second.  How is it that in 2007 a barrel of oil was around the low $80 mark and we paid 2.75 for gas, now with the same price per barrel we are paying 3.45-3.50???  C'mon man, nobody can make that money in this country and get away with it.  You can't tell me someone isn't getting a peice of that enormous pie.

My theory of government is simple.  If you want to give tax breaks, give them to businesses that are willing to stay in the US and hire US citizens to work for them and create jobs!  CUT OUT PROGRAMS, we don't need them!  The governement does not need to support me or you or anyone else!  If you are not spending money on said programs you will suddenly realize that your bills are easier to pay and you don't keep staring at the deficit wonderin why it is climbing.  Run the country like a business not a charity.  I don't know if it was really profitable or not but I think Roosevelts parks program and I think well at least we have something to show for that money.  Same should be said for anything that looks like a program today, it needs to be earned and assets gained as a country for the money laid out, not just a hand out.

How about Obama trashing the usa over seas he can kiss my butt

Agreed.

Here Here !

I don't care what anybody says we had the right guy in the right place at the right time on 9/11.  We needed somebody with a set of stones and I'm glad he was there.  I supported then and I support now the invasion of Iraq, it needed to be done.  No Saddam was not sitting on an A-bomb but he was sitting on a lot of nasty stuff that he would have sold cheap, and to anybody.  Remember in the 80's when he gassed the Kurds in the Northern part of his own country?  Did you think he used everything he had? Plus the sanctions we had set in were starting to hurt.  He was going to get money from somewhere.   Iraq at the time was like a Home Depot for stuff that goes boom, that's why we've been dealing with IED's for so long.  Take if from somebody that's been on the wrong end of one, you don't want that crap making it to the states.  

Obama I'm not happy with at all.  Since he's been in office they've threatened to change my retirement twice and as far as I know he didn't say a peep about it, at least not that issue specifically.  I haven't been able to find it if he has.  Either Bush or even Clinton would have been screaming about it.  

Matt.


Great post man !  You nailed it !

The Dixie Chicks little tirade was a big deal because she decided to run her mouth in another country, putting down our country when the feelings of patriotism in the US were probably higher than they had been since the seventies.  Nobody wanted to hear it from that airheaded gyp at the point. 

Like has been said before, we need to quit giving away money for nothing.  The CCC might have been a government program but we're still benifitting from what they did.  I wouldn't mind seeing something like that come back.  If they are going to get community money then they need to do something that benefits the community to earn it.  Maybe they'll regain pride enough to make something of themselves.

I am 67 years old and Obama is by far the worst president we have ever had. He is completely incompetant and got where he is by playing the race card. Liberals worship at the altar of equality. They are more afraid of being called a racist than a possum is an ax handle.

Obama has spent more money than all of the other presidents combined and look where we are.

What do you expect because it is all in the breeding. His daddy was a drunk dope head and his momma was a slut.

SO.... who's goin hunting this weekend?.... I workin toward an allnighter Sunday nite... forcast is cloudy with temps in the mid 70's should be a good nite to be in the woods. 

Bigdog not to be rude but your total lack of understanding of our political system is the biggest problem in this country. It is not your fault it is what politicians have done so they can do what they want. I would simply ask what is the president actually responsible for? Go read the constitution and that is how it should be. Go get a Political Science degree and then you will know how it does not function that way now.

I do not compare any president to another because it is not right. Judge each on their own merit or lack of. Obama has failed at his job. Buy me a drink and we can sit down and discuss it. But I can respect everyone's opinion. I just wish our system could go back to the constitution.

The word

Impeach

comes to mind and Impeach on incompetants.

I dont know if this Country can stand another 12-14 months of this crap !

I didnt vote for Obama, and i refuse to pay taxes for him

An impeechment wont work. Look who would be in charge then, even if you took biden out as well, then u got hilary rotten clinton. An impeechment wont work, to many roaches. Its time to call an exterminator n get them ALL in 1 fumigation! >:D

SCHitemhard, how you doing that? Since these liberals got control all my taxes home/ranch,county have gone up 20% while the valuation has gone down? That's socialism for you spread the wealth for more govt. giveaways to the illiterate deadbeats for there democrat constituents. Can't hardly wait till they take my health plan i've paid into for over 40yrs... and downgrade me to govt. health all the while spreading my hard earned for all the illegal aliens.

Wilton. Where in the irs tax law, does it state we have to pay taxes? The reads that if the state requires state tax be paid, as does federal tax get paid. Taxes are to be implaced on profits earned, not wages earned. Show me in the law where we are required to pay tax on wages earned n i will publicly kiss your 4th point of contact!

Your right man didnt think about that .  Its a long line of Roaches behind him .

Charles...

Here's some good reading for you including relative case law.

http://www.irs.gov/taxpros/article/0,,id=159932,00.html (http://www.irs.gov/taxpros/article/0,,id=159932,00.html)

 ;D They will throw your butt in the pokey for not filing taxes. It happens every year. They will not throw you in jail for not paying though... but will make your life miserable.

Clinton NEVER had a surplus--he had a projected surplus. Big big difference. It is like all the commissions they have had on reducing the debt. There have been 17 since 1982 and they have never reduced a single thing.

Here is the way the politicans do it. Any tax increase starts right now and lasts until the battle of armageddon. Any tax cut is way down the road. Most of the time they are in the next administration and never happen. On this last deal the spending increase starts immediately. The cuts are over 10 years. They will NEVER havppen. Anybody want some of that action?

That's some interesting facts; well put. Here's some of my personal family facts; in the 90's clinton's reign of terror, my brother filed bankruptcy, now during this b.o. reign of terror my sister's filed bankruptcy. I'm the last sibling left standing to a dutiful/lifelong democrat mother whose shame/embarassment to an elderly 83 little old lady is tough to take. I just hope the liberals get what's coming to them.

I cannot understand for the life of me how the hell B. O. got to be the head man of the US. in the first place my God can people not see what he was ?
How the hell can people elect a man that has done absolute noting,
as the Commander and Chief of the USA?  His Daddy is a Muslim , his mother is a Atheist . 
B.O. was taken back to Kenya and put in the same damn school that taught some of Bin Laden's people .  He was only in public office for what two three years and done noting noting noting !  He has never served in the Military any were so how the hell could people vote for this guy.   Can people not see he was noting more than a smooth talker a man of speeches and that is it !  How can you elect this man that has Muslim ties and his mother is a atheist and we are at war with the Muslim pricks and they even blew up the freaking Trade centers .  I just don't understand what the hell the US people were thinking !

Can I get a Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was chating with an IRS agent who arrests people for not paying taxes. I asked her how she was able to prove they had income and did not pay it. She said that they sit there on camera and being recorded going off on why they should not have to pay income tax. She said they say all kinds of stuff and it is handed over to the U.S. Attorney for a slam dunk conviction. She said they also watch boards, siminars, books, and other places for people bragging about not paying taxes. Then they go arrest them quitly. I call income tax a bribe or la mordida to stay out of jail. I think bribes are more legal than our IRS but I pay it anyway because I don't want to be correct and sitting in a prison.

u guys kill me.i never said i liked obama.just asked a simple question,just wanted a simple answer.wasnt looking for someone to tell me how uneducated i am or how i dont understand politics.but i see talking politics with u guys is worse than a hound vs cur or open vs silent.dont b so defensive.and i dont like obama and i didnt like bush either.i was really young when reagan was in office but have read alot about his policies and things that were put in place when he was in office,i think we  could use someone like him to help things rite now. hopefully we will get a better choice next time.p.s bush sr. was a way better pres than jr  imo.but what do i know.

i aint to worried, done had a run in with some office lookin man over my taxes