EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

   Its been interesting finally being able to put some of the pieces together on the background of these black cur dogs. The last 6 or so years Ive been fortunate to hunt behind this line of dogs, and even now luckily own a few up and comers from it. Not one of us can hardly take credit for any of this as it was the old men in the past, the true dogmen that set people like us up to reap the rewards. I hunt with Big E, and he was fortunate to get a litter of four black pups out of CB which was owned by Curtis Bennet of Woodruff’s ranch. From that litter he got his old strike dog Blaster who everything in the dogs we now currently hunt is from.  We always knew that CB who himself was a solid black dog, and a one of a kind type hogdog. We also knew that CB was out of Herschel Perry’s Dixie and the best dog at Woodruff’s ranch, a dog named Jasper. Many a people, and Lloyd Perry himself commented that Dixie was right up there with the best hog dogs he had ever seen, if not the BEST. From here we didn’t really know anything else. Dixie was black as the ace of spades…
   Recently I was put in touch with Mr. Lloyd Perry when Ty Angel dropped my current new black off. It was an awesome experience sitting there and listening to nothing but stories and stories about dogs! For those of you that don’t know or haven’t heard of Mr. Perry, you sure are missing out. The best thing is he has a book written that talks of his life experiences cowboying, dog training and hog Everything in quotes was pulled straight from teh book. Feel free to post any pictures or hunting for a living.. A Lasting Impression by Lloyd Perry, I seriously recommend this book to any and every person who enjoys dogs and hog hunting, and mainly just an old cowboy. In talking with him I was able to find out that Dixie was actually the result of an accidental breeding. Herschel owned a brindle gyp that was the result of a black perry dog. She got bred by an old blue dog that lived on the farm but never was used as a working dog, his name was Sugar… and in referencing his book, I was able to trace the black line back through to the 1950’s.



“When I was 25 I raised a blue gyp called ol Mitzy that made an outstanding dog. Three years later I bought  a young red hog dog  called ol’ Junior, and for the next  10 years I raised several litters of black puppies from these two dogs. In time, these black dogs became known as Perry dogs”

“in the late 1960’s I was blessed with a talented dog named Mitzy. She was a super cowdog, hog dog, and tree dog. We treed and trapped over a hundred coons one winter worth about $3000. With God’s help we treed  11 coons in one night”

“Ol Junior was the only rough dog that I ever stay on my yard and eat any of my gravy train. Junior was a red cur dog. In 1973, I bought him as a 2 year from Mr. Billy Williams. I was in my late twenties, doing day work as situations presented, but mostly living a true cowboy’s life, which Ive always done. Ol Junior would work cattle and was alright if you were catching something, but was way too tight to try and pen anything. You couldn’t push cattle over him and if anything fought at him, he’d hit it and rip out an ear. Ol Junior could by himself find and catch the biggest hog in the woods, I do believe.”

Dad’s ol Dogs

“In 1950 when we moved to Anderson, Dad had two dogs that he brought with him ol red and ol Lou Lou. But Dad left  an old, white-spotted dog he called buck there at the old Singleton house. Ol  buck are was one of the few that are called fine dogs. He’d go along ways in the direction you were riding and bay cattle. Ol buck had no control and was wild as a buck deer. My dad was hard of hearing and when ol buck bayed, I would tell him which ways or where abouts he was. If he figured this was his cattle we’d ride to him. If he figured they weren’t his cattle we’d ride on and In 30 minutes ol buck would figure dad wasn’t coming and would catch up. He’d just keep slowly loping in the direction we were going and do his thing. Buck was strictly a lead dog and never had been controlled by any man

My oldest brother RB was living at the Woods place when a part walker and part cur gyp showed up. Herschel married and moved to the Crawford place. He worked for Dad over a year. Ol Buck and walker/cur gyp stayed with Herschel. This gyp was a stock dog but awful  trashy(she’d run deer) Herschel raised some puppies from this gyp and Buck. The one he kept he named Big Boy.

Herschel moved to chapel hill and took a job managing a ranch. After being there a few years he took dad’s Ol lou lou gyp and raised some puppies from her and ol BigBoy. He kept 2 puppies. The dog he called Andy and the ol Blue gyp. They were both light, sand colored dogs. By and by Ol’ Blue became one of the best dogs that Id ever seen.

I worked a good bit for mr. J.C. Howard who had gotten a leopard dog from his brother in law who lived in Flynn, Texas. He called this dog King. This dog was a lot like ol Buck. He didn’t have any control and was a natural lead dog. Ol Blue was getting old and he let me raise some puppies from her and Ol King. We raised one puppy called Rena.

There weren’t many feral hogs throughout our country so I had to go hunting with other people like Buster Moore or VT Williams. VT had a dog called Rattler. I raised some puppiesout of ol Rattler and Rena. One was a blue colored gyp I called Blue. I was 17 years old , had me a rig (new truck, trailer, set of horses and three dogs) and was working at 2 sales barns and doing day work part time.

A feller in SHiro had sold out 500 head of cattle nd wanted his pastures cleaned out. Mr Jaspre Dixon day worked and had 3 pretty good dogs. I was hired to help Jasper pen this set of cattle. The first 2 days went pretty well with just the normal things happening.. These cross bred braham would flat try you. However the ones left were tough ones. They would single out, hide, lay down and the likes. The third day we worked all day and only managed to get a few cattle penned out of each pasture. This kind of cowboying went on for a week. Our dogs had their pads knocked off their feet and were give out. We had 45 head of cattle in a water trap and were fixing to pen and load these cattle. I noticed none of the 6 dogs really wanted to be cast, but were tiptoeing around real slow. When we got around these cattle and started to pen, all the dogs made an effort to go , but only two two remained in front of these cattle and it took us 30 minutes or so to get these cattle penned. Jasper had a wild, blue dog and my blue gyp were the only two working. We later raised pups from this union. Ol’ MITSY was the only one born”


feel free to comments if you have dogs out of this line. I know Boarninja, Ty, and Waylon are just a few them. Hoped yall enjoy this

Good read Tony! I enjoy reading about the history of these old timer's line of dogs.

Please describe these exceptional qualities... I'd like to know what a Perry dog is all about...

Mr. Ty sent me that book almost a yr ago(thankyou Mr. Ty), and I'm ashamed to say I got too tied up in life to finish it... but I mean to...  the old man sure e nuff seemed to be a character from what I read...

Ty, I'd like to hear your description of these dogs again if you have the time

Great post man. Its Perty cool when you get to meet some of the founders of the lines that you are passionate about.

It says a lot in the book Noah about what he considers exceptional. The ones I've seen are good, just seem to take to it naturally. Don't need to do much other than turn them loose. Ive seen some of these dogs do amazing things.. They start extremely young. They could be better, almost all ours bark some or ALOT on track. I've seen other people's hog dogs that were just as good or even better  and of different blood lines. Just in general most people I know, these dogs turn out to be there best. The ninja had a black dog that was the best 18 month old he'd ever seen that he picked up off Mr. Perry's lot as a puppy and later loss

But how would "just one" exceptional Perry dog hunt?  Paint me a picture of what they do.

Just a random story... my wife just brought me out that book... still on my bedstand from almost 1 year ago... (I know because she had left me at the time and I was in a baaaad place...)... anyways... the book was left open on a chapter called "Truth Hurts"... no wonder I stopped reading....  ;D

... Guess I'm gonna have ta finish it now and see how much I can learn about myself... HAHA...

can i ask where mr perry lives, we have alot of Perry family in texas and im always diggin around to find relatives

The book was awesome, I've read it twice! We stoped by Mr. Perry's last month and he is never short for words or a good story or two I've been able to hunt with him and a sure pleasure it is. being around him can put you back so far and wish you were around back in the old days! It wont be long and me and my ole buddy Ty Angel will have to make a trip and do a little hunting with perry Tony i love those dogs and have been able to hunt with that REAL old school blood and Hunt with a REAL dog man seems like everyone that has this blood sho has some humdingers!!!!!

please tell me where to find the book !

   is that the same bigboy that they crossed on the blondie dog that so many good lines came out of ?

The ones I've seen hit the ground running, nose down alot, sometimes winding.. Some make 500 yard loops, some just go until they find a hog. They run a track extremely fast and seem to want to run a track more than take bay. Good bottom, had 16 month old pups out of it run a boar hog 9 miles in the spring..

 Idk Noah, I'm not as skilled at judging a dog and putting in words as some of you guys so elequeantly put them. I just know I've caught a ton of hogs behind them and they make some darn good hogdogs lol

Jdt: pm Ty Angel on here. He regularly hunts with Mr. perry and would know to go about getting you or anyone else one. I thought the same thing when I read about Big boy, I honestly have no clue and was just going strictly on the book. I do know that Billy Bay was a good friend of Mr. Perry's as he is often mentioned in the book

"seem to want to run a track more than take a bay"

What does this mean?

Dogs sound WAAAY too rangy for me, but sound like awesome dogs for big property

Noah some are shorter ranged. I've seen more than one that seem to get disinterested at the bay and would rather leave and go find another hog. As soon as the hog breaks they are right back at it. 2 gyps in particular would just roll off and go find another hog if a few other dogs were bayed with them.

Wormy: yessir, I can't wait to make a trip back and hunt with him also! I agree, most of the ones I've seen were humdingers :)

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Great read Tony!

I have a few things to contribute to this post when I get time this evening but I like that pup! Ty and I believe that pups momma was a litter mate to that all star 18 month old of mine you refer too.
I hope your pup ends up as good as that one!!! He was special to me but more than likely a standard for the Perry's.

I will post up some pictures also.

Noah, the Perry dogs I have raise get it done in all country big or small. They just really shine in big country with few hogs. Colder noses with endless bottom and brains ain't for everyone but they are not an issue for me.

Where can i get me a copy of that book?

Where and who was Buster Moore???  Did he have cat dogs and from Cleaveland Tx by any chance, is he still living????  Did he have what kind of hog dogs???  Sounds familar but cant remember anymore alas??

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Yea I wanna copy of that book. Can you get it at any book store or order it online or what. Cast me in the direction of the book please

   Hey Tony, great post thanks.    Glad you like youre puppy
 
    hey guy's im close to Mr. Perry, i hunt alot with him ,these dogs are good and  i have several in my kennels
  dont take me wrong Im not putting down other peoples dogs.  i hunt dogs from Justin Hosea, Heath Witorik, Chris Foster and
     Joe Taylor and they are good in my book,   and all produce hogs for me, and i hunt hard.

    SCHitemhard - Mr. Perry lives in Singleton Tx

     knightstockterrier - Buster Moore lives in Crabbs Praire, north of Huntsville

     JDT and Slimhogdog   -  you can get this book from Mr. Perry   contact info - 1-936-395-0031

        This is a awesome book, in my opinion a must read for Hog Hunters
     Mr. Perry is a old Cowboy and a True Dog Man      JMO
                                                                                 Ty Angel  

That's crazy right there... I guess they're perty loose bayin' dogs?  Sound more like a hound dog

All these years telling people I didn't need any hound in my dogs, come to find out, I allready had it.

Big O: so is this the same Big Boy that Blondie was snuck into the ranch and bred to?

From what I get reading the part out of the book, the Big Boy Mr. Perry talked about was born in the 1950's. The Big Boy Ricky bred to was around '74 or '75. CWards uncle said there were two Big Boys, a junior and senior. I wish someone that knows Mr. Perry would ask him what he thought.

Ok I just got off the phone with Mr. Perry. It seems there will be a second book that is just now being published and will be out soon. His 2 daughters were the ones that took his stories and put them together on a computer for the editor and publishing company. Well when that happenedthe girls lost about 30 of the stories...

These 30 stories have since been recovered and with a good few more added to them. The editor on this 2nd book is much more involved and has made Mr. perry go back and write alot more and constantly asking him questions. If you read the first book alot of it is written as a journal would be. Short or incomplete sentences and so on. This 2nd book has been put together in a much more organized fashion and grammatical sense. Everyone thinks it's a much better improvement on the first in that sense.

Also in the 2nd book there is a dog pedigree tree going back as far as he can remember with owner names attached to each dog and so on. He told me it would be in in a few weeks. It's called A Diamond In the Rough ... Cowboying Around. It'll be carried in most book stores like Hastings and such as his first is or you can contact him and he will mail you a copy out. Can't wait for this 2nd book to get here. Together the 2 will provide a great bit of history to the working dogs around this area


Big O: I spoke with him about Big Boy and he knew the other dog in the 70's.. We got off subject before I could find out if it was out of the original or not

    yea Tony i cant waitfor the New book to come out

used to know mr. perry an his family.n e one have a number i could reach him at.

 :)

Ya Killin Me Man!! Somebody's gotta find out about the second Big Boy dog !!  :-\ ???  LOL

who is curtis bennet and who owned woodruff's ranch?louis woodruff the sherrif of san jacinto county?curtis bennet of oakhurst texas?

what they are my friend are old type fine dogs.they know their JOB when you get to the bay they roll out and find the next hog in the bunch i've been fortunate to have owned three''FINE DOGS''in thirty plus years of hog hunting.once you see one work you will never forget him.the best one i ever owned would not stop till you caught every hog in the bunch or  you lost him.

Now those three dogs... did they come out like that or did they turn into that after a PILE of work....?

they were natural's
all from the same dog stock.
just bred a line breeding with two first cousins raising three pups now with old blood.

Hi, I'm Lloyd's oldest daughter & I know that so many of you make up a part of my Dad's life and I want to say thank you. My sister & I have been years trying to pull him into this century, and have made some progress, ex. he has a phone! We're working on getting him a facebook account but he has found out he would be required to have a cellphone or computer, so we've been set back to square 1!
 In reply to the inquiry of Dad's location; he's just off of Hwy 90 in Singleton, TX; County Road 176. The 1st drive on your right will take you to the house. If you take the 2nd right  turn off of CR 176, you'll be @ his hog station (he's a hog buyer for some outfit, I've forgotten the name). Anyway, this area of TX is saturated with Perry's and as far as I know, their all kin! lol (if Dad doesn't know the Family Tree ties, go on down CR 176, around the 1st curve (by the cemetery) and straight on down the drive in front of you; this is his sister's home, she knows everything!lol & is my favorite aunt!)
 I haven't known Dad to not talk to anyone who was talking about hogs, dogs, horses, cattle, or Christ! Any other subject you're taking a chance! To the guy who put down the book, "A Lasting Impression, Cowboying Around", pick it back up. Dad has also been there and had that done to him. If it makes you feel differently about reading it, take the book to Dad and exchange it for another and have it signed! Ty, you won't have to wait much longer! We should be receiving copies of the new book, A Diamond in the Rough, soon, but they won't be available to the public sales until October/Novemeber. (Great gifts for you hard to buy people!) Thanks again for the quality each of you add to my Dad's life! L

Good luck bringing Mr. Perry into this century,...lol I live in Alabama and I've been reading some of this about your Dad and I plan on buying both his books. This is extremely interesting as well as entertaining to me. I sure do wish that I lived closer to y'all, it would be a genuine pleasure to stop by and talk dogs, hogs, horses and Christ with him. If my travels ever bring me through that country you can bet a stop at Mr. Perry's will be in the plan for me. You guys on here that can hunt and visit with such a gentleman are certainly blessed I say.

Thank you for helping your Dad put all this knowledge and wisdom in print for those of us that value such things, so we can share in his life and learn from all he has to share.

This is great stuff ordered the first book and I'll be on the lookout for the next one as well. I listened to my grandpa talk about the dogs of his youth when I was younger and never realized until later that not only was it interesting but you learn from each story. An old timer with knowledge and wisdom who is willing to share is priceless.

Just odered the book! Sounds like a good one. Can someone post some pictures of these Perry dogs?

Some of ours..
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Tony.....that is good to hear about a second book.  I have also used to trace my dogs back to the 50's using Lloyd's book but there are some gaps here and there.  I to have wondered about the bigboy talked about in the book and wether or not it was the same one I heard about here on the net being a big foundation BMC dog.  I talked to BigO about it before and we came to the same limited conclusion then as metioned previously in this thread.................the dates do not match up.  Maybe with more heads in the game we can figure somthing else out.

Someone asked for some photos so Ill post up what I have.....
I've hunted some with Mr. Lloyd Perry but mostly with his late brother Hershel Perry and his sons and grandsons.

Some pictures of Perry dogs and Hunts with the Perry family

Current dogs I hunt
Newt My new 8 month old pup from the Perrys.  AND the brindle is Parris an 8 year old Gyp I raised, tight bred by my dad out of Perry stock.
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Monk....Litermate to Paris
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Lana another littermate to Paris I raised but sold to Harry on the boards here...he goes by hogbusters I think.
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Rattle...Sire to above dogs. Bred by the Late Hershel Perry owned by my Dad.  Out of Loretta (a Dixie daughter)  and Flip a dog of Harry Kenney's.  14 or 15 years old still hunted occasionally seen more hogs than most hog hunters.  I've hunted with this dog since I was 10 years old.
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Here is a picture from a hunt on the Newton Ranch about 20 years ago with Hershel Perry, Hershel Perry Jr., and R. P. Wagner (the man who introduced my dad to the Perry's)  I'm the kid with the single shot 22.  If you look the black dogs are in the background in the truck.
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Jake....bred by Hershel Perry owned by his grandson.  Out of Lorretta and by the dog CB.  Sire to my new pup.  This dog just recently passed away.
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Some more dogs bred by Hershel that were owned by his son in law.
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Noah......you asked what is special about them.  Well here is my 2 cents on the subject.

First and foremost they are well bred stock dogs unique to this area of Texas.  They are a true old style cur dog in my opinion, They can be used equally as well on cattle or hogs, guard the house, Tree varmints, ect.  They have a stock working instinct that I find is lacking in allot of hog dogs even other cur dogs.  They just have the instinct and finess to work livestock putting enough pressure at the right times and not putting too much pressure at the wrong times.  As far as hog hunting traits go well Bottom comes to mind first. Most of them have more bottom than most people care for.  A very high working drive that comes natural..... they just need to be exposed and the rest is instinct.  Built for speed and the stamina to be worked hard all day and many days in a row with very little rest in between.  Longevity..... they will live and be huntable for a long time.  Hunting these dogs has made me come to expect a dog to be productive past 10 years.  Smarts.....something thats hard to put into words, but they just have a way of getting hogs found, getting them bayed, and not getting cut to chit in the process, and making it look easy at the same time.  

I would definately say Perry dogs are not like a hound.  There may be a hound or two the mix from days gone by, but if you ask me, they did a good job of breeding it out of them.    I would not call them cold nosed at all expecially when compared to hounds.  They dont mess with old stuff like a hound will but work fresh sign like a cur should. Now they very well might make big loops looking for fresh sign and take fresh sent a LONG way to locate a hog, but none of the ones Ive hunted behind ever worked what i would call cold scent.  The really good ones WILL make a hound look foolish though.   ;D.  I can say with certainty, and from personaly experience, that Hershel Perry Sr. did not like hounds, dogs with thick tails or bulldog heads, basically anything other than a cur.  But expecially hounds.  And If you brought one on a hunt he envited you on, he would let you know about it.  Ofcourse he did it in his own polite yet straight forward way.  A way that made you ashamed, and appreciative at the same time and also make you wonder to yourself why you would ever bring such a mongrel on a hunt.

They have a high tendancy to roll out.  In my opinion that is the stock breeding shining.  They know more hogs are in the area and have the instinct and desire the "gather them ALL up".  Much like a cow dog will roll off a bay to bring a break away back in.  My dad says Dixie could count... she knew how many hogs were in the bunch when she started it and would not quit untill they were all caught or dead.  Once on a hunt a the Newton Ranch...R. P. Wagner said F*** the hogs just catch that black dog (referring to Dixie).  They produce consistantly.  No line of dogs turns out super stars in every littler and not every pup from a litter will even make the grade. But in my experience they will produce a higher percentage that make good using dogs.  They are a pleasure to own and hunt behind.  They may no suit everybody but they certainly do suit me.

Waylon

Waylon, What about the barking on trail/ while running a hog?

I think that is something that us florida guys are skeptical about...

Dang those are good looking dogs! I'm a sucker for those brindles too!

I've never seen one that was open on trail before locating a hog.  Ive seen a few that were a little "mouthy" in a race or might open a time or two on hot scent...something like last nights bed or the like.  I sold the Lana gyp partly because she was a bit mouthy.  Barking on beds and often times she took too long to shut up after a hog broke bay.  

The general rule like most curs is they will be open when a hog breaks and during the first of the race but shut up after bit.  Some will keep barking if within sight of the hog, but if they loose him and have to track him back up they are silent.  Some of them quit barking within a few strides after the hog breaks.  I've seen the few "mouthy" exeptions and even owned one, but none of them were open trailers.  Also I cannot speak for anything other than the ones ive experienced.

Waylon  

Waylon great post and pictures. They look alot like I expected. I agree on everything you said about them, I wasn't characterizing all perry dogs as being mouthy, just trying to point out the few faults I see in the ones we hunt. As there being so many different branches of the tree from Perry dogs and ours being somewhat of an outcross to the Woodruff ranch dogs.

In talking to Lloyd he said that in breeding his dogs he wanted SPEED and hitting ability( grabbing hide)  while he said lots of most other old timers wanted  a more chuckleheaded, rough dog. It's evident that he achieved that speed in the way that Waylon's are built and in some of ours.

Noah I think Waylon did a much better job of describing the line, I was reluctant to try explain an exceptional Perry bred dog to you as I've only hunted with dogs out of Dixie. I didn't feel that my opinion would be sufficient to the line being that I've only had first hand experience with a small sample of the line

Waylon: I really think Dixie could count lol a few years back when Big E had a few more finished dogs out of the line that was usually me screaming to catch those freaking dogs and forget the hog! if we bayed a sounder with those gyps, 9 times out of 10 we would catch every hog in the group

In general the gyps that are produced in our branch of the perry line turn out to be the real stars

Waylon: you sold a gyp to a guy name Harry.. Would that have been boarbuster67 on here??

Tony.....yeah, its Harry that goes by boarbuster67 on here.  I sold him a gyp named Lana. As far as I know he still calls her that. She's a Little brindle gyp about 35 lbs in running shape.  He's said shes made a good dog for him.  She's a Loretta Granddaughter allong with my Paris gyp Monk dog that died recently.  Loretta was a dixie daughter and out of Harry Kenney's Flip dog.  That cross really made some super stars.......Loretta, Annie, Pie, Hank........

Most of the Perry dogs go back to Dixie or a Dixie daughter.  The ones yall hunt and the ones I hunt are most likely pretty close in blood just with some different outcrosses.  I see the same thing with the females out shining the males.  The males make perfectly good dogs but the gyps are usually the ones that make exceptional dogs.

I have some pictures of Dixie that I need to get scaned and post up.

Waylon

Yes please post the Dixie pictures.. I'd love to see her. Waylon, any of our male dogs are available to you if you are ever looking to get some puppy's, it may be something crossing these two Dixie lines back on themselves

Waylon was Pie owned by Jeff Sullivan? Or is that a different one? I used to have a little gyp ot of Pie and CB that was a bad lil gyp.

Bighogtexasstyle: sorry just saw your post. The woodruff ranch is on the Trinity river north of Huntsville.. It's still owned by the woodruff's.. Curtis Bennett has been working cows out there and hunting for a long time. I do believe he lives in Oakhurst still and owns an AC business. Some other people on here would be able to tell you more. I've never met Curtis, just his son

Thanks for the description Waylon, they look and sound like real nice dogs for big places... built a bit fine for my liking but they dang sure look fast!  Some of them almost look like they got some greyhound in em lol!

Tony.......I will post them up as soon as I get them scaned.  Thanks for the offer and I will keep that in mind.  Ive tried to breed my Paris gyp 3 times with no luck.  I plan to keep trying but I have doubts about her fertility and she's pretty narrow back there.  The one time she took, she delivered one dead pup.  I think it was too big for her birth canal.   Maybe we can get CWard convinced he needs to cross on some Perry dogs. ;D.  We need to get together and have a Perry dog hunt.

Marshall.......The Pie I am talking about Belonged to Hershel Perry till she was killed by a hog in the Brazos bottom near Chappel Hill.  He, or one of his sons had a daughter of her called Pie Baby, but I'm not sure what happened to that one.

Waylon

Waylon the gyp I'm talking about is prob no relation. She was a red a white spotted looking (piebald) gyp. Very unique. He had a ton of hunt. Curtis Bennet 1st taught me how to hog hunt out at Woodruffs and other places and Jeff would bring her. Is the young "Hershey" Hershel Perry's grandson?

i also have in the last six months bred a linebreeding of this dog stock and two males and a female i'm gonna start using in the winter.right now we have five curs of this lineage and three cur/dogo rcfd out of it. when i hear parker or tweety or winchester all good blood by their own rights but if you ever hunted with one of them black rascals that will roll out and find hog after hog after hog you know what i'm talking about.again no disrespect to the origins of the other dog stock mentioned just hard to beat that line of dogs.be they black ,tan ,saddleback,or brindle.

Bighogtexasstyle,

The Winchester dog was an old brindle cur that goes back to the Winfrey's dogs out of Coldspring... which I believe goes back the Woodruff's stock.

Waylon: sounds good to me! The hogs wouldn't be safe for miles on that hunt lol big e and cward have already made the cross sInce Chance's go back to Woodruff's stock also. 4 of the girlfriend/Ike pups just made it to a year old and the 3 Eric owns will flat go, they'll all strike their own hogs and have tons of bottom. I've been hunting his 3 and my 2 all summer catching hogs with them.. Last I talked to Chance he was really liking his pup too

BigHogTexasstyle: they speak of that Dun dog in the first book and crossing a gyp to him. You can look back and there is a link to a bookstore to order first book online or you can get Mr. Perry to send it to you. The 2nd book will be out this winter

Marshall: pretty sure lil Hershey was his grandson, ironically now he's the dog trainer out at good ol "Walton Ranch" (boob's voice) lol

Is that Walton Ranch just south of Millican?

Yessir Chris! Ive guided bird hunts out there for about the last 6 years, full time when I wAs going to ATM, I just help out on occasional busy weekends or when I jar a lot of free time now. Quail, pheasant and chuckar hunts available. Jodi has about 20-30 very well bred English Pointers that are ranch dogs that us guides will use. It's a very well run place

Interesting... I've got a pretty healthy chunk of that country to hunt. The farmer says it's close to 20k acres in the bottom, between his place and the neighbors.  There is one small place he has that buts up to the Walton Ranch, and we've always been afraid to turn out, on the chance that our dogs crossed into the Walton Ranch.  We might need to get together and hunt that country this fall.  I'll PM you the details of the places out there that we hunt. I am sure you will know of them.

Nice Chris! I don't see it being a problem.. We see 20-30 hogs everytime your there lol Jodi runs a bunch of cattle and doesn't allow any hunting deer or running hogs but I don't forsee it being a problem if they happen to end up in there. He used to hog hunt back in his day and is always talking to me about it. Ill call him and speak to him directly if we ever get it lined out

i see so alot of dogs are showing this stock i appreciate you letting me know this,

Yes

Anyone who is intersted in the book.  They have it at Producers COOP in Bryan.  I've also heard they had it at the feed store in Anderson but I can't vouch for that.

Tony....Is that Walton Ranch on the River?

Chris.......Is any of the ground you hunt over there North of Allen Farm road?  If you get to much north of that where the crop land plays out, watch out its easy to get onto the McFarland place.  They dont let anyone hunt there and its a sanctuary for sure.  There is definately no welcome sign and its been that way for 15 years or more.  If you make a hunt down there and loose a dog on the other side of the river, Burleson County, call me.  I can get acess to just about all that ground from the Yegua creek North.

Waylon

Waylon,

   Most everything is south of Allen Farm Road. West of 159, then another property off of White Switch Road. I don't hunt out there often. This year they planted more cotton than corn, and didn't see any hog sign until just a few weeks ago. I think the farmer said there was 14k acres of cotton planted this year, and only a couple thousand of corn. The balance is pasture land and sod.  Should be planting wheat before too long, so maybe we'll have some hogs hitting it in the cool weather.

I plan to load up my ponies and do some more hunting this fall and winter. Maybe you and Tony can bring out some Perry dogs. I'd like to see them hunt.

No Waylon it is not on the river. Their west border towards the river is a railroad.. But it's not far from the river. Sounds good Chris

Chris.....Ok....some of that country is owned by the King Ranch.  I know they have a sod farm down there.  Just let me know when I'll try to make it its only 15-20 minutes from my house.

Tony.....Are there any old rock quaries on that place?  We used to hunt a place with Hershel East of 159 that had some.  But it Might be further south than what you are talking about, its were the river comes in close to 159 and the RR. 

Waylon

;)

Waylon: I wouldnt say that there are numerous rock quarries but there are a few spots that do look to have been mined. I'm sure its the same area and most likely the same place as Jodi often speaks of Herschel used to run dogs on all that country

       Tony , i havent been on here in a several days , but i read every post and i'm glad you started it
          i have been talking with him and he is doing good,   

     knowing Mr. Perry like i do he is a true dog man and im  blessed to get to hunt w/ him

Alright! I was contacted by Ty. Who in turn had been contcated by Mr. Perry's son. He couldnt quite figure out the ETHD website so they wanted me to post it for them. It seems that the first 60 ciopies of Mr. Perry's second book are available. Yo can contact Mr. Perry directly, email his son for copies or if you know me and want to, you can PM and I will pick up copies for other people when I pick up mine from Mr. Perry. Thanks again to everyone thats commented or had an interest in these dogs and books. Take care everyone


From Mr. Perry's son:
"Ok guys! It's takin me 1 hour & 13 minutes to figure out how to post on here via this "smart phone"! Lol! But that is not what I have to say; I just hope I got this in the correct topic & with the group that has been discussing the Perry dogs & Lloyd Perry's books!

We have received our shipments of the new book, "A Diamond in the Rough"! I have 19, my sister has 19, & my dad should be receiving his 20, if he hasn't already, but he hasn't came in yet for me to get a call through. (His "Rat" dog took a good cut and nearly got her head took off Friday, his "Ike" pup got cut too but I don't know how bad, evidently not life threatening since he didn't get taken to the vet) Anyways, I'm not sure if or when we will get anymore of the 2nd book so let 1 of us know & we'll work out some way of getting it to you. I prefer email; dad prefers a call or show up on his doorstep (I'd call & reserve the book 1st & make sure he'll be there) & if I run out I can sell out of my sisters stash. The books are $22 a piece plus shipping.  Thanx! L "

Lynn Hackworth
lhackworth@eosc.edu


LLoyd Perry
936.395.0031

I ordred the first book and started it monday. Fist book I have picked up in years and will be the first book I finish since 7th grade haha. Also the only book I have ever baught by choice. I highly recomend his first book. I have been reading nights mon-thur this week and am on page 157 and would consider myself a slow reader.

Now, I am interested in gettin the socond book. And maybe finding me a little Perry pup to try out if anyone could put me in touch with where I could get one.

loyd perry is my uncle i guess thats why i like to hunt so much. I didnt know loyd was my uncle until i  went to sell hogs to him and we started talking and come to find out a lot about each other.. He has some dam good dogs they will leave the country  i bein tryin to get my hands on some of those black cur dog pups it will happien one day ;)..

Tony....I'm gonna credit you with popularizing "black Perry dogs".  You have just might have caused Dixie or CB to be "the next weathorfords Ben".  They'll be pups for sale all over with headlines saying........ Come get one while they last... they are CB dogs on top and bottom. ;D When they get watered down and go the way of the yellow BMCs I'll know who to blame. ;)

Waylon

" When they get watered down and go the way of the yellow BMCs I'll know who to blame. "    >:D

don't you mean the way of the catahoula, I'd say that would be a more fair statement  :angel:

Waylon: haha you're not pinning that on me. Mr. Perry has been selling his dogs for a long time. Someone asked Lloyd one time why he would sell such a good dog!? He calmy replied " no-one pays money for a sorry one"

I was just bringing to light his books and a little dog history to all our fellow hog doggers.

I spent hours upon hours catching hogs, waiting on dogs and many a miles to finally EARN the ones I got. I definitely won't ever be exploiting mine for the sake of money

Don't forget to post the pictures of Dixie if you get a chance Waylon!!!!

Tony,
I sure have enjoyed this thread and appreciate what I have read here. 

Waylon, I couldn't have put it better myself about the Perry dogs. The only thing I would add about them with the ones I've owned and know are that they can be colder nosed and unbelievably heat tolerant. I have owned some great dogs out of a different line but non seemed to be consistently heat tolerant as the few Perry dogs I have raised and know.
 
That 12 year old, one eyed dog is still finding and baying hogs for my son. He made several hunts with that grouchy old fart just this summer and bayed hogs with him. If there is a big boar around he will step over a half mile of shoalts and sows to bay him. Never showed him a hog in a pen until he was almost 7 years old and when I did, it was just to see what he would do. Not a tight baying dog at all but caught out after a few barks like a true woods dog. Haha
My son and I put a many a hog on the ground with that old dog all by himself over the years and is already listed as one of the great ones in my book even though Lloyd or his brother that bred him ( Hershel Perry ) would have probably culled him. Heck, Loyd would have culled him for just having a set of testicles! That's a fact.

Tony,I agree with you about other lines and dogs having the same qualities or even better in some ways. I think what makes this line of dogs special to me is all the many years of breeding behind them. The Perry's and the folks they crossed their dogs with made and still make their livings off of these dogs. The standard and time behind the breeding selection over that many years speaks for itself in the dogs I have seen.
I think you could cross em with a ShihTzu and still get a decent hog or cow dog out of em!

  

Ok you guys have had me reading way to much. Crap im a slow reader. All good info.
Noah all I will say about these Perry/Woodruff dogs is these dogs were hunted in palmeto country and you could tie an easy 20 a day with these dogs and people screaming GET YOUR HANDS ON THEM DOGS I'M TIERED OF CATCHING HOGS. I herd that when I was younger from people on them hunts and did not understand stand . Then when i got older and I had people tell me to catch my dogs they were tiered of catching hogs I knew I had the right gentics.  ;D I will try and get some of them old pictures from my uncle of the Woodruff dogs. ,

HAHA, I agree... when everybody is more worried about catchin' dogs than hogs... you on the right track!!!!   I am interested to hear the relation of your dogs to the Perry's Chance

To quote the late R. P. Wagner..................."F the hogs just catch that black dog"

Waylon

Would that be a Wagner from the Wagner Ranch near Electra, TX?

v
Noah my dogs were Woodruff dogs. Lots of blacks, saddle backs, and dark colors. Not  sure they breed dogs together but they all knew the same people real well and the dogs matched. My uncle breed dogs with Woodruff and out crossed Billy hutto dogs. That is were the yellow came in. But the dogs work the same.

Noah when tShelley talks about them dogs leaving to go find another what he means is how much brain they have it is amazing to watch them do it. They just know they are supposed to get it done. I really think that it comes from the cow dog in them. They know theres more to get bunched. I told my uncle one time people don't believe me when I say it. He said its cause they ain't never seen it.
I have seen plenty of good hog dogs in this world but only a few that would do what tshelly is talking about. They were all breed the same way.

No, he was from out west of Brenham.

Waylon

I ain't never seen it and don't believe you, care to put a chicken fried steak from cowboy cafe on it? ;)

I tell you what tgirl I will put a bowl of fried rats on it. Oh you already owe me how fast did they roll on the first time you hunted with me. But for the slow learners I will show you again. ;D

Haha yeah alot of people wouldn't believe it chance.. We started figuring it out when we got to hunt with a garmin and when I started tryIng to take pics. They'd start and bay hogs but I'd be there taking pictures and we'd notice they'd already left because we couldn't ever find them in on any of the bay pics. Started paying attention to it and sure enough, sometimes they'd wait til we showed. Sometimes all it took was the sound of a 4 wheeler pulling up and they'd roll off as long as there was a few other dogs there.

Those two happened to be Girlfriend and her littermate Parvo(rip)

We slow learners have short attention spans, but you're right, they did roll pretty quick for a bunch ctard dogs :D enough thread jacking though, well just start a new thread after the rat killing roll fest.

hey cward Terry likes to go by t-back these days, he gets agree about the tgirl stuff  :D :D

Figured I'd bring this back to the top so some of the new people could check the first book mr. Perry wrote

we're gonna be in houston at the doctor for 3 weeks , i'm making a list of people i want to meet while we are there . mr. perry is close to the top .

I'm going to make it a point to get by there and meet Lloyd myself,I have had some decent yellow dogs over the years, hunted with some good hounds, seen a couple Parker curs impress the heck out of me might of seen one pretty good spotted dog. But these lil racey built black dogs were just in my honest opinon some the best hog dogs I've seen, please no one take offense especially the spotted dog people. But the one I did see was the Lou Gyp from from Lloyd Perry she was a kind of blue leopard.Best dog I ever owned to this date was yellow dog name Buck I couldn't wait to hunt him with Herschel,gonna impress him, ha ha. I don't think they even knew he was there, and Ol Buck had a good day. Ha ha Just some good dogs and even better men

ok yall convinced me were can i get a couple pups to try.

If they was handing them out like Halloween candy, they'd be just as watered down and worthless as most of the mega name strands.

i agree with you t-bob those kind of dogs are hard to get i was asking the question as more of a joke than anything else. but would like to hunt behind some dogs with that kind of style.

    Great Post Tony,   

        tushhog 84 - Call Mr. Perry he will take ya on a hunt to
   Show them Dogs he has ready to go
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After a whole lot of texts from my partner, very extensive reading, a 45min phone call to Mr. Perry, the birth of my newest litter of pups and only 4 hours of sleep, all last night... I am excited for what the future holds on my yard. There are some familiar dog names mentioned in here, and a lot of black on my yard.