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Title: Wondering out loud. Post by: BobbyB on August 23, 2011, 08:42:10 pm I started with a new company about 3 weeks ago and right now I am running a dozer backfilling slush pits about an hour outside of Encinal. That is te start of all this. All day, with ear plugs, dust mask and goggles ( they could have bought a cabbed dozer just as easy ) back and forth in talcum powder dust , my hands and feet working and so is my wondering mind. And it wonders thru every topic imaginable.
But the last couple of days I have been wondering about this. By the end of September, I will have 3 and probably 4 BMC pups all within a few weeks of being the same age. And also in the mix will be a Plott the same age. I am going to raise them all together, work them all together, do every thing together. The wondering part is, will this help the Plott be closed mouth, or will she cause the BMCs to be open? I know there is no way to know what will happen, but hours a day causes a mind to ponder strange things. ;) I know with kids, they tend to follow the majority in how they act and talk. With pups, who knows? Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: ETHHunters on August 23, 2011, 08:45:56 pm My opinion is it wont have any effect on the pups. We have been running our pups with a buddies plotts and his pups are open and ours are not. I think it has more to do with each individual dog. I don't buy into the open dogs making a silent dog be open and vice versa.
Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: Mike on August 23, 2011, 08:54:09 pm My opinion is it wont have any effect on the pups. We have been running our pups with a buddies plotts and his pups are open and ours are not. I think it has more to do with each individual dog. I don't buy into the open dogs making a silent dog be open and vice versa. ... X2 Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: BobbyB on August 23, 2011, 08:54:57 pm My opinion is it wont have any effect on the pups. We have been running our pups with a buddies plotts and his pups are open and ours are not. I think it has more to do with each individual dog. I don't buy into the open dogs making a silent dog be open and vice versa. I have been told by a couple of guys that run hounds or hound crosses that being raised with and running with silent dogs can have an affect. If they dont hear a dog opening, they dont seem as inclined to oipen themselves. But again, there is really no way of knowing . And it still dont keep me from wondering. ;D Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: Reuben on August 23, 2011, 08:56:42 pm My opinion is it wont have any effect on the pups. We have been running our pups with a buddies plotts and his pups are open and ours are not. I think it has more to do with each individual dog. I don't buy into the open dogs making a silent dog be open and vice versa. ... X2 x3 Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: BobbyB on August 23, 2011, 09:00:25 pm Talkative bunch aint yall ? :D Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: Mike on August 23, 2011, 09:02:12 pm Talkative bunch aint yall ? :D Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: DangerZone on August 23, 2011, 09:10:13 pm My guess and it's just a guess...... Is they will all follow the lead of the alpha dog some what..
If the plott is alpha then it might lead to some of the BMC's being semiopen.... And visa-versa. The plott may end up semiclosed. Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: firemedic on August 23, 2011, 09:13:46 pm My opinion is it wont have any effect on the pups. We have been running our pups with a buddies plotts and his pups are open and ours are not. I think it has more to do with each individual dog. I don't buy into the open dogs making a silent dog be open and vice versa. X3 or 4 or whatever it is. :D Been hunting silent cur dogs with open hounds for a few years now, no change in either.Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: chainrated on August 23, 2011, 09:14:08 pm Talkative bunch aint yall ? :D 3x4 Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: waylon-N.E. OK on August 23, 2011, 09:48:08 pm Bobby I ran a Catahoula dog with hounds from a real early age, he opened on track every time and was the only one of his litter that was open and none of his pups were ever open. I have to believe that it had some thing to do with it, every one says it doesn't work that way but I think it might in rare cases.
Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: treeingratterrier on August 23, 2011, 10:37:30 pm I started with a new company about 3 weeks ago and right now I am running a dozer backfilling slush pits about an hour outside of Encinal. That is te start of all this. All day, with ear plugs, dust mask and goggles ( they could have bought a cabbed dozer just as easy ) back and forth in talcum powder dust , my hands and feet working and so is my wondering mind. And it wonders thru every topic imaginable. But the last couple of days I have been wondering about this. By the end of September, I will have 3 and probably 4 BMC pups all within a few weeks of being the same age. And also in the mix will be a Plott the same age. I am going to raise them all together, work them all together, do every thing together. The wondering part is, will this help the Plott be closed mouth, or will she cause the BMCs to be open? I know there is no way to know what will happen, but hours a day causes a mind to ponder strange things. ;) It might if she is really gives tons of mouth and is the lead strike dog of the pack, but its 50 50 or less, the black mouth curs i saw open more were usually younger started or about to be started curs that were put in a pack where there was a extremly excitable and mouthly running walker hound, the young curs could not smell the track the walker had and were giving lots of mouth trying to keep up with the walker strike dog, not been around many plotss but i dont think they tend to be as open, when i used to hunt down there with javilina dogs nobody in his right mind would use any silent dogs due to the big ranches and javalinas running into culverts, caves or dead trees anywayslol Now all the feral hogs are russian runners trained by all of the hog doggers to blast off if they hear a polaris or dog chain unsnap or a tailgate barklol What kind of dozer are you running?? We used todo lots of roller chopping with d8 cats down there at one time, all blower fans, cactus spines in your nose and neck, 2 5 gallons cans of water on the dozer deck to wash with and jump in the cattle water trough if you could find one with water by work, all the old dozers had direct drive too and tons more shifting and switching out manual angle blades cutting senderos all day, those were glory days for me as we got to take cat dogs to dozer camp and hunt at night, see any bobcats down there and how many snakes a day??? Good luck!!!! Watch out for bees and pipelines!!!! That will be a great pack all rasied together and hunted together from the git go!!!! I know with kids, they tend to follow the majority in how they act and talk. With pups, who knows? Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: tnhillbilly on August 23, 2011, 11:21:09 pm I have started many hounds by themselves that have opened on track without ever having been shown by an older dog. Its in their blood, and what they were bred to do. But doesn't mean they all will.
Same as curs being silent. Starting a pup of any breed too young, alot of times will cause them to babble out of frustration and/or excitement because they cant keep up with the big dogs. Some grow out of it some dont. Alot of it depends on the individual dog. I have seen a couple open mouthed dogs "learn" to run silent too. good luck with your pups Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: SCHitemHard on August 23, 2011, 11:22:28 pm Talkative bunch aint yall ? :D 3x4 12? huh? i had a bmc rcd that would open on track if he was around a buddies hound but wouldnt open if he was alone or with another one of my rcds, always thought that was wierd Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: Cutter Bay Kennels on August 24, 2011, 07:06:17 am My opinion is it wont have any effect on the pups. We have been running our pups with a buddies plotts and his pups are open and ours are not. I think it has more to do with each individual dog. I don't buy into the open dogs making a silent dog be open and vice versa. Good reply. I am with you. ;D Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: coyote hunter on August 24, 2011, 01:53:47 pm We ran a redbone with our silent dogs he seemed to be closemouthed after some time but i dont know
Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: arrowbar on August 25, 2011, 03:58:29 pm the ones out this particular cross that I have sent to those that only hog hunted have reported silent to almost silent dogs, with a variation on how "catchy" they are, they have also noted they like the baying voice that they add to their packs. This is one of the many reasons I think that plotts are pretty versatile, the fact that they can adapt to the hunting style needed, with other big game they open as the track warms up and are full throttle when they can see the game. My wondering out loud thought is will she be catchy with your catchy dogs or just continue to bay?
Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: Reuben on August 25, 2011, 04:07:39 pm the ones out this particular cross that I have sent to those that only hog hunted have reported silent to almost silent dogs, with a variation on how "catchy" they are, they have also noted they like the baying voice that they add to their packs. This is one of the many reasons I think that plotts are pretty versatile, the fact that they can adapt to the hunting style needed, with other big game they open as the track warms up and are full throttle when they can see the game. My wondering out loud thought is will she be catchy with your catchy dogs or just continue to bay? catchy dogs, open dogs and silent dogs are not trained to be that way. It is genetics... Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: BobbyB on August 25, 2011, 08:05:05 pm the ones out this particular cross that I have sent to those that only hog hunted have reported silent to almost silent dogs, with a variation on how "catchy" they are, they have also noted they like the baying voice that they add to their packs. This is one of the many reasons I think that plotts are pretty versatile, the fact that they can adapt to the hunting style needed, with other big game they open as the track warms up and are full throttle when they can see the game. My wondering out loud thought is will she be catchy with your catchy dogs or just continue to bay? catchy dogs, open dogs and silent dogs are not trained to be that way. It is genetics... Stephen, I am guessing in about a year, we will have some answers to our wonderings. Rueben, I believe that genetics plays about 99.8% in how a dog turns out. But I still have to believe that outside influence can have an affect on the eventual outcome. Maybe not much and maybe not with all dogs, but it happens. Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: Reuben on August 25, 2011, 08:30:38 pm Bobby, I agree that the environment and socilizing/training has a lot to do with bringing out the best in any dog...
Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: Noah on August 25, 2011, 08:37:56 pm I have started many hounds by themselves that have opened on track without ever having been shown by an older dog. Its in their blood, and what they were bred to do. But doesn't mean they all will. Same as curs being silent. Starting a pup of any breed too young, alot of times will cause them to babble out of frustration and/or excitement because they cant keep up with the big dogs. Some grow out of it some dont. Alot of it depends on the individual dog. I have seen a couple open mouthed dogs "learn" to run silent too. good luck with your pups Bingo... Title: Re: Wondering out loud. Post by: arrowbar on August 25, 2011, 08:58:35 pm I mixed the four best plott lines I could find when I crossed these dogs, I blended fox/cat dogs for thier intelligence, cold trailing abilities and I mixed hog and bear dogs for grit, and desire as well as the ability to shut up on a track until they see it... I believe that this has produced a really good mix of genes to catch a variety of game on different terrains. Well the genes are their, I think it takes environmental element to get the gene expressed such as running open with open and tight mouthed with tight mouthed dogs especially in a breed like the plotts that are used for hunting different types of game that have different requirements.
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