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came home today after a 13 hour day and found that my wifes pit broke his chain and tried to eat my reg.catahoula male...... after catching him and putting him in a pen I spent the next two hours doctoring my dog. I would have ended the promblem but it would cost me a divorce I thought. after she came home and saw what happen she told me to do what I had to with him but by then I had cooled off . But if he so much as makes a mean look he is GONE.
I have 9 other dogs tied out and he didnt bother them.

Conquer or be conquered. It's a dog eat dog world. I know that didnt help, but they both apply. I'm of the opinion that there are no second chances with that stuff. You were lucky to find them in the middle of it this time.  Will you be so lucky next time?  If you value your animals, get rid of your wife's dog tonight. Do not hesitate on this. If you do, you will kick yourself forever over it.

if that was my pit he wouldnt have been put into that kennel

shoot shovel and shut up and say he ran away ;)

I have to agree bud  get rid of him or put him in a high security prison   if it was me  bye bye pitbull 

she ask me not to do anything to him while she was home, so He will be going else where.. I have him in kennel lock down until then.
I am not taking any chances I have a three year old grandson.

Hope you cat heals up. Everyone is different on a deal like that. Do what you want but try to do whatever you can to make sure it doesn't happen again.

So blame the dog for equipment failure?  Are you sure he started it and not the cat? I have seen a few times were it a bulldog got loose and the cur dog was actually the one yo instigate the fight but just ends up on the loosing end most times..?.....just my thoughts.

X2 u don't really know if the cat or pit started it! For all u know he was just walking around saying hi to all the dogs and the cat got territorial. But if it was the pit for sure then do what u gotta do just make dang sure your gonna make the right decision! Like underdog just my thoughts

Hello Rowdy, sorry to hear about the incident, but knowing that was probably the 5mo. old pup out of my bloodlines, i can tell you he didn't start it, but would not back down either. His grandsire had a similar incident with a pit, only he was grown, he was protecting his master when the pit broke chain, cleared a fence, came for him and his owner. Needless to say how it turned out 'cause your pup is a decendant. Also his master at that moment was a young married lady, only out for some excercise walk/jog on public streets. The lady sent me this story, along with another one where he protected her 2yr.and 4yr. old sons from a snake, while he was less than six mos. 'bout like your pup.

well thinkin outside the box im not sayin to give him a chance but i would kennel them up next to each other and see who starts what

underdog brings up a good point

If u have to vet rid of it bummer I had the same incident only my cat destroyed My pit the cat was bred an got to hot an died but I almost had to put th pit down cause she was so tore up still to this day got the pit she's fine has one Lil scar an she's a pretty well mannered dog but what ever u do is u business but in all reality it's alot easier findin a decent pit than it is a cat with good bloodlines jmo


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Sorry to hear that Rowdy, but u already know how I feel about the out bloodlines here in Mo.
There bred to protect or fight. He is a very goodlookin dog and although he has been a loyal dog, its drolly just gonna get
worse.If it where me he would already be done because the thought of your grandson accidentally being
in the middle of them would be more than I could handle. Not sayin he would hurt your grandson on
purpose, but I know he loves being around those dogs and if he got caught in the middle of a fight it would
be tragic. I know how much you love that boy and that he's the most important factor in this scenario.
Just my opinion.

X2 even if the cat wasn't the pup i mentioned before, 'cause i know how your grandson took to that pup, and how that pup would fight to protect your grandson.

she ask me not to do anything to him while she was home, so He will be going else where.. I have him in kennel lock down until then. I am not taking any chances I have a three year old grandson.
So what does you having a three year old grandson have to do with this situation? Wait, let me guess. He is a pitbull that got into a fight with another dog so you assume he will also jump on your grandson, I mean being a pitbull and all.
To me, it don't matter who started it. My dogs act totally different on the yard defending their territory than they do when it is time to hunt. You can't blame a "broken" chain for the accident. More than likely what happened is that the chain was worn thin of the bull snap came apart. Both of those issues go back to whoever is supposed to take care of the dogs not checking the equipment like they should.

I am with Underdog on this one...The cause is equipment failure. I own a game bred apbt and I am raising him to get along with my other dogs and all is well. They are friendly with each other so I am pretty relaxed about letting them run together. I also know what a pitbull is capable of so I am always around and watch for any behavior that can cause a problem and nip it in the bud. A lot of the times he is not the instigator but a pit can finish what starts...

I also keep my pitbull in his own kennel and have the latch as primary door lock but also have a dog snap so it can not open.


The root cause is failure to evaluate the condition of the chain and make repairs as needed...

just let that be a learning experience. Believe me I have made those mistakes before but I will keep a pit as long as I feel I need one... Just learning as I go...

I wouldn't get rid of the dog until I gave them a chance to get along...if it this incident is the cause of a rivalry then you might have to get rid of one...

I can't beleive what i'm reading/hearing on here about standing up for animal/dog rights vs. human/child rights...that sounds like alot of liberal PETA  b.s. crap.  I really like how others are so willing to risk someone else's offspring grandchild for the sake of a dog, really folks think before you speak.

Wilton,

I definitely am against PETA...I do think that you misunderstood me but I can see that I didn't make myself clear.

I am under the impression that the pit bull had an issue with the catahoula. I did not see it as a dog with human aggression problems...Any dog that shows human aggression problems of any kind should be dealt with accordingly especially a pitbull. I say especially a pit bull because once they fire up they tend to stay with it...Even though I do my best to raise my pit bull right he is under close supervision.

ZERO tolerence for any pitbull around my house period 

i would rather err on the side that puts my family and cur dogs safe. i will not tolerate dog/human aggression in a bulldog, i see it and the dog goes for a walk with a pistol. there was equipment failure, but for me, i dont want an animal at my place where if there is "equipment failure" all hell breaks loose.  

how long have u owned the pit? u should know ur dogs inside and out. it is up to us as breeders and hunters to fully realize what kinda dog we have on the yard. if i walked up to u said a cross word and u slugged me in the mouth and we got into tussle, are u more prone to being dangerous to ur grand child or am i? it seems simple to me u were`nt there u dnt knw how it happened other then the fact one was a ur APBT assuming it was a straight well bred APBT. dogs are more like ppl then we give them credit for, u know if u disrespect me its gonna be on like donkey kong. if the dog showed human agression i say do what u have to, but the did`nt show any the way u talk. so 2 dogs got in a fight that u did`nt see so ur gonna down one and not the other because of breed right?

so why not zero tolerance for any dog on dog agression?

X2 Ed Barnes... well said, and Mr. Rueben i was not directing towards you personally, i was typing in while you were at the same time, i can see your point about the equipment failure, but also agree with Mr. Barnes statement. I know i'm biased in this situation since meeting Rowdy and his grandson personally when trading pups and know how the boy interacts with dog. Just don't believe in taking chances with a helpless child, dogs are cheap that one can be much more easily replaced than the child, breaking chains or whatever.

for me its because of the potential of bull dogs. ive got a houla that can show dog agression sometimes, but its a lot of bark an raised hair  an not much bite

That is just an assinine statement....when did he say the dog had trouble with a kid? any dog that will bite a kid must go period and that I agree with, I think because the cat possibly came from yuou that you are biased on the side of the cat , ??? maybe huh? hell I have cur dogs that will tangle if they get loose and run the yard and will start a fight with chained bull dogs,.  alot of these cur dogs are teritorial hell you are proud to tell how yours defend this or that so again the cat may very well have started the trouble and if the chain were not to have broke there would never had been a problem. Besides that kids dont belong in a dog yard or yard full of chained dogs un supervised to begin with imo

i have seen my dogs stretch a hog as a pack a pair or by there sleves, im not gonna sugar coat it or dilute when i say any dog poses a threat to man if not well socialized. i know all my dogs are at there most intense moments when on a hog. when that bull dog is caught on a hog do u think his mind is worken any different, opposed to if it where another dog? all he knows is hold untill the ride is over!!!

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Hell, i have cur dogs that would fight with each other if they got off their chain in the yard. My AB has some kind of beef with my old BMC and they tie up any chance they get at the house. but you can load them in the truck together and go hunting and not a growl.

This does not sound like it has a thing to do with human aggression. I wouldnt judge how the dog will react to a 3 yr old by this incident for sure. But then i wouldnt let my 3 yr old run around my dogs unattended either. I have investigated 250+ dog bites a year for the last 11 yrs and pits aint the problem. people are the problem. they dont recognize the signs of human aggression before it escalates to a bite situation. Im no bunny hugger, I dont think a dog should ever bite a person (not including dogs trained to do so like police dogs) but people need to recognize the signs early on and nip it in the bud.

I personally wouldnt cull a dog for fighting on the yard. fighting in the woods.....culled a few for that!!

for one most pits once they get in a good fight then the light has turned on and most times its impossible to turn the light off thats what they were bred for. too many good dogs around to give it a second chance in my opinion the next time it could be alot worse or could be with a kid i have 3 under 12 years old and i will not take a chance.

I admitted i'm biased, but i would rather be biased for a child than a dog with aggression

how many of yall grew with a dog ur whole life? dog fights are gonna happen, my best running buddy was and still is a APBT. grown up i seen many a dog scuffles, pulled them part chase a stray off and went right back to playen with my pit! dad come ask me what happen to spike told him the deal, and all was good! i promise u if my dad ever had of thought that dog was a threat to me, he would`nt have made it for 14 years. i understand the take no chances alot of yall have, i really do. i just think yall shold looke at a wider picture.

So what if your pup started it??? Maybe he should be culled if so then huh ??? He may bite that kid.....

i hear what you are saying big chris i had a female pit that you could trust around any kid any age but i knew that dog and she never showed any aggresion toward anything but a pig. all iam saying is that in my opinion there are to many good dogs to have to deal with a pit that shows aggresion towards another dog and as far as another kind of dog i will not tolerate that either just the way i was raised but it is easier to convence a cur dog that you will not tolerate that than a pitbull in my opinion. i hate breaking up a dog fight the last one i broke up i got bit on the hand and it hurt like hell so i would just rather try to avoid that situation again. pits around here are a dime a dozen and there are some good ones 

What I don't understand is why everytime some tries to vent about something that upset them someone has to turn it into a damn fight! Are we all just 5 graders or what its the mans dog he can do with it as he pleases and its not for us to say what's right or wrong cause its not our property! So do what u have to and I'm sorry to hear about this situation!

i dont see a fight, i see a discussion

 I was wondering if you have any females on your yard? Our dogs get along great....unless a female on the yard is in heat, or coming into heat. When this happens, I don't consider it dog aggression. I consider it mother nature because after she isn't in heat any more, all the males go back to being friendly with one another.

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X3... if you don't want to talk about it, don't post it on a public forum.

I have a nine year old that has been around APBTs her entire life with absolutely no problems. I have owned over 100 APBTs and have not had any problems with human aggression. Out of all of them I have only culled one for human aggression, but it wasn't mine.
Mav, I have broke up many dogfights and have yet to be bit by an APBT while breaking one up. Pits may be a dime a dozen around there, but I would be willing to bet they aren't exactly good APBTs. They are probably all gator mouf, colby, or American. You may also be able to find some of those good tigetstripe pits also. >:D

dont forget the blue nose ;)!!!

I know what ur saying chris  our house dog is a pit and ive seen her sleeping on the couch with our kids and another pit. She for whatever reason jumped up and slammed that otger dog between the cushions and locked down but never even touched one of the kids wiyh a paw or anything. Once we broke it up and threw the other dog out she jumped back on yhe couch smelled the kids and laid rite back down with em like nothing ever happened.  Have seen her kill alot of dogs and be just as friendly as a puppy to us not ten seconds after it happened.  But if two of my dogs fite then one has to go most times and so far i think ive done good as to which ones ive culled ciz i havent had repeat problems yet. Ive culled curs and pits   the reason i would get rid of the pit is becuz he either started it or he didnt leave the dog he fought withs area when that one got aggressive.

tmatt i have no idea what they are THEY ARE FREE tiger stripped black white brown dont care what color and if they work then they are as good as your whatever you got. as a matter of fact picked one up today and taking to tuskhog instead of it being put down she gets another chance. what do you exactly call a good apbt. to me dont care what blood line it is as long they work. and the dog that bit me was not a pit it was a cur dog thats why i said i dont tolerate any dog with dog aggresion. like i sayed its my opinion and thats how i feel zero tolerance for me. those people you see that had a child face ripped off by a pitbull usually say we have always had pits they are part of our family and then what???    

So many on this thread keep on with the kid thing but the man who started the thread has yet to answer :

(1) does he know what of the two dogs started the altercation?.
(2) has either of the two dogs ever shown aggresion twoard kids?
(3) were there gyps in heat/coming into heat ?
(4) Has either of the two dogs ever shown any dog agression before ?

I don't think the thread is about kids and bulldogs really,I don't ever want anyones kid to get bitten by any dog.

Let wait and see what he says before we get too far off into too much....

i was just explaining why i have zero tolerance for a pitbull or any dog. thats just the way i feel everyone has a different opinion and thats all good if everyone thought the same then it would be a boring world. 

nobody was home so he does not know what dog started the fight.And yes there are females on his yard but they are seperated a good distance from each other.I dont know if any are in heat or not.The pit in question is not a huntin dog its a family pet.

Ok it was equipment failure that caused the problem,but what would yall do if your neighbors dog broke his chain and came to your house and tore up one of your good dogs? There would be no question then about who started it.And you probably would not give the dog a second chance.

The neigbors dog is a black and white/cut and dried issue/asnwer....not the same deal.....

Mohogger, funny you should mention the neighbor thing, I just had it happen yesterday. The only thing is that I didn't have to worry about culling, my dog did the culling for me. The neighbor's dog got off of his chain and got on my Jeep/Redboy/Carver dog. My dog's head is swollen pretty good, but he still licked my daughter when she went over to him. My neighbor told me he understood and was not upset because his dog got out of his collar (not the first time) and came to my house.
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Yes and no. A dog dont know where your property lines are.If a dog is on a chain ,the area his chain reaches is his territory.When he gets loose he will often try to socialize with all other dogs he sees or hears.It dont matter what dog started the fight ,the dog off of his chain shouldnt have been there,but they are animals and they do what their instincts lead them to do.A dogs territory ends where they loose a fight.

Gotta love them old Carver lines

What the heck does that have to do with his dog getting loose? ?

His dog getting loose is the start of the problem,which is a result of equipment failure.

it was a 2 year old cat that came from mo.

1st neither dog has ever shown any type of aggression toward each other or people.
2nd the pit broke his chain that was only two weeks old.
3rd  I do have females on my yard but neigther one is in heat or coming in.
4th it happen after I left for work at 400 am
5th if i thought for one minute that that any dog on my yard would harm my grandson they would be dead.

 I have the pit in a locked kennel and the cat is healing , when all the wounds are closed i will see who the agressor is because i to have seen these cat males jump for no reason but at the time didnt think about it.

I just want to vent to keep from being to harsh on the dog and didnt intend to start a war.
thinks for all the advice.

Cool, I think your doing the right thing thinking it out with a level head.

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Not the dogs fault, he got loose he said she said he barked she farted next door beuase she is in heat, one question is why is this dog not nutered???  I have rat terriers, dead game ones, i know what can happen if one gets out of a kennel and makes the rounds, one wrong move and the pecking order fight breaks out sometimes just over a dog walking by another, if you have a pit bull with nuts and full of testrone he needs cutting and watch him close as well as the dog he chewed up, might be safer to just cut them both and see what hapens, best lock for a kdog kennel is made by a cow vet in my town Beeville, i never seen one fail in 40 years they been around, they are called hoploks or hopalok or something, anyways they a 3/4 inch or 1 inch round stock with a made in Beeville Texas spring loaded with a aluium knob and assembled here as well, the auction barns up nd down US 59 use them and many ranchers i used to build pens for, they are excellent for the dog box doors as well, sorry about the dog fight, thanks to God nobody called the law or worse went over and tried to break it up not knowing any better and got killed, pit bulls with nuts on a chain are nitro no matter who bred them especially if they are around another female in heat and a dog yard full of male curs, cut them if you are not breeding them  and build better fences and kennels doors etc etc, good luck

i have waited  awhile to reply to this post!  the bottom line is if the dog is aressive to other dogs he needs to be gone asap ! if he gets n a fight with any dog and your grand son is there he could be hurt badly or be killed ! dont take the chance if he is agressive with other dogs get rid of him ! i have been hunting and guiding for 45 yrs and i keep my bulldogs n a locked kennel just to protect them from fights that they may or may not start ! all my pits ride with my other dogs n the box and on the ground,and any dog pit hound or cur who is agressive to another dog or person is gone imediately  PERIOD  there are to many dogs out there to take a chance of them fighting! i know a lady who try to break her 2 pits up and they ate both her arms off up to the elbow!! it was to late for her to get rid of them, pits are bad ass catch dogs but when they get n a fight they are fighting to win !! its none of my business either way you have to make the decision! i once had a pit who was the best pit i ever owned  one day i hit the top of the kennel roof (tin) with a stick to try make them stop barking she started growling at me  that was the last growl she ever made !!! just be careful and remember cats are pretty growly too!!! good luck and i know you will make the right decision !! good luck hunting and keep that grandson hunting too rusty reed boxroutfitters boxroutfitters@hotmail.com

I have not seen any of the dogs. I do not know the dogs. So I would say let the man with the first hand knowledge make the best decision he can. I have nothing to add but I am sorry for the whole situation and I hope things get better.