EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I hear of these super dogs all the time .  They can do this and they do that,  I picked him are her up three miles down the road been bayed for six hours .  Thats all fine and dandy.  I myself have come to love just a Ole solid hog dog.  One that gets out there gives it his all hunts out consistently every time at about the same distance and is a through type dog that hunts under the brush in the creeks and sticks his nose in all the cracks.  Cks back in gives you that look and takes off again and again doing the same thing over and over and over . Consistent is the name of the hog dog game !  Noting special noting great but out doing what he does over and over and you know for a fact he is doing what he is suppose to be doing.  You might have to pick him up two three miles down the road once twice in a his life time thats about it .  He knows how to stop a hog and his Buddy's with him know also so if the hog runs two three miles then somebody ain't doing their jobs in the first place.  Just a Ole solid dog with two three good solid buddies thats all I need and I can catch and stop just as many hogs as the big named super stars of the game.  Put me and mine on one end of the property and the super stars on the other end all things even and we will meet in the middle chances are we are gonna have just as many hogs as you at the end of the day.  Just a solid dog folks thats all you need .  Its nice to have that super star but in the end whats the difference?  My old solid dog shines just as bright !

x2

Never owned a superstar dog myself but I have hunted with a few and sometimes they keep you out all night when you only wanted to hunt for 4 hours... and its a beating

I guess that all depends on where you hunt at. Around here it's so thick there ain't much "stopping" a hog... dogs can't get close enough to stop one. Once the race is on, it doesn't matter how rough or loose a dog is, if they don't have the bottom to stick with one, you won't catch many. Run the air out of it... it will eventually bay somewhere.

But I don't call those super dogs... just hog dogs.

X2
my phone died before I could post but my opinion is the dog your describing should be the standard. Not many of mine fit the description, so I'm not being high and mighty, but in 10 years if I can't let a stranger point to a dog on my yard and be confident in the abilities of the animal, then ill just take up playing dominos

x2 If takes four hours and 8 miles I want mine to stick it out. To me that's a bigger accomplishment then catching 3 or 4 hogs in a hour. And when that happens I never ask myself wonder if I could have caught him sooner with rough dogs? He'll I know the answer is NO!

if one of my dogs run that sucker for 4 hours its a gone dog...  i want dogs that shut the hog down in a mile or give it up and lets go on to the next one there is no fun in running one hog alnight long to me i want to see the dogs work the hog not watch them on my garmin all night long trying to get him to stop.

That is the big difference here some people like and see a dog that take the chase five miles down the road and runs the hog out of air is a great dog are a good solid hog dog which no one can argue with that then there is people like myself that don't like to chase hogs for five miles and likes to get them stopped bay and caught as soon as possible in the shortest order and we call those kind of dogs great dogs are good solid hog dogs so who can argue with that .  Different stroke for different folks is all can be said .  Who's to say either is right are either is wrong .

My find dogs are not really that ruff in my eyes not this group of dogs but they will pull the hair out of one and snatch the back end off one to make them face up but will not catch a big big hog till the catch dogs get there.  I don't run any dogs together that cant find their on hog and to me one that cant is a help dog and that is just another way of saying he is a glorified cull  because he wont hunt just go to the bays and help to me that is a cull  .

Here is what puts a burr under my ass !
Myself what I hate is to hear is these folks that say if your dog wont go five miles on a hog he ain't as good as mine, mine will go five six miles are all nite long and get him bayed . I will say to that man in his face  you are noting more than full of yourself and full of his on chit and my answer to him her are whoever, is if your dogs strike a hog 200 yd out and you cant get him stopped for five six miles then your dog needs to grow a pair !  


Lmao don't ya just love it !  Either way to me they are good dogs just don't feed me that line of chit cause you are making yourself look like a ass  !  Save it for some body that don't know !

My dogs are not the best in the world am here to tell anybody that but damn man I get tired of hearing that chit all the time .  I thought producing pork was the name of the game if it is we are right in the middle of it .

If you got dogs that can run a hog down in these east texas  thickets then you got some super stars!

I lived in Lufkin for a while right on the Anglina River bottom some bad places I know my buddy owns a big place there and his place backed up that that SFA Forrest place there dont remember the excate name of it.  We use to hunt for the people that owned BobCat Ridge hunting lodge over close to Palastine I think lots of big hogs there.

When did you take up Dominos...lol

 I thought producing pork was the name of the game if it is we are right in the middle of it .
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Producing pork is but in these East texas woods, brairs and underbrush is a killer so you'd rather your dog come back after a hour or so and quit the hog or finish it out once he is on it?  Just wondering, not trying to ruffel any feathers. 

To me, I don't know that I'd call them super stars, but both types that produce hogs are what I call hog dogs. As long as their good at what they do, wether its long or short range, lots or little bottom, well that all boils down to personal preference and that can be argued til the end of time which style is better, but is total waist of good air, cause a man likes what style he likes. Period.
     But I agree, this whole my dogs are better than yours, or you ain't gonna catch any hogs unless you got x type of dog is nonsense. Wether its rough, loose, open, silent, if they catch hogs consistently, and can do it alone, I consider them good dogs.
   Its a proven fact even the best dogs don't catch 100% of the hogs they strike, so unless you have one of them, I wouldn't call it a super star.
    Theres just too many variables, I don't know how many times ive read on here somebody say "I wished" I had this or that kinda dog on this hunt.

   

I do not like a dog that quits the track. My goal is to have dogs that stop the hog asap but not give up easily even if the hog gets in the middle of a thick and large briar patch...and if the hog is a runner in the thick stuff I want the dogs to trail him as long as needed to bring it to a bay. These type of dogs will worry us due to where the track leads them but I would rather worry about where the dogs are headed than to know that the dogs will give up after a mile... In my book those dogs are culls...How many times will these dogs start a track just to give up, and then start over on a new track???

If I were to run those type of dogs they would have to be rough enough to stop a hog no matter what...

hell tex that ones easy enough to answer i want good solid super stars  ;D  but seiriously for the work i do i gotta have a dog that will stay the course . if i've got a big ol nasty boar tearing up an acre of whatever a night i need dogs to run em to ground or i might as well go to hobby huntin .

halfbreed

I hear ya man.  Not a thing wrong with that at all.   Just saying just because a dog goes five miles and gets the job done dont make him no better than one that goes a half mile and gets the job done both are good dang dogs either way.   Good deal.

But a dog that goes five miles and gets the job done IS a better dog than one that goes 1/2 a mile, quits and comes back.  That may be some people's personal preference, but facts are facts.  Dogs with a tremendous amount of stick are just about as uncommon as ones that will flat get gone and cover some country hunting without being on a track.

I think people are getting confused when talking about dogs running a hog for hours.  I've never seen a situation where a hog and dog flat chased each other while in sight for hours.   What happens is the hog gets out of sight of the dog, ducks and hides somewhere for a while (actually rather easy for one to do in very thick woods).  A dog with lots of "stick" is one that will go to working that track..back track a little if need be, but is flat determined to find that hog again.  This may happen several times before the hog bays up and holds. 

I don't care how fast, good, gritty or whatever anyone thinks their dogs are, in an all-out race, a hog WILL and CAN outrun them in very thick woods.

x10...  You answered my question but i was really asking Texas Hog Dog what his opioun was on it.  I thought that's what he preferred for a dog to quit the track after so long if he couldn't get it stopped. 

The way land is cut up so bad these days with 100 acres here and 1000 there i know it's hard for a man to have some of these dogs but i will call for permission.  I'm not saying mine don't loose them, I'm saying it really ticks me off if i here a bark and then an hour later i see dogs working back and this year because of our drought ive seen more of it.  I want them to produce prok on the other end no matter how long or far it takes.  Not saying mine are superstars because Ive lost hogs this year so there far from that but yes, i'd like to work towards that. 

I don't care how fast, good, gritty or whatever anyone thinks their dogs are, in an all-out race, a hog WILL and CAN outrun them in very thick woods.

I agree whole hearted with that.

No I dont like a dog that quits a track and I dont own a dog like that I get rid of them a quiter is a quiter man and sooner are later breeding that kind of stuff you got dogs quitting every were .  What I was saying is I like the ruffer type dogs that will nail one in the butt and get him to face up and hold him but not to catch him before the catech dogs and us get there.  Thats why I dont own loose baying dogs with a ton of stick, hunt and everything else because it ends up getting you in trouble because they cant get the hog stopped faced up and bayed for long runs  this gets you tickets, pissed off land owners and everything else around here.   Am not sayin that my dogs will quit a track no way man I would put up with that.  What am saying is  I like dogs that are the ruffer types has a ton of hunt and stick but can face one up and hold it in shorter distances.   Am not saying we dont get into some long long runs sometimes because it has more than a few times this year but as I have bred these dogs more my way now it is starting to pay off as am getting more and more the types that can stop the hog hold him in way way shorter distances.

You nailed it perfect with you said this. I feel the same way and this is what I have changed my breeding towards to stop the hogs asap .  These dogs have all the hunt and stick in the world but what I been tinkering with is the stoppage part of the game to get as aruff as need be to stop one and hold it but not to catch till the catch dog gets there .  Thats a fine art to get them like that and hard as hell to do. 

I do not like a dog that quits the track. My goal is to have dogs that stop the hog asap but not give up easily even if the hog gets in the middle of a thick and large briar patch...and if the hog is a runner in the thick stuff I want the dogs to trail him as long as needed to bring it to a bay. These type of dogs will worry us due to where the track leads them but I would rather worry about where the dogs are headed than to know that the dogs will give up after a mile... In my book those dogs are culls...How many times will these dogs start a track just to give up, and then start over on a new track???

i am like you tex i like them hard as nails dogs .i ran some of the roughest catahoulas going hell my old brindle bitch you had to use a break stick on her . and i am trying to maintain that level of grit while putting more nose and leg under them . in the hopes that when the hog decides to take off [because he has learned that most dogs will quit him ]. that the dogs can keep up with him and pick him up on the other side of the rough stuff and finish the sprint . and that kind of dog i still dont consider a super star . just a good ol hog dog doin the job it was bred to do . i don't really hunt for fun i hunt to solve and deminish a problem that the agriculteral industry is having with these damn hogs . i would just as soon be coon and rabbit huntin . but there is a demand for hog killers . and this is a job that i can have fun at . but in the end i still consider it work .

Yall know what I dont understand?

I just cant figure it out myself but I know there is people that love long long long distance dogs tons of stick tons of hunt and hell I do to.

But why not try to breed some get in that ass type of dogs into that so you can shorten the races ?  I just cant understand that myself I dont mean breed so hard into it you got catch dogs running loose I mean breed like halfbreed talking about some dogs that will put some real balls into them so they will atleast grab the back end grab some hair bay tight get the hog stopped maybe not all the time but most the time so a person can quit all these long long drawn out races .  I like catching hogs man. I like chasing them to but dang man why chase them three ten peices of proptery when they could are might could have been stopped at 500 yds ?

I know there is different strokes for different folks but man it just dont seem right to me.  Dont get me wrong I like a good hard core brawl and a good hard core chase man but I want to be home watching some NFL and kicked back not chasing hogs that could have been stopped all nite long.  I call these dogs two day dogs because you got to have two days off to hunt them . One day to hunt and chase and yeah getting hogs but damn man you have to have another day off to go hunt for your dog.


Just dont understand it .  No ruffling feathers but tell.

that is what i am trying to avoid i really want my dogs to make it stand where it is jumped like i used to . but with all these baydogs and quitters running these boars they have adapted to sprinting off . hogs is smart as dogs and it don't take but once and they got it figured out . i've heard of guys dumping 10 dogs out and still can't make a hog stand and fight something ain't rite . and me personally if i have to crawl and fight my way in to god knows what and find any two of my dogs bayed up on a 80# sow i'm kikkin some butt all the way back to the truck . grit, speed ,nose and endurance is my goal in my dogs . i had dang good dogs before the hogs changed tacktics and now i am forced to breed a differant style of dog to hunt todays hogs . ADAPT OR GET OUT !!!

i`ve said my 2 cents on what i like and where im trien to go. anybody who has read anything i have posted knows what i want.

If the dog can't grab the ass end how are they gonna stop it???

These are the runners I'm talking about... bark, bark and the race is on! Then they're running through 1,000's of acres of crap an armadillo can barely crawl through. The hog is so far ahead of the dogs the entire race that it ain't stopping until it get's good and ready to.

It ain't a matter of rough, loose, gritty, etc, etc, etc... bottom is what gets it done on these type hogs. Trust me, we've thrown everything in the book at them from loose as can be, to death wish crazy. It's the same results... if they can't stick with it, they ain't gonna bay it.

Hell, we ran one last night for nearly 7 miles... and he smoked our ass! It was on the same place that Bryant and the Skinners hunted with me earlier this year... ask Bryant about the terrain out there. ;D

No I understand completly.  Same way i see it.  MOst of it is the younger generation coming up running these guys once and dogs quiting them it was it boils down too.  I know 4years ago or better you could take pups out and bay up solid and not a runner anywhere around my area!  NOW 1 bark and there rolling.  That's what sucks for me.  I hate walking farther than i have to as well but if the hog wants to go i will for sure follow!   ;)

Were about yall hunt at Mike I can understand that if the bush is that bad.  If you cant get a holt of them you cant grab'em is the whole place like that .

I hunt all over, but the worst runners I'm referring to are in the piney woods region of SE Texas... and yes, most of the places are like that.

Shoot I second that, just last night I saw a clearing on one side of the levee, it looked like nothing but tall grass, I went down to it and tried to walk, jump and fall into the bay but the vines literally held my 250 pound butt! That's what made me decide to swim around that crap. I even witnessed one of the most athletic thin yellow dogs around get tangled in it and start screaming bloody murder. :laugh:

We can hardly ever see the hog until we are 5 to 10 yards from it.  I don't like catchy dogs because a bad hog will just wait till he finds a heavy briar thicket where the dog can't move to get away, and run him down and whittle on him.  These hogs around here started running bad about 10 years ago.  I miss the good ol days when you could bay up 10 hogs at a time. LOL

u hit the nail right on the head 100% in my opinion, y go hunting and just make hogs that already run bad just want to keep on running further and further to get away if he knows that ur dog is going to quite him after a mile or so every time, i want that sucker out of the woods no matter where he ends up and i know that it does not happen all the time. Rough or not a running hog in really thick brush can and will most of the time out run a dog and stop when he wants to.

This thread has me thinking I need to get back to work on my line of superdogs...

http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=8903.0

HAHA, I missed that one Chris  ;D

"Superdogs", yes I'll take one over a solid dog... but I'm happy enough with a solid dog in the meantime... they're hard enough to make themself  ;) ;D

I like true hog dogs, that have an awesome day every once in a while, and what I mean about that is keep you out all day and night baying hogs and going the extra distance when the other dogs are give out.  If I had dogs that did that everyday I would get out because it is enough work as it is!:)

Joey

Yeah... but it took 5 hours! :o :o :o

Had to run the air out of him! ;D

sounds like he had the bottom you were speaking of ;)

This is the one....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/DEERHUNTER280/e8542a13.jpg)

Jet had that kind of bottom, plus a whole lot more. I drove many a mile and tripped over a bunch of rocks with Jesse following that dog... he definately belongs in the super star catagory.

RIP...

Jesse just don't look right in a picture with no rocks in the background...