EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Panacur is a pain in the but to get around san Antonio, is there any other horse or cattle wormer that someone is having good success with? Or does anyone know a feed store around san Antonio that carries panacur?

I get mine from my neighbor he buys bulk supply he gives me a bottle ill find out what it is I can never remember the name but it works great

Ivomec??

3w that would be great, thanks in advance

Rusty knife: have you had good results?

Go to K D blackmouth curs web page bin using that working program for 4 years now works great

Panacur and Safeguard are the same.  Most all farm & ranch / feed stores carry Safeguard paste.

Valbazen...  I use it mixed with 10 - 20cc of Ivomec....     lasts a long time..   ;)

Zimecterin gold. Gets more worms than any wormer I have found.

Thanks, I'm looking them up now. I'll post what I find out

X2  Works good. Use it on horses and dogs..

I agree with nash...I haven't been using it for long but I like how well it works

I have been using Ivomec for 18 years kills everything including heart worm. I use a half cc with dogs 50 lbs and under mix with five cc of water down the throat done deal for a month. Dogs over 5o lbs I use one cc mixed with five cc of water. You can get it at a tractor supply or alot of feed stores carry. I use the bovine extra plus and have had no issues with it and it is cheap. Yes safe guard is the same a panacur!!

Ive used it for years works great for me.

how much zimectrin do you give them, lets say a 50lb dog?

Works great...it's the all in-1 wormer that also kills heartworm.  One gentleman mentioned already how he does it except I use juice insted of water.  Once a month and your good to go!!

I use a m&m amount of zimectrin gold once a month. seems to work for me but I'm not an expert.

That's a regular plain m&m. Like the candy of course.

The regular kind or the peanut kind?  ;D

The girl kind. A bag of male M&M's has nuts.  :laugh:

I would just run down to Tractor Supply Co. and a bottle of Ivomec for cattle and a bottle of liquid goat wormer. I use a 11 cc. total...  1 cc of ivomec and 10cc of the liquid goat wormer.  The only thing I dont like about the horse wormer is that you dont know how it's mixed in the tube.  It's designed for a one single dose on a 1000+ lb horse.  I would rather know for sure how much ivomec their getting.  I've only been doing it every other month here because it's been so dry and we haven't had the flee, tick or mosquito problems. I think the bottle of Ivomec was 38 bucks and the goat wormer was 19 or so, but they last a LONG TIME.....

thanks


mike

I picked up the ivomec yesterday. Hitting them with I today. Is it too strong for 9week old pups?

just use .2 or so cc for pups that young.  you can also just put the ivomec on there food, that does good too.

Ok thanks, yall have been a big help

Chances are you aren't killing or preventing heartworms with the Zimmectin Gold.  If you are giving them enough to kill heartworms or larvae, you are taking a chance at overdosing your dog.

I'm no vet by any means, but I don't think ivermectin is necessary in 9 week old pups.  It's my understanding that it takes around 6 months for a dog to get invested with larvae and for those larvae to mature into heart worms.  I don't give ivermectin to pups until they are 6 months old.  Panacur & Strongid should take care of any puppy worms.

I wouldn't start the Ivomec until the pups are atleast 6 months old. I use a cheap puppy wormer  for pups.  Just make sure it'll kill hook worms. 

Safeguard for horses is great. Zimectrin gold tears up the dogs gut. Ivomec works good too but no good for hooks. SG gets all except tapes.

Ivomec needs to b started at 6 months. U can give it to adult dogs that are positive for heartworms n after a year they will b heartworm free. Proven. I've raised n bred all kinds, sizes of dogs for over 18 years. I can help with just about any home remedy or cheap cures or flea control.  Just gotta ask.

Forgot to post safeguard dosage.... Big tube with turn dial dosage.  One complete turn of dial per 20 pounds of dog. U can overdose a little n b ok. Ivomec dose is anything under 100 pounds 1/2 cc. Over or close to 100 pounds 1cc monthly. Safeguard should b given 3 days n a row.

Use 1/10 of a cc per 10 pounds of the ivomec on dogs once a month.

Ivomec is no good on hook worms?

I've been searching for documented proof of what you just mentioned for years of which I have found absolutely none.  Can you point me in the direction of the data you are referring to?

For those reading this thread, be aware there is a lot of false information being stated.  Best bet on figuring out how to properly treat your dogs for worms is to just ask your vet.  Most good vets (the kind you would want working on your hunting dogs anyhow) will tell you how to properly use Ivomec and horse/goat wormers to treat your dogs without trying to sell you some high-dollar re-branded product.  Fact is, if your not going to dose them correctly then there's really no point in using them at all.

I've never read about ivermectin being an all in one wormer, I go with a low dose for heartworms and use valbazen, strongid, and safeguard for intestinal worms. Also if you compare safeguard for horses with safeguard for dogs you'll see they give a much higher dose for dogs, you can order the granules online pretty cheap, its called panacure.
I've heard zimectrin is not good to use on dogs.

Be careful, and do some reasearch outside this forum.

X 2.......

I can elaborating on this, when you give ivomec to an heartworm positive dog they will test beg for them but they still have them. It just makes them sterile so the eggs don't show up in the test. And in theory the heartworms will eventually die, but you risk the heartworms breaking apart and causing a blockage and death of an active dog. I wouldn't try it.

That's why I say to do your research, yes people may have been doing it this way and that way for years, but unrolled I hear it from a vet, I'm not convinced.

I had read on and off the site about it being a good all in one wormer. However I am starting to have my doubts. Is anyone a long time user of ivomectrin? If so does it kill all intestinal worms? I'm starting to think I should have stuck with safeguard

Partially correct.  Prior to more modern antigen tests, heartworms were diagnosed by the presence of microfilaria in the bloodstream.  Ivomec kills microfilara (the juvenile form of heartworms) so a dog tested that had been given Ivomec (which is the active ingredient of Heartguard) would show negative even though adult worms could be present.  Microfilaria will NOT develop into adult worms in a dog without passing through a host mosquito first.  The theory behind giving an infected dog Ivomec is to keep him from getting worse and let the adult worms run their (relatively short) life cycle and die naturally.  Hopefully if infestation wasn't severe, damage will be moderate and the dog will eventually be heartworm free.

I tues you can use it for intestinalworms also, but there are much safer easier ways, otherwise everyone would use only ivomec.
Here is some good info I found online if you don't mind a little reading the math is done for you, and I don't dilute it, just put it on thier food straight.
 http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=13759.0

Thanks!

And unfortunately I can't find the .27 ivomec anymore. And revivalanimal com has pretty much everything you could think of.

I guess I forgot to write articles on it n to add Dr in front of my name. I have done it on my own dogs. That was proof enough for me. FYI:: everything I posted on here I have been doing for over 15 years. My vet also told me it was all good. I raised several champion AKC dogs and used all these methods on them. Hell we have a poodle that's 18 years old n he's heartworm neg (only got ivomec 1/10 th cc month) and only wormed with my personal routine schedule. I even performed a surgery on him at my house with my vet on the phone telling me what to do. He's still running around. Deaf but good. If u don't want to take my advice then fine. If someone on here wants to save some money n not run to a vet every time their dogs farts, n they ask for advice, then u need to keep ur mouth shut if u have none to offer. By the way, where is ur proof my advice don't work?

Ivomec stops new heartworms from producing which then does not reinfect the heart. The present adult heartworms then die with no reinfestation. Dog is now heartworm negative. As for the worms dying n then causing death it is possible but it is also possible it happens when u take ur heartworm positive dog to vet n he gives it "treatment" to kill heartworms.   Actually more likely then.

Keep your kennel clean, treat with the CHEAP ivomec and CHEAP goat wormer and you should be fine.  Just like going to walmart and buying a bottle of bayer tree and shrub insect killer 19.95 a quart.  It will treat  over 900 dogs. use 1/2 cc on base of tail and 1/2 cc between shoulder blades and your problems are solved.  It has the same ingredient imidacloprid  in it for killing flees and ticks.  It is the same thing they use to make advantage flea and tick with, but it wont cost you 35 bucks or so  plus it will last you years. I also treat the ground and the beds. But do what you want.  I just know my dogs are health, fat as a hog and tickless.... :)

Thanx Mike. I'm gonna try it. Haven't heard of that.

Strongid does not kill hookworms.

Yes sir I believe it does.
http://www.vetinfo.com/canine-strongid-t.html

I had a litter of pups year before last that I had been dosing with Strongid T since 2 weeks.  The 2 that I kept were given doses of Strongid T every 2 weeks but they kept going down hill.  I took them to another vet (cheaper vet)  they were infested with hook worms, so say what you will Strongid T did not prevent or take care of the hook worm problem in my pups. Mixing Strongid T with a hookworm specific wormer will be sufficient, that is what I do with my pups until 6 months and then they get Ivomec monthly.

I've done all my reading and have gotten many different answers. In yalls opinion is ivomectrin good for hook worms?

IMO it is not. Use safeguard for hook worms.

Maybe you need to do a little more research on heartworms. The ivomec does not keep the adults from reproducing, it just kills the microfilaria. The microfilaria can not reinvest the heart without first traveling through a mosquito. Two of the stages of the heartworm must he completed in a mosquito. It is only after they have made it through these two stages that they can reenter the dog and migrate through the tissue into the bloodstream and eventually to the heart where they reach maturity. The approximate lifespan of an adult heartworm is two years. It is also possible to get a negative heartworm test on a dog that is truly heartworm positive. If the vet is using the microfilaria test and you have given the dog ivomec then the test will come back negative.

By the way, where is ur proof my advice don't work?  If you research what I just posted then you will find all of the proof you need to prove that your advice don't work. It is approximately 2 years, not 1 and this can happen even without treating the dog with ivomec. The key is keeping mosquitoes off of the dog.

Hellbilly, how much Strongid T were you giving the pups? If you are not dosing with enough wormed to kill the worms then you are building resistance in the worms and basically making the Strongid T ineffective. I have rotated Strongid with Safeguard for many years and have never had any problems with worms.

tmatt,

100% correct.


I offer no "advice" since "advice" is based on personal opinion.  I have however posted PLENTY of factual data which I simply refuse to re-post on a weekly basis everytime someone shows up and doesn't first try the "Search" function at the top of this page.  This information, along with mathematical dosing calculations and research references has all been previously posted for those that will look.  You can take to the bank, that anything I take the time to post concerning canine health can be 100% factually substantiated.

Thats a FACT BRYANT, and I am SORRY you too now been aggrivated by the HE said this and She said that B.S. Alot of folks giving FALSE advice on this forum, by those that are Too Lazy to Use the Search Engine on the Internet and the Information Super Highway. Its like being in a library but wont open up a book because its easier to say  that "joe Blow" told me to do this, and then that way when I do it wrong, I can place the blame on that person and not take responsibility for my own stupid actions.

I did not mean to frustrate anyone by posting my question. I was simply looking for a wormer that was easier attainable then panacur....( did not know it was the same as safeguard) this I could have probably found out if I really dug. I guess that makes me lazy. Didn't know I needed to think twice before asking a question.

 If you are giving out incorrect (FALSE) information then the shoe FIts, wear it,  if it dont then dont get your feathers ruffled.

Intestinal Parasites in Canines
http://lswda.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=114


Whipworms
http://lswda.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=272

Tape worms
http://lswda.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=254

Hook worms
http://lswda.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=255

Heart worms
http://lswda.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=115

More info on Ivomec
http://lswda.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=177

Fair enough ;), thanks for the info!

Here is another very informative link EVERYBODY should read atleast once on this  popular subject
http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=6252.0

and

http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=11829.0

ivomec works great and will kill all internal paracits use 1cc per 100#
or u have 50# dog give it .50 cc