EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

What y'all oppions...


I seem to like crosses  seems to give me exactly what I want

Good nose and drive from hound
Build from cur and quiets the mouth down

Straight, line bred dog. When I have my best gyps bred in a year or two, ill split the litters with the studs owner but everything else stays. Crosses can sure enough produce the occasional super dog, but the consistency of high quality closed yard dogs is where its at for me.

I agree there are good ones from both types. My preference is full blood as stated from above for the consistency.

If you find your full blood strain not being consistent its time to check the quality of your blood or your culling methods.

 hell actually i love purebred dogs but the game changed and had me crossing to keep up . so i got the crosses going and after culling and working and deciding i'll circle the wagons and tighten the breeding on the crosses and see what i got . from the looks of things i won't be dissapionted [ MAYBE !! ] never know what might pop up down the road  ;D  might be havin to TEXT somebody on the dog trade  rolleyes

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Run to Topics together ha..

I got a 1/2cur 1/2 walker I gonna bread
To start some dogs for my yard
But I gonna cull hard
Due to I won't sale any these pups

  i sell a few new crosses with a garranty just to get others opinions on them .

you seen whats on my yard i got both   i like me some pit mix and some fuzzy dogs too lol  but with out gabby my production would go way down

I like both full blood and crossed up dogs. I have had full catahoulas,walkers,redbones,jagd,redtick,and chihuahua but now I just got 1 crossed up walker/bmc that is my favorite. But my redtick is showing he may have what it takes

Halfbread
On my first few litters I was goin to do that to check out how the percentage turn out
And different style of hunting

Crosses works better around my place but I have some of both.

Who knocked up moon trey?

Hoping nobody but looking like she is..

But only dogs she was around was
John
Bear
Todd

Only time she was with bear is huntin! Hopefully she ain't but she may have some good looking pups if john or bear got her

line bred dogs that started off of a good cross!!!

My opinion is the ones that will find hogs..... I don't care Wat they are I'd use a half number 2zoo half wenie dog if it would find and bay a hog lol but I am kinda partial to the good old line bred yellas

a x breed every time ..take into count i havent seen a plott. curr or the like but here are some of the reasons most of the pure breeds look or do very little for what they were originally intended for because of a breeders desire to accentuate the asthetic characteristic of the breed allthough  the stabilized chararacteristic will remain eg lab =bird dog retreiver loves water .the thing you get with a cross is hybrid vigor ..a stronger draw on traits  dont get me wrong your going to get your duds but youll end up with some exseptinal dogs if you know what you are doing

Linebred Crosses!

I guess I might explain some.

I like crossed dogs but I like familys of cross dogs.  In other words even tho they are not pure bred this are that bmc, cats, plotts - I know were the father mother bro sister aunt uncle half bro half sister and more relitves are and even tho they are not pure bred I can tell you there are lines of these kind of dogs that is just as strong are stronger as any purebreds and produce just as good are better.

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PigRig Nailed It !

the thing you get with a cross is hybrid vigor ..a stronger draw on traits  dont get me wrong your going to get your duds but youll end up with some exseptinal dogs if you know what you are doing

I believe the same thing you just have to find the right click then its on like Donkey Kong!

I've had the crosses an everything but I sure do like them yella dogs  >:D

X2 you just put a little more explantion then i did!!!

Well for the purpose of argument I attempted to find a cross that would suit me. But according to Wikipedia YELLOW is a primary color that cannot be created by mixing any other colors. 


Soooooo guess I will have to stay with a primary vs a secondary.   LOL >:D

Between me and my buddy we have several cross dogs that look exactly like yellow bmc. Makes them extra special yellars when they got that touch of hound!

No Cheating!   Take the sheep skins off the wolves!   ;D

Does that hybrid vigor carry on after the F1 cross? Do they produce consistently when bred in the F2-F4 an on?



At what point does a "cross" become a "purebred"? If the family of crossed dogs have been worked hard and culled hard and now are producing consistently...should it not be considered "purebred"? I don't think the consistency would be obtained in only a generation or two...

At what point does a "cross" become a "purebred"? If the family of crossed dogs have been worked hard and culled hard and now are producing consistently...should it not be considered "purebred"? I don't think the consistency would be obtained in only a generation or two...

I could not anwser that correctly ,  Don't know.

well here is my other day job i also  work for a genitic company maiting dairy cows our 3 base heards in nz are holstiens.jerseys ..and x breeds 1st crosses by far outproduce the other 2 breeds here lies the problem what next.this is wear genetics get real tricky and requires a fair bit of experties

Take that first best cross dog and breed it right back into your best family dog and keep going back into the family till nature tells you to cross again .

There are many different ways of doing this.  With family dogs that have a little cross in them are into pure family dogs are into family dogs that are crossed themselves but you better know what clicks and what don't that is when you as a breeder find out if you are a pretender are a contender !

when a breed is stabalized ..consistantly produces the same genetic traits  eg coulor shape size ect this is usually done by breeders line breeding [ moore pc than saying in breed]

FACT: If its not linebred, be it a mut or purebred, you wont get consistant results from litter to litter with the exception of most CD breeds. Ive seen as many 1/2 hounds sit at your feet as I have pure curs etc. Line bred dogs are the only way to do it intellegently and consistantly. Otherwise one bad night in the woods and your back on "bay dog" getting riped off until you get lucky

I dont know you personally but can say I always respect your post and reasoning. Dont always agree but mostly do.

Yes Sir !  I bred dogs for a long long time and I have found that Linebreeding with some inbreeding for speical purposes and then breeding to the correct outcross for Hybird Vigor to produce Hi Performace dogs is by for the best and most consistent way to producing good precentages of Hi Quality working dogs all threw the breeding process from the first linebreeding to the inbreeding and then to the outcross and back to the family.  I have seen many many people bred best to best and produce great dogs also but they have to wade threw a lot of not so good dogs to get the great ones most the time there is no inbetween gold are chit ,  then again its just finding a click if you find that click that works weather If it be best to best are threw a family breeding program put on a out cross you stick with that click and breed it to over and over,  I have seen folks hit pure gold doing this and never look back .  One way is not everybodys way and then everybodys way is not another mans way .  Two things that is born with a dog man that is brought out threw hands on experence and time  and It  cannot be taught , that is a eye for a dog and a gut feeling for a breeding.  You got either one of them and you are well on your way.

x2 on the culling methods for sure...that is where the majority fail...

Don't forget about training methods, operator error has ruined a good percentage of pups

this is half of it...the other half is picking the right pups...just as important as the breeding...

like arrow is saying... dog handling can make a great dog greater or the same dog can ruined in the wrong hands...

Yep I will agree that also has a big part as well.  But can't put the cart before the horse. 

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halfbreed i been telling you to get you some good yellow dogs and you wont have to breed hounds in those pretty different  colored dogs .  :laugh: :laugh: :o

well said...and i will add, when the blood is tired and we need hybrid vigor look for a dog that already carries half of your line that is what your dogs lack or compliments...if none related look for a good line of dogs and cross to your dogs...either way cull hard and if too many pups are culls for your line then move all the pups..and look elsewhere...if you like the litter then cull hard up to your standards and breed back the half blood back once and then use the quarter blood as you need...that is if you want it to stay your line of dogs..