EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I've been reading some old and new posts on keeping whole litters and culling what you don't want now what's a cull in yalls opinion and when you cull is it because the dog doesn't work or isn't what you want in a dog  I ask because I've gotten and raised dogs that were just culls that i culled and others that didn't fit my hunting style hunt to deep to short and so on. On the dogs that worked but didn't fit my hunting style I gave or sold to someone who hunts that type of dog

to me there are different reasons for culling...I agree that my cull might not be a cull for the other guy or vice versa...we just have to be honest and say exactly what the dog is and the price should be according to the dogs ability...

Some culls are just that...should not be sold and should go to a non hunting home...

some folks want to get their money back no matter what... and will try to sell a dog that shouldn't be sold...

A person who is trying to breed the very best usually culls some good dogs...meaning give pups away or sells these pups or young dogs...

another thing is that some folks think a dog is not a cull when that dog is a cull to someone else...

Day in and day out a cull is a cull and a hunting dog is a hunting dog...but a hunting dog comes in different styles...

My lead dog was someone's cull I got for free with a suposedly good bred dog which I culled...lol

I have strong opinions on this... When you're trying to breed better animals, anything that I feel will not improve the gene pool is a cull... Plain and simple.

... It can take many litters sometimes to find that improving individual

AND A CULL IS TAKEN OUT OF THE GENE POOL, NOT GIVEN AWAY!!!!

I do agree with you but what if a dog works just not the way you want and fit my pack perfect is that dog still a cull?

To me, yes.

Spay and neuter what doesn't suit you then give it away with an honest description of the dog.

right on  ;)

x2...if you are breeding dogs it is the only way...

exactly this my culls are usually somebody elses idea of the perfect dog . i normally cull for any genetic defects . not for color or hunting styles . i like medium dogs and if one turns out long range it is a cull to me but a dream dog to someone else and vica versa . never had but a couple in all these years that just flat wouldn't hunt

I can only speak for me personally, but when I make a breeding it is for no other reason than producing pups for my OWN use...therefore, at any time I feel one of the products of that breeding isn't meeting MY requirements then that pup is dealt with accordingly.  I have sold or given away only a very few weaned pups but they left under the same condition that if they didn't meet the purchasers expectations that with no exceptions would they be re-sold except back to me.   It is very important to me that the dogs that I'm striving to breed on my yard are very uniform in the way they hunt and work.

Physical deformities, Color, Appearance,  Natural drive or ability, Personality and handeling.  In that order for me.
(Color and Appearance to each their own)

Why settle for half or part of what you like. Raise the bar on your expectations to satisfy your own tastes..not someones elses.

Culling is an art that I believe is highly spoke of by folks... but rarely utilized in the frequency and rigidness that's required to hold a stable level of performance and uniformity. 

I believe in culling a worthless dog but why would you cull (don't leave your yard)a dog that works not just bark at a hog I mean works finds stops controls a hog just not the way you want why would you cull that dog

Because you dont want your hard work passed and sold all over Gods green earth. If it ain't good enough for you to feed, why would you want that dog with your name and reputation leaving your yard to ruin both?

I know a few hunters that like dogs that will run a hog for 3/4 mile and if the hog is not caught or bayed in that range, they then want the dogs to quit and come back and start another one...lots of hunters like that type of dog...that is a cull for me and I would not feed one like that...


The dogs I like need to be able to find a hog in the woods if one is in there and once the dog starts the track I want him to finish it if it takes all night...but the goal is to keep breeding better dogs that can do this and keep improving the line to where these dogs can make the races shorter and shorter...I don't mind dogs that are semi silent or open as long as they can move a track, find and catch hogs...


well the hunters that like those 3/4 mile dogs would not feed one like those I like...

so one mans cull is another mans pride and joy strike dog...

but there are culls out there that truly are culls for anyone who hog hunts...does not matter what style.

even a good me too dog has a place in most pack of hog dogs...kind of like a good football team, takes all kinds...A hunter might have a pack of dogs that can go out and find a hog and make it look easy but it is that "me too dog" putting the brakes on that bad runner. Ideally, we want to breed better dogs each generation that can do it all but can be slow going to do so for different reasons...but a good goal to strive for...

We do have hunters that think they have a great set of dogs but when ole blue goes down the rest of the pack just can't find a hog...does that mean those dogs are culls...I would have to say no...but to some they would be...These dogs just might be the best stop dogs anyone has ever seen but they need that quarterback (strike dog) to lead them around...

For me I strive to have a dog that can do it all except catch like a bull dog... because all I want is to keep  5 dogs or so so they must be bred right with a good line of dogs behind them. that comes with time and with culling hard...and probably one of the most important part of breeding better dogs is having the ability to pick the best possible pups from the litter. Hopefully the pup that is kept is not only a great hunting dog but a good prospect in improving the strain...culling pups does not mean to take them behind the barn and shoot them. Most of the time the pup can be above average but does not fit the breeding program...

But we do  have lots of culls out there for lots of reasons...

My thoughts exactly, and I guess that's what I was trying to say above.  If somebody should get a dog off my yard that carries my name in it's breeding, then it should hunt like the dogs on my yard.  I'm not talking about puppies, I'm speaking of dogs that I have spent time with...been raised and evaluated by me.

yeah i here you bryant , but in my opinion unless you get those dogs out into the hands of other dog men and novices alike . hunting differant country being handled and work in a lot of differant fashions , and methods how you gonna know exactly just what you got . i can take a litter of my pups and keep and train them and love everyone of them . but they may fail in the hands of another ,that meens i need to work on the natural ability passed on , if i hunt the farm land how they gonna fare in the swamps ect. ect. . i too raise dogs for my own personall use . and to breed a better dog BUT i don't feel i'm getting the feedback i need on my program unless thar out there in the hands of all . that is why i will SELL all the pups that i don't keep , and i've givin a few out too but that don't buy no feed . and a good garranty will keep a mans name from being sullied . my main goal in this is to try and get dogs out there that can CATCH and KILL every hog in texas not make a new breed or line that can be called my own like so many people are trying to do . to make a long story short if there not out there proving themselves it's hard to see where you're at in a breeding program . [ to me ]  and then there's the at what age do you just flat give up and start over

for me it is a progression...I have to see something I like in a pup and at a year old he should find his own hogs...at 6 or 7 months a good one will be finding hogs and that one is earning points to get to enjoy the females... ;D

im with noah on this one start culling from time they are born i keep if i want 2 pups il keep 4 and after 12 months i may only have one left. only give pups to close friends

Because I'm not interested in how they hunt and perform with other types of hunting other than what I'm doing with them.  If I were trying to market a new breed or "bloodline" or whatever and if my intent was to try and make a name or start selling dogs, then I would take greater interest in working towards an all around dog that would fare well when hunted by different methods and terrains.  It doesn't matter to me how they might hunt off a hood...I don't hunt that way.  Doesn't matter how they hunt out in front of a four-wheeler, cause I don't hunt that way either...see what I'm saying?

Just my opinion is all...

X2 I want to tailor my dogs to my wants and needs.

yeah i hear ya bryant . i'm just trying for that do all dog . i hunt all kinda differant terrain from swamps to farm land to south texas brush . then gonna try the mountains in a couple years  hence the heavy hound influence in my curs . cause them hounds been doing it every where for centurys. and due to havin dogs in all those places i know what i got and where i'm lacking . gives me a spot on the wall to focus on in finally having exactly what i'm looking for . just what i do. been tryin to breed better dogs and roosters since i was old enough to know better  ;D

I like the the dog that is more like the linebacker is to the football team...might not be the fastest but is fast...not the strongest but strong and quick...the all around athlete...

hunt, nose for winding and cold trailing, swimming, range and sticking to the track no matter what... and the ability to find a hog in any terrain is what I tried to breed for... and hunt at a fast pace...

I started with tree dogs but never checked or tested for treeing ability...

I like a dog that when he is turned out that he will look good in any terrain...just a good all around hunting dog that isn't afraid to put some teeth on a hog to stop it...

Took the words right out of my mouth.

so y'all are saying that cull is not always defined as quick croaked?

a cull does not mean the pup has to be bumped off...might be a good to great dog for someone else...and some pups are good enough to keep in the pack but not good enough for breeding...pup might make a cow dog and not a hog dog...or a good farm/ranch dog...

as far as quick croaked no not never but not quick . if i can't find a job of some sort for a dog be it laying on an old ladies porch or whatever i wouldn't consider myself much the dog man . will i breed to something i don't like no . but there are many jobs for a just good ol cur dog out there . and i will try my darndest to place a dog somewhere before the last resort . every farmer and rancher needs just an ol dog around the house to keep the critters at bay . my first catahoula i started hog huntin with was my chicken dog for two years kept all the critters off my roosters .

hey rueben we was typing at the same time  we think alot alike

 ;D :)