EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

From what I can read if you got the cash and you want the best BMC you would go to Wrights, and Thoms. Now who has Cats like that? Who are the best cat breeders, that have a line of reproduction that is second to none?

This ought to be interesting.  I'll put the popcorn in the microwave.

Just like the BMC lines you just mentioned, they are the ones highly advertised, and there are better BMC lines out there you wont see advertised.  

Just like the catahoulas with papers, there is better lines you won't ever know about because they don't care to have their hard work ruined by people wanting to make a buck.  

I am not talking bout papers, I am talkin bout really good dogs, that can also reproduce their kind. I don't care bout papers I do care about the quality of the strain, in both the working area, and the reproduction area. I do not want to buy a good working dog that does not and can not reproduce their good working habits. If i am gonna start this kinda of dog hunting I want to do it right. Now as for maybe slighting some other REALLY GOOD or even BETTER dog breeders if they don't want to be known how in the heck would I know bout them if I am new to this sport? I am not trying to steal someones blood line and make a profit, I just do not want to buy everyones CRAP, OR CULLS and spend 2 or 3 years sfifting through it. I also feel that if I do start with good stock like I want then I will be able to reproduce what I need because I know this is a sport where you ALWAYS NEED BACK UP.  Yall are only one bad ass hog away form needing another one. So reproduction of abilities, and type are vital in my search.

Pretty much the only people still breeding cats are the ones looking to make money off papers and double glass eyes..

The ones that were breeding for hunting ablilty gave up and started breeding BMCs...  >:D  :D

JUST A JOKE CAT PEOPLE!!!   ;D

from your last post i have to assume you are new to running dogs.  First, you are going to go through a dog or two to find what you want, secondly that one may not reproduce him/herself and EVERY strain has culls for one reason or another.  Find one you like hunt the snot out of it, then try to find a dog that compliments it, and go from there.  My BEST dogs were FREE!  just my .02

well, you have a good solid plan...another idea is to find you an older female of the type you want and then breed her to a good dog of the same strain and now you have pups that you can observe, train, and then you can select and keep the best of them...

first thing I would do with a cat is mix a little leopard cur or bluetick into the pot... ;)

no mtn. cur?  ???  >:D  ;D

well the mtn cur and leopard cur have a lot in common...besides...I knew your were going to say it...and I was going to have to respond... :D

 ;)  :D

IVE HAD CATAHOULAS FOR AROUND 15 YEARS, EVER BREED HAS TRASH BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE AN ABUNDANCE OF TRASH IN THE CATAHOULA WORLD. PROBLEM IS THEY ARE PRETTY AN THAT PRETTY COAT AN EYES KEPT ALOT OF DOGS ALIVE ON LOOKS ALONE!

My buddies best dog is out it Thoms and my buddies worst dog is out of Thoms, had to be culled! ..... Just saying! 

Jerryg

id say theres trash in every line just as there is in catahoulas.
ive seen some good dogs, hunted behind several; none were myn!
propably 1/2 if not more were cats but why do u say theres an abundance
in the "catahoula world" this isnt a debate just a question!?
me personally i hunt yella and red dogs.. getting my first cat soon.

Dave,   First Off I don't and won't get in a pissing match over this post with others. There is a lady in Denham Springs that has a proven line of Catahoulas. These dogs have won every baypen championship there is to win. She sells dogs to hunters and they make great woods dogs. She sells dogs for blood trailing and they make excellent blood trailing dogs. She ships dogs to Ranches in the U.S. and Canada and they excel at being cow dogs. These dogs have a lot of Sandhill in their bloodline which is one of the oldest Cat bloodlines in existence today. She started with a few Sandhill dogs as part of her foundation and through the years has line bred and now has her own
line of dogs.  These dogs are very versatile. Litter after litter these dogs have proven themselves at what ever it is their job has turned out to be. Her name is Terri Monaghan. She owns Monaghan Catahoulas. Her number is 225-892-8948. I had a plan similar to yours. I did not want to go through a bunch of dogs to finally get a good one. I have my own line started now off of her dogs and couldn't  be happier with their progress. The pups are eight months old and we are fixing to start hunting them in Feb. Pups I sold from my first litter are already hunting and finding their own hogs.  Are their better Cats out there? I'm sure they are.  I'm just giving you one place to find what your looking for.

JUST FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE

Lmao. Why Joke?   :o

Now that's funny!

I am not new to raising or running dogs in general ( I owned and trained and ran beagles inAKC triles for 14 years) I am new to hog dog sports though. I do understand the idea of culls in about all crosses, that is why I would be willing to pay alittle to get some stock that I can put some trust in. I also understand like with the beagles there are different styles of these dogs, (ie long range or short and ruff and loose) I also understand how you train them has a huge effect on many of these varrables. Thanks for your input.
Thank you for your information. It will be very helpful for me. She sounds like she has a strain I would be interested in.
Yes I agree with the color part of your statment, some are so fancy looking that you would want to keep them on that alone, hope I don't do that if I get into them.

Sandhill?!!

 $1000 cull or a $100 cull take your pick. Its all just luck of the draw, every litter of every bloodline is going to have a cull in it and you can take that to the bank. The dogs/pups that I want to own can not be bought but are entrusted to you as a gift with certain guidelines and it takes alot of time to get em too.

You are right about that, it was the same when I ran dog trial beagles. However I am very new to this game and I am sure that I would not be trusted (AS you say right off) and RIGHTFULLY SO. But i do want to get some to start with so rather than take a shot in the dark from a I really don't know cross, I would rather start with a pup or two and train them the way I want to hunt, from as good a stock as I can afford. Or maybe a 5 to 10 month old that has some pen training as well as some wood hunts. Thank you for your input, very helpful.

Papadave,

Your question is very valid, and I wish there was an easy answer for you.  I've been around other types of dogs as well (mainly bird dogs) and I will tell you from my 15+ years of dealing with hog dogs that dog dealings seem very different in this sport than most others....and honestly I've never quite figured out why.

In most other dog disciplines, most times price can be in line with performance....hog dogs not so much so.  For whatever reason, there is almost a taboo in this sport about people who frequently sell pups and it seems most who try and do so are looked down upon.  Those who do sell a bunch (hence the well known names) tend to be those who are best at marketing.

If I may offer you any advice at all, it would be this.  If I were in your shoes, I would spend a good deal of time on here reading and learning to decipher BS.  Once you have in your mind a few folks who perhaps you feel may be the real deal, I would fire off a few PM's inquiring about pups.  I personally breed very few pups and none with the specific purpose of selling, but when I do raise a litter and have extras I'm always tickled to get those into the hands of people who I feel will do right by the dog.  There are many people on here who are not dog peddlers, and most likely feel the same as I.

DISCLAIMER- I have no pups for sale, nor any near future breedings planned so I'm not trying to hard sell you any dogs.   Just my opinion, and what I would do is all.  :)

iv got cat pups ready to go 6 wks old and their parents are good dogs and iv had them a while. they both meet my standards and ill give you a pup to try, im not saying there the best but they work for me.

PaPaDaVe,

Go hunt with as many people and dogs as you can, don't get hung up on a certain breed like I did when I first started. Then make your decison based on what you see and like.

Don't believe anything you read about any line of dogs until you see it with your own eyes.

Thanks Mike very good advice. M. Bennet thank you I am pretty far off I am in Lake Charles, La. I am really greatful for your offer.

If you want a DOG... You might have to travel... I have driven over 12 hours to get pups... P.S. don't buy into all that yellow power BS... There are cats out there that are still bred the right way... Maybe we could get a catahoula vs them piss colored dogs?!

Its hard as hell to buy a really good dog from proven lines unless you want to spend a couple grand but you might get lucky.  Its even harder to buy good brood dogs that are proven lines of working dogs most won't let good producing dogs go like that and then most people don't have the patiences to see it threw from breeding them to pups. to  young dogs, to started dogs, to half finished and then on to finished.    A lot of people think they do but when all is said and done they don't. Also what you run them young pups with is going to make a big impact on how they turn out as older dogs keep that in mind.  I don't know were you are from are who you know my advise is to go with as many people as you can go with watch the dogs see the dogs and make friends with people .   I will be the first to tell you being a good friend to people will most likely get you a better dog from proven lines and probably given to you vs what you might buy many times over .  Stay away from the commercial crap and go with the Ole Red Neck that hunts his dogs four five times a week are when he can, he might not live in a great big house drive a fancy pickup but you will sure nuff know what he is about when you see and hunt with his dogs.

Go to www.txmasoncatahoulas.com.... Douglas Mason is a great guy and he'll help you out if he can. Got some good dogs and he's a great trainer.

*like*  ;D

I'll agree with the others about moving around a bit and seeing some dogs work for yourself.  Shouldn't be too hard because not a whole bunch of people breeding and raising what their hunting anymore it seems.

you can come hunt with mine any wkend. oh mine arent papered and got 1/8 hound in them.shop around and do yur home work , good luck

Thanks I see his name alot, and I always see that it is good stuff they write.

  this is the best advice u have been offered. i would hunt with as many as u can, because u might hunt with another breed and forget abt any other? good hog dogs can b alot of different breeds even hounds to some people  rolleyes

You might start with Larry Paker and his line of dogs. I believe he lives right outside of Lake Charles.

Well was it as interesting as you thought? Oh and how was the popcorn?

I couldnt tell you which is the best.  One thing I can tell you, is that the people who make a habit of talking about how great their dogs are, steer clear of.  The people who know they have good dogs dont have to advertise, their actions speak for themselves.  Some of the guys that have given you some advise on here I would consider to have great dogs, listen to their advise and you will be in good shape.  Best of luck to you.

I sent you a PM Papadave, I only live a few minutes north of you.