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      America has not become anything of the sort. We have become a much more understanding democracy over time. The good old days were not what they seem, of course hindsight bias will cause many of us to think so but in reality we have continued to move forward and make great accomplishments with every single minute of our existence. With such broad freedoms for ALL Americans these days it seems silly to ask if we have gone to number 2. People are just questioning more. Things that used to be no one else's business are now getting attention. The fundamentals of our democracy continue to move toward greater freedoms for People in the homeland and abroad. Families have not gone bad or awry and the picture perfect ideal of the 1950's family was a fake coverup so that those who experienced the great traumas of the depression could feel comforted by a fake " perfection". Wifes married men for economic welfare and served that purpose or else they were beaten, girls had babies and pretended they were there grandmas. The times have not become worse, but more open and more realistic. We understand what it is to be normal. Theres no such thing as the good old day. As a progressive country we make moves everyday and in every aspect of our society toward the greater good and understanding of the human species. I have traveled to nearly 25 different countries and 40 ish states over my short 20 yr existence as an American. I have seen true poverty and i have experienced true wealth. No where in the world will you find such an understanding and non oppressive government besides in the us. I say long live America and long live her people. AMEN

political science major??????

who is the guy with the first comment , We differ greatly in political views , sure as %$#@ ain't a conservative .

a democrat...lol

I'm all for opinions and different views.  That's what this country was founded upon, but views such as the first one is what I THINK "my opinion" is wrong with this damn country. 

I have only lived in this country for 10 short years and have watched it rapidly turn to number 2 in that period,i love it just as much as my homeland but if all these changes are just put of as a sign of the times we need to back up about 30 years and correct it,IN GOD WE TRUST!!!!!!!

Biology major... Anyway I never came here to have my political views botched or to even pick a side. Im on the side of whoever im comfortable with, the mere fact that your are attaching stigmas to my opinions is the plain and simple reason you think our country has gone to number 2, people who always point fingers but dont take an active role in goverment, we the people are our own goverment and belive it or not our opinions have shaped this country. I say go back to grade school, learn how to share and how to compensate and not to stereotype. I am merely an AMERICAN who believes in what this country stands for. If we dont work together and just point fingers like little children then yes absolutely nothing will get done. If you havent stayed in multiple countries for longer then a plane layover  then quit comparing us with the rest of the world. Im only 20 years old and ive seen more culture and have had more overseas experience then many peers in my age group. I know that in America i have rights, and if they are violated then i will get reparation if i seek it. In other countries you shut your mouth or else. And if you dont like the USA then please leave. Dont use our land to hunt and dont use our internet to talk about bad about us. If you go to college and seek higher educationyou could better understand the way goverment functions and the respective roles of the people. Ifyou never been educated then of course your gunna sound like a highschooler picking a fight with a phd even if you 30 yrs older then me. LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION

     If im whats wrong with this country, then were doing pretty damn well my friend. Youd be proud to have a son as well versed as I, but i doubt you would allow for this sort of education or this amount of opinion under your roof, because your scared of what great minds can do. Its really people who fear change like you that make our country seem like closed minded imperialistic asses when as a whole this country is more understanding excepting and friendlier then 99.9767675653737 percent of the world.

ur a bloomin idiot.

It is impressive that you seem to have taken your education as seriously as you have, it is also fortunate that you have been able to travel and experience other cultures. It is true that we as Americans are very fortunate to be in America and yes we do take a lot of our freedoms for granted.
Change also is a good thing, at times. Not always, yes this country has made progress in leaps and bounds while in the same stride have gone just as far backwards. When animals and criminals have rights that are similar to law abiding citizens, when "nature" is becoming more protected than people something is out of balance.
Public schools at all levels are influenced by government, government is influenced by money, and those with the most money want their ideas and standards pushed to the forefront so that they can profit the most.
You do make some valid points, the problem is that you admittedly do not believe in absolutes "I'm on the side of whoever I'm comfortable with" , this country was founded with biblical principles therefore it was founded on absolutes.  When people with no absolutes and a relativistic mindset started gaining power in the government this country started a steady decline.( yes it is still the greatest country in the world in my opinion) but it does need people to step up and take an active role to make the progress that we have made seem like true progress. 
I'm not as smart as you are, or as well educated, or apparently as wealthy. But I've learned as much as I could in school and now that I'm out of school I receive an even greater education from the people I talk to, difficulties in business, time hunting behind dogs or a rifle, in church, in books, with my wife and kids.
    I do like these boards and the variety of opinions and the ability to state mine. What bugs me is when a person no matter how old or young comes in and starts talking with the kind of arrogance and pride that has been evident in all of your posts in this thread.

Cold beer, I didn't read through all this thread, but name calling isn't tolerated and won't get you very far on this board.

Very well said!

 I defend my beliefs just like you do. I also do not live my life in accordance to ANY text. Nothing written by another mortal shall bind me. I know its hard for you to believe or maybe even fathom but alot of our worlds problems would be solved if every bible of every religion was burned... Hell if your to scared to burn them ill do it. We are our own makers, we make our path and we create our own wealth. If you really seek change then stop praying for it and start being the change you seek in this world. To anyone getting upset with me or the fact that a 20 year old has the right to an opinion, you know where the back button it. I suggest you use it.

 :o

I'm glad that you have got to travel to so much foreign land and seen so many states. I love this country and I have made sacrifices that your 20 year old educated mind can't fathom. I bet your worldly travels were to peaceful, sovereign countries. You ever starred down the barrel of firearm to defend what you love. Don't you dare ever ask me to leave this country. I work for US government. I see the inner and outer operations of it everyday. The only thing you know is what you're getting out of a text book. Dig your nose out of those pages and get a dose of reality. I defend our constitution and have taken an oath to do so. Last thing I'm gonna say, I see your brand new to ETHD. You better get some tougher skin and get your feelings off your sleeve if your gonna stick around. Especially if your talk like you been talking.

 :o   rolleyes

It actually encourages me to see you stand for what you believe, I haven't met many people that do or will.
I will listen/read anyone's opinion because knowledge can be gleaned from all of them. Honestly I can say that I am learning from you at this moment, some things that I may use and others I will not.
      By your own admittance you DO live by a text that was written by a mortal man..."LONG LIVE THE CONSTITUTION". If you stood firmly on thie idea that "nothing written by another mortal shall bind me" then what keeps you from committing crime, getting a loan, buying a house or any number of things that require binding agreements and contracts, or are those made to be broken? I would like some clarification of what you actually ment by those statements.
      Age has little to do with this conversation, life experience does however. Usually someone's age can be determined by how and what the communicate to others. It just so happens that most of the people that have lived longer have experienced more than those that haven't.

x2  O0

Before you judge me, I've been in multiple countries for more than a layover so don't put your foot in your mouth on that one.  I've defended this country and sacrificed the first year of my kids life for the war against Iraq not to mention the humanitarian missions I've been deployed on.  I am all for the constitution and we were founded Under God.  That's been being done away with for years now just like our rights have been trampled on.  As a citizen you voice your opinion through voting, it's a right many men have died to defend.  This country is going to $hit so whether you wanna sit back and watch it, do something about it, or change with it is simply your prerogative.  Simply put, this country is rapidly doing away with the principles we were founded upon. 

Well said and thank you.

Somebody pass the salt please ! 

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Thank you for your service. Your overseas deployments have shown you firsthand the reality of living abroad. I also cannot fathom many of your experiences, you are a breed of your own, the reason our nation still exists. With that being said i wont put my foot in my mouth for you or anyone else for that matter, isnt that a beautiful facet of our constitution that still exists today. My great grandparents came to ellis island with not a dime in their pockets. Through hard work and a willingness to immerse themselves culturally they built what most would consider a small empire. I have not taken advantage of anything in my life. Since i can remember i have never taken anything in my life for granted. I question everything, but most of all i listen. I have been exposed to a great deal of very respectable people and places. More then most people no matter their age. That isnt what i wanted to talk about in this thread. I never intended on a battle nor would i like to continue one. I just disagree with your opinion put simply.

I don’t know about y’all, but I think this country was founded on the belief of FREEDOM. Of course there are other reasons, but the main one was for freedom. Freedom to do what makes you happy, and what you believe in.  I agree that this country has a lot of areas that need improvement, but that doesn’t mean that it is turning into #2…  It just needs the right people to stand up for the right things. There are MANY things that need improvement, without being specific, and there are MANY things that need to be changed back to the way they were. I’ll say one, and that’s CHRISTmas not X-MAS! REALLY???  The contradicting hypocrites that are doing the changing, IMO, are the problem now days. Is it really that hard for people to understand if they want something changed, that they need to do something about it? What do you think one of the worst wars (civil war) in country’s history was about? The people decided to do something about what they did not like. Our nation of people just going with the flow is the problem IMO. When we continue to sit back and let the Big Wigs make all of the decisions is when this country is going to go to #2. This is a democracy, and I think that if you believe that is the case then the only option is to educate yourself on what is really going on, get organized, and do something about what you believe in. AND I’m not talking about the “occupy protests”… I’m talking about real organization here. JMO that is a great post bailey508, and a lot of that is more than true, it is REAL. I just believe there is another side to this country as well, and that people just need to start realizing that if they sit around waiting for change it will never come. The only way to run this democracy is the way it was supposed to be run, and that’s by the people for the people. IN GOD WE TRUST!  ;D Long live the United States of America!!!

ca10j do you hog hunt?

I do indeed...

Opinions like this is what I feel is the beginning of the end of our country.  I just hope your eyes are opened before your number is called. 

LOL you're a funny guy:) I like working with people like you!

Y'all tell him !  Hot diggedy dog , this post sure was interestting. Sorry if I mis spelt any words. I didn't get any of that
fancy book learnin this arrogant young feller obvios got.      Is the best of the free life behind us now?  I believe so.

LMFAO! That's great!!!  :D ;D

Many, many men and women have given their lives for you to be able to have that education, and the ability to have the freedoms that you so richly enjoy. If you do not live by the written word of a man then you are part of the problem this USA has. You are in my opinion are part of the me generation, if it's not about me first then it means nothing to me. I will repeat you are part of the bigger problem. I do not hate you I feel sorry for you because one day, as others have stated< the real world will kick in and you may have to rethink things. I hope God continyes to bless you, and I pray that he will open your closed eyes.

Our govt. has become too big. Middle aged people who were raised in America can remember a time when we weren't so managed and herded like cattle. We don't need our govt involved in every aspect of our lives  but thats what it seems that its coming to.

While we are being "more open and more realistic," I am not 100% sure what you mean by the "normalcy" of how Americans live their lives everyday, maybe you don't believe in the good ol days, but I'm sure there are plenty of people out there with more than 20 years under their belt that can reminisce on memories that fit the definition of "the good ol days."  If you take the time to open your eyes and ears I promise you will learn something besides what the textbook says, and you might just even be amazed at the way people used to live. Heck, you might even be envious of them and some of their hunting stories.  I know I am.  On that same note, I LOVE this country, what it stands for and what it allows someone who is willing to shed blood, sweat and tears become. Great people and great opportunities have emerged because of that freedom. Coming from a family full of veterans, and supporting a little brother who is currently a United States Marine, they have the passion for this country, to defend it,WITHOUT even having been in a different country long enough for a layover. Oh, and they don't compare the U.S. to any other, because she is uncomparable.  Congratulations if you are 20 years old and have a phd, I'm not quite sure if I've ever heard of that, but I'll keep an open mind. ("If you never been educated," it would probably stand out in the intelligent things you have to say anyways.) -Just kinda rubs me wrong that you assume anyone who thinks different than you doesnt have an education as great as yours. Although you might be well versed, I wouldnt totally pride yourself on the fact that others on this site would be proud to have a son "as well versed" as you- i could be wrong though. I see where you are coming from on several aspects of what you are saying, but don't limit yourself to what you are "comfortable with."  America was built on beliefs, and can grow and flourish under the beliefs of others today.   

WINNING!!!! :D

ALL DAY LONG!!! ;D ;D ;D

All that i wanted was a friendly discussion like you have provided. Everyone else immediately judged me for my wordy non conservative talk, dubbing me an inconsiderate child. I did not intend to upset anyone or to have a childish internet bashing. I was just defending a country that i LOVE. I understand the opportunities it has to offer and continues to offer. I appreciate every brave man and woman in uniform. I understand America has a lot of controversial policies and does many controversial things, but the fact that we can judge and critique this is what i find so beautiful about this nation. I also do not think it is very fair for you to assume that because im so young that i have not been through a lot so to speak. Im not saying i've had a ruff life or that im better then anyone else. Im just saying my opinion is equal to anyone of yours even if it is liberal and my "worldly experience is very little". Nothing i've said this far could have possibly been meant to show off, i never even mentioned my dads Ferrari, my moms Mercedes, my Porsche or any other material objects for that matter. (heavily joking) But on a lighter note lets stop this bickering and have more people say how they feel about America and less of you guys nag me over my liberal philosophies.

Hahaha! Ya'll are awesome! Best hunting partners a girl could ask for!!

ca10j,
I'm all down for friendly discussion and friendly difference of opinons.  I value what others have to say and what they believe in. Personally,I think that's where we are given the most opportunity to learn from others. I still stand by what I said earlier, the attitude you had in earlier posts kinda rubbed me the wrong way. And I'm not dubbing you anything, just suprised at your approach to a "friendly disscussion," -came on kinda strong, but I guess that's just the difference between you and me.

  "for every liberal there are thousands of dead veterans and hard working salt of the earth conservatives that made , and keep it possible to beleive the way they do "

Im a liberal and you can bet your ass if i didnt think i could make a difference in peoples lives through my pursuit of science i would have a gun in my hand and an insurgent in my sights. Being a liberal does not make you a softy... I uphold my right to bare arms.

Hey, jmo ca10j, but the one thing that I see wrong with all of this is just what most are saying... There is a way to have a friendly discussion with out having an arrogant attitude. I am young myself, and I HAVE been through a lot in my day. I used to have the same chest pumping attitude when I was challenged on my opinions and beliefs as well. I have not served in the armed forces, I am not a policeman or firefighter, but I have been a working tax payer for the past 12 years, and also have a college education. During this time, what's seems to be a life time, I have learned one very important lesson. That is to know your "opponent" and to pick your battles. This has also continued into having two of my best friends die within a month of each other, purchasing my first home, getting married, my daughter being born premature and having to be care flighted a hour away, one of my best friends screwing me over royally, starting the hog doggin' life style, and the list continues to build. So the only advice that I can give you because you do seem to be a smart individual is sometimes less is more. It seems like you "know" what you believe in, but it also seems it is loosely based as well. For you to take such a defensive stand also shows that you are not so sure about some things too. There is not always a need to battle, fight, or argue when you "know" something to be true, and are not open to any other opinions or suggestions. A lot of the folks who commented on this post probably have 10 years or more on you... And I'm sorry but with age comes experience, and that's something that you can't buy or find from being abroad for a little amount of time. So my only suggestion would be pay attention. You'll find that the more you listen the more people will talk, and some of that conversation could give you a new light on life. This is a great board and there are plenty of people willing to help you learn and give you advice and suggestions, but they will not do that if you don't have the right attitude. I hope you find something that will humble you as I did at my young age, and that it will prepare you better for your years to come. Best wishes.

X 2 Thats the truth if i ever heard it.
   I remember the good old days, gone but not forgotten.

seems that some people have forgotten.....may be that's the problem

Ya'll are so right about that. All you ever hear anyone talk about that is "older" is the good old days.... I would have to say I live it vicariously through people like my parents, and their friends. They all say I should have been born in the good ol days. LOL! Ya'll are blessed to be able to say that you've experienced this country in its greatest times. I'm a little jealous... LOL!  ;) jk  I would like to try and stick up for this generation a little bit though. There are still "some" good people out there that are my age or close to it. These good people will hopefully carry on the traditions and morals that we were taught by our parents, and so on and so forth. I just really think it is up to both generations not to give up though. Once that happens we really are headed down a one way road. Do you all think there is no recovering from what has already been done???

ill say this again and i think ill be known for sayin it, i think the united states is gonna go wild west sooner or later.  :-\

the usa is not a democracy it is a republic.  THE USA IS NOT GETTING "FREER" our freedoms have been eroding since the early 1900's, and it has all been orchestrated as part of a systematic plan. 

this country was founded on freedom as opposed to biblical principles.  i believe most of the founding fathers were diests and not christian.  actually one of the main reasons it was founded was as an escape from certain religious principles and persecutions.


if you can't see that this country is going to numero dos you are a part of the problem.   the problem/problems are larger than the grand canyon and a pink colored fish taco the size of bolivia multiplied by 666.

just how big is bolivia.....lmao

Ok. So I'm not understanding a lot of the post on here though. Everyone of the "older" guys (no offense) is pretty much sounding like this wonderful country is broken, and I agree to a certain extent; but is it broken to the extent of being "totaled"...? If so, what are we all going to do? Sit around and complain about it, or actually do something about it. Right now, besides having another civil war, the only thing you can do is voice your opinion by voting. This was already stated that many people died to give us this right. If we do not choose the right people to lead this country then yes, it is going to go to chit! BUT is it really broken beyond repair??? Are we all just going to do like SCHitemHard said and start living wild west style? I'm sorry, but I agree to a certain extent that this country needs help, but I will not give up on HER, nor can I sit back and believe that we will turn into a third world country. I don't mean to argue, but I would like some clarification on opinions of how this country will prevail and come out of what everyone says is the problem. My dad agrees with the older generation, but I asked him the same thing. We as a younger generation, your successors, need guidance to be able TO prevail. If all of y'all give up now, what are we going to do???

i'll say this , i beleive its gonna get alot worse before it gets better . we are headed for some rough times .

one possibility is that it will recover and fix itself after it goes "wild west"


it is never over until the last person gives up.  the force that orchestrated this problem already believes that the usa is dead and they have publicly declared their mission as complete.



http://bible.cc/ephesians/6-12.htm

formal educations in institutions of higher learning are pathetic jokes.  a steep price for a brain washing via the anus.

Lol! Because you have been to college doesn't mean you believe everything your told there. Most colleges want you to make your own beliefs and choose your own paths. I can't say that I want to have to have a college degree to get a decent paying job, but that seems to be the case across the board. I will say, I don't have a PHD, but I do have a college education. I do not think or believe that I have been brain washed by any means. In fact, college opened my eyes and made me cherish the things that we all hold dear, our freedoms and beliefs! BUT you are deff entitled to your own opinion, and I respect that. ;)

lol, yea, i know, but university learning is one of my favorite things to talk trash about.

tushay!!! ;D

I think America has been faced with a lot worse and she always seems to triumph. The American people will stand proud and united as always. We as Americans have a duty to vote and to be active when it comes to public policy. I also believe that MY generation has taken a pro-active stand in voicing there opinions and taking the opportunity to vote. We have maintained a great deal of dignity and normalcy in our daily life's despite threats by well known terrorists.  We have been wasting valuable resources, life's, and great minds to war efforts. These efforts have been long, drawn out, and not nearly as successful as we hoped they would be. We provide a great deal to the needy of the world and yet the worlds hands are still held high and open grasping for freebies from the U.S. Many people in the United States have forgotten what it means to be a HARD WORKING American. Nowadays the piece of paper you get when you graduate college says a lot about a man and his chances of success in the real world. In the "good ole days" it was possible to make a living so to speak without a college degree. It is pretty clear that this is no longer the case. Im not flaunting and im not teasing, Im pointing our mere facts. If the U.S is going to number 2 in your opinion and you have not voted on every piece of legislature that you had access to then consider it the fault of your own. You can expect your lawn to be cut if you dont cut it, you can expect a seed to grow if you dont plant it, you cant expect your children to want success if you dont want success, and you cant expect change if you dont fight for it. Old, young, republican, democrat, liberal, conservative we all need to voice our opinions in order for our country to be a true reflection of us. We need to understand certain legislative purposes and we need not pitty ourselves. If we work together there is nothing we cant accomplish. This has been proven by the American people time and time again.

Alot of problems could be solved if you'd fire all the liberal teachers and professors  ;D

college educated idiots  ;D  thats what i call em . all book smarts not a lick of commen sense .

Im from Upper east side manhattan, id say me being alive means i have a lot of street smart and a fair bit of common sense. I know one things for certain; country boys don't last long out in  the city, even with all there experience and self gained knowledge;) Also Id say grown men calling college a laughing matter is a joke in and of it self, if you were a REAL man you would understand how fundamental it is in order to make money in todays day and age.
 

Im pretty sure obama lost in Texas.  We voted it just didnt matter

us unemployment rate college degree 7.4% highschool degree 8.4%

         We could use her in the USA.     
 
 
 
 
Australia says NO -- Second Time she has done this!


She sure isn't backing down on her hard line stance and one has to appreciate her belief in the rights of her native countrymen.

A breath of fresh air to see someone lead. Australian Prime Minister does it again!!

The whole world needs a leader like this!



Prime Minister Julia Gillard - Australia

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT... Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.'

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.'

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

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For being well educated and well traveled you sure don't have your FACTS right.

I'm living proof that one doesn't have to have a college education to make a good living.  Additionally, I've got a good friend that interviewed for a position a few years ago with the largest gas company in the US. He was going against 6 other applicants that all had degrees. None of them, my friend included, had any experience in the field.  The guy without the degree got the job, and had rapidly moved up in the company.    This wasn't in the good old days either, this was in 2008-2009.... BTW, that was just an example. I could spend all night typing examples that contradict you.

Now, I won't debate theology with someone, as that's very much a personal decision, and is different for everyone.

I'll just say, that at 20 years old, I thought I knew something.... The older I get, the more I realize that I don't know!

I'd bet the employed people with degrees vs without degrees are paid way different.

hey ca was just a wonderin did you know george jefferson and weeezy from the east side

These are exceptions not the rule. Im not even going to argue this. The maturity level and the belief that education is not as important as i make it out to be is the reason other countries even have a chance to catch up to the U.S. You can bet your bottom dollar that when everything is taken from you, your education will not go anywhere, similar to life experience in a way. If higher education is not demanded of children these days then we can say for certain America has dim future. No amount of life experience can get you were a college degree can, unless you have CONNECTIONS. I see old people with tons of life experience pushing publix carts, and packaging my groceries
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Have you ever considered that one's success is dependent of one's own efforts. Regardless of formal education.

I'd bet the employed people with degrees vs without degrees are paid way different

Maybe, the problem is that we dont have enough jobs. Foreclosures are at all time highs this country is in trouble. Im glad you have gone to college Im going to twist my kids arms to go but it doesnt gaurantee them a job.  I am older than you and i make a good living but i remeber when i was little and your mom stayed home.  Thats almost impossible now, im lucky my wife doesnt have to work but there are alot of qualified people out there struggling.  So please dont think a degree is a job because i have several people that work for me that have degrees they dont need to do this job.  Im not mad at you though.  You most certainly have the right to your oppinion.  I dont think you have the right to talk about the good ol days because you werent there and trust me they were good.  I made twice the money in half the time.  

 ;)

Yes but only to a certain extent. There are limits placed on those who chose to be "uneducated". If your end goal is success why would you choose to stack the odds against yourself instead of just ruffing out college. With so many people in America, and the population continuing to rise those lacking formal education will be forced to except lower paying jobs or similar jobs for less pay. Its the reality of the age. Being a man and working your way up ladders worked far more effectively in the "good ole days" , these days if your not college educated your handed a ladder full of barb wire and hot wire, the chances of you climbing that ladder without some crack is highly unlikely. The educated foe is handed a little giant ladder that allows him to climb effortlessly.

so am i lucky to be working a full time job that needs a bachelor degree that i dont have?

You know, the more ca10j posts, the more convinced I am that he really is missing out on alot- yes, education wise. Have you ever thought there's more to life than just an education?? Life experience AND an education COMBINED is what gets the job done nowadays.  I am about to graduate with a Chemical Engineering Degree, and as someone who failed math my senior year of high school, alot of people didn't believe that I could get a degree, much less a Chemical Engineering Degree.  So, where am I getting at? There are plenty of my peers on the job market with much better GPA's than mine.  But you know what, they have their noses so far stuck in a book and rarely EVER get out to enjoy the REAL world, they don't have the people skills that it takes to work with others. So, to make my point, for you to say "no amount of life experience can get you where a college degree can," shows just how ignorant your outlook really is.  And actually, it is quite embarrassing for someone like me to read. Don't get me wrong, I am very proud of my education, but I know that it is not something to flaunt such as you have, and yes, you are flaunting it, because with your attitude you, my friend are well on your way to being the one who packages groceries while you ramble on about a bunch of bull.  

AMERICANS NEED FORMAL EDUCATION FROM HIGHER EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS IF WE INTEND TO COMPLETE IN THE GLOBAL FOREFRONT IN TODAYS DAY AND AGE. OTHER COUNTRIES ARE PRESSING THE ISSUE OF EDUCATION AND THEY ARE NOT TAKING IT LIGHTLY, IF EVER THERE WAS A TIME TO STICK YOUR HEAD IN A BOOK THAT TIME IS NOW. I have seen death, i have seen sadness, i have seen happiness, i have been sick, i have been weak, i have been strong, i have lost faith, i have gained trust, i know what it is to doubt and i know what it is to grow up. Never judge a person by his age. You have no idea about others life experience, my life is ever changing and i have experienced a whole lot so far. It really ticks me off that some of you guys have a problem respecting young adults. I don't let anyone no matter how old treat me like im some kid with no life experience. In my experience not many adults like you have had the joy of meeting someone like me with enough guts to stand up for myself, my OWN beliefs based upon my OWN experiences, and enough brute to knock some sorry son of a gun life experience know it all off his feet ;)

 Well, in the heat of the moment I accidentally posted under wine6978. MY BAD!!!  ;D  ;D  rolleyes
lol, it must be that college education I got!  ;D  ;D

If you guys never assumed you wouldnt make asses out of yourselves. I understand education is just a single building block to success. I have worked a 9-5, i have volunteered for hundreds of hours in different medical facilities, i have helped peers through hardships, i have experienced my own life and i have functioned regularly and efficiently within society. For you to assume all i do is educate myself is ignorant and completely implies a lack of knowledge about the education system. All the help and guidance one needs to succeed is provided for at a young age in all public schools, only few will take advantage and broaden there horizons others will have a closed mind for ever.

Age is just a number. When your boss's age is lesser then yours, well that just sucks.

See now I understand that you are a young adult, because I am not very much older than you. Something you will learn in the next few years, because trust me the difference in maturity from 20 to 23 is crazy. At least I have done a lot of growing in these last three years. Anyway something you need to learn is yes you do have an opinion and you are 20 years old so your an adult and your entitled to it, but buddy you also need to learn when to just be quite and listen to people with more age and experience under their belt. The only reason I am saying this to you is I was also a "strong willed" 20 year old man who had seen many things that most grown men never will, but if I would have just sat back and listened I would have not had to learn so many things the hard way. Coming from someone only a few years older than you, you just need to listen. You would be surprised how far that will take you!!

And this is not BigNoseKate.

I take all this in good health. I also am a very good listener. I also prefer to listen rather then speak as i understand i know relatively little considering the wealth of knowledge the real world has to offer. At the same time you have to understand im not attacking or responding to anyone who replied to the initial post respectfully. I went of on a rage when the next five posts after mine said nothing about the topic and just undermined my views and opinions quite blatantly. Older people have a hard time admitting fault in my opinion. Some people here are about as mature ,educated and respectful as a 7 year old boy from the city.  How you gunna act all childish, crack unnecessary comments and in the next breath try to act dignified and well experienced. You choose not to share your opinions but rather share your opinion about my opinion with each other. I came to this site with a respect that not many of you have lived up to. The wealth of knowledge i found here before joining had me in awe only to find out that a majority of this boards members are judgmental, and lack simply etiquette.

This thread made me think about this rant about young people. It cracks me up. This isn't directed at ANYONE, its just funny to read.

http://crabbyoldfart.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/god-damned-know-it-all-young-people-make-me-furious/

Well like the article said if im old enough to vote, and i pay my own bills you should hear me out:)

 ;D That is very well said! I might be a youngster, but I sure enjoyed that!!  ;D So true. Thanks for sharing djhogdogger!!

Im willing to hear anyone at any age out. But being old enough to vote doesn't mean anything except that you are old enough to vote.  ;D I only posted that to be funny. It could have been posted in any year. LOL When I was a teenager in the eighties when things in this country were in better shape, young people still agrivated old men. Im sure it is the same in any decade. It was just supposed to make you laugh.  :)

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This is the way it is at the company I work for

Amen.

I second that SCHitemHard! Wine6978, you hit the nail on the head when you said, "See now I understand that you are a young adult, because I am not very much older than you. Something you will learn in the next few years, because trust me the difference in maturity from 20 to 23 is crazy."  ;D .

Ca10j, My dad tried to drill that into my head for years, before I was a married father or had a degree, that I needed to not know so much, and listen more. I was a hard-headed young man then... I'm not a ton older now, but life sure MADE me grow up and LISTEN, and FAST!!! I still like to talk a lot though  ;D, cause I get it from my mama, but I also now know to pay attention to EXPERIENCE. Because if it weren't for my father and his experiences and help, I don't know where I'd be today.

I said that I have a college degree, but I didn't say what kind. I only have an associates in Science, hoping to be able to finish a bachelors in business and computer information systems. My grandparents blessed me with enough money to get started, and I tried to finish paying for it... BUT it is too expensive. I unfortunately had to put that on hold and pursue real life. I tried to honor my grandparents by finishing this, but I fail short. So I decided to peruse it on my own time, under the wing of another individual, lets say Jimmy, who didn't graduate college nor did he go at all. Jimmy is a genius, and knows everything there is to know about computers, SELF TAUGHT. To make a long story short, Jimmy noticed I had driven my self as he did, and knew I had the passion. So Jimmy got a NEW job, and blessed me with a recommendation that landed me his previous decent job, without the degree that met the requirements, and I am blessed and lucky for that. Jimmy went on to a MUCH HIGHER paying job, with NO degree what so ever because of the experience he had. That is just proof that the degree doesn't mean EVERYTHING, and that knowledge and experience does. Now days when you look at job postings it says right next to requirements "or equal years experience". They found out from over the years of hiring people with degrees and NO experience it doesn't cut it. So all in all, I am working to better my life, without a, IMO, finished degree with as much life experience any 27 year old could hope to have. (and some I wish I didn't) word to the wise, some of these people on this board have some really good info to pass on; even if it is only their opinions on posts. Those opinions probably come from years of experience though, and thats something you nor myself has. Honestly, same as when my dad is "talkin' to me", I'm writing every opinion and thought down in my memory banks. I hope, one year way down the road, to be able to access that knowledge and experience to pass on like most on this board. This is a great site, and the people are awesome. All I'm saying is that you need to learn to value and appreciate everyones opinions, beliefs, and feelings because you may need them one day.  8) One of my favorite sayings is, "Your cup is too full, when you try and fill cup it will overflow... you must first empty cup!"  O0

Well, I don't have any degree, and make a dang good living. I have worked my tale off to get where im at. I chose not to accept welfare, and hand outs. It always cracks me up when they send these "educated" engineers out here, that don't know their hind end from a hole in the ground. And have to be taught everything from us worthless uneducated folks.  LOL.
     Son, you've got a lot to learn yet. And as far as US country boys not surviving the city, well ive been to the Bronx and made it just fine. But let me ask you this, hows all that education gonna keep you alive if all the grocery stores shut down, and all the powers turned off? Drop a college educated city boy out in the wilderness, see how long he lasts.
A COUNTRY BOY CAN SURVIVE !!!!! 

AMEN!!!!!  Can't be catching none of them there hogs is new york. (Grammatical incorrectness is intentional).  I'm not knocking anyone for getting a college degree. I pray that my kids do. However, how many founding fathers of this country had a degree. The way I remember it, from what lil bit of book learnin I got, they were mostly under studies to someone that was smarter than them. Kinda like an apprentice. No different than modern day folks being a welders apprentice or something to that nature. Learning from somebody that's already mastered a trade.

I know hundreds of men that don't have a college degree that make more than enough. But that doesn't seem to be enough for you. You come from a "small empire". I've got my empire also. I have a chunk of land and a home that my wife and two kids can do as they please on. I've got my dogs in my back yard in kennels that I built myself. I go to bed every night and say my prayers to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ (really don't care how you feel about this matter any more) for blessing me so abundantly. And their is a thousand folks on this site and 25million more across this nation that are the same as me. You can go be a one percenter with your "small empire" and just leave us the hell alone, we still gonna make.

This is where i get my chance to chime in thanks to TNhillbillys post. The only books the city folks need to bury their heads in will be titled:
*survival for dummies-edition 1
*survival for dummies edition 2
*how to find/process drinkable water
*Basic butchering of wild game
*building a shelter 101.
I could go on forever,but its the educated post turtles that are leading us into these trillion dollar debts that will cause the lights to go out,if you dont pay the power bill thats what will happen,no grocery stores or gas stations should make for a good start to get the ball rolling on the wild west situation yeeeeeee haaaaaw,bring it!!!

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YOU HAVE YOUR WAY AND I HAVE MINE. GROW UP AND STOP TRYING TO TEACH ME A LIFE LESSON. If i have a question ill ask, speak when spoken to son, and dont get on my tail acting all tuff.

Well I know know there is no trying to give you friendly advice from another young perspective... You deff need an attitude adjustment. A lot of these guys are just trying to get a rise out of you because it shows your inexperience and age. Good luck with all that ca10j. Signing off! ;D

If you want to talk hogs and dogs, then do so. If not, I'd suggest you move on down the road.