EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I am curious about these Bird/Bulls, how good are they,and how do they compare to others?.

Ive only been around a few and they were RCD silent, not a lot of bottom, put produced a lot of hogs if the are around.

Thank's tnhillbilly, I appreceate the input. You are the only one so far that has given me an answer to my questions,instead of making smart a-- remark's.

I know a guy hat uses them they are pretty dang good dogs I think. His bay dogs let out one yap or bark or anything and he's sending them no matter how far and they're caught hard whenever he gets there I wouldn't mind feeding a few

bird/bulls are really popular in Georgia. A good gamey pit to a well bred pointer will almost always produce hog dogs. EP/pit is the most popular followed by GSP/pit. I have a Brittany Spaniel/ Pit cross that has an unbelievable nose. Alway been an outstanding winding type dog but last year he started trailing hogs. Trailed several runners a 1000 yards and bayed them up. I have seen some EP/pit crosses that trail better than a lot of curs. Bird/bulls usually have tons of hunt, fairly gritty to straight catch, lots of stamina, and of course a really good nose. If you don't have access to good hunting curs, breed a gamey pit to good pointer and you'll have hog dogs. Lotta people also prefer 1/4 bird 3/4 pit for a very rough shorter range dog.

Thank's BuddyLee, I have three of the gamest bred pit's on earth! Cottingham blood. I bred my stud dog Boondock to the best pure Boudreaux gyp I could aquire, and kept the best female out of the litter and bred her back to him, and kept the pick male out of that breeding. Anyway, this is a hog dog forum,
and I believe my Pit's will make excellent catch dog's. I am living in Lagrange Georgia, I thought that I would be moving back out west real soon, however, I found out yesterday that isn't the case. Could you get me in touch with any hog hunters in the area?, I am dying to try out my Pit's on some hogs!.

I would but I don't know any doggers around LaGrange.

Bird Dog/Pit = Stamina , Speed & RCD  ! From my experence .. This is Gus "dog on the right" ..

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campbell curs somewhere in Georgia...these dogs are birddog and pitbull crosses and he already has this line of dogs established.

Got some on the ground now. I will know in about a year.

Hey guys, just got back from G.A. And read this post. Me and a buddy spent a few days hunting with Mr.Steve Parker in Covington. We took our bird/bulls down for some fun. We ended up catching 34 hogs while there. Mr. Parker who is a legend there said our bird/bulls were the type of dogs thayt stories are qritten about ! Talk about feelin proud ! To hear an authority tell me that was some kinda awseome ! Me and Niks dogs that another guy on here said couldn't get it done, bayed and caught their butts off consistently!! My puppy bayed 2 by herself and caught with the others. These dogs are 3/4 english. Bird and 1/4 pitt. Mine is long range hunt all day windin machine ! Easy handlin Joe ! I love em so much, gotta get ya some !

I would avoid anything with bird dog in it... very lazy and no nose at all... scared of hogs to boot...   ;D

Hey Smarlowe,
It's good to hear that, It sounds like Mr. Parker is a really good person, is there any way that you could help me get in contact with him?I live in Lagrange Georgia, Which is only an hour and a half to two hours away from him. and I am dying to try my Pits out on some hogs!. You can contact me at (706)407-6757, my cell# is (208)477-8907, but its not working right now. Thank You and keep up the good work!.

John Heffron

I'm about to breed this gyp to a pit RCD and find out myself, I've been interested in that cross for a while myself, with that cross they are bound to have the hunt and gritt plus some winding ability
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This is a bird/bull that I used for a short period.. Good stamina, straight catch, caught ear and locked on, and good temperament...

We mostly walk hunt or take wheelers.. What i didnt like was that if they were on a runner or took a track pretty far out, he had enough bottom to stick with them further than what I cared for.... I didnt care for him to get out real far and be caught a long period of time... Even on wheelers, our places are thick enough that it still takes a while to get to them... Sold him to a buddy that wanted him for when he hunted off horses... He would also get out by himself and try to hunt..

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I wish our runners only went 1000 yards and bayed up...  :-\

Trenton- Would that dog be trying to stop a running hog or would he just run behind it? and would he ever bay, say at really big hogs or just try to catch? Fine looking dog by the way, hope mine are built like that.

When I first put him on hogs, he barked a couple times and got rough... After a few hogs, he was straight catch...

I dont guess we caught any huge hogs with him, so im not sure if a big hog would back him up or not... The hog in the pic was the first decent sized hog he caught on his own and it was around 175 or so if i remember right.. That hog bayed for a second and broke, and he ran him down and caught him before he got too far..

If he was there or could get there, he caught... I ran him with a Uglydog Devestator, and most of our places are thick.. So if they got on a sure enough runner, sometimes he would get left..

For the hogs that bay-break-bay-break, he was awesome.. the ones that run and run, well that just depends...  ;)

He isnt the most experienced dog, but he was learning and doing the job well, but a RCD just wasnt for me..  :)

Thanks for info Trenton

God Bless,Waylon.

Just giving an example. Lotta hogs here go much farther and a lot of bird/bulls will trail much farther.

That is a very nice looking pointer. Make sure you breed her to a hard, leggy pit.

I will buy any extra pups outta these breedings if ya need to move any. Boondock,  Ipassed your info on to Mr.Mason thanks.

Thank you buddylee, she was a craigslist find, she had been dumped at about 6 months old, looked like " damn it " but is turning around and I really like her so far. I'm looking over a few different pits right now. a buddy at work has a yard full he hunts with but most are a little shorter than I like but his best dog has the best disposition you have ever seen on a pit and can do it all ( short range of course ). I'd like to find a hunting bull dog with more leg but so far there almost all used as lead in dogs and and it's hard to evaluate exactly how they are due to the fact that I am not around them as much as my buddies dogs. Thanks again and God Bless, Waylon.

Someone told me, in another thread, about the positives of EP over GSP, but I cannot relocate that thread so far.  i was hoping to get a GSP, but I am reconsidering on a EP. 

I would love to hear peoples opinions on the pros and cons of English Pointers vs. German Short haired Pointers for the purpose of crossing with bulldogs(pit/amstaff) for hog dogs, and also EP vs. GSP for bird hunting in Southeast Texas.

One thing that stuck with me is that EP had more stamina in the heat and humidity which is the conditions I usually hunt in, besides winter.

i only have personal experience with one GSP, so i know next to nada.

I wanted a GSP, but now I'm actually very glad I ended up with a EP. here is a fairly good post from another site where the topic was discussed by some men. not about crossing the 2 types with bulldogs but about there overall qualities and shortcomings.

http://www.huntchat.com/printthread.php?threadid=15131&perpage=8

one guy said the his EP was aloof and not real companiable.  i'm almost leaning to ep now.  I wish I was rollin' in the dough I'd get EP, GSP, Cimarron Uruguayo, more bullies,  Presa canario, wolf, BMC, CAT, JRT, Leopard Curr, Anatolian Sheperd, beagle, Armenian Gampr, and that'd about rap it up to start with.

as it is i just got work it out for one more, for the time bein'.