EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

i get confused reading some of ya'lls definitions of range . now  it's a 1/2 a mile from my house to the hyw. and that 1/2 a mile loop to me is what i call a medium range dog anything in between is a close working dog anything further is a long range dog . have i been wrong all these years ? some of you boys and girls talk like a close working dog is up your butt and you are tripping over them . to me a close working dog is withen a good 1/4 mile radiuse and it goes from there . ya'll help me out and lets here your definition of range on dogs

short- in sight or easy hearing distance

med- 1/2-3/4 mile

long- 1 mile or better

now, I am saying this based on hunting.  All of mine had better run one further than that if need be.

To me a close ranging dog hunts out 150-200yds, a medium range is out 400-600yds, and long range is out 1000(+)yrds.  I'm not talking about running a track, I'm talking ranging out and circling back.  The dog that is stays up your butt isn't going to find as many hogs as the dogs that are ranging out. JMO

I'm in line with Mason

Close 1/4  Mile - Medium 1/2 Mile - Long 1 mile and over .  This is out  hunting not trailing a hog.

yeah that pretty much in line with me and 'im talkin huntin for a hog not runnin it . if they runnin it they better go the distance or i'll sell um on the dog trade  ;D  P.S.  NO TRIAL !! >:D

hunting   100---400  close
             400---800  med
             800   +      long

this does not mean my close range dog quits at 400 yards....he usually dont range out futher unless in sign or on a track, just my 2 cents

X2

Lmao! LOL!!!!!!!!!

X2 ;D

Good old garmin has sure helped out this question.  It is now so easy to see how small or big of a circle they are making.  I def think lots of people get range and bottom mixed up!  And this can be hard to judge unless you hunt several times with a dog.  The other day I had one younger dog get out to .89 thought he may be bayed and looked at the map and realized he was still moving all over in about 100 yard area.  So im going to say he was hunting or working a cold track,  then after about 10 min he moved out in a straight line and lost him at 1.2 miles.  Had to drive around to where I lost him to pick him up again, and picked him up at 1.07mi  at this point imsure he had been there for 20min or so buy himself, We had to get in the truck and drive around the roads to him, i'm sure buy the time we had drove the weelers back to the truck, and threw 3 gates and around the county roads it took another 45 min or so.  managed to drive within about 300 yds, and could hear him bayed,  sent a nother young dog to him to help his confidence.  walked in and caught the lil boar weighed about 120.  So what im saying is I have no real way to say if this was range or bottom!  I hope they will make atleast a 300-400 yd circle, but im worried  way more about bottom, than the size of the circle they make!  and yes I agree with what youll have posted about range, being short, med, long.  Long is a real big word to live up to, so if I had to say I would think My dogs are pretty much short to medium range, but at 300-400 yards out its really hard to say if they are just hunting or can smell a cold track! And If they get out to 1mi and dont bay, and come back in, were they just hunting, or could they just not produce the track and lack the bottom to do so!  I dont no exactly what is happening that far out.  sometimes when they get out that far they produce pork , and sometimes they dont.  I have trailed these same dogs several miles, and they produced pork,  so I am hoping they are not lacking bottom, but I have no way to no for sure that far out.   There are so many things that can happed and so many variebels its hard to say.

Now my question.  Drive up on fresh looking sign and have three dogs leave in same direction and go 1mi and all bayed the moment they got there at the same time.  Is this short range?  to me it is short with a little bit of drive!  Im just guessing from what I have read on other post some would call this long range, I wouldnt!   

I also think some people get range and bottom confused bc my dogs stay within couple hundred yds til they smell pigs. And they will go 3-4 miles sometimes on a hog. Some people think that would b long range but I just think its short range with some bottom.

I agree 100%

yeah what we talkin about is range = how far they will go to FIND a track to run . bottom is how far they will run a hog till bayed . i was just askin cause so many people talk about long range dogs an short range dogs  yada yada yada . was wonderin what everybodys def of the ranges was ect ect. some will call a dog makin 1/2 mile circles lookin then check back in no sign this and some call it that . savy ?

I think this. Range is the distance how far a dog hunts out looking for a hog or hog sign                                        bottom is how long a dog stays with a hog after the dog has jumped him                                              imo

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. I beleive. 300 yd short 300 to 700 yds med 700 and up long .give or take a few yds in those ranges jmo

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Yep...And alot of the so called "short ranged" dogs are me too dogs or the type that you have to walk them over the top of hogs.   

short range is quarter mile circle which is 200 yards in any one direction from the handler, medium range is 800 yard circle and 400 yards in any direction from the handler. this dog is covering most of the property inside this circle and can start a decent track from anywhere in this area. This dog stays consistent with the pattern as long as the handler is moving or until a track is started.

anything more than 800 yards is a long range dog and I consider this dog one that hunts more for itself and not the master...

ditto and i agree with ya rueben . i like for the dogs to hunt for me , not me hunt with them .  i think ol mister garmin plays too much as to how people hunt  dogs anymore seems before all these machines and technology dogs worked for the hunter and wouldn't leave the country without checkin in first . in my day anyway .

Yuppers and I have seen a many of short - medium range dog make a long range dog look like a JackAss!  I have seen them long rangers blow out the box and people b saying wooo weee look at that sucker go man alive whata dog.  Next thing you know he is a mile out and my old short to med range dog just got finshed taken a dump and five mins later he is on a hog are a group of hogs now 250 yds out !!!!!!!!!


I have seen a ton of them marthon dogs pass up a ton of hogs on his way to his famous mile !

Lmao !

x2...I have seen it too...the trailblazer rolls out like a scalded dog and starts to hunt a mile away. and then another dog starts a track 250 yards past where the dogs got dumped and ole trailblazer ran right over the track and never slowed down.

yea halfbreed...i just don't want to be hunting dogs when we can be hunting hogs. ;D

i agree on the range... 1/4 short, 1/2 medium, and 1 long, hunting for sign.

the one that always confuses me most when people describe dogs is bottom.

i've always seen bottom as how much a dog can take.

a dog that can hunt all day in an inhospitible enviroment and be just as strong and willing at the end of the hunt as he was when you turned him out, despite the abuse he took during the hunt. you take him home feed him and load him up to go hunting the next day and he is just as fresh as he was the day before.

on cowdogs i would call a dog that i can load up at five in the morning at the start of a hot, dry, day, ride ten or twelve miles to the backside of a rough rocky canyon pasture we will  be gathering, send him ahead, and he strikes hunts and bays cattle all day, only needs three or four drinks of water and is just as strong at the end of the day (and the next, and the next) as when you started that morning, as having bottom.

a horse that can take hard riding/hard use/frequent hauling day in, day out withut being phased has bottom.

a rooster that can take alot of punishment in the pit and win in the drag has bottom.

to me a dog that will stay with a hog on a chase doesn't define how much bottom he has.
it just defines his "stick", or how long he stays "hooked up"....

but, thats only my opinion of what i see "bottom" to mean, it kind of throws me off to see it used so carelessly interchanged with "stick" so often...

Owl,

I liked what you said... 8)

Sounds like you've hunted with a ton of culls then.  How far a dog will range out has nothing to do with how fast it gets there...only that when most dogs loop around and are already hanging around back at the wheeler, that the dog is still out hunting and getting deeper doing it.  A dog that frequently passes up or misses hogs is nothing more than a cull....marathon dog or not.  

  You talk a lot of old times,young guys,etc. How long you been running dogs ?

bout fourty something years how bout you ?

and thats just since i got my drivers license 40 somethin years ago, now you want to add huntin with dad and grandad well it's 50 somethin years  ;D  ;D

" now you want to add huntin with dad and grandad well it's 50 somethin years  "


ROOKIE  :D

ha ha yeah i just started yesterday  ;D

right around 50 years for me...but I strayed a couple times... ;D

ha ha yeah and times have changed . i knock the technology and kids but niether one never ceases to amaze me . times is allways changing. but i allways wonder if it's for the better . i remember when i could and did have all this info stored in my brain phone #'s part #'s addresses now if i lost my phone i couldn't call myself . i think we just rely on it to much . and when the govt. wants to gain full control they will just flip the switches on them sattelites and a whole generation will wonder aimlessly into the obiss  not knowing what to do . been a good discussion enjoyed it . and thaks for the reply's my dogs are for the most part medium range the way i like em .

 I wont own one myself but there is a lot of folks that do love them.   

only around 4 or 5 years for me.

     What part of Texas are you? You arnt south of Austin are you?

SOUTH OF AUSTIN !!!!  hell i'm half injun not half meskin lol j/k  no i'm origanally from down south of dallas around waxahachie . now i'm in north east texas and just hate it . every two acre piece of land out here got three deer stands on it . an i just hate deer hunters like to eat deer but hate the hunters .

HALFBREED, YOUR A TRIP ! YOU'VE ALWAYS GOT SOMETHING FUNNY TO SAY. THANKS FOR KEEPING IT INTERESTING !  :D

I'll be the first to admit that I do love them.  You can knock the range out of one with it bred in, but you can't make one hunt that's not born with it.  Breed 'em to go, and whoop 'em to whoa. 

I agree...