EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I  see this add in Livestockweekly all the time and was just wondering if anybody has ever paid $1000 for one of the pups they sell and how did it turn out?  Do they guarantee the dogs how exactly??  http://www.gistcurs.com  what does a hard nosed dog mean as well to you they mention?  I have never heard of a hard nosed dog in my life??

I know exactly what you mean. I don't know anyone personally that has or would even consider it.

I had that problem a few months ago I was looking for a good female to breed to my male to or a female puppy. All I could find was 500 and up for puppies. In my opinion they just want the money and that is way to big of a gamble to pay that for a puppy

Fools

I bought five and they gave me a bulk rate discount.

So I only paid $ 950 each.

But these beautiful papers with the pretty tile inlayed borders more than make up for the lack of hunt in them.  ;D :o

LET THE GAMES BEGIN! 

LOL

here is the linky   www dot  gist  curs   dot com  www.gistcurs.com   got it this am from livestock weekly classifeds online???

www    gist curs    dot   com  look at livestock weekly online classifeds to see the add for the $10000 pups

If the breeder honestly believes the pups are that good and then values them at that much, they should come with some form of performace guarantee. The guarantee should have some cut offs in it such as the buyer must maintain certain health standards and so on. When hard earned money is spent it should have some form of buyer reassurance.

them borders wouldnt look to good with some #2 smeared on them because thats about all there good for jmo

I almost did a few months ago, it's a good thing that I didnt get paid when I was suposed to, and a fellow Hog Dogger on this forum warned me about him . Let me say, that the only reason that I was considering it, is because he advertised that his pups are garenteed to work or he will replace them,and when you consider all the time and money invested in a pup and If  they turn out to be cull's, it would be worth it!. I should have known better, even the best bred litters seldom produce litters without culls in any!! working breed, and if it's a cull, why would you want it back? to sell to someone else. Now having said that, let me say that I believe that $500.00 is a fair price to pay for a pup when the breeder has spent years working hard to produce a yard of good dogs, and if you do get a good one, you have a dog worth far more than that! anymore and your just in it for the money!!!

I am kinda the opposite. I say the buyer is gonna get exactly what he asked for. Hell price em at $20,000 each.

Let the seller take a picture with all the cash layed out like a trophy shot on the hood of their truck while throwing a gang sign saying " Cant fix stupid but you can profit off em"  Hahaha.

The buyer can take a picture making paper airplanes out of the pedigree while wearing lipstick and highheels with the dog asleep under the fourwheeler.  :D

PLEASE DON'T DO ANY OF THIS GUYS. Most of you wouldn't look cool with blue eyeshadow. Lol

JK JK JK.

why pay 500 or 1000 for a pup when there are some good deals on a dog that is already hunting...the other day a bluetick about a year old that to me sounded like it was on its way to being one heck of a dog and he was being advertised as "FOR FREE". The ad said he trashed on coon and sevral other animals and he ranged out 800 yard loops...man I almost made that call...but the dog was open so it was a cull to this man...to me it depends on how open and when does he open???

another man was advertising a 5 month old pup that had a lot of training and he was already finding pigs and hunting with the big dogs...he was half cur and half pit and he was for 500 dollars...that pup would probably need to be hunted with a vest but I thought he might be a keeper for someone who likes that type of pup...I could have found a place in my yard for this one...

Randy Wright gave me a pup from a litter that sold the litter mates to it for $750 to $1000. I bought 2 pups of Craig  for waaaaaay less than Randy's price and Craigs dogs were leaps and bounds better dogs than the pup Randy gave me or the 2 grown dogs my brother-n-law bought off Randy dog big money. Not saying Randy's dogs are bad , just saying price had nothing to do with quality or the prices would have been turned around. I think this

A- if dogs from a line are really that good you won't ever see them for sale cause there are 15 guys waiting to get there chance at one, be they coon dogs, cat dogs, bird dogs, rabbit dogs, police dogs or what ever dogs

B- no pup i worth a $1000 of hard earned cash to me and if you have $1000.00 to spend on pups I've got some things I need to sell you just call me, if I don't have it I'll find it quick  ;)

Men who breed dogs for the love of the dogs seldom consider money as a factor when breeding a litter, those that think money usually have there true motives bubble up and go public after a while.

( p.s. Best dogs I've ever owned were real real cheap or even free )

God Bless, Waylon

to me a pup is worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
If someone wants to pay that kind of money for pup, so be it.

Let me start by saying $1000.00 is to much for any pup, but if your not willing to pay a fair price for a reg. pup, there are plenty of cross breeds out there, that are available that are probably better dogs than the pure breds! why do you think so many people are doing it, because none! of the breeds being used  today were originally developed to hunt hogs with. Maybe some feed their dogs a scoop of Ol Roy once a week whether they need it or not,LOL, but to my knowledge it cost money to feed a yard of dogs!, if you think that breeders are raking in the dough, your wrong. 

X2!!!!!!!!

The guarantee is not worth the paper its written on nor the signature thats on it.....Unless you want to pay for a lawyer to help you make the man honor his word.   ;D

Id pay that for a pup if it was what I WANT. That's cheaper than raising one to hunting age. Must sell some or they couldn't ask it. Supply and demand.

 


You way way off, there a guy down the road from me never owned his own strain of curs the whole time i knew him, now he got wetbacks rasing the pups in old cotten gin pens, figure it out, they sell 2 litters a year off one gyp, say they have 10 pups each, thats 20 pups to sell, that 20 thousand from one breeder and think other guy is charging $500 each for pups so one gyp gets $10,000, you think about the math again and tell me where they are losing money??  A cur dog averages a 1 pound of dog food a day 365 a year?  20 shots from a wholesale vet supply $1.50 each , they making more money than with cattle, thats why you dont see him with hog dogs, the gyps are too valabule to hunt and get off the production line, yet people will go there and buy pups and not a hog dog or gun on the placelol   Ask somebody why they dont shoot hogs, usually its because they can not own a gun legally!!!lol

john gist does give a performance warrenty on his pups. as far as some1 saying a person that pays that much for a pup is a fool. well to each thier own, you may be considered a fool by others for what you do or what you spend your money on. i paid 1400 for my pup from mr gist and 1500 from randy himself. i would never charge any1 as much as i paid for a pup unless i really dont want the person having a pup.

If you've got that kind of money to spend on a pup, and the inclination to do so, more power to you.  Thats just too damn much money in my book.  for any dog, especially a puppy.  A 1000$ dog can die just as fast and easily as a free one.

when i was making $11,000 a month, i wasnt worried about it. i think the same about paying that much for a pup, but its my money and i chose to spend it how i wanted to. these dogs can die in the woods or by lead just like you said, as easy as a free pup, but i have not been dissatisfied with my pups. to each his own

to each their own, you're right.  I gotta ask though, if I was making that much, and didn't mind spending thousands on a dog, why not buy finished dogs?  Dogs that you hunted behind, and knew they would strike their own hogs?  Why did you choose to buy puppies?

CAN I HAVE A JOB?

PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Haha right, wheres the stack of applications?

sure u can have a job. its called the world wide web, the applications are on the net. find the company that has a job that fits your job trade and submit your resume. not all jobs are paying that, but the aviation community is/was and i used the training from the military and got a contract job. good luck to ya, oh and that kinda money was made overseas, not state side. now to answer your question of buying finished dogs, would sell your finished dog/s?

I think about this a little differently.  Two different points of view:  Personally I cannot afford to pay $1K for a puppy, so I wouldn't.  But I do know of pups from a very specific cross that are worth that much and if I had the money, I would buy them.  If a buyer knows the seller very well and the seller knows the buyer very well, I think the purchase of a dog for $1K is not all theat bad.  I look at it like "insurance".  If the buyer knows for certain that he has a one year full money back gaurantee, he a year to decide about the dog and if it is exactly what he wants a the end of the year, the dog is his.

For the seller, this is a great deal because in my mind, most dogs have not reached full potential until thye are a year old.  I like waiting until 18 months.  For the seller, he gets a guy to pay for feed and shots for a whole year and then he may get the dog back.  Either he gets a cull back and he gets rid of the dog without losing a single dollar, or he gets a 1 year old dog back that has not reach potential (still a pup) that he now owns and has not paid for.  If I bred dogs for money, it would be "how I would go".

I think this is a matter of buying and selling what you want.  Someone who has the money available will pay more sometimes, just becuase they think they are buying something better.

some folks think if the pup cost more it has to be a better line of dogs...kind of like going out of state to get a better
dog. ??? ;D

Guess in all seriousness I would have to say. I wouldn't,  couldn't,  and shouldn't pay that much for a pup. Or sell one for that much either.

How many of you would pay a grand for a common help dog?

I would figure it would be about an 95% chance at best that's what your gonna end up with.

Top knotch dogs are not pulled out of a hat like rabbits they are selected from numerous litters of decent stuff called (Culling) which I wont pay a grand each to do!

If the big name breeder himself called up and said he is running a special for today only and the reduced price was $600 dollars per pup. Still gotta say.....HELL nah brotha...bring him back at a yr and drop him in the woods and I will make a decision to spend that kinda money. Other than that the Casino is taking anyones money that wants to spend it and at least the odds are a lil better on return.   Lol

For the right amount of money, you're damn right I would sell my finished dogs.  Everything has a price...

Were you working as a PC overseas?  Because, I also worked in avionics while in Iraq and I didn't make close to that, more like 20%, and that was on federal pay scale.  Then again, I didn't have dependents or a spouse.  I heard scuttlebutt about some guys raking in money because of multiple children and a spouse that was in the military as well and both of them were deployed at the same time.

Oh, and the application thing was just a joke.  I'm not a rich man, but the field in which I work provides 100% job security.

If ur a soldier or da civilian u wont make no where near 100k, but in the contractor world, yes u can make 100k+ a yr. L3 vertex was paying 27.00hr with time n half aftr 48 n it was 7 12s with 420 a wk in perdium. I quite l3 bc the bullchit started out weighing the pay check n i popped smoke in nov for a company that wanted me to defy dod policy with security clearence, so im tryin to find anothr contractor

any repercussions for blowing the whistle?

Im not sure if i even still work for the company. Im pending an investigation for job abondonment, but i emailed the ceo of the company and fwd him the email conversations between the staff that seem to know my clearence ap would expire the day after i woulda gottn to kuwait. Its the tax payers money to fly me from the states to kuwait, just to fly me back again. Im tired of the waistfulness of our gov n decided to tell mantech to go shoove it

good for you man, that shows hella integrity.

Why didnt your company either have you re clearanced, or notify you of the expiration?

I HAVE FOUND THAT ALL THEM PAPERS IS GOOD FOR IS WIPEING UR ASS OR SCREWING SOMEONE OUT OF HARD OWNED CASH ANY PERSON SELLING PUPS FOR THAT PRICE SHOULD BE SLAPPED THERE IN NO SENSE IN TRYING TO SHAFT SOMEBODY LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEM PAPERS DONT MAKE THE DOG HUNT AND HALF OF THESE HIGH DOLLAR DOGS BLOOD LINE IS CRAP ANY WAY FROM BREEDING SO FAR OUT AND LINE BREEDING

Dude, you should read the dogo pup wanted thread in General.

they did notify me. 2 days before it expired. there was email chatter amongst the staff, but it failed to get dissiminated to me untill the last min. i was raised military and my dad beat integrity and selfless service into me as a child, which made it easier when i joined in 97.

bullnumber 2 on their part. 

Welcome home by the way.

LMAO. Good reply.......LMAO again...

Also great name bud! ;D

 thank, but been hm sinc nov of last yr. just gotta get back out there and make the money while the making is good.

somebody needs to.  Watch your 6 brother.

I hope i dont have to watch it to much. Like the saying says, sleep on ur back or some else will.  ;D 
R u still over there?

been back since early '07

are you military or da civilian now? your avatar shows the back end of an 1114

In my opinion its all about the tr ;Daining of a pup.. yeh good genes helps to get them started but I've had mix dogs turn out to be ten times better then any high dollar papered dog... ur dog is only gunna b as good as the effort u put into training them.. id rather get a that's free or at the most 200. Dollars and turn it into a 3000 dollar dog then spend a grand on a pup and mabe end up with a pretty gopher dog ;D

Just your everyday nasty civilian now, facial hair and all.  that sign was my favorite squiggly dot.

I have sold some even higher than 1000 ive also sold for a lot less I dont claim them to be the best dog walking or anything else far as that goes most of my customers are repet or they hunted with someone that has had dogs from me I hunt my dogs every week I cull hard but I can also say I havent had to cull for lack of hunnting ability in many years

I am a breeder and if you factor in all cost hunting, vet bills, fuel, food ,kennel supplies ,huntig supplies,and hunting transportation you are still  in th hole
so ya if I ca ge the money I get it and if some how I make money I still would put it back into the dogs some form or fassion 


It always amazes me every time this topic pops up the foundation is the only one talked about I can think of a few other lines out there that have same price range if you can get them at all, but I guess cause there are gettig to be so many foundaton dogs out there and many trying to breed and sell pups
we get this response  ;D happy posting

I'm like you airduster, I always laugh when I see this topic come up. As a person that has spent anywhere from nothing to $1000 a pup for dogs there's only a few ways to look at it. If you have that kind of money and you want to spend it that's your business, if you don't have the money or don't wanna spend it, don't cry about the people that do. Nothing anyone buys effects anybody but the buyer and seller. If your not one of those two it's not your place to say what something is worth to someone else. Not saying that every $1000 dog is a good idea, but determining that is up to the buyer. I have a dog now that I paid $1000 for at 6wks old, dog was jam up, hunting machine at a young age. At 15 months old got his hind leg cut off by a big boar. Still hunts good, but not as fast as he was. Bad luck but that is the risk you take with any dog. Wether it costs $5 or $10,000 anything can happen. Each hunter has to decide what he is willing to risk or spend, and that will vary from person to person. Some don't see $1000 as much and others think $300 is a fortune, let people spend what they want, and don't get offended when people spend more than someone else will or can
Anthony

I dont have a dog in this hunt so it dont matter to me either way. I'm not spending 1000k on a pup.  But do ya'll think if more and more people are willing to pay that much then that doesnt drive the market up?  Kind of like a NFL player...Drew Brees agent wants what Peyton Mannings agent got him and so on and so on, the bar keeps being raised...just something to think about dont know if it even correleates.

i agree! I have bought dogs that i thought were over priced but guess what i got what i paid for 10 fold. sometime quality costs. On the same page I have bought a over priced dog that was NOT worth the price of a bullet.. homework is a big factor in buying a pup... do some research before buying a big name dog on the name alone. I would only buy dogs from people that hunt them and know their stock... and then it boils down to supply and demand i guess.  just my thoughts on the subject O0

 steven and anthony, the pups i got from yaw are turning out to be good, just a little slow on learning to leash lead, but they are getting the hang of it. the pup i got from gist curs is good aswell. took him out hunting sun and he did good for his first time out, just didnt get on anything other than cows and deer, but evidently i got a handle on vocal controls with him, bc it didnt take much to get him off the animals. I would say he is begining to be worth the $1400 i paid for him. Ooops, i hope i dont offend anyone bc i paid to much for him according to some that have posted. oh well, you spend you money and I/we will spend our the way we want. you dont like it, dont buy and dont worry about our spendings.

lol x2 yall start earning my money for me, then you can gripe about how i spend it! O0

Black mouth cur pups, Parker pups, or coon hunting pups there is no difference a pup is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.  ;D

there is some back up for me....

man I'm glad I don't chime in on these kinds of threads bc I can only imagine the amount of grief I'd get if people found out I spent 2500 on my wifes lapdog lol or the amount of money I spend on any dog I want. In the end its always up to the person spending the money to spend it how they want.

i know thats alot of money,but i have a cur bitch mainly davis blood every pup out of her has been jam up.not one cull dog i try to keep all of them. if some one ask to buy one they are not for sale or trade. if some one offers 1000 that succers gone lol. usually friends get them for free

i guess thats kind of like buying one of those high price dogos or jagd pups, if a man has an outstanding line of dogs and  i can get something he keeps around for several generations and the line keeps producing very good dogs. yes i would give 1000 for a nice pup. but im gonna know who the dog comes from and plan on hunting with him a few times to say the least the pup will be a female and will never see the woods. will be a brood dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

funny to me how people keep thinking that these dogs are trained to be hunting dogs and not born that way. you can train them to stay at your side. train them not to get in the trash, not to chase deer but you cant train them to go and stay  for three miles for 4 hours through the worh terrain by themselves on the worst ass whoopin they will ever take, thats heart and not anything any human teaches. most humans dont even understand much less teach each it.

If you dont want to pay for a dog with the genectics then dont, when a dog has the pedigree written on paper to back up the genetics and you dont understand it, dont buy it,  or dont have comment on, commenting thay papers are worthless is ignorant  . If want to argue the integrity of the registry, or the falsification of the papers thats different, but just because it has "papers" does not mean that all papers/registeries are worthless. Papers are "records" of genetics, a listing of lineage for purpose of knowledge.

Some people who care about genetics and know its usefulness find it purpose worthy. Many ASK "WHY cant I get a Puppy of that Bloodline?" ANSWER- Well it aint for sale For NO AMOUNT OF MONEY TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE ATTITUDE THAT CANT APPRECIATE IT, and don't respect all the dedication and hard work that go into the preservation of certain bloodlines and traits. The YEARS AND YEARS of time spent working to get what of takes to have proven an outstanding line of dogs, ect, ect.

Then there are others that will SALE it to anybody with a checkbook or credit card,  Just like there are people on this forum that will meet up with people at the roadside park and hand over a thousand dollars for a dog there never seen hunt and never do get there money worth, but yet complain about how bad, bad men told lies on the internet about a jam up dog. YEAH, its the internet.

Others that are willing to part the unsuspecting, from there money, so it takes all kinds to make the world go around and you have to either be experienced, reall lucky or real smart, or take your time be patient and read, listen and learn for awhile to decide

Wow....just checking on some of these posts.....we are still talking about cur pups right?

I keep getting them confused with morgatge payments!  LOL. ;D

.........So if I refinance my pup at 7% for the next 25 years what will my monthly payment be?

J/k guys and girls... seems like inflation is taking its toll on this post.   :-X

I kinda know what you mean this pup market is out of control not that I am complaning ;D cause I am on the receiving end , just last night I had a guy call wantig a female pup which I do not have any for sale as I sold my last one last week and keeping one for myself he proceeded to offer stupid amounts of money for my gype I didnt sell probly stupid for it but I have been waiting along time for this cross and the male and female I kept is not for sale at any price

but yes my morgatge is cheaper than most pups I sell .... maybe i need a bigger place ??? ;)

supply & demand mostly demand