EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

As many on here know I am in politics. I have listen to every speech I ca n from the past as far back as I can to what every politician speaks about know. Illegal Immigration gets brought up by every damn politicians out there from county wide to federal  They all talk about what there going to do but ain't nt a dang one of them done it. I plan on starting as a commissioner and getting my education and moving up the latter. We can fix the US but we need good elected officials.

good luck, but you wont last long if your an honest person with morals.
 motion activated mini-guns set along the border will help in reduction of illegals. it may not be the best method, but its very affective since these bought politics cant do anything about it.

Well charles my mind set is it can be done and I'm going to step off that limb and do it.

 i really hope the best for you. if your honest and moral, i will be the first in the booth and cast my vote for you. our country can use guys and gals like you. im not belittling you, so pls dont take it that way.

I'd love to hear your synopsis on the issue Chance!  ;D  As Floridians we are feeling what would probably be an aftershock of what you all are dealing with...  What are the issues/proposed solutions?  Imagine I know nothing of them.

No I would not take it that way. If people will follow a good leader than a good leader can take them to the battle and win.

Well the real solutions are tough and cold but what has to be done has to be done. The federal government will have to remove every illegal as they catch them. Then declare war on our borders. If you cross your dead. Not on Mexico just on the border. Its a tuff world and it's going to take tuff people to run it.

 from what iv heard, its like spec ops selection. you can get peered out for not following the crowd of crooks. it would be nice for some kind of immigration laws be enforced and ammended to keep our borders partialy shut down. we can see your approach veiws on immigration, but whats the deal with skyrocketing fuel prices and no signs of relief, what and who do we need to start with to get it under control?

You do realize we are all immigrants respectively... how is it not hypocriitcal to try and keep one people out for trying to achieve what our forefather did?

 chance, i would be the first in line for a job to help reduce illegals. can i have the northern border please? my spanglish aint to good.  ;D
i got experience in setting up weapon systems

Can't blame a people for wanting more.  Your ancestors did or you wouldn't be here Charles  ;)

The bad part is everyone high enough to actually do something wants to be reelected and minorities have a large voting percentage.  My wife works for the state and trust me she has some pretty bad storys on how they are taking advantage.  There are some good ones here that work and do good but dang some sure are a rat in our tax dollars.  I wish you the best cward.  because of the way the public is now there is nothing we can do the only way to ever put a stop to it is put the fear of god in them (charles idea would work well) it will never happen.  That or the mexican economy strengthens.  I'm afraid there is not much back bone left in the american people as a whole for anything to be done more anyways   

Well one can say just about anything on fuel but in the end. It really boils down to the suppliers. There would have to be more government control over them but in reality do you want the government to be in control over them. The less the federal government controls the better we our.  But if Obama turns the oil companies loose on there prices they will start hiring more people witch makes his creating jobs look good for his election. Then he will blame the high cost of oil on the oil companies watch and see.

i dont know about you, but i was born here in this country which makes me an american. my great grand father was an immigrant and he didnt come to exploite this country, he helped build it and fled from nazi germany before the war started. what immigrants come for is the hand outs now. have you tried to get a government loan to start a company to help he kids out? i did and got denide, was told off the side that i was a u.s. citizen, white and a male. our country cares more about what other countries think of us than they do for their own hard working citizens.

Noah I will agree with what you are saying a 100 percent. I will not say what we did to the Indian was right. We got here and took away something that was not ours. The indians fought long and hard and lost in the end. Now we are here and it is ours if we don't fight to keep it then we will loose it just like the indians. I cant fix what happened then but we can hold what we got.

it's my understanding we have plenty of immagration laws in place , just the feds refuse to enforce them . when i was a young man i remeber the raids on construction sites happened every day . and the illigals was loaded up and sent home . how longs it been since you've heard of a ins raid lately .

my great grandfather saw what was happening in germany and didnt want any part of it. he put his family on a boat for here, got off, got a job and helped build this country, not stand there with his hand out wnating gov handouts for sitting on his butt.

HAHAHA, Charles, I do admire your fire... but you need to read the history books brother... when your ancestors fell off the boat I PROMISE you they were chastised as intensely as you rail against the Mexican onslaught....   we are all aliens in the big picture... ashamedly, it is human nature to discriminate, chastise those that are the "new" alien to "our" little world....   not the answer gentlemen...

So,Noah you think we should welcome them with open arms.

 i dont know about your ancestors, he didnt fall off the boat. from what my grandfather told me, he walked proudly off the boat, glad to be out of germany. my grandfather worked hard his whole life in the oil field sector. that old man even after his 2 heart surgerys could work circles around guys have his age, especially the young men of nowdays, including myself.
now i dont have an issue with immigration, as long as its not for a handout and as far as the mexicans, we have more to worry about from the north just as we do the south. we get garbage crossing both north and south. the statue of liberty says, give us your tired, hungry and poor. well is not the american who are tired, hungry and poor nowdays? take care of our own citizens before handing out my tax money to some border jumper.

the statue of liberty says, give us your tired, hungry and poor. well is not the american who are tired, hungry and poor nowdays? take care of our own citizens before handing out my tax money to some border jumper.
[/quote]

oops, ment to say its the americans who are tired, hungry and poor.

Get em Charles!

Chance,when your plan of action all falls into place,would you be so kind as to leave my mexican here so i dont have to pick stalls in the mornings ;)

My pawpaw saw the same thing happening in Germany. So he came to America and farmed till the war broke out and then he fought against his own family pretty much. Then he came back and farmed till he was to old. I never new him to take a handout from anybody. But I know illegal Mexicans that are the same way nowadays. I've deffinately worked with my fair share and have seen the ones that want nothin but a free handout and also the ones that work harder than any white I've ever seen so they can feed there family here and the ones still in Mexico I guess since I'm a driver for a construction company I see more illegals  than most people and have a different point of view

 roo, if it will put americans back to work. i will come up there and muck your stalls for you.  ;D

Man,I don't know about leaving a Mexican an a aussie in the barn together things might need to split there might become a new breed of horse. ;D

I agree with noah on one point we are all immigrants but there is one big big difference between the immigrants that we are vs the illegal immigrants being referred to here. Most of our ancestors came over on boats, passed through an immigration station and either went to work or joined the military to help either build or support the country and earned their rights to.be here. The illegal immigrants that flood through our borders now are not on record as even being in the country. There are many caught several times committing rapes, robberies,etc. and what do we do slap them on the wrist put them in jail.for a few weeks give them food and meds and then ship them back home so they can cross the border again to repeat the process. It seems really simple to me, in Mexico if you are caught there illegally you are thrown into a Mexican prison for an undisclosed amount of time basically till they get tired of holding you and Mexican jail is not like American jail... Then you may make it home or.you may be killed. In any other country in the world if you are caught there illegally you are severely punished or killed no questions asked. If they are here as a legal immigrant working on their citizenship then by all means let them stay and try to better themselves and their families situation, on the same note if they ate here illegally then they should be dealt with accordingly not rewarded by being able to stay in haven cities or able to get any government assistance that the have not and will not pay into to help support.

 :o

It is a known fact of most government models that a "growing" nation begets prosperity... Economics 101.

When a nation's native population cannot keep up with the percentage of growth necessary to maintain stimulation, immigration comes into play...

Immigration of people that are interested in becoming citizens and paying their dues like the rest of us "natives" lol...

Complex issue I'd love to hear more educated facts about...

Being a predominantly Texas site, I do not presume to gather a bunch of support.  I cannot accurately relate to the direct impact of fresh imports that you all deal with... but, as an outsider, I welcome the description so I/we might understand.

i used to do construction in my home town and worked side by side tying rebar with a mexican. he worked long hrs as we all did, and would out tie most of us. my guard unit in lufkin got activated for operation noble eagle/border security. i went down to mcallen and would see pregnant women crossing over about ready to pop. the ICE folks said they would come over, get a 30 day visa, have their kid/s. the kids are automaticly citizens, the mom didnt have to go back till the child turned 18, but by then they had already petitioned to get their whole dang family visas and on top of that, our tax dollars had to foot the bill for medicade since the illegal didnt have health care insurance. what is wrong with that? i guess we should just open our arms with a warm and fuzzy.  >:(

Noah when I came to Florida the first thing I said was I have not seen anyone down there that looks illegal. When you come to Texas I will show what they do.

Immigration is simple. If humans have a chance at a better life somewhere else they will go there.

The Polish flocked to Germany at the fall of the Berlin wall because there was a better life. They were looked down upon

The German, Irish and Jews all flocked to the U.S. at the turn of the century for a better life. They were treated as they were uneducated and poor immigrants. They were looked down upon no matter what someones great grandaddy tells them now.

The Nicaraguans are looked down as dirt to the educated and "Americanized" Costa Ricans.

It is human nature. No one on this site if they had to beg for scraps of food would not do anything possible to feed there family.


I have lived in a wealthy Carribean country and they had Zero immigration problems. If a business got caught hiring an illegal the first fine was $500,000 the second fine was $1,000,000. They did not have to have a third penalty.

You take away the demand and there is no need for a supply.


The drawback.....the Americans on welfare would have to pick there own fruit!

 well since evidently i am an immigrant. im gonna petition the government to change my ethnic background to german american. since we got mexican-americans, african-americans, asian-americans and so on. its bullchit. i amy not be a native american indian, but i am dang sure an american, not an immigrant who served, got shot at and fought for this rundown chithole government that gives my tax money to bunch of filthy beggers who would make better fertilizer for our tx valley crops.

Charles I wasn't sayin I agree with illegal immigration. But the way you worded it made it sound like they all come lookin for a handout. Hell I wish they'd all go back so I could find a half decent job

Truly a subject that is fundamentally "fuzzy" in my mind... most Mexicans/Cubans (do you all see a difference socio/economically?) that I deal with are an EXTREMELY hard working people... which I RESPECT!!!!!   As long as they pay their fair share of taxes I have no problem with them.

Please someone spell out the great plague of the "Mexicano" for a dummy like me...

Charles, I'm sure you served with some Mexicano troops in your ventures... probably some good ones no?

gettem cward hope u got all yur ducks in a line. ever get in a bind just ask yur wife for help, cause momma nose best.

well I work as a concrete super , 20 years ago it was all whte older men , I was the next generation , now days there arnt many young white people coming in to the trade and with over 3 hundred people in my company there are only 5 or so blacks , the mexicans build the majority of everything  in construction, the goverment knows there here , they pay taxs and get a return , they work , there on time , all of mine dont do drugs , family men , good people , good hearts , my opinion from hiring lots of people is that most white workers coming in the trade cry alot and are lazy or just one geared , if the construction trade  lost the  illegals it would take years train a new work force and there arnt that many legal people willing to work or learn the consructon trade , the mexicans havent got it at home and want a life or the so called american dream so they risk there life and family to get it , three days across the desert with little water , alot die and dont make it and then there are people here that could give a crap at all about work or the american  dream just sponging ,workers comp , disability when not disable , unemployment forever when theres plenty of work , robbing , cant seem to come to work on time or every day , drama out the a$$ , ect. I know that not all illegals are good people but I think the goverment should help the ones that can prove they have been employed for a period of time or  have a  way they can stay here and become a citizen  with out worring about being deported, I dislike any cry baby , lazy , sponge  black or white , ect . and from working around a lot of people over the years the mexicans are not them  ,  just my 2 cents

im in the same boat, lookin for a job. i been unemployed for nearly a month now, but fixn to change and aint ask for a hand out yet. not all look for a handout, but i would bet more than 75% cross over and want a handout.

 actually no noah, only 1 even gave chit about this country. the other 4 only joined to get their citizenship and bring the rest across or from the islands. iv delt with soldiers that only joined for the free education and didnt give 2 chits to even do their jobs,just wanted the free education. i have issues with soldiers who didnt join to serve their country, but for its handouts. if it wouldnt have been illegal, i would threw them out the back of helo over the desert.

You seein' exactly what I'm seein' bob...    I ain't never been too keen on unions... I believe a man should be paid for what he can do, period.   In this day and time, if you want a job... you can get one... but you got to want it... nobody gonna give it to you, nor should they.

HAHAHA, I love your to the point-ness bro  ;D

why does it always have to be thougt that most illegals come from the mexican border ? theres pleanty of asian illegals russians an europeans that come illegal from the coast west an east , an most are hard working trying to provide for there familys the same as any of us  would do , some even pay taxes an never get a tax return ,
i belive if more americans were willing to work instead of sit on welfare an do nothing with there lives then we would have it alot better we need to get our own people working an have half as much work ethic as most illegals

i know its coming some ones gonna say well some peolpe dnt wanna be on welfare an such yes i know that but some do , includeing my own sister she is 32 an has maybe work 3 weeks her whole life she just rides the system , anit got nothing an will never have nothing an has no desire to have anything or yet even get a job ,
i work 6 days a week sometimes 7 an its the sorry lazy welfare  no workin us citzen son of a guns that pisses me of more than any hard working illegal , one of my good buddies is from mexico an has work visa he is a hard workin law following guy an i asked him if he didnt get a visa what he would do an he said he guessed he would do what all the others do sneak over here , gotta do what yoy gotta do to provide for you an your family

well I'm not going to jump in on this one other than to say I'm mexican, I was born and raised here. My wife whom I love dearly is also mexican who was born I'm Mexico. Yes she is illegal. Without going into much detail for my wife to become a citizen she has to go back to Mexico for 2 years. We have two children a home a life and she still must go back to become a citizen. Obviously this isn't going to happen and I told the immigration agent this on our last appointment in Houston. He said ice could come to our house and take her. I told him over my dead body. So I'm opposed to deportation and feel sorry for the poor souls that come to take my family away.

 noah i call it how i see it, if it looks like a pig, grunt like a pig and roots like a pig. guess what, its a pig.. aint 1 post been in anger to ya. your a good partner for debating. i will agree with some posts. there are good hard workin immigrants, but its those illegals that need to go. if they do it the legal way and obide by the laws just as the citizens have to do, then go for it, to an extent. i do agree that there are some lazy sorry a$$ americans and they need to be deported midway across 1 of them big ponds and thrown overboard for shark chum. iv done construction, busted my a$$ in the commercial and industrial construction working 6-7 days a week, 12hrs a day. i did 7 12s from jan to late aug when i cam ehm on vacation and didnt take a singal day off unless i was switching from days to nights or nights to days. if we would cull the chitty americans and illegals, it open the job market with 100s of new jobs or less competition.

if you were born and raised in america, then your an american, not a mexican. there shouldnt be a catagory of mixed countries. your either 1 or the other. i understand not wanting your wife to go back due to the kids and all, but if she wants to be a citizen, then she ought to obey the law. it sucks, but its what has to be done. ive been married for nearly 9yrs and only been with my wife for a little over 2yrs. i understand you not wanting her to go, but obey the law as we all do or suffer the consequinces.

we needa cull some of these lazy americans haha

"if we would cull the chitty americans and illegals, it opens the job market with 100's of new jobs or less competition".... and there you go...    FACT of a free market, capitalist economy...  only interrupted by government or union-esque associations...

This is the new economy in America... you get paid what you're wiling to fight for, what you're worth... fine by me.

.... now if the cost of living would only catch up with this fact lol...  ;D

 I AM NO WAY affiliated with government or unions. i believe equal pay for equal labor, not bc your a supposed minority or female. if you cant do the job and meet average standards, not droping the standards to meet their inadequate limits. a fare pay for a fare days work. you are 100% correct noah on getting paid for your worth.

Company's do "hand out jobs" because they have to, to certain so called minorities.
   I agree with some Mexicans being extremely hard workers, tobacco use to be very big business around here, before the government screwed that all up. And there were a lot of Mexicans that would come here to work, and most worked hard.
Noah, I see where your coming from and agree to a point. I have no problem at all and couldn't blame anybody for wanting to better there family. BUT There are LEGAL ways of doing that.
   I also agree with chance and Charles to a point also. My problem is with the illegals. and yes their are plenty that come for a hand out, they have said we go to America where everything is FREE. BUT.....At the same time, just as has been said, there are just as many AMERICANS on welfare, disability, unemployment and so on.
    In my opinion, if they want to come to America, fine.....but instead of giving them free loans, no taxes for 5 yrs and all of that, have them PAY some kind of immigration  taxes for x amount of yrs. Or something to that effect.
  Not just Mexicans either.
And ad far as these sorry, lazy, whiny Americans, suiting on there sorry hindends with their hand stuck out. Well.  Thats a whole other topic.

yep I'm American but am also proud to be hispanic and there's nothing wrong with that is there? And if I could go back to the day her parents brought her over and  ask them to wait for her to get a passport and do the process legally I would, but sadly I cant . And that maybe the case for a lot of other people too.

 there is nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage, but i dont go around saying im a german, bc im not. i am a 2nd gen american. its either 1 or the other. i dont go around flying the german flag, so if your that proud, then get to walkin. i used to fly the american and tx flag, but have not errected a flagpole again to fly them flags at my new hm. obey the laws or suffer the repercussions.

Not a dang thing wrong with being Hispanic, heck im Irish, German, and Cherokee Indian. Im all mixed up LOL.

Hell, you an I might just be related then  ;) ;D

haha, you must have got all the brains in the family then.

 ;D

I'm still waiting on someone to spell out the "great immigration problem" as it relates to the national economy.

tnhillbilly that's a good mix right there  :) and Charles spoken like a true hero  ;)

all this could be fixed with 1 simple rule ,  .... and its in the bible - let them that won't work not eat !


either pull your own weight and help your neighbor when he can't , or get the hell out , or starve  ... i don't care which .

So... you're sayin' 97% of Americans would starve under those conditions...  ;)

X 2

 mr tom, ur rite. there aint nothing wrong with meicans, irish, scotts, krauts, and so on, but how can you claim  1 country, but born in this country. its good to have heritage pride, but also have american pride if your an american, especially Native american. them tribal flage should fly higher than the american flag.

Some of my closest friends are just like you Charles... you speak from the heart... which when pointed in the right direction, changes the world.

...I also have a regular habit of havin' ta slap some sense into your type HAHA  ;) ;D  No disrespect intended.   

you feel froggy, jump. im your lilly pad, i will ball you up. aint nothin but air and opertunity betweem us. ( inhaling) there goes the air. aint no disrespect taken noah. my pops always said to speak what on your mind and be honest about it.

Yep, there it is  ;D

 there what is ?????

i don't know the % of people not pulling their own weight but if the boot fits use it to kick shcitt . just like culling useless dogs , it's got to be done or you will soon have so many they will eat you out of house and home  ;)


you gotta draw the line somewhere   - might as well put it where it goes to start with

John and Charles X 2.  Yes lots of Americans would starve, but it would be of Thierry own doing. I have been taught my whole life, if you don't work, you don't eat. That would eliminate ALOT of our economical problems. IMO.
not talking about the ones who actually cant work, but the ones that wont and milk the system. I think thats where a lot of the problem lies. With all the crooked Dr and lawyers.
My great, great grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee Indian, but also have ancestors that are immigrants from Ireland and Germany so I can see both sides of the pic.

Charles, don't want anybody to think I'm disrespecting you, cuz I ain't.   Your type is who I typically get along with.  My one and only "best" friend is a special forces army ranger, hard headed as they come... more heart than a person could ever ask for... but sometimes mis-guided in direction.   I respect him regardless of our agreements to disagree...

 a possible solution for this country's immigration policy would be to enforce what there, strengthn in the weak areas, if your an illegal, jailed for any felony conviction, instead of using tax dollars to house and feed them, execute them as soon as sentence is passed. they hav no leagl obligation to begin with. limit the allowed entires per yr, cull the worthless americans, set up remote weapons platforms, if need be put armed AMERICAN troops to secure our borders with shoot on site policy. it sucks, but like previously stated, in other countries, if your caught you get either tried, convicted and killed or a more swift method of kill on site. do a full background ck on those wanting to enter leagaly and if no info, no entry.

 noah, if any1 thinks you are disrespecting me, then evidently they cant read and need more reading course. you have NOT disrespected me any way. you have been a good debating partner. is he special forces, or army ranger? those are 2 seperate spec ops groups, 1 more lethal than the other, or was he in a ranger bat and a SF group at different times?

An effective game plan certainly... not so unlike what Hitler's regime had designed however...  wonder why that didn't work out?

Thankyou Charles, I believe you and I would get along in person quite well...  he was ranger/inducted into special forces.... still crazy as hell haha... I cannot tell you the number of times I have kept him from going to jail... but there is no other person I would want to be with when the chit hits the fan.

 hitler wasnt the only leader to do that. look at the romans,asian mongrals, russians, arabs. they all had/have troops put on there borders to help secure them. in germany rite now you cant become a citizen unless you have a job, you cant get a job unless your a citizen, german sposored contractor or military. when i flew into germany on my way hm for vacation, i ask some germans about becoming a citizen and was told about the above statement. in that country you either join the military, go to college or join a civil service program. i cant speak for other countries bc iv only been around krauts since i was stationed on a kraut nato base for 11 months.

Good intel, guess that's why we don't give a chit what Germany thinks... along with France and the other milk-toast EU...  ;D

I still want to hear a straight forward explanation from representative Ward about how the Mexican Hoard is specifically affecting the American economy and how he proposes to address it(aside from automated robot machine-gun turrets along the US/MX border  rolleyes ;D)

 if we dont give a chit, then explain to me why we are still in NATO or the UN? we pay 200mil a yr to stay in the NATO and 100mil in the UN, not to mention the base of the world bank which our government in trying to wrap us in which is in the europe. we pay billions out every yr to other countries who aid our enemies, talk chit about us to toher countries, wont back us in a NATO involved war. if we can atleast get our immigration lined out, it will be a start. get them crooks out of the senate, crongress and the white house and put people who have true morals and integrity and loyalty for our country.

 ahh once again a topic has gotten off track . america still today accepts the tired the poor and hungry . wich is a good thing BUT and it's a big BUT we have a process with wich to accept entry into this country . and that is what is being ignored buy the illegals from whatever country or nationality . the laws NEED to be inforced . this country can only support so many at a time . and the illegals creat so much trouble in the way of breaking laws , [ not robbing liqure stores ect.] but for every one on a job to get around the law is usually working off of a stolen social security number that was sold to them by someone that is in the biuss. of selling stolen papers just so they can get hired . the laws have got to be inforced .

 have you heard of the NAFTA super highway? its a highway cooridore coming out of mexico going up I35 in central tx and HWY 59 in east tx, leading up to canada for transport of commodities manufactured in all the countries. you want another impact, look under the hood of your car/tck and tell me where assymblies and sub-assymblies where assymbled and then shipped back to the us to sell to the consumer.

I truly believe if the REAL numbers were shown, the amount being spent on "social" maintenance would be but a drop in the bucket when compared to what is being spent overall...  I propose that we are simply more cognisant of that which we are accustomed to dealing with.

Would you rather your car's parts be assembled in China or Mexico?  I'll take Mexico.

 i would rather in the U.S. even the so called american motor companies crap is assymbled in either cananda or mexico, very little mdae here. a lot of our steel is shipped to china, smelted, manufactered into new steel, and then shiped back to us, costing more in all aspects. you boys in fl dont have a direct impact of mexicans, but yet yaw the puerto ricans, the upper east coast gets the europens and wewtern russian and the east cost get asian immigrants that may start legal, but some end up say screw it, i'll stay here till they catch me, and as with halfbreed said, using stolen ss cards and other fake docs to hide out and eat us out of house and home.

Again, I'd like to see the numbers... I doubt, as incriminating as those numbers may be, that the "draw down effect" of the illegals is the predominant contributing factor to our declining economy...

I don't have any numbers but I do know that if someone comes to this country illegally, they get paid under the table. That means they do not pay income taxes, social security, or medicare. But they drive on our roads, their children attend our public schools (its law in Texas that any child legal or not can attend public school), they recieve medical service and can get food stamps that are all paid for by law abiding American citizens through money taken out of our paychecks. And because Texas has a huge border to Mexico, they are pouring in.

 I also do not blame people for wanting a better life for themselves and their familes. But please do it legally and pay into the system like everyone else. Its hard enough on people to have to support their own families in this economy much less supporting illegal imigrants as well.

http://www.minutemanhq.com/state/read.php?chapter=TX&sid=946

I haven't read all the posts but have read a few...but I probably will pi$$ off a few...

if the truth be known everyone here comes from somewhere else...me being hispanic probably means at least half my ancestors were here way before the majority here can claim for themselves...but to me it is not about that...and some like to say, if you can't speak english you don't belong here...blah blah blah...Well, as a kid I knew bohemians, Germans, who could barely speak english and from what I have seen most if not all hispanic kids born here prefer to speak english...the parents that came from mexico can barely speak english but they give it a good try...but from what I have seen the third generation will speak english and they very seldom speak spanish unless speaking to an elder that can't speak it well...and my bet is that this is exactly how it happened with all other races...but that is small patatoes and it is the kind of talk that you will hear from the small minded...

I do believe that at some point in time we need to shut the borders down and stop letting folks into the USA...We are like a big ship that is taking on too many passengers and we are about to sink if we don't make the required changes now...

The USA has been a leader and we have a very high standard of living compared to other parts of the world...

Picture 2 big barrels that are side by side and they have an equalizing line at the bottom and one at the top to break the vacuum. The full barrel represents the USA's standard of living and the empty one represents other third world countrie's standard of living...Open the equalizing lines between the 2 barrels and our standard of living starts to drop...and the empty barrel increases...we meet in the middle and we are screaming because our standard of living is dropping off but the third world countries are rejoicing and tickled pink because theirs is improving...they now drive cars and not bicycles...and now have central heat and air...wow...

Our economy suffers for so many reasons...I do not know the answers but do have my theories and opinions...

We want to stop the mexicans from coming over but these guys work twice as hard and don't complain and they work for less money...As a small business owner one would take notice...You ask a third generation US born employee to do a task and they balk and get pi$$ed and say it is not their job...BLAH BLAH BLAH...almost like these guys have a union card and pay dues...and then we wonder why so many companies want to go to other countries to start a business or to move their business there...

Oh and another thing...we take bids on our house for repairs and the construction company wants $75,000 dollars for repairing a 100,000 dollar house when complete and then this other fly by night company has nothing but illegals working for him and that company bids $35,000...so who get's the job...Our income is like a pie...everyone wants a piece of it and there is only so much to go around...let me see...do I buy a new truck for me or a new car for the wife??? can I afford to go hog hunting twice a week or once every 2 weeks...Oh I have utities bills to pay, cell phone, internet, house payment...etc...etc..

And then we don't want to buy american because the pie only has so many pieces so we buy chinese and mexican products...

So our economy is sinking further....

Then we do not want to drill or run that pipeline from canada so the price of fuel keeps going up...true we might be polluting but we must look at the big picture...we need to drill while we make natural gas the next big energy source for driving and powering america...not only because it is a cleaner fuel but because it is plentiful here...this fuel makes the most sense and not ethonal or even fuel pruduced from algae...but it creates jobs and it could be something to continue to research and improve on...

So we do not want to drill for oil but china and india are industrializing and they need more oil because they are switching from the footmobile and bicycle to drive cars and trucks...but the pipelines are not getting bigger in the middle east to increase production (SUPPLY) to meet the demand but the demand is going up...when demand goes up the price goes up...and whoever can pay it gets it...china and india are closer to the middle east than we are...I just hope that china and india are dependant on our economy...because if they don't need us and they can afford 10 dollars a gallon we are screwed and tattoed...just sayin...

so are we going to be stupid or be forward thinkers and do the right thing...

So the economy is still sinking...

Then we have these welfare programs that some never worked for and yet they get all the benefits...and a citizen that was born and raised in the states has paid in to the system religiously for as long as he has worked and he has worked for 30 years and all of a sudden bad luck strikes...and he gets hurt and disabled but he does not qualify for government help because he owns his house and has a little money put back in the bank...so he is not elgible for help until he exhausts his money and agrees to give up his house to the government when he and his spouse pass away...

the welfare programs are great but they are set up for people to want to stay in that rut...need to have it set up to help people out of that situation and become contributors to the system and not takers...but the system should be there for those who truly need it...

it is going to get to the point where the working folks are going to be so taxed that they just might be better off getting on that taker plan just to get a few days off now and then...cause there standard of living is getting taxed/exhausted....from paying for all those that can't work or don't want to work...

We can fix social security, welfare etc etc...there are solutions...heck I could write the rules in one day and maybe tweak on them now and then but we would be moving in the right direction...which is getting folks to work even for the welfare check and drug test them just like any other job...unemployment...no problem...but you will work for your check...sounds pretty easy to me...

So we can talk about illegal immigration...and yes we need to fix it...but it is a minor fix...when comparing it to the grand scheme of things...

We tend to get tunnel vision and look for scapegoats or the easier things to fix...true even the smaller things add up...and left alone can only get worse...

We need to multitask and to fix our country...



 

Also have so much red tape here to start certain businesses so they move...

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that so much of this and there won't be enough jobs in the USA to go around...

Dont know if it true but interesting!!


So how come Missouri has NO ILLEGALS?
Read the answer. Isn't it funny how simple answers
are available for just about everything...

Missouri has no illegals, go figure...
Missouri's approach to the problem of illegal immigration
appears to be more advanced, sophisticated, strict and
effective than anything to date in Arizona.
Do the loonies in San Francisco, or the White House,
appreciate what Missouri has done? When are our fearless
President and his dynamic Attorney General going to take
action to require Missouri start accepting illegal immigrants
once again?
So, why doesn't Missouri receive attention?
Answer: There are no Mexican illegals in Missouri to demonstrate.
The "Show Me" state has once again shown us how it should
be done. There needs to be more publicity and exposure
regarding what Missouri has done. So, let's pass this around.
In 2007, Missouri placed on the ballot a proposed constitutional
amendment designating English as the official language of Missouri.
In November, 2008, nearly 90% voted in favor!
Thus, English became the official language for ALL governmental
activity in Missouri . No individual has the right to demand
government services in a language OTHER than English.
In 2008, a measure was passed that required the Missouri Highway
Patrol and other law enforcement officials to verify the immigration
status of any person arrested, and inform federal authorities if the
person is found to be in Missouri illegally. Missouri law enforcement
officers receive specific training with respect to enforcement of
federal immigration laws.
In Missouri, illegal immigrants do NOT have access to taxpayers
benefits such as food stamps and health care through Missouri
Health NET.
In 2009, a measure was passed that ensures Missouri 's public
institutions of higher education do NOT award financial aid to
individuals who are illegally in the United States .
In Missouri, all post-secondary institutions of higher education
are required to annually certify to the Missouri Dept. of Higher
Education that they have NOT knowingly awarded financial aid
to students who are unlawfully present in the United States.
So, while Arizona has made national news for its new law, it is
important to remember, Missouri has been far more proactive
in addressing this horrific problem - but on a gradual basis.
Missouri has made it clear that illegal immigrants are NOT welcome
in the state and they will certainly NOT receive public benefits (that's
social benefits) at the expense of Missouri taxpayers.
DON'T JUST DELETE THIS AMERICA ....
KEEP IT GOING UNTIL WE GET ALL 50 STATES TO COMPLY!
 
 
 
 

I did missouri,sounds like a no BS aproach that is very effective. Why are other states not following their lead??

see ya,  going to work with my mexican workers.They aint lazy and they aint cheap. the government could get em out if they wanted they just dont want to. blending of cultures is good for the progressive one world goverment types. politicians in mo. blabbered all about this $10,000 fine for hiring an illegal. I had a kid who had been here since he was a baby who worked for me and was good so i talked to a lawyer about getting him permanent residence card so i wouldnt get fined she said if i got caught it is only 250.00 fine in reality. I couldnt believe it it was all over the news how they were making the penalty so tough... but it was only on paper  I looked into it a little more and found, even  most of the republicans only make a show about border security. They want em here. any talk from them about punishing business for hiring illegals wont be enforced unless the business doesn't do what the gov wants in another area then its a weapon. I wish no illegals were here but if the gov wont get serious about it. might as well work the good ones at least their not meth heads and they aint going home they are here because the gov wants em here. Thats the attitude of  elected gov. now days. who cares what the people want. Its all about what the un wants ,screw the people of America. If we put on to much pressure they just pass a token law that changes nothing. We think we made our voice heard. They get their progressive agenda furthered. everyone's happy, I just look for good people now to associate with  dont care where they are from i cant blame them for wanting a better life. Its the us governments fault for not fulfilling its primary function. The big traitors

 i can agree with jagd and grittydog. our government needs to wash their mouth out with a load of buckshot and let us start over. there are to many yellow bellied chicken chit people who call themselves americans who are helping pull this country further into the crapper. i get tired of having to make a selection at an atm or a government number to have info displayed or spokein in english. reuben, if what you are saying is correct, that the old generation can speak english and the young would rather, then please explain to me why i have to make a language choice? you say you are from hispanic decent that was probably here before the majority of our ancectors came across, well i thought the hespanics came from the cross breeding of spaniard exploiers with the indians down that way. if i am wrong, please correct and inform me on the hispanic background.

i really dont care what part of the world you are from, if you are legal or illegal, learn to speak english. plain and simple. you come here legaly, stay long enough to apply for you citizenship, then you should learned to speak english by then. our gov shouldnt bend over backwards to change the natuarlization laws that allow you take the american oath in your native tounge. if you cant speak, dont want to or dont care to learn to speak english, then please feel free cull yourself. im no immigrant, just as none of yaw are if you were born here, but atleast be proud of being and american, no matter your heritage and learn to speak the language of this country. the international language is english, but yet this gov allows garbage to free flow into our country  and doesnt give a dang if you speak english, as long you can get a fales SSN, cast a vote their directions. CLOSE OUR BORDERS, as reuben said, before we sink.

FYI

There is no official language of the U.S.


English is the third most spoken language

1. Mandarin(Chinese) spoken by 1.2 Billion people speakers

2. SPANISH spoken by 400 million native speakers

3. English spoken by 329 million native speakers

Crack a book sometime....it might do you some good! ;)

I saw clamp the border down as tight as you can and then.... Anyone black white Hispanic oriental whatever who is currently in jailfor a more than a 40 year sentence ought to be humanely euthanized. Ain't no point in keeping them around endlessly. I believe in spankings, not time outs, get the punishment over and move on.

That's pretty well it for me, I don't like criminals, but I do like most illegals I work with. I speak half decent Spanish so I've found that a lil common decency goes a long way when some folks are used to being treated like dogs.

Cajun, i think u should crack a book. How much international traveling do you do? The amount of people that speak a language dosent set the world language. Goin from book cracking numbers, we should be speaking chineese. Come on pull ur head out of your third point of contact. English is the international laguage bc it is reconized in nearly every country in the world. U might want to travel world while reading chineese books

X2 a good leader will get good followers an anything can be done!!!!!! Best of luck!!!!!!

AMERICAN GREED is why we have such a big problem with illegals,our goverment,politicians set the cost of our so called STANDARD of living.for us to supply them with their SOL,for doing nothing i mite add,and for the work force to keep up with our own SOL,we have to raise prices on food ,housing,utilities.BUT,when the gov.makes it easier for companies to lower their production cost ,outsourcing work to forein countries,hiring illegals that will work for half of what it takes a LEGAL worker for to pay his bills.
  american workers are NOT accustomed to eating and living and commuting 11 or 15 people to 2 room house and 1 vehicle.we spend all our $$$$ right here in the good ol USA,not takin it and shippin to another  country.
  i worked hard all my life ,started when i was 15 ,52 now, to keep what i have HERE.home that i built ,had new vehicles(no more). built  my own constuction company over those yrs. only to have most of it taken away by OUR system.when builders and project managers say we cant pay your price on a bid because we can get it done for half the price ,and make a higher profit margin cause you know they arent makin any less for their services,whats a person to do .well they say hire you some illegals,OVER MY DEAD BODY.
   just my take on the matter of illegals and the condition THIS place is in.
oh yeah i dont qualify for any help because of the things i own .FRICKIN AMAZING

X2 I definately agree with the people in jail part of this!! Why let the tax payers dollars feed an house the criminals for years an years. The way I see it those guys may not have the easiest life in there but at the same time they have no bills three hots an a cott most of them have access to television an they can get an education all free of charge!! In my opinion there are to many people now days who believe in time outs when there should be spankins necessary!!!!! I also think this country needs to be whooped back into shape not just put in time out so the so called leaders can think about the problems!!

Very ture mutlycrew n t-bob

In my opinion this country needs a good ol country boy with morals an common sense as a leader!!!! I think this countr need to go back to the basics, keep our nose in our own business an worry more about our people an our country than we do about everyone else's!!!! Like I said this is just my opinion!!!

I think you will find very little support for that, including the SC.

Your opinion is 100% correct mutly, but untill americans get rid of their blinders and that yellow stripe down their backs and get them parasites currently in office, out. The 1s and 2s of honest and moral politicians wont make a difference

Very few politician, R or D, care to solve illegal immigration.  It is actually rather simple.

Go to Seattle and you will find illegal immigrants.  Travel a short distance to Vancouver and you will find none.  Why?  Because Canada penalizes any employer who employs an illegal immigrant.  In other words, they have taken away the economic incentive for an illegal immigrant to be there.

With all the the people that speak English as a second language it is near or surpasses Chinese. Most people of the world speak several languages.

No doubt if you are in an area occupied by U.S. Military or on a military base the most spoken language would be English.



I have dual citizenship and I am currently on my third passport in 20 years. You should know how many pages are on a passport.

I had the chance to go to the Saudi, Kuwait, and Egypt in 1986. I was 10. Very few people spoke English, As we had to travel with an English to Arabic Interpreter.

Every time I step on a flight back "Home". I realize that with all its problems, This still is the greatest country on this earth!

Living in ignorance is blissfull!

RL you are completely right.

If there is no jobs for illegals they would not come very simple.

But the people on welfare and unemployment are not gonna get off the "free cheese" to pick an Orange for $5 an hour!

Iv traveled through asia, europe and the middle east, from kuwait, quatar, iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, dubia, saudi, germany, holland, england, ireland, bosnia, japan, korea, tiwan, thiland, guam, the phillipenes and wow, a lot spoke broken english. A lot has changed since the 80s. English was reconized as the international language in the late 90s early 2000. More countries speak english as a sec language than any other language. I just got my passport n already hav 4 pages full n on #5 now, so yes u have travled the world, but as u said, a kid n in the mid 80s, that nearly 20yrs past. A lot changes in 20yrs

Cause they know as Americans we only speak One language.. ;D

 and as an american, thats the only lanuguage we should have to speak. if we move or choose to live in a country that does not speak english, then we should have to learn their language, not have to country change their ways on doing things. learn to speak the language of the land, or get the hell out. if your lived there for an extended period of time, you better know the language and use it, not your native language. when i lived in korean, i started learning the language to help me out and to move more freely around the country. i made an effort to learn their language and used it even on base with the ROK soldiers stationed there and had them tutor me. since i was ther for only a yr, of cource i wasnt fluent, but if i chose to stay there 5+ yrs, i better to be able to speak real good. if a dumb a$$ like me can pick up another lanuage, then by gosh, learn english, speak it as much as possible or get the hell out of the united states. plain and simple

It was a joke killer rolleyes

 chance back to you. good luck and gods speed to you. i hope you serve your community with honor, which im sure you will.

I get the intent at levity.  On a more serious note, America has always been a melting pot of immigrants.  In Houston today, over 200 different languages are the primary language spoken in a home.

so in 1 home, the occupants speak over 200 different languages. why are they not linguists for the government?

I went to a local elementary school last week to do a demonstration for "western day". Of the 6 classes of 1st graders, totaling 150 kids, that I spoke with, 75 of them (50%) were enrolled as ESL (English second language).  The teachers had to function as translators.

Here's some interesting reading, based on the US Census for Deer Park, TX (location of the above mentioned school)





A few more numbers to chew on.

While some elementary schools in Deer Park have as many as 54% of the kids on free or reduced lunch, the district average is 37%


The part that I have trouble grasping, is this....   If only ~5% of the population is below the poverty line, why is it that 37% get free or reduced lunch?

And if only 15.22% of the registered population is Hispanic or Latino,why is it that 50% of the first grade class is enrolled in ESL?

Now I realize that the numbers above may not be concrete evidence of the parents being here illegally, they sure make you wonder....

x2...we need fix our own problems here...

 chris, its not that are or are not legal, its that they dont give a crap to learn to speak english and dont care to get rid of that free handout. if you choose not to speak or learn to speak english with the boundries or america, then get the hell out. if our taxes have to be used to pay for bi-lingual teachers to act as translaters, then the household needs to be shipped out. if the teacher can learn to speak 2 languages, then parents of the kids and themselves should apply theirselves to learning english. when i worked on the border with ICE, i learned to speak spanish to assist with my mission of border security. i ran into 100s than didnt speak or want you to know they spoke english. again, learn to speak it, speak it all the time or get out.

English will be the primary language for all citizens in the USA...a few generations go by and most will have forgotten their native language...but as long as the illegals are coming in it will continue to be an issue for some...time will fix the language issue...

but enforcing the laws on illegal immigration needs to happen now...

IF ONLY THE WORLD POPULATION WAS 25% OF WHAT IT IS TODAY, AND WITH THE TECHNOLOGY OF TODAY...I COULD RUN MY DOGS JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE....YEA...WIDE OPEN SPACES :) :) :)

 reuben, we could speed up natures culling process and have the technology and pleanty of room

I have read through this and I agree and disagree with alot of yalls statements.  I have worked in the fire service for fifteen years and have seen alot of changes.  I'll agree with Reuben I'ts the 2nd and 3rd generation that seems to be taking advantage of the "system".  I took my 3 year old son to the ER the other day and had to sit for 5 hours to get his chin sewn up.  The waiting room is full of "sick" patients, and now they have learned that if they call the ambulance they get admitted right in and get their meds and get out alot faster than driving themselves.  It's not just illegals that do this though, it's every race.  But they are adding to the problem.  A good friend of mine was talking to a farm hand one day and the hand ask him why he only had two kids.  He half jokingly said I only have two because they are so expensive.  At the time he was self employed and paying for his on insurance.  The farm hand ask really, how much did they cost you?  He told him $5000 or whatever the amount was and he said the hand looked at him funny and said really, my five didn't cost me anything.  The "theory" of the uninsured not being able to get medical care, is just that, a theory.  They go to the ER or get a ride via ambulance and it doesn't cost them a thing.  This is just one problem that I have personal experience with. 

Oh and to you anti-union folks I'm a card carrying union member.  I don't always agree with some of the suggestions that come down from the top, but for the most part they lobby for better equipment and regulations to make our job safer and more effective.  On a local level we have funds that pay people to work for you if you become injured or sick and run out of sick time.  We support each other and work for better working conditions with our city.  Last but not least as an IAFF member we CANNOT STRIKE, which is an union's main bargaining tool.  The media likes to group all unions together, and they are not all the same.

Slow down Dr Evil  ;D I think Genocide is a bit of a heavy topic for a drizzly Thursday afternoon.  :laugh:

I will say immigration definetly needs to slow down a bit though, just yesterday these couple of boneheads were going door to door selling magazine subscriptions  O0
(http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac192/t-bobparker/7b889278.jpg)

when our forfathers came here we were immagrants , the indians had the land and we corraled them up killed them and took over so I think that was wrong and who says we americans really belong , we are all created by the same god and equal , they should have the same oppertuniy as the next man with out worring about tomarrow

100% correct, but at what cost? the cost of pulling the rest of us down to their level for a better future that will end up in shambles? the cost of continuously allowing corrupt leaders to assist it the ruining of our country?

I don't think the "indians" had to pay for our ancestors children to get free medical benefits, free lunch, or pay for teachers to teach them in dual languages.


I have no issue at all with immigration. I just think there should be a streamlined method to letting people into the USA, issuing a visa, and give them an ID number to start paying taxes against.

I'd bet most people are just fine with immigration, it's illegal immigration they are against.

I agree circlec. I dot thinks its immigration I think it's the illegal immigration that's more of an issue.

There are always jobs that we don't want to do and don't want our children to do.  It is usually done by the latest legal or illegal immigrants.  Fruit picking, garbage pick up, etc.

I was in Costa Rica at a coffee plantation.  The driver complained that they had a real problem there  ...  illegal immigration.  Turns out the Hondurans migrate there to pick the coffee beans.  It was something the driver did when he was young, now done by illegal immigrants.  I asked about his children.  They had all gone to college.  He did not want them to ever have to pick coffee beans for a living.

I guess it happens as any culture matures.

x2...100% agree...but the reality is that greed does not allow it...we need systems in place that allow for the poor to grow and become tax paying citizens...I am not saying to give hand outs but the system should not allow people to stay in a rut...the incentive for the people on government  assistance should be set up for said people to better themselves...right now these programs do not have these goals in mind...they seem to be never ending and welfare people beget more of the same...

a good example I will give is this;

a young mother is not educated for whatever reason...she has 2 kids and she is single with a very low paying job... the government provides for some of her needs...well, she figures out that if she keeps having children the help keeps coming...the system is set up to keep these folks in the system and they keep creating more of the same...so we keep paying higher taxes to supplement these government programs...the spending is never ending...because chances are some of her kids will be dependant on government help and some will probably wind up in prison...but that definitely creates income for lawyers, judges...the legal system in general...

now some will say that these folks just need to go get a job...well if you have never been real poor you just don't know...when your born into this type of system it is hard to get out of it...some do get out but it is hard to stay out of it but doable...but more often than not these folks don't get out...some may just have given up...it seems that the folks that are well off are only looking out for their children so they don't care about the poor...as long as they stay poor it just means less competition for their children...but these same folks are the same ones who talk about the poor and the programs and why don't they go out and get a job...blah blah blah...

getting back to the young mother...if the program was set up where other welfare moms can sit at home or go to a daycare and babysit welfare mom children and educate them... then we are building a good foundation for those kids...not only that but some of these welfare moms are actually earning their government assistance...and this allows some other welfare moms to go out and get a job and supplement their assistance by doing so...These moms have to pass a drug test or their assitance will be penalized...and the system will allow for a big monetary incentive to get a tubal so that they can not have any more chidren...and this is strictly voluntary...but so what if it gives 25 thousand dollars to do this... the results will pay off big in the long run...because we will have less folks on these programs...and our taxes will start to drop off as more and more citizens become productive...

just looking at the big picture as I see it...

 reuben she should have glued a dime in between her knees and she would be poor, uneducated and with 2 kids. she would just be poor and unducated. look at that, solved 1/3 of the issue right there. ;D now let give her my tax money to go to school on, but when i ask for my school money, its sorry, your a white male, cant help you. WTF!!!!!

your one tough dude... :)

 no. im one angry person. physical stamina aint got nothing to with getting bent over the chair and screwed bc i dont have headlights in the middle of my chest.

CHARLES FOR PRESIDENT   

I still stand by what I said and what many others have said, it isn't that we have a problem with immigration. We have a problem with ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Let's sum that up just a little, it is illegal to rob a gas station, for the most part people don't do it why because they will be punished. It is illegal to kill another person unless it is in self defense for the most part people don't do it.because they will be punished accordingly. So.hypothetical situation for all of you that seem to be ok with illegal immigration and that they need to.just be given a chance. Put yourself in this situation for just a minute and think how you would feel about the outcome.

This morning you got up and left for work your wife gets your kids ready for school and sends them on their way by either taking them or puts them on the bus. She returns home to take care of your house etc. You recieve a phone call that something has happened to your wife and is at the hospital and you need to get there quickly. You arrive at the hospital to.find your wife bloody and broken use your imagination. You ask what has happened and find out hat someone broke into your house and did this to her. She was able to call the police and they arrived as the suspect was leaving the house( use any method to apprehend here she shot and wounded him as he was leaving whatever) he is now in custody. Come to find out this man is an illegal immigrant. They have him in the police station behind bars at the moment you find his out you ask what is to be done, the answer is nothing can be done he has to be deported because he is not suppose to be here in the first place.

Now ask yourself what is the big problem with ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

X2 CHARLES FOR PRESIDENT. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 hold the phone guys, the only president i am is the president of the porclin throne that our politician eat out of

They have  several blocks in Plano tx where I use to live these Mexicans are out by the hundreds on these street corners trying to work( okay so there wanting to work some of them at least) anyhow border patrol branches come and load them up by trailer loads at a time the ones that dont escape...
They all need to be deported! Honestly I'd tolerate the mexicans but the coons that can work just too lazy taking advantage of the LITTLE government benefits we as Americans such as Medicare,welfare, and the big one food stamps! I understand people needing assistance if there trying but these people are on the couch with the aunties Bruddas n kinfolks n taking my money!!!!

I attend a Grassroots America meeting every week. We have guest speakers that are politicians that are running for office or other people discussing political matters for the state. It is neither republican nor democrat but very few democrats show up for the meetings.

I can tell you this much and that is the state of Texas is in some big trouble and we need to get our financial house in order. The numbers that I am going to tell you are on the money and not made up..

Tyler has 3 hospitals and they spend over 100 million per year on people that just walk in needing treatment. Federal law says they have to be treated.

How much money do you think that Texas spent last year on braces for illegals? We spend more money than all other 49 states combined @ 425 million last year. And guess what--if they don't have transportation to go to the dentist for the free braces the state will provide 25 paid for taxi trips for treatment.

That is just the tip of the  ice burg on the spending. They get free eyeglasses through medicade,
they get WIC cards, Lone Star Cards, ect.. I promise you they can smuggle more over here than we can take care of.,

 
It's amazing to me that so many people like you look right past all the white pos's out there that work the system, and that are just as worthless as anyone. I get sick and tired of listening to ppl that have this stance. If a persons a piece of $hit they're a pos no matter what race. I'd be willing to bet for every illegal Mexican here that's looking for a handout, there's two white ppl. As far as your "coons" comments I'm gonna leave that alone, but that's probably not your best choice of words. It's 2012 man time to ditch the robe, and move on.  Like I said before quit dwelling on race, and make your judgement based on the person, good or bad. And all those guys standing on the side of the road are at least looking for work, and not sitting down in the welfare office. As Bob said before there's not many non-mexican construction workers left out there. Being in the industry myself I see it everyday, there's a reason for that these Mexican guys are here for a reason. That want a better life for themselves and their families. They know there's not much opportunity for getting an education, so the only way to make a better life is through hard work. If you were to give me a choice of working alongside 5 random illegals or 5 random white guys I'd take the illegals everytime. The Mexicans will outwork the white guys 9 times out of ten times. Then after they punch out half the Mexicans have second or third jobs they go to and work harder than the white guy did at his only job, and never complain a bit. Whereas the white guys go home plop down on the couch, and whine about how hard they worked when really they just skate by doing the bare minimum everyday. And will be the one's whining about not having money and what not, but when the opportunity arises for extra work or overtime they'll be the ones weaseling they're way out of it, with every excuse in the book. While the Mexicans enjoy and look forward to making extra money. I might add for the record that I am white, but nothing irritates me more than entitled white ppl who think they're better than someone else, because the color of they're skin.

And if the script was flipped and a bunch of these ppl that bitch about the illegals had to go through half of the time and effort that it takes to become a legal citizen these days, they would would never even think about trying to become legal, or heck for that matter even think about making the trip over here as an illegal, because it'd be to tough. They'd settle for where they were and not even try to make a better life.

I have seen what you see...it is the truth...but at some point in time we need to fix the system...and this is 2012 and it shouldn't have to be with killing...

the fixes are not that complicated...it is the people who make it that way...

The problem isn't immigrants, the problem is ILLEGAL Immigrants. If the masses of ILLEGALs were forced to stay in Mexico they would be forced to deal with there countries issues, cause civil war/uproar/revolt which ever you wanna call it. Mexico sucks that's why the leave, make'em stay and fight for THERE country and fix the problems that THEY allowed by there poor choice's. i fell bad for'em but ......RUNNING AWAY FROM YOUR PROBLEMS IS NOT THE ANSWER.

God Bless, Waylon

Waylon...I will venture to say that almost everyone...if not everyone who came to the united states were wanting to improve their living conditions...

the smart ones with the initiative are wanting out...because the handwriting is on the wall...

J. Prince...you are wiser beyond your years...I take my hat off to you for calling it like it is and taking the color out of it... :)

 j. prince, i agree with the majority of what you said. the "coons" comment is a little off for a public forum. those type of conversations should be takin offline. the race issue for those who sit on their a$$ and milk the system, no matter what race should be used as shark chum. if you are white, black, hispanic, asian or any other race, boot them out, run them through a meat grinder and blow them into the ocean for bait. if they are uneducated, then educate them, but dont turn down legal working citizens for education bc their aint enough blacks or hispanics or any other race, it should be on meritt. im pissed bc i cant get a better education bc im white and an american citizen and i have twig and berries below my belt. if your an illegal, carry your butt back to where you come from and like waylon said, stay and fix your own countrys problems, dont make new problems for our country, pack you crap and get out. for those that dont want to work or do the bare minimum, its time to cut the ship from the dock and let it sail, get them out.

You say they need to stay there and deal with their problems. But wasn't that why our ancestors originally came here. Was to "run" from a poor situation?

Thank you sir. That means a lot coming from you.

 you are right again, but did they help cripple our economy, suck our tax money from the hard working americans. you want a hand out, then be prepaired to pay it back. you want a better life, then do it the legal way, get a work visa, continue to reapply for them as they expire, obtain a method of paying taxes and get back what the irs stole from you. if we have abide by the law, then they should too, but when the ship gets to full, it will sink. are your saying we should let our ship sink for a bunch illegals? sometimes you need to brake a few eggs to make an omlet.

So if you know there is sorry ppl everywhere why get rid of just the the illegal ones? You seem to have a little different, some might say "out there" way of looking at things on most topics so you could probably agree somewhat with this idea. How about we just restart. Everyone in America be deemed illegal. Everyone has to pay fee's and go through competence test, and prove your worth having here. If you can't pay the fee's or pass the test, boom your a cull. You get stuck on a greyhound headed for the Rio Grande with your family and belongings you can gather in a gunney sack and dropped off on the other side. Never to return until you can pay the fee's and pass the test. Then once you can do that sit in line and wait for years until it's your turn to come over here.

Lol I know that's an out there plan and impossible but its all I've got for now. ;D :D

Sent from my DROID X2 using Tapatalk

j prince i agree with you ,

as for the coon comment , how the years make the memory fade , pleanty of the so called coons of yours sure did a good job of keeping pleanty of  white familys from haveing to work for many many years of say from 1600-1865 ,
im not sure where your from but there are lazys no good thives an non workers in ever race no just one
i can name pleanty of white young able bodied men an woman that dont do anything productive all day , same goes for an race out there look around
 theres a point that people get to in there life they either wanna make something of there self or not they know the diffrence in right an wrong an some choose the wrong path an never try to get it right

Charles I agree with your sinking ship analogy, and no I don't think we should be sunk by illegals. But then again your grouping all illegals into one group. I think a larger portion of illegals are harder working, and better ppl then they are ever given credit for. That's not to say there's not a bunch of pos illegals as well, but as whole I'd better there's a lot more good than bad. I would be willing to say there's at least 4 times more deadweight legal "Americans" sinking this ship than there are illegals. So if we're throwing ppl overboard how about tossing all of the culls no matter what citizenship status they are overboard first.

I keep hearing about the taxes we have to pay for illegals but at the same time ya'll do realize the majority of illegals who use a fake social do you pay taxes and don't file returns or get benefits or anything. So ain't that funny that most illegals feel the same we do about worthless people who don't work they have to support.

j prince, i think i said that, but if not. that is what i meant to say. i dont care if your white, black asian, hispanic, legal or illegal. if you dead weight, then its time to cut bait. now as far as your theory of starting over, who will administer the tests, who will deem payment amount, are to allow the rich to administer the test and make up a price for entry? if we are to start over, then its every swinging richard, not just the poor or middle class, but ALL.

When people came to this country they left to there homeland to come here an raw and wild country inhabited by some of my ancestors Native Americans. That was a very different time and this was a very different place. Today we are an established powerful country with the BEST system on the planet. We built this system with hard work and a grind it out attitude. Mexico has the resources to sustain and flourish if there people would apply that effort to there country. We have neither the resources or space to allow the amount of people who want to come here for a better life, sad but true. So there are 2 choices on the table. 1- Allow the trend of illegal immigration to continue and watch what happens when we become over burdened and over populated to the point of collapse or 2 - Abide by the guidelines set out in our immigration policies and force those who want to come here to go through the process. Not everyone who want's a better life will get here, when they don't they will be forced to make they change they desire in there own land.

God Bless, Waylon.

I like hard workers period.I feel like puking when a grown man fakes out sick because he's a wuss. I can respect a good portion of the mexicans i've worked with; which is alot because i'm a roofer. I treat em like men when they act like men.I can only speak for the building trades when I say they don't work cheap. I havent found one yet that will work for minimum wage they are ambitious honest hard workers or losers. They dont have to pay for er visits. they dont charge em alot when arrested because they can skip out anyway. no taxes but sales tax. They are not american citizens. yet recieve the same benefits and more. they tell me stories all the time about geting out of jail because ins wont come get em and the cops know they wont show for court because the cops dont have their true identity.I tell some of the boys i work with that i wish i was an illegal mexican instead of a white boy citizen. all the benefits with none of the responsibility. no draft, you have a crew of guys and do construction work and something goes wrong you just get in your truck and leave. I have to get fined by osha, I get sued, i get arrested for suspended drivers license i get charged and convicted. if i get a ticket i have to pay it. I am required to serve on jury duty. I pay taxes and get audited. I like em but  its not fair a citizen has all the responsibility. and non citizens get all the benefits. the ones i know are scared to death to go home because of the cartels. If we sent them home all at once maybe they would be a big enough group to reform their own country. I think most the upright ones are here thats why the cartels are so bad. Why do they get to just run away from their countrys problems The fact is theirs sucks because they run from tyrants instead of fighting it. Their children feel very little loyalty to the usa because the illigals  don't honor our basic principals of law and duty. Every american has the duty to resist tyranny with their life if necessary and they get to partake of our freedom because we are willing to pay the price for it. Go home you illegals and defend liberty in your own nations put all your inginuity and hard work into your own country the way we did in ours. I dare you to go into a health dept or social service building and see what races are in there. law, civic duty, and culture mean everything. throw away your mex flags if you wont stay home and die for it. Why fly the crappin thing when your here cause your country sucks. go home and revolt or leave your worthless language and culture at the border and especially your cowardly mex flag you like to fly every where. there are enough illegals gathered here with enough money and stolen educations from the us citizens to change mexico to a beautiful piece of dirt and cactus. You may die but you will respect yourself if you dont run away from tyrants. Go home,your country needs you more than the socialist politicians in this country do. El poncho villa would die before he would run away to a chicken plant in america to hide from his problems. god bless mexico with all its rightful citizens back in it.

I agree...if guns were legal in Mexico...a civil war would already be in progress...but only the outlaws have the weapons at this time...

X2
 Waylon you are right we do have a system and we should follow it. I agree with that, but I do think the system could use some refining.

As far as Mexico having all the capability to flourish I have to disagree. There's no way to flourish under their government, it's just not possible with the cartels running everything. If the US was to intervene as we have in the middle east and helped Mexico rebuild and end all the corruption then yes they really could flourish. And I believe most Mexicans that come over here would rather stay in Mexico if this sort of change was to happen.

THE MEX FLAG IS TRASH. IF OUR BRAVE CITIZENS HAD RAN INSTEAD OF FIGHTING FOR LIBERTY.... JUST IMAGINE IF BARAK DECIDED TO BE DICTATOR FOR LIFE AND I DECIDED TO RUN TO CANADA INSTEAD OF RESISTING HIM. THEN DROVE ALL OVER CANADA WITH THE STARS AND STRIPES COVERING MY WHOLE BACK GLASS. DEMANDING VOTING RIGHTS AND FREE HEALTH CARE THE US FLAG WOULD BE AS WORTHLESS TO ME AS YOUR UGLY FLAG. BRAVE MEN HAVE BEEN DIEING FOR OUR FLAG AND LAWS AND CULTURE FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. hOW DARE YOU FLY THAT PIECE OF...#@!%*** IN ITS PRESENCE.THE HISPANICS THAT ARE CITIZENS EARNED IT AND WILL PAY WITH THEIR BLOOD TO DEFEND IT AND THEIR TAXES And their civic dutys.

J.prince i simply meant the country has the resources.  Like farm ground, oil minerals, ect. Not the gov. System

Sent from my Motorola Electrify using Tapatalk

I don't know why but I just got the sudden urge to grab a bottle of tequila and listen to a good mariachi  band  ^-^lol

 Every american has the duty to resist tyranny with their life if necessary and they get to partake of our freedom because we are willing to pay the price for it. Go home you illegals and defend liberty in your own nations put all your inginuity and hard work into your own country the way we did in ours. 
[/quote]

X100,000,000, but there arent enough americans left to resist tyranny

if you are a legal u.s. citizen, then you have that right to drink what you want and listen to what you want. just make sure you dont leave the house for another bottle of tequila and kill a hard workin true american

brother I don't drink and drive.  ;) and sadly my tequila night won't be happening either. Just got a call from Exxon Mobil refinery from down my way. Apparently everyone loves Mexican cuisine so I have to cook for 300 people tomorrow. If I didn't have to do that it'd be on lol.

I still can't understand how you can defend someone that openly breaks the laws that are in place? Sure they want a better life ****** earn it. If they want to be here so badly go through the process to prove you want to be here,don't just show up and expect to get the same benefits as people that have worked for it. Ive known several legal immigrants and they were Pissed about the situation as well why because they did go through the steps to make it here and provide a better life for themselves and they have to compete with someone that ignored the law.

im glad to hear that. get off this computer and get to cooking and make a hell of meal for them and yourself. good luck with your cooking. i hope it turns out better than anything you have ever cooked before

Charles I really appreciate that, if your ever down towards southeast Texas way hit me me up and I'll treat. Fajitas and beer!  ;)

X2!!!!!!!!

Dont drink anymore but will devour some fajitas. Where u at in se tx?

Beaumont

Im from lufkin. Aint but a 2hr drive to there, well thats aftr the 3hr drive to lufkin to see my dad

well next time you visit ya'll are more then welcome to come down brother

For everyone that had to read that comment about the blacks that was NOT ME! I'm not a racist of any kind! I'm very much a liberal on certain things and thats one of those things, I left my account pulled up on a computer and someone come in behind me And posted that crap. I'm very sorry for this to everyone that seen it,sincerely- Dylan

            x 3

Austriala started as a penal  colony why not keep sendin convicts  there. Noah if we have to explain it to you .You want  understand anyway your mind is made up anyway.I live near the peoples republic of austin (left wing commie toilet)i can hear all the bleedin heart liberal bs there every day lets go back to hogs and dogs.

First off I don't know how to fix the problem with ILLEGAL immigration, but if the president would let border patrol do their job we probably wouldn't have as many problems. I run 10,000 acres about 8 1/2 mile southwest from the 281 checkpoint. We have an estimated 50 to 100 illegals come through the ranch a DAY! I find 1-3 dead ones a month from dehydration, 5 to 10 a week wanting me to call border patrol for them to pick them up be because they are almost dead and see alot running through the brush when they see me.

Many of them just want to work. Alot of them know English better than average person around here. The problem I have with them is that desperate people do desperate things. Break into houses and hunting camps looking for food and water, steal trucks or tractors for transportation. Last week I had to pull a gun on two of them for trying to steal some horses i had saddled up under the barn. After they get water and food, which I can't hardly blame them for, they wreck houses and hunting camps. Leave water on overflowing in sinks, plug up toilets, leave fridges open and they will destroy a windmill and floats just out of spite costing hundreds and thousands of dollars to repair.

I don't have answers except I keep dogs around the house and barn to keep them away from my 2 month pregnant wife and we stay armed. The problem has gotten better out here on this ranch because I don't put up with this number 2 and word is spreading. If you really want results untie the border patrols hands and let them do their job.

Ps. It's not just mexicans I have personally found people out here from Mexico and south American countries, china, Cameroon, Iran, Iraq and some east European countries!!

I hope you dont call border patrol to help them and waist our tax money for their medical care

And I hope you are never lost in the middle of no where, dehydrated and starving. If I don't call border patrol to feed, water and medicate them, then deport them I would be out a considerable amount of time and money doing all that myself. You wouldn't let your dogs die of thirst and I will not let a man woman or child suffer that fate. I WILL defend my loved ones and my property from harm.  The rest I call border patrol.

 Well I am on both sides of this battle as well… I am a born and raised American and Texan citizen, and I work and pay taxes. I have the MAN take money from me as well just like every other hard working HONEST AMERICAN! It bothers me a ton that people can come here, illegally, and get taken care of with handouts; or doing damage to other peoples’ properties or worse sometimes, raping, robbing, and killing. BUT… think about everything that immigrants have done for this country… Charles, just like you were saying, your Great Granddad came here and busted his A$$ for his loved ones, and to create a better life for them. There are many many many people here in the US that had the same thing happen. My ancestors are from all over… Germany, London, Scotland, Native American, and ect… But that makes me no less of an American either. I was born here, I have worked my butt off for the right to earn a living, and not just be another statistic, and anyone that comes into this country should HAVE to do the same… matter fact, EVERYONE in this country should have to do the same! Even the people on welfare collecting a check! Make em pass a drug test… make them work for that check cleaning roadways,  If immigrants go about getting nationalized the correct and legal way I am all for it… BUT….. How do you propose they get here….? They can’t just walk in… As was said before there is a waiting list for the “approved”… So why let your family suffer because of some “rules” that a ton of people already aren’t following???? I’m sorry, but if I were in one of these third world countries I would without a doubt do the same and find a better way of living for my family and I. So I don’t blame them, but agree that there is a certain way of doing things. With all that said…

My father-in-law is a MEXICAN… Not Spanish or Indian… he has some Mexican Indian in him, but that is beside the point. The point is, he came here illegally, and got one of these SSNs made from a fake DL… He started working immediately for the city I was born in, and is still working there today and about to retire. BUT!!!!!!! He studied, learned the language, took the test, and got nationalized! Now he is a “true” American citizen (like our forefathers were “true” Americans) that HAS made an impact in this country of ours’ and I’d like to think that is what OUR country was founded on; I’d also like to think by doing so he has made our city, state, and country a better place as well. I also look at it from another angle in which, had my father-in-law not did what he did, I would not have my wife, therefor no beautiful daughter to come home to every night either… Now if all of that wouldn’t have happened, honestly, I’d rather to not be alive than to not have my new family, and been able to benefit from knowing them and having their blood and mine make a very wonderful addition to this world; Sydni Jean Shelton.

So there are definitely two sides to this whole thing… We as a country are better than to let people die in the dessert of starving, or drowned in boats trying to get here, or ect (many ects…..) We are Americans! Yes, we do have the first and fore most duty of taking care of our country and ourselves; but as HUMANS, we have an obligation to take care of people in need of our help. Sure, work to eat, and make an effort to survive… but does that mean we have to be hateful towards people that may not deserve it, or may not be able to phisically do so because some other ignorant prick (even true in Americans white, black, ect) wants to sit and hold their hands out waiting for help???  I don’t think so!!! If they want to work and help this state, country, and their families the RIGHT WAY, IMO, by all means bring them in and let them contribute! BUT if they want to come here illegally just to collect a check, not pay taxes, do bad illegal things and send everything outside of this country then no, I agree, please stay where you are at and address your own problems as we are having to do ourselves now.

This is a touchy subject for a lot of people… and IMO we wouldn’t be here and have the country that we do if it were not for the immigrants, illegal or not. So I think that it is a necessary evil; it may be a love hate relationship, but still necessary! I have met and personally known some illegals, and a lot of other "mexicans", and they are ok in my book. I am not racist, but I do not like a free-loader! Period!

 ;D

 i was not lost, i had a map, compass and protractor, but a 50mile ruck march, 75lb rucksack, 2 1qt canteens and 7 days to complete with out refills. iv been there done that on dehydration and starving. all of my own choice to complete training for chits and grins and to say i did it. my dogs are more valuable than a freeloader, (race, ethniticity, gender or country of orgin non specific) and i would feed and water my dogs first before a drop of water of morsel of food is giving to them. 

I don't have the time to sit these people down and determine if they are coming across to work or to leach off of the American teet. But I can give them some water and keep them alive and let BP do their job so I can do mine.

If they run off I call BP and tell them where they are headed. If they come to me for help I give them water and call BP to pick them up. If they are dead I call BP to come pick them up. If they threaten me in any way I deal with it usually just by siccin a dog or two on them or I will disable them somehow until BP comes and gets them.

Come on