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Title: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: buddylee on April 11, 2009, 06:31:32 am
Who knows of someone breeding good dogo's ? I have heard too many stories of dogo's baying and not catching worth a darn. Does anyone breed a REAL dogo that isn't dog aggressive and catches like a crocodile ? Anyhelp would be appreciated.           Lee


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: dabutcher on April 11, 2009, 10:52:47 am
few and far between from what i've found.  i've sent Ladogos a few PM's to see if he breeds but never got a response ???  i know he uses the PPC dogos (bred in Denmark).  i don't know how often they have pups for sale and how much it runs for the dog and shipping.  i've been looking for a pretty good while.  i haven't seen pure dogos from anything proven yet.  i've been lookin around on dogo.org but can't post anything up yet because i haven't been approved by the admin over there yet. 

good luck on your search.  i've been lookin for about 3 months now.  you'll see guys selling them every now and then but a lot i've seen males have had  male dog aggression problems or aren't catching real solid. from what i've read it's better to try and get them as a pup and raise them up with other  male dogs.  or try and find a reputable breeder but there isn't that many from what i've found and the pups go quickly.   


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: make-em-squeel on April 11, 2009, 11:29:12 am
hoghunterdfw just got a ppc dogo from denmark about a month ago and it is PURE catch saw it on a 250lb this wkend he is hog crazy and needs a break stick he is going to breed it within the year if his female pup catches as well. I would send him a pm he knows of some pups on the ground now that give you a contract guaranteed to catch or your money back and is freinds with a guy in lousiana that has more of those ppc dogos like 4-5 he may part with one. .02


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: mutt hunter on April 11, 2009, 01:37:28 pm
i know a guy in alvin tx that has a stud that he uses as his catch dog. he will be having some dogo/plott pups soon. he charges 500 for stud service. i wouldnt pay that much for stud service, but thats me


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: ppc dogos on April 12, 2009, 11:42:09 am
Hi, we bred marvins  dogs - we would be happy to send more dogos out to hunters, the only thing is the shipping costs from here. Therefore we reduce the price when hunters ask for a pup.

We have bitch studded now.
The father is also father to Marvins Ziggy and the mum is halfsister to Marvins Niko and Jane.

Want to know more, drop us a email,

Birgitte & Peter



Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: La Historia Dogo on April 26, 2009, 08:59:42 am
I too have a bitch that was just bred.  The litter will most likely be born in FL, and I have a couple still available.  The mothers littermate is a hunter and the fathers littermate is also a hunter.  Neither parent has been tested on boar due to their location, but will be tested in the near future.  I guarantee the dogs will hunt, or I will take them back and provide you with another dog.  They will most likely be thick in the bone, and well balanced.  As for dog aggression, neither of them has ever shown unprovoked aggression, actually the mother got "jumped" by a few dogs and only bit back to stop them, once the other dogs were pulled away from her, she just went on about her business.  The father just moved into a home next to a dominant Rottie and has not approched the fence in a menacing manner, but will fight back.  If you visit my site the parents will be Apache de los Medanos and Abuelita de la Historia.  The littermates that I was talking about are Achilles de la Historia(owned by Mark Duncan) and Tomillo de los Medanos (aka Sancho owned by Los Cazadores Dogos).  As for price, hunting/pet home is $1000 plus shipping, but I may be able to help with shipping since one is already going to Texas. 

Yeah the price is going to be a bit higher than a purely hunting breeder, and if you're interested in the why, just let me know and I'll explain.

Josh


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: Scott on April 26, 2009, 09:27:33 am
I'm interested in why the price is what it is, particularly since neither the sire nor dam are woods dogs.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: La Historia Dogo on April 26, 2009, 03:36:00 pm
I don't know if its best to reply here, so if its not the board can delete it and I will email....

The parents are all health tested and all of the puppies will be health tested.  All of the dogs that I own and breed are also registered with the most reputable registry in the world.  I will also repeat that I guarantee the dogs will do what they are bred for, and thats more than what people with "proven" parents do.  I also offer a health guarantee.  Overall I stand behind everything I produce, and will be there every step of the way to offer any help I can.

All pups are raised inside the house, microchipped, papered.  And the parents are from some of the best bloodlines in the world.

I hope no one is taking offense to the difference in price, and I am more than willing to offer my justification.  Then there is always the option to buy from someone else.  I am not sure whether or not the less expensive dogos fit all of the above criteria, but unless I sell every single pup I asure you there isn't any profit in there.

I am actually curious to know how it can be affordable to sell pups any cheaper.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: Silverton Boar Dogs on April 26, 2009, 10:52:12 pm
Dogo pups that are: From proven lines, registered, health tested, hearing tested, and of top quality, should cost $1,000 and up.


Paul T


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: dabutcher on April 27, 2009, 08:50:36 am
I'm interested in why the price is what it is, particularly since neither the sire nor dam are woods dogs.

this may have a little something to do with it..... taken from dogo.org

Dogo Argentino Club of America
CODE OF ETHICS
All breeders are encouraged to evolve specific breeding plans .....

The breeder will furnish with each pup a signed registration application, a three generation (minimum) pedigree, proof of a hearing test, and a written health record. If the pup is being sold as a companion the breeder will furnish a written Spay/Neuter Agreement. Both buyer and seller will hold a signed copy of the agreement. The breeder MUST fill in the information requested on the back of the Registration Application.


Sale price of the pups will be based on quality and all breeders will uphold the value of the breed by maintaining the minimum price acceptable in their immediate area for all pups of a breedable, registerable, showable, healthy quality. DOGOS ARGENTINOS WILL NOT BE OFFERED TO KNOWN PUPPY MILLS.

.......



Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: Scott on April 27, 2009, 12:08:08 pm
Dogo pups that are: From proven lines, registered, health tested, hearing tested, and of top quality, should cost $1,000 and up.


Paul T

Why?


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: muleman on April 27, 2009, 02:48:29 pm
Ok, I have to ask.... what is the big draw for dogos?? What do they have that American Bulldogs do not?? Besides twice the price (at least). I have an AB male that you would be hard pressed to improve on. My hunting buddy has an AB female the same way. Im not trying to start a riot or anything, I would just like for someone to explain to me what is so much better about them.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: Circle C on April 27, 2009, 03:01:15 pm
http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=2134.0

http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=3202.0


Lot's of debate about Dogos and how they are used vs. how they were bred to be used.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: muleman on April 27, 2009, 03:12:20 pm
I saw all of that, I guess I just dont get it. Even if you spend the money to get one of the "good" ones, is what you end up with that much better than an AB?? and if they are, what do they do better??


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: Circle C on April 27, 2009, 03:17:27 pm
Beats me.   My understanding is that a DOGO was originally bred to be used as a pack dog, and is now being used as a "catch dog" 

I can't see the difference in a "good" dogo vs a "good" hybrid ab, except the price myself.



Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: muleman on April 27, 2009, 03:25:05 pm
I'm really not saying one is better than another. I dont know enough about Dogos to make a judgement. I dont even know that I'm comparing apples to apples. Just looking for justification of the huge price tag that comes along with the dogos. I am not saying they are not worth it. I would just like for someone somewhere to tell me why they are. People are paying it so someone thinks they are worth it.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: Silverton Boar Dogs on April 27, 2009, 03:35:43 pm
Why the cost?  Supply and demand.

There are not many breeders of Dogos' that are breeding all "proven" hunting dogos. There are alot of breeders that have show dogs that they "test" and breed. So, Its just simple supply and demand.

No one ever said they were better than anything else. I have never seen anyone trying to talk ya'll into buying/hunting one. If you are happy with your AB or Pit, great. We all use dogs that work for us in our area and thats the way it should be.

I like the Dogo myself and I bought one, and I am very glad I did. She has caught every hog she has seen since she was 6 months old. The things that I like about the Dogo are: raw speed, nose, size, and the fact that they can/will hunt on there own.

There are lots of breeds of dogs just like there are lots of breeds of horses, and cattle. I like to run the cattle that work in my country, and ride the horses that let me do my job the best , and hunt the dogs that work the best in my area. The Dogo fits my country and way of hunting very well.

Its just like the Horse vs Mule argument.....you might understand that, each has its place but neither is "better" than the other. Pick the animal that does the job the best for "you".

Paul T



Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: muleman on April 27, 2009, 03:45:53 pm
I'm seriously not trying to ruffle anyones feathers. just trying to learn a little something. I get the whole supply and demand thing. Cost of a dog means nothing to me. If its what I want I will pay what it takes to get it. Im just trying to get the whole attraction to dogos. I would like to hunt with a really good dogo some day. It must be a sight to behold


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: La Historia Dogo on April 27, 2009, 04:43:40 pm
There's not much to add to what's been said from the above posts.  I would like to emphasize what I feel is the most prominent difference between a well bred AB and a well bred dogo, and that's nose and in turn stamina.  Muzzle length has been what I would say the detriment to the AB. If hunted the way they are bred to be hunted, and obviously this differs for terrain and such, but in my opinion you should be able to drop a few dogos on the ground and catch boar with out any other dogs. That's obviously not always going to be the best for every hunter, but those that aspire to hunt with one breed, they are the ones that want a dogo. 

Plus if you have a mountain lion problem on your ranch it wouldn't hurt to have a dog that can rid you of that.

I don't know about the others here but I love talking dogo, even if there is opposition. How can you learn about anything without asking and debating.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: chancebrown on April 27, 2009, 05:00:35 pm
ive always wanted to know the same question muleman. can dogos get out and find and catch their own hog?? and also are they just kind of a rare dog? dont know much about dogos but i am very intersted in learning as much as possible


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: Silverton Boar Dogs on April 27, 2009, 05:20:18 pm
My female Dogo has a good nose and will wind hogs from the truck, she will also put her nose down and run a track. She runs out front with my curs when I let her, ranging as much as a mile from where she was droped. I can carry her on the truck by herself and drop her on hogs I see, I can let her run with the curs and hunt, or I can lead her in to a bay. She catches very hard, 100% ear, and has great style. 105lbs 16 months old.

She is very fast, I have sent her to many bays from long range where the bay has broken and she has caught the hog ahead of the curs.

What I like about Dogo: Speed, nose, wind, can hunt, track, and catch on there own.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: hoghunterdfw on April 27, 2009, 06:05:56 pm
Silverton Boars is right on with everything he said. I know it is not a big plus, but I also love that they are all white and easy to see in the field, even at night.  Hopefully it also helps deer hunters from mistakenly shooting your dog. All I can recommend for someone looking for a good hunting dogo is that if you are serious about spending $1000+ on a dogo, and actually have the money to committ, you should contact the people at PPC dogos in Denmark instead of trying to find one from a breeder in America. They will probably be able to get you a dogo paid for and shipped for about the same price as some of these BS money grubbing breeders we have locally. From what I have heard the Argentina breeders are even worse about lying about their dogs and selling people culls. If you do end up getting one locally make sure you get them to guarantee that the dog will catch at 6-9 mo. old, especially if you are paying big bucks for it.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: make-em-squeel on April 27, 2009, 06:24:49 pm
hoghunterdfw's dogo is a catching machine I heard his brother uses his nose like a hound and catches. It is still alot of money for a cd no matter what, I just like the breed and they are great with my little girl ( my mom doesn't give me hell about having a pit with a 3 year old) so the price is worth it to me until they get gutted and i curse spending mor than a 100 on any cd. I have seen dogos who strike but then bay, or one that is just solid cd but not much hunt- not to say they will never strike one but not 500 yards out week after week. if yall know of one tell me i will by it ( raw pups need to prove themselves and be started a bit for $1,000). From the 2 i have owned vs. the avg. american bulldog the dogo did have alot more lung/stamina which only made a difference very few times after the bay broke and they were caught a mile away but it did save her life twice.  :o Mulemans argument could be made for the AB vs. the pit as well :). Most abs i am around were sold for $500 compared to a 50-100$ pit. ?? who knows but the above posts made some great points - good job muleman on bringing up a good topic. Does your ab sound like a bus while on lead, a prissy point to make is that dogos seem to druel less and breathe more quiet in generel and $500 to a grand is alot of money for a damn catch dog no matter the breed.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: Scott on April 27, 2009, 07:52:54 pm
Just a quick point...there are 3 different strains of ABs: Johnson, Performance (Scott type), and Hybrid (cross between the two). There is very little, if any, difference between a good Dogo and a good performance AB...I've hunted with both.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: dontejuan on April 27, 2009, 08:53:32 pm
I know a guy that has bred a proven dogo that he retired to keep the blood in Texas. 

Not sure of the costs yet or even if she took but will see.

500 to hunters I'm guessing.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: TColt on April 27, 2009, 09:57:34 pm
bought a registered dogo pup for $600 that is a jam up catch dog, he is a runt at only about 70 lbs but i use him as a one out on occasion, a running catch dog, and a lead in catch dog, he has stuck his own pigs before and ran down many that i have just seen in a pasture, caught a 250 lb sow one out last weekend. Chad White also bred some awesome dogo's out of his stud Rebel and the gyp he used to have  Lilly. They were not registered but papers dont make them hunt any better.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: Scott on April 27, 2009, 10:10:48 pm
They were not registered but papers dont make them hunt any better.

That is true, but I think most people miss the point of "papers"...It's not that the dog is registered, but that it has a traceable pedigree. The pedigree is what is important, not the actual registration by a kennel club. A pedigree is a very useful tool when it comes to breeding, a pedigree tells you what a dog should be. And by being able to trace back to dogs that were 4, 6, 8, 10 generations back and get information regarding their work ethic, traits, etc. it increases your chances of producing dogs that have the same desireable traits. If utilized appropriately, it can be a key element in consistently producing quality working dogs.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: muleman on April 27, 2009, 10:14:37 pm
Make em squeal: I dont think there is any comparison between ABs and pits. I used to have nothing but pits. Not the same animal in my opinion.

My AB has no issues with breathing (scott type) and he has plenty of wind. I have not given him the oportunity to find his own pig but I have full confidence that he would. And, if he found one he could catch it and hold it by himself. He can be on lead or off, doesnt drag you down when he is on lead. I have never had him jump on another dog even when another dog is being fussy (something i cant say about most pits not all.) the guy I hunt with (Hog stalker) has an AB female that is the same way. I cannot comment on Dogos really I have yet to hunt with one. I know there are good ones and bad ones. just like any breed including ABs. I will say some of the Dogos I have seen here are AWSOME looking. Thats there are so many breeds. If there was a dog that fit everyones style in every situation, we would all be hunting the same breed no matter the cost.

Great thread! didnt meant to high jack whatever it started as. probably should have started a new one.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: dabutcher on April 27, 2009, 10:33:06 pm
hopefully a moderator will move these posts to it's own thread cause i'd like to continue the discussion.   

i've seen a some really good crosses of dogoxab.... i mean Krystal's dogs are prime examples.  i have a dog out on loan that's not in the same category as one of Krystal's dogs but is really what i want in a dog as far as temperment, drive, and intelligence. his only downfall to me is he's a little short legged or i guess i should say a little shorter legged than what i'm looking for. 

my biggest hesitation is the price tag.  if i DO get one it will be from PPC or from Marvin.  that's the ONLY ones i'd look at.  i've seen quite a few that just aren't what the breed standard says they should be.  and i'm sorry but that kinda price tag for a DOG isn't something to be taken lightly when deciding on a breeder.  i've been looking for a QUALITY one for a while and it took a lot of weeding out and sorting through the B.S. til i just decided to quit looking any further than the proven dogs i've seen on here.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: Silverton Boar Dogs on April 27, 2009, 11:24:51 pm
My hunt tonight is an example of what I like in a Dogo. Hunted here at the house and I rode my saddle Mule, I had 3 bay dogs and Adora my dogo running on the groung with them. I trotted out to the pasture and all dogs hunt on the run untill they are out of sight, I lope on another 1/2 mile and start tracking. I they check in with me 1 3/4 miles from where we started. I head the other way working the wind at a lope all dogs hunting ahead, dogs are checking a canyon when I see a small hog moving through the pasture, so I sit tight and the Dogo is the first dog to check back in. I lope about 300 yds and Adora can see the hog and catches him on the run as I am loping behind. Bay dogs show up but the deal is done. Adora has been running for at least 3 miles before she first saw the hog, hog had 100yd head start and she caught him on the run 150 yds later. Then a mile trot back to the house. Thats 4 miles that I traveled more for the dogs and one hog in less than an hour and she was far from out of gas.

Paul T


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: cantexduck on April 28, 2009, 09:45:51 am
Adora is 100% dogo, Paul?


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: Silverton Boar Dogs on April 28, 2009, 10:07:51 am
Yes registered Dogo, bred by Marvin Garrett, (Recado x Jane) some of his PPC blood line.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: ppc dogos on April 28, 2009, 02:24:34 pm
No, not all dogos can go out and find and catch their own hog. The breed have for years been in trouble in many ways, healthwise and temperament wise, conformation wise. It is not a easy breed to work with, since it is pretty young, and many unwanted throwbacks can appear.

Breeding a good dogo takes YEARS of knowledge of your lines,  and clever selection.

The dogo have lots of breeders that is only focusing on one part - looks..., jump over where the fence is lowest regarding temper and health. Breeding a good dogo, must be the whole package. It is very easy to breed the correct temper, but if the body and agility is not with it, the dog is not functional. Even worse, if the dog is not healthy.
The breed is white, and this is a issue for many healht problems from already the beginning of this breed.

Many dogos catch, but not many HUNTS. Unfortunately this breed have been romanticised WAY TOO MUCH - for many commercial reasons..and the breed got on a pidestal where it did not belong....


A good dogo is not easy to find..but it is easy to find a dogo...


Birgitte


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: Circle C on April 28, 2009, 02:39:39 pm
Birgitte,

   
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Many dogos catch, but not many HUNTS. Unfortunately this breed have been romanticised WAY TOO MUCH - for many commercial reasons..and the breed got on a pidestal where it did not belong....


A good dogo is not easy to find..but it is easy to find a dogo...

That is the type of honesty regarding a breed that is respectable.   All breeds have their faults, and knowing and recognizing that is necessary in order to improve the breed in my opinion.  If you do not recognize the faults, and try to breed away from them, then the breed itself is destined for failure.

  When you and Peter come to the states, do you ever hunt just dogo's? Or do you hunt other breeds on the ground too?

I might also mention in all fairness, that you can replace dogo, with any other breed in the following statement and it will still ring true
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A good dogo is not easy to find..but it is easy to find a dogo...


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: ppc dogos on April 28, 2009, 03:23:24 pm
Thanks Circle,

I US we hunted mostly with curs, and had some dogos on the ground as well. Here we have hunted a few times only dogos , but we have WAY too few opportunity to hunt them here.. >:(. - VERY frustrating to live in Europe.

My passion is breeding the dog that makes the hunter happy, since also that dog, can function in other kind of jobs. We have couple of educated rescue dogs and sweiss dogs. Theese dogs requires the same as  a hunting dogo, good temper, good agile body, health and nose.

Therefore we favourise hunters that are interested in our dogs, they are the perfect feedback, and we use their knowledge in our selections.

We have also dogos that hunts only on the ground in Japan, South Africa & Sweden. Some young dogs in US and Korea.

This is from our last hunt here in Europe, this hog was found and taken by 3 of our own dogos, the young dogo to the left is Eloy, who is  now in Us. The father to him, Payo, found and stopped the boar - when we finally arrived they were all 3 on it. We ran into a flock of boars, couldnĀ“t locate the dogos for a while and it got a bit too exciting at a certain point. Another good reason for hunting with a bay dog with the dogos. We have a black mouth cur, but she was at this time high pregnant.

We have to live LONG on this hunt, we might can only do it 2-3 times a year, if we are lucky..

(http://photos-a.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-snc1/v1977/20/24/631498788/n631498788_1444112_6240.jpg)

(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs012.snc1/2631_55722543788_631498788_1515184_3956811_n.jpg)

This is the father to the young dog, Payo:

(http://www.dogo-argentinokennel.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/normal_IMG_0390.JPG)



 

Birgitte



Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: Bridgeth6 on May 02, 2009, 04:25:46 am
I have some friends who just paid that high price for two dogo pups, they plan to start breeding dogos here in the lufkin area, if they make the cds that they are suppose to. The biggest diffrence is that they supposedly can hunt on there own. We found in researching them that ppl in argentina hunt them in packs of no less than 3 and that they hunt pumas with them. There is video on youtube of dogos catching pumas, now that takes a bad A >:D >:D dog. But it is said that you can hunt with them alone, unlike the AB. The only problem I see with this is it is also said that they do not bay, they just catch, which depending on the style of hunting you do may be ok. A lot of ppl use a non gritty good voiced hound with them to solve this problem. There stamina is suppose to be awsome. The other research I read was that an average days hunt in argentina was 30miles and they hunt on horse back over there. Dogos are suppose to have a pretty good nose on them to.  There size is bigger than the AB also. The father to the pups they bought is 125lbs and they say that is an average size for a male dogo. Nose, stamina, size and PRICE are the diffrences that I have found. I guess we will find out as the pups get on up there. They are only 9wks old right now, but I will post again as soon as I see something from them. 


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: La Historia Dogo on May 02, 2009, 07:15:13 am
I hope that you not take this the wrong way Bridgeth6, but there are a few things I would like to offer you as far as info on the dogo is concerned.  The standard for the dogo is between 80-100lbs.  If that "average" dogo is 125lbs, they are real big.  I am not saying there aren't dogos that are that big, but they aren't the ones hunting in the fashion that you described.  To me the ideal dogo size is 26.5" at the shoulders and 100lbs.  I have a dogo bitch that is about 26.75" and about 110-115 at a "field weight" cause thats how I keep them, healthy, muscular, and not overweight, but she is a BIG BITCH.  Almost too big, and depending on who you talk to definately too big.  I have a stud on the other hand that is about 25" and about 125lbs, but he is very thick in the bone and could stand to lose some weight, I just got him about a month ago. 

So in short, dogos can be that big, but I don't think you will find that to be the average. I hope I didn't sound like I was just trying to correct you, just wanted to offer a little insight from a semi-(dogo)educated perspective.  I currently own 3 male dogos, and 2(soon to be 3) female dogos.  I have fostered/trained at least another 8-10 and been around another 20 or so.  I have read the Spanish only book by one of the creators of the breed and have many of the books that are considered "dogo bibles".

I was talking with one of the most well respected dogo breeders in the world last week, as I am fortunate to now live just a few mintues away from him, and he said its easy to breed a big dogo, but to get a big dogo with proper type is VERY HARD.  The structure on the Big ones is almost always incorrect.  I didn't get too in depth with him, as my spanish is much better reading it, but I consider myself a scholar on this great breed so I offer my lessons to anyone that can benefit from them.

Look at my site for an idea of what the height and weight look like in pictures and you can compare them to the parents of your friends.  Apache is 25" and 125lbs, Abuelita is 26.75" and 110lbs, Paloma is 27" and 98lbs, Berrinche is 26" and 104lbs, and Iceman is 26.5" and about 105lbs.  Hope that helps

Josh


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: Bridgeth6 on May 02, 2009, 10:18:42 am
No harm done Josh, I only know  a little, thanks for the info.  I don't remeber the breader they got the pups from he is outside or carthage, TX. He hunts with his dogs, but he is just getting started on his knew kennel and set up. The male they got is partial deaf in one ear and is not bread quality, supposedly everything else about him was. The pup is not papered, due to the hearing problem, which I completely understand. Can you tell me what your average of hearing affected pups is?


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: kevin on May 02, 2009, 11:28:07 am
That partially deaf dog is what they call a unilat.  It will not be able to tell which direction the dogs are baying.  The deafness is common in dogos and can be passed on.  More than likely pups off of him will have some form of deafness.  Those large dogs probably won't have much stamina.  The breed is gonna end up like the glass eyed, flashy leopard dogs.   

I hope they work for him.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: txcountrygurl40 on May 02, 2009, 02:19:07 pm
i have dogos for catch dogs and they are good catch dogs they are not agressive to other dogs unless they are provoked but other than that they are good hunters i have never heard of one baying a hog but i do know they will catch my male caught a 300lb boar hog by his self and we are going to be having a little of puppies any day now my males are 300.00 and fem400.00 if interested just e-mail me


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: muleman on May 02, 2009, 02:25:12 pm
why would anyone sell a dog with a genetic defect like deafness?? and why would someone buy that defective dog to start their kennel with?? I can tell you why. Money! before long there will be dogos everywhere and you will have to cull through tons of them to get a good one! It happens to every popular breed.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: dabutcher on May 02, 2009, 05:53:47 pm
that dog should've been culled or at the very least neutered.   that's the kinda stuff that makes finding a good one dang near impossible.  i've never had to spend so much time wading through crap to get to a few good breeders, well besides with labradors.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: kevin on May 02, 2009, 06:08:15 pm
Money makes the world go round.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: Bar M on May 03, 2009, 09:17:44 am
Just thought I would add my .02cents.

We have had two dogos so far. The first one was a gyp and not worth the food she ate.
Very dog aggressive. Kinda crazy.  :)

The second one I have is my male Gringo. He use to belong to McCoy here on the boards.
He is what I would consider a great dogo. He hits like a train. Catches on the ear
everytime. I couldn't of asked for a better one.
Also I can load him in the dog box with any dog I have male or female.
He just likes them all.
You can use him as a lead in or a running catch dog. 
I actually just bred him to my full blood AB gyp.

Here is one of him when we first got him.
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn90/mkmize/100_2638.jpg)


here is one of him and my male catahoula cooling down after a long days hunt.
(as you can tell..not dog aggressive)
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn90/mkmize/100_2661.jpg)


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: ppc dogos on May 03, 2009, 12:31:40 pm
I have seen dogos very "TYPY" as some breeders name them, totally USELESS for hunting, not able to move correct,  without stamina, and for sure not able to hunt in a group. Very dogagressive.

If a breeder is so focused about TYPE only, you loose the most important tool for hunting. Temperament, heart, health should come first. You can not hunt a dogo who will fight the other dogs, if he do not have a good temperament, he is useless for hunting. If he is not healthy...well then forget about  how "Good" the TYPE is.
Josh, We have seen tons of dogos who will catch and fight the boar in a pen, but who never could be taken out in the woods with other dogs, THIS you only can select on, if you have seen your dogos social around dogs  out hunting,  around your  other own dogos, and ALSO dogs from other hunters.
From theese TYPE breeders you seldom see dogos actually out hunting.

The dogo have a fighting reputation, which is quite understandable, if you look on Youtube, many finds it a sport to use the dogo as a ring gladiator against boar/puma. Yes, they are might good as catchers theese dogos, but does this make them hunters ? I  know the answer...

If the dogo should live up to its "PEDISTAL" it is about time breeders start to look at their breedingstocks temperament, way too many dogos are weak tempered, insecure, dog agressive some even not trustful to man.


This breed is magic.!!!! ;D..many newcommers in the breed believes they KNOW IT ALL from the day they get a dogo pedigree in their hand, and BINGO from day one they also call themselves a dogo breeder ;D....even if the dog is only 9 weeks old...

Here is our and Marvins, Deangelo with Marvins Recado, their first hunt together:

(http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f279/mwgarrett/Hunting/DSCN0259.jpg)

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Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: Bridgeth6 on May 08, 2009, 05:11:41 pm
The deaf dog is not going to be used for breeding, he is more of a learning tool. His hearing test showed only slight deafness. He does not show any signs of it so far though.


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: dabutcher on May 09, 2009, 08:56:51 am
The deaf dog is not going to be used for breeding, he is more of a learning tool. His hearing test showed only slight deafness. He does not show any signs of it so far though.

not to be a smartace but how are you only slightly deaf and then not show any signs of it...so far  ???


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: duece24 on May 09, 2009, 03:18:04 pm
maybe he meant to say the dog was tested and showed reduced hearing in one ear. many people have partial deafness in one ear(i personally know of two people like that). they aren't totally deaf but there is a hearing impairment to one ear, maybe that is what he is saying. and you wouldn't know that these two people were hearing impaired in an ear, so yes you can be diagnosed with hearing impairment/hearing loss and not show any signs early on...


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: aussiedogger on May 09, 2009, 09:00:57 pm
i don't see why everyone in the US is so loyal to curs, dogo's and AB's. over here the only dog we use pure is the bull arab and their a hybrid. almost every dog in australia is a bitser. anything from greyhound, staghound, wolfhound, boxers, bull arabs, mastiffs, ridge backs, danes, bull terriers, pit bulls, bandogs, GSP, english pointers, amstaffs, neo mastiffs, cattledogs. and they all ute find, ground find and hold. not baggin any breed or style out. just sayin it wouldn't hurt to experiment....


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: Black Gold on May 10, 2009, 06:25:50 am
Aussie,

I'm on it! ;D 

not gonna hijack this thread, but......STAY TUNED O0


Title: Re: Good Dogo's ????????????
Post by: USHOG on June 23, 2009, 05:54:31 pm
about 10% of all dogo pups are deaf and it is sometimes hard to tell until they are alittle older but you always have an idea if you work much with them.

Dogos need no other dog to hunt. They can do it all by themselves. I hunt 3 out all the time during the winter when it isnt to hot for the vests. when its hot I lead in only. Dogos have great noses to wind hogs.  They are great dogs all around.