EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Have yall read/heard anything on the new dog chaining/tethering law???

Been looking like mad to find and inform myself on it and cannot find it to save my life---I did read it on the scrolling notes at the bottom on Fox35 news, but I cannot find any article.


HELP

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-11-22/news/os-no-chain-dogs-20111122_1_tethering-morgan-woodward-dog-lovers

GEEEEZ there it is---- THANK YOU CAJUNL

At least there is some discussion and debates.  Our county passed it without too many people knowing until it was already done. I'm sure it was advertised but not one person that I know heard about it until after the fact.

Dan what cnt do u recide on?

They got a deal down here they are tryin to make it illegal to have dogs in a pen.

So how the he!! are we suppose to keep the dogs? No chains and NO pens.

theyve been talkin about it for about a year now.  I dont see the pen thing passing, and last i heard tethering hasnt changed here yet.

rs---what county u stay on?

Lee

Just a side note:  To see my pens or if i had a dog chained in my yard you would either A: have to walk onto my property and look over my 6' privacy fence or B: go into my neighbors' yards and look over my 6' privacy fence.  Now to charge me with a crime you would need a search warrant to do either.. Just sayin  ;)

I have to educate me on that whole search warrent thing abit better, florida sure does have some cool laws that protects the good citizens over the criminal elemnt.

Ok here is the short version..  To investigate a crime without a warrant you can enter upon property that is not gated or fenced to make contact.  To search the premises you need a warrant, with the exception of exigenet (spelling) circumstances, or to conduct an officer safety sweep (which really wouldnt be relevant in this case.  Now if you can see the crime from the roadway or place you can legally be, you dont need the warrant to seize evidence (plain sight doctrine).

If your yard is fenced and animal control (aspca) what ever they are called in your county comes knocking on your door tell them pound sand and time to leave.  Unless they have a legal reason to be there than cant refuse to leave.. Just remember youll never win an arguement on the street, be polite tell them they dont have your consent and that youd like them to leave.  Theres alot more to it, but if you want to kow ask them why they have the right to be there, and then do some research on the topic.  there is a bunch of case law out there, and most of its availible on the net.

Okaloosa

Good stuff brother... thankyou

The way LEO's minds work is amazing lol almost like a lawyer....our animal control thinks they can blow smoke and get their way since they hate dog hunters (especially me) thankfully I have two cantankerous ritirees living next door to help me out.

The way I took the article that it was County enforced not State wide, am I missing something?  I wish I had time to keep up with all of the Fl. Bills they are trying to pass.

Yeah thats about the way it has to be.  the major differences between the two are A: Pay, B: time to decide on how to do what needs to be done..  My dad and i debate things all the time, hes the higher paid of the two.  :-[
My understanding is this is a county to county thing.  Here is a link to the Florida State Statue regarding animals.  Just remember there is case law for everything, and rarely do they update Statues to reflect it..

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0828/titl0828.htm&StatuteYear=2007&Title=-%3E2007-%3EChapter%20828

Oh and counties can make Ordinances which make those laws stricter.  If you wanna know your counties get a copy from the Clerk of Court.  It is public information you just gotta ask.. Hope this helps yall.. See cops can be nice once in a while  ;D

Sorry the first one was from 2007, here is the link for last year

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0828/titl0828.htm&StatuteYear=2007&Title=-%3E2007-%3EChapter%20828

It passed. As the same law has been passed in Orange and Seminole county.

This organization http://www.dogsdeservebetter.com/ is fighting to have the law passed in the majority of Fl counties. Starting in the major populated areas, Then it will be very simply put into state law as it will already be passed in most counties.

That is the so called home county of the so called "Central Florida Dog Hunters Association" and not a peep from them. Not even blip on there outdated webpage.

The wall is coming down one stone at a time!





An ordinance passed Tuesday, April 10, 2012, in Lake County bans pet owners from tying their animals to a single object with a chain, rope or leash.

TAVARES --

Lake County commissioners have unanimously passed an ordinance that prohibits tethering or chaining dogs, except when their owners are outside with them in the yard.

County officials said they plan to educate the public about the new rules first, before starting to issue fines in November.

Those who violate the anti-tethering ordinance could face a $150 fine after a warning, and could be fined $500 for each additional violation within the next five years.

Dog owners could also be hit with a $500 fine if the dog is injured, and a $1,000 fine if the dog dies while tethered.

That is only 1 county away from me.  I was reading in our paper yesterday that the ASPCA was so kind to donate 10 Grand for our  county Animal control people could go to school to be Animal cruelty Investigators. Give them a title like that and they will find a mission to use it for and that will be the easiest one.  That group won't be happy until no one can hunt, own dog's to hunt or own guns.   

Gotta look for the gray area..  Now without reading the ordinance, just going off what you posted.  It says a SINGLE object.  So put two posts in and chain them to both   ;D

My county is divided in half by a military base. In the north end where I live it is more rural and the sherriffs department is made up of plenty of local country boys. If your neighbors don't complain there is nothing to worry about.
In the south end people live closer together and typically have more money and/or time to worry about everyone else is doing.

How about a cable?  It is neither a chain, rope or leash....this is silly that as responsible dog owners we have to put up with that mess.

We do not chain our dogs up but if that is one's preferential restraint so long as the animal is taken care of it is none of my business.

I was talking last night with my mom who is my neighbor and had her.own run in with the animal control, she was good with them until the guy demanded her ID at which point she told him to go get a Deputy and take the weiner dog that would come and go if he could catch her outside the fence...

Are AC in you area allowed to write tickets / enforce codes?  Ours are not, they can only look after the welfare of the animals and still cannot enter gated property with out the Star Cars at their side, which leads me to this:

Hypothetically, if you chained your dogs on the very back corner of a 10 acre parcel, that with a naked eye you cannot see the animals, are they allowed to use binoculars to see the animals from a public road (lets say there is only one road out front, everything else is inacessable)?? Or at that point is that an intrusian of privacy and overzealous patrolling?

This was a good two hour conversation and led into something else I am gping to post later in a different thread so it doesn't distract from this one.

The law reads you cannot tie to single point. In the law it does say cable runs are Ok.

I see no point if the dog has food, shelter, and water. Dogs can be neglected on a chain, runner, pen, fenced in yard, or in a house. rolleyes

Very true. 

Ashley, as long as they dont step on your property they dont need a search warrant.  If the fly over in a helicopter or use binoculars its not considered an violation of the 4th amendment.

Cajun i couldnt agree more!

Cable runners are fine in my County.  One of my friends recently lost 4 dogs and as many pups indirectly due to this law. 

One of his neighbors called in about his dogs barking too much.  The sherrifs dept. called Animal Control.  They tried to push the issue about the chains, so he put them all in the same pen.  It's crazy but that was fine and legal to have about 11 dogs in 10x10 pen.  Animal control got him for not having rabies vaccinations and tags.  Animal control took the dogs a week later and killed them at the "shelter".

We offered to take a few dogs, but Animal Control had that covered too.  If the dogs came up missing during his 5 day warning period, he would pay additional fines or provide information as to where the dogs went.  That would only prompt more "investigating", so I left it alone.