EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

hey guys i need some suggestions. i have a hog he is my main hunting dog and by far my favorite but he is just to damn rough a 450 lb bar hog with 3 inch cutters damn near cut his throught with a cut collar on because he tried to catch it he is just a cur dog and i like the fact that i know its a good size hog if he is not caught when i get there and the fact he will catch with a bull dog and help it out but i really want him to back up. need help idk what to do!!!

im confused maybe its the bud light talkin but from what i just read you have a hog as a main dog thats 450 pushers and has knives like a jap chef.... if you have a rough DOG then its best to vest him up and let him learn

My experience has been that they will either learn to back up (once they have been cut a few times) or they don't last too long.

haha my bad guys all i was trying to say i have a really rough cur dog he tried to catch a 450 pound lb bar hog and it almost cut his throat he has been cut multiple times since then and he just wont back up a couple weeks ago me and a freind of mine eased up to a bay and turned the bull dog loose my cur dog saw her comin and caught befor she got there

he just likes what he does, get a vest from wildboar usa and keep him in the woods. i also would recommend getting a first aid kit and know how to use it

yea i got all that stuff after the first time he got cut the first time but he wont hunt with a vest on i do run a cut collar on him

if hes as rough as you say and you are around big pigs like you say i would run a vest on him.

yea

but do you think him bein rough is breaking bays?

Maybe try a bib, he is what he is. Maybe find one or two more just like him, if you like that style of hunting.

could be. if hes as catchy as you say use him as a cd and get some loose dogs ;)

If he's Gritty, If he won't hunt with a vest, If he keeps Busting up the Bay tryna catch and u still want to keep him as ur lead dog I personally would Build my pack around him, which means more gritty dogs that's gonna jump on with him when he catches.... But that's jmo.

anything under 200 i dont turn a bull dog loose i just let him catch it but i dont trust him to hold anything bigger than that. and yea i got a little gyp that is just like him. i kind of like it honestly because i know if i get there and the hog aint caught than its got some size to it. i might try one of those bikini bay vest

Are they both on the ground when he goes to catching? Will he catch if he is the only dog on the ground?

Run 4 rough dogs hog should be streched out when you get there

Make him live in his vest in his kennel for a week or so then try to hunt him with it on. I had one just like him miss that old dog.

X2 if you want him build your pack too match you will catch almost everything that way to

I have a dog that was just like that it took him 4 years and around 60 cuts for him to finally figure out he ain't got to catch everything, the other day I witnessed him baying a Lil 90lb boar I think he's tired of being cut and has learned the ways to bad it took him so long and so many staples lol

he wont catch if hes by himself. i think yall are right im gonna get a couple more gritty dogs and just use a bull dog for back up lol

Sounds like an old poacher type cur dog. Dont need a bulldog with a pair of these dogs if they work a hog correctly.

If he is getting gritty and biting then letting go over and over while baying....you bet he is a bay buster.
Stand back and watch him baying to determine if this is the problem.
If you want to attempt getting him rougher ..walk him in and turn him loose with your catch dog while vested. Wont take long for him to be almost straight catch if he has any metal to him.

I have had a bit of success on getting them to bay more....let him bay at the house for an extended amount of time on a hog he cannot catch...cage, wire, use a muzzle ect.  After continued practice it seems to be a mental thing.  Sometimes it works and sometimes not. All depends on how much he means to ya.

If he is busting bays and he isn't a big deal..its just easier to put dirt on his head and get one that works the way you want.
Good luck.

He is my best dog at the time being but I have two gyps that are as rough as him maybe ill just hunt the three together which I haven't been doing I have a small pen might throw a hog in there and let him bay on the outside

Put the vest on in the yard and let him wear it for several days. Mine get used to a vest in a day or 2.

know a old retired 30 lb c ur dog that will find bay and  and catchif you are down with him ,no matter the size, but you have to be there,eqauls smart dog

if hes catching and letting go , the hogs break. i my self have a pack of 3 bmc that catch right off the hood or when the hog stopps hes caught. get some wieght on his head and butt and it should slow him down or stop him .
i bet if you put one more rough dog with him that will hold a hog he will do the same or he should . but one rough dog that bites and let go will most likely break bays and make your hogs become runners .

Why you always got to be a smart ass? Answer his question or stay off the feed.

maybe you didnt see where i answered it ???

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Typically any dog u hunt  with ur rough dog will become rough. I had a good dog go almost straight catch after hunting with my friend that has rough dogs. If hunting rough or RCD is not your style then consider trading him or selling him on the other hand if that's how u like to hunt then build your pack around him like the others have said. In my opinion and to answer your question I'd have to say that yes a loneranger catchy dog will make hogs run, and if they run once and get away then they r twice as hard to catch the next time.  You either hunt rough or u don't like it that way. The guys that I know that have rough dogs catch a lot of hogs, but they also keep a lot of dogs because something is either cut,pregnant or dead all the time.LOL. It's not my style keeping rough dogs but if people know u hunt that way they will a lot of times give u good dogs  or at least sell cheap enough just on account of them being " too rough".

thanks for all the imput guys i think yall have givin me all the info i need. im gonna build my back around him and just take a bull dog for back up

             yea x 2

Golly! That's awesome, I don't think I've
Seen a 450 pound hog since back in FFA! did y'all catch him and get him on the scales? I've cuaght alot of hogs and less than a handful ever went over the 325-350 mark, if I had a 450 pounder around my
Neck of the woods I'd throw every dog I know at it.


As far as him being rough, poop or get off the pot as my pawpaw would say, meaning if you
Don't like that style don't hunt it. I had three curs earlier this year that were reasonably legit dogs and I could catch plenty of hogs withem BUT I flat won't keep a dog that makes a habit of getting itself cut. The fellas that got them dogs
Are plenty happy with em and I'm happy for them, but
I wasn't feedin no dog that I don't like.  Different strokes for different folks, don't take my opinions to heart, they're just my opinions.

A quick search of this forum revealed that the 2012 TDHA hunt tourney heavy hog winner was 320 pounds. I personally saw that hog and he was a freaking monster as well as the one in Chance Wards trailer and one other whose trailer I didnt recognize. Three truly massive hogs and the largest was 320.

The rest of my search results revealed several other statewide hunting contests were won in the heavy boar division by hogs in the low 300's.

I honestly hope I didn't create any hard feelings and I need to watch my smart mouth sometimes, but in all seriousness, hogs over 300 pounds are true trophies, 375-400 pounders are incredible freaks of nature and all these 500 pound boars that I hear about from teenagers and the like are honestly rare as hens teeth. I posted a thread called I need proof a good long while back and while it got lots of responses by members of the most visited and highest rate of membership hog hunting forum on the web where supposedly
Everyone on here is a hog hunter and catches tons of hogs every year, I didn't see many 500 pounders pictures on there. If yours was 420 pounds, then I honestly believe you and congratulate you on a world class hog.

Please, like I said, I don't mean any personal harm to you, nor am I saying your a fibber, I just don't want more kids thinking there's 500 pound hogs around every bush.

Dang this thread came back from the dead......someone is gettin bored lol


"the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland

Go get you some Bennett curs to help him out!

Every farmer from the East coast on down to the west coast has a 500 lb monster on their property.  The truth is it turns out to be a 150 lb hog. 

A hogs weight is hard to judge and unless you've put a bunch of big hogs on the scale then probably most are over guessing the weight.  Another thing I've seen, hogs look way bigger at a bay, they tend to shrink when they're tied, and when a hour or two has passed and you untie him and cut him loose, he's not even the same hog that you tied  :D

Your just in tha wrong part of tha woods t-bob because there ARE 400-500 lb hogs where im at and have caught a few.  And will prove it soon as i can figure out how to post pics.  Apparently your are csllin them a liar if you want to go ad far as showin biggest weight on some of these "hog huntin contests" 
and i aint bashin tha contests either they dont havr em arounf here.  If they did you boys would sre sone big hogs.

First off, where do you read that I called ANYONE a liar?

Second, I'm not sure wether your mad at me or if I should be mad at you or what because I read your post several times and still can't make hide nor hair of most of it. Please explain.

KICK, KICK, KICK A DEAD HORSE............. >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D

I wouldn't worry about it all! 

Pictures speak for themselves so let's see them, 400lb hog is impressive to say the least my man. I'd love to lay hands on a few myself, but they just don't make em very often and I'm not that lucky  :D

I'd love to see the pictures though, if you can't post em, I'll post em for you.

All I run is rough dogs... He'll I think this yellow dog I have came out of m Bennett's yard... He's rough as hell paid the price this morning got cut pretty good... He catches everything and size doesn't bother him.. My lead dog is hit or miss one day he bays a shoat and the next day he is hanging on a big hogs ear... And this morning he decides to bay and left river to fight the hog alone..... But I'm looking to buy one more rough baydog.... I also have a 1/2 unicorn 1/2 pit that's almost ready to help them... So don't make the mistake I did and not run enough rough dogs all you will do is get a dog killed... Good luck

Sorry man no hard feelings guess i just took it wrong my apologies i did email ba1v some pics though maybe he will post it

Hamilton Hoggers

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It took me along time and cost me some good dogs. If your going to run rough dogs keep him and get more if you want baydogs and to use your bulldog get rid of him!  I had to do it and it almost broke my heart. I found some realy good boys that were just starting out although i was offerd 2,000 for this dog and i gave him to the boys they built a rough pack around him and for 14 and 15 year old boys they catch more than thier fair share of pork and treat him like a king. Some things are worth more than money!

X2 on that there them kids would give him back Probly if you asked
you gave them kids something they will never forget

They gave me 7 pups by him and another gip out of my good silent bay dog that got killed. Hud was his son i just started him on a hog about 230 lbs and never let him chew on pigs same blood 2 diffrent type dogs its how you start them that makes them rough or loose.

No hard feelings here either, I know disagreeing with anyone on the Internet always comes out
Rudley, but that's not what I intended. Thanks for being level headed and reasonable.

This is one of the many many hogs over 400 I catch...  This one weighed right at 562...  I have a pic of the scale but it won't upload...

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Why is your light tied to that pine sapling?

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