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I've been noticing more & more that a lot of people don't have much respect for anyone or anything lately. Where did it go?
What happened to saying yes ma'am or yes sir? I swear people look at me like I have five heads in class when I say "yes ma'am or yes sir" in class.

It's called morals and this country has been steady losing it. My folks would pop me upside the head if I didn't say yes sir or yes mam etc.
It was common when I was growing up. I taught my kids the same way, but it wasn't common, It was rare. Now it is almost unheard of for any one to say yes sir, yes mam, etc. must less show any respect or compassion to their elders.  There is some and it is refreshing to see
but it is Rare. Depends on how you were/are raised I guess.

i said yes maam to a young lady the other day and she flipped and said to stop calling her that since shes not old. rolleyes

Shoot my daddy and momma woulda whooped my @$$$ if I didn't and I'm outta school with my own house now. Lol

and that my friends is the problem to much government intrusion into our lives . most of us older folkes parents would have been locked up for teaching us to respect our elders and be curtiouse to others and we would have been raised in foster homes  lol . kinda like if some-one today had seen my granny ring a chickens neck for sunday supper , if caught as sweet an ol woman as she was she would have been crucified in the media and taken to jail for animal cruelty .

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Ever wonder the real reason why the Government calls this generation now,  generation X !

It represents EXTREMELY F't UP

well ill have a brand new baby girl her by the first of the year ( ;D ). and me and my wife both agree that she will have manner and respect or she wont make it to high school ( ;D )

my 3 year old knows yes sir and maam and knows what happens if its not used when it should be...

Blame the parents. No ones job but the parents to raise a child. Government? Joke right. Be a parent,raise your kid. Don't blame outside influence s if they are a duck up,blame yourself.

   As a parent you do all you can and pray your lessons stick. Go to Utube, search Paul Harvey " If I were the Devil". I think he hit the nail on the head. The lack of Christ in our lives and country takes a toll.

Agreed.  Each family teaches their children their values.  The government allows you to teach or not teach.  But the bottom line is  ...  the result is your doing.

If you think christ is important to your families values and their respect  ...  then by all means reinforce that.  The country doesn't need to believe the way you do or in your particular god in order for you to pass your views, values and morals to your children.

cantex let me know when you have to whoop your child in the wal-mart or at a resturant and i'll watch the video's and your arrest on the evening news  lol  !!! some do gooder will have you arrested for child abuse in a heartbeat  lol a time out and an icecream cone just don't seem to get the point across and that is what this new age child rearing idiot dept. of social services  thinks is the only appropriate means of disciplining a child should consist of  lol

yep been to courthouse a few times over this very subject. nomatter if they see ya do  it or even suspect it, its your azz for RAISIN your kids the way you want to but not the way these pansies are gonna ENFORCE that you raise em.they even pound it in the kids head what they think is right. if i was to went to school and told i got my butt whipped at home the teacher woulda called my dad to see if they could do it again just good measure

you took the words right out of my mouth.
any1 who thinks the gov doesnt have a hand in raising a child, you are very wrong. the gov passes judgement on how to raise, by saying if you dont spare the rod and spoil your kid, your going away for child abuse/neglect. before the ex and i got a divorce, both kids knew to say yes/no sir/mam. now, 10yrs later my son says yea and naw, i can whip his but his half sister, i dont have much say so unless at my folks house.

I have been thinkin the same thing lately...

I just started a new job and I couldn't tell you how many times people have asked me to not call them "sir" or "ma'am." They say they ain't that old, or they just plain don't want to be called that.

I got my butt whooped if I didn't say sir or ma'am ever since I can remember, and I don't use the words to address "old people," I even say it to my 3 yr old nephew; just how I was brought up!! It's courtesy, and it's a polite way to address people.

Honestly, I couldn't stop calling people sir or ma'am even if I wanted to, but some people react to it like it's rude.  I don't get that!

I understand people were brought up different, but dang... It's hard to go from having "yessir" and "no ma'am" taught to ya since you were knee high to a grasshopper, to havin your co-workers and boss ask you not to address them that way.  

im 15 i say yes mam no mam to almost everyone older than me. esecially teachers and parents and older people. alot of people at my school dont know it but they look ignorant as heck when they think theyre being  cool. but being just plane  disrespectful. and all teachers can do is send the kid to the principal or d hall or some other form of light punishment. and if they get sent to the principals enough they almost seem to make a bond. or the principal might think of it as a racism and send the kid back. idk but ive never gotten as far as the principal or d hall or other but im just callin it how i see it.

They do form a bond! I saw a kid get his phone taken away at lunch by an ap and then I saw the ap walk by a student well known for getting in trouble who had his phone out and the ap just pointed at him.

Good thread. I too have actually OFFENDED people, particularly women, by calling them maam. Sorry it's habit for me to be polite LOL. I get the flustered look often, followed by the...."I'm not THAT old." What the hell? I'm only 30 but my kids all address me as maam, and they address their elders with sir and maam. I think it's rediculous that some people are actially so insecure about their age or whatever that they actually get offended by being addressed respectfully! I'll always be a polite person. :)

Manners are not an option!    My son who now lives with his mom started all that yea crap last year!  Guess she knows I won't tolerate it so she let's it slide.   She wasn't raised to be disrespectful, and started him with good manners.   Now I'm the only one who makes him address as mam sir, guess its just another part of her plan to try and keep him from wanting to come around me.   So bee it he will have manners when he is here.   If that stops him from wanting to come around so be it.   One day he will grow up and be thankful.

Well I'm glad to see some people agree with me. I will always say yes sir or yes ma'am. I'm only 18 now but in the future my kids will also say it. As for people being bothered by us sayin it to them, there's just something weird about that. Heck I say it to my little brothers.

they used to remind you of the yes ma"am  no ma"am in school to but thats dam sure gone by the wayside

Well we are not free to raise our children in this country. You have people that do not think God is important. They took God and the paddle out of school. When I was a kid you could hear that pop ringing down the hallway. Then in my next class they would ask me what I did rolleyes There was no way I would answer a teacher with anything other than yes mam, no mam or yes sir, no sir. I remember when I got to football practice I got called into the office I got called into the office and got my behind popped good. Then at practice I was run into the ground. Because a teacher said I was not polite. It turned out coach just heard the name wrong so the next day someone else had to get the punishment. I nevver even thought about asking for someone to say sorry to me.

I was not a Christian in school and nobody made me pray. But they sure made sure I had manners. Today when I get an attitude for being polite I just tell them that I am a real Texas man and we have manners.

Just the other day I had an older man tell me that he knew I was from Texas and so were my parents and grandparents. I asked him how he knew that. He said because when I walked up I asked if I could sit in the empty seat and said please and sir. But he knew for sure because I tipped my hat when I said it.

Manners have served me well. I have been upgraded to first class, gotten the employee rate at a hotel and so much more because of my manners. I have run into people that think if you are polite you are either stupid or weak. But they find out that is not the case soon enough. I don't have manners for other people, I have manners for myself. I have found that rude people do not respect themself so they can't respect others. But if they would respect others they would learn to respect themselves. Even if it is forced.

Neither belong in school.  There are literally hundreds of religions in the U.S.  Religious teachings belong in the home and religious facility  ...  not the public schools.

Paddling.  Having an adult beat a child with a board is not appropriate.  I instructed my children to never tolerate that and to demand that I be contacted instead.  No one, was ever allowed to beat my children with a board.

The only religion that seems to have been banned in the schools is chirtianty because we dont want to offend somebody who whorships dog turds or any other out there religion.Im not a religious person but I do see a connection between lack of some kind of religion foundation and the break down of our society. If people would just follow those 10 RULES things wuold be alot better ,but that would probably offend somebody,or violate thier rights some how.A paddling is not a beating that 60s touchy feelly crap aint cuttin it.

knew that was gonna come from RL.i wonder what its like to go thru life being perfect and everything figured out.bahhhhhaaa ;D

When was the last time you heard a non-christian prayer in school?  Do you hear muslum prayers?  How about satanic prayers?  Wikkan?



To-may-toe  ...  to-mah-to.  I was in school in the 60's.  I was beat with boards by sadistic SOBs.  So if you want your children beat by them, allow it.  Me, that is a line I refused to allow them to cross.

The problem is that there are so, so many "gods" that our diverse population worships.  As I asked  ...  would you hold the same view if your child was told he could "plug his ears"  ...  or "get the hell out of the school"  ...  or "get the hell out of the country" ...  if he didn't want to hear a muslim, jewish, wikkan, buddist, amish, episcopalian, catholic etc. prayer?



I do appreciate that.  I understand that you are being conceptual and not personal.  We just disagree on this topic. 

If yall think respect is bad there, be glad your not up north. I work in northern states and people always ask me where I'm from cause I'll say mam or sir or hold the door open for people. They also don't know what to think if you tip your hat or cap or wave at someone on the road. As far as paddling goes it didnt stunt my growth any and I knew it would be worse at home. I think the more they take God out of the schools the worse off were gonna get. Not meant to ruffle any feathers. Just my opinion.

I have a lack of respect for liberals, especially athiest ones. If you beat your kids at home, then the school would not have to. Around my house it was called an "attention getter"

RL.....I too am a child of the 60s....I too was paddled when I misbehaved. I was never 'beat' by a teacher. I, as usual, don't agree with you on this,....BUT,....I respect your freedom to speak freely here....I am curious though, what did you do to get beat with a board by sadistic SOBs? I'm not trying to be a smartass either....I am sincerely curious about that. Please explain.

 RL, if i had to subject myself or my son to living in a country that does not practice christianity, i would and expect him to abide by the religous believes of that country and to just deal with the garbage spewing out of the speakers or mouth of the people of that country. if you chose to move to another country, i would be obligated to learn THIER language and just ignore their belives that i do not hold true to. i would be a guest in their country, just as they should be considered a guest in our country.

Why should the igorance of a few that dont want to hear a prayer but put upon those that want to hold and have prayers? the scream louder than those that want the prayers, so it must be ok to violate their rights and subject them to just taking it in the back side to make the other happy that they dont have to pray or hear the prayer. when i was in iverseas, every morning and afternoon i had to listen to some long bearded muslim praying into a loud speaker. i did not ask for the man to stop, i just ignored it. i was a guest in that country.

Take your opinion out and just look at the facts. When there was prayer and paddles in school how many school shootings were there? Now everyone just thinks about themselves. I went to school orientation today. I wanted to throw up. All these laws and police on campus can't control the kids. Are you going to tell me the human race has changed that much.

I asked man that claimed to civil and thought violence was never the answer about violence and the alternatives. I asked him if an employee was out of line and being disrespectful if the best choice was to punch him in the face and tell him to go back to work. Of course this was absolutely unthinkable. So I asked what was a better choice. He said that if someone was disregardful to their boss they should be fired. I said that was of course the more civil thing to do. Because punching was just a crazy example. I mean you could leave him with a black eye or a broken nose. Of course you should fire him so that he can't feed his family and ends up homeless. Because that is much more civil.

I had the paddle put across my backside many times and I am alive. So you are saying that I should have been introduced to the penal system because the paddle is wrong? RL you are not a teacher are you?

Which God or religion? How about the one this country was founded on. But this is in the Bible. It say Christians will be persecuted in the end times. So bring it on. There will be a day of judgment if I am right and there will be eternal reward for those that believe and eternal punishment for those that don't believe. But if you are right what have the believers lost?

I don't sense that you are being a smartass.  I was hit with a board many, many times.  It was common practice.  Why?  I don't recall.

I find it strange how we all want to raise our children with our right to raise them our way, without government interference, yet somehow allowing a 3rd party adult to strike them is being defended.  I think you should be allowed to choose how you discipline your children, short of crossing the line into abuse.  I don't think I should lose my right to not have a 3rd party strike my child because you would allow it.  I don't think the government (school) should have the right to override my view.  That is all I am saying.  Thankfully, they don't.

First, I am not a teacher.  I am a CPA.

Secondly, I am not saying that school paddling and the penal system are interconnected.  Not sure there is linkage.  Plenty of people were paddled in school still ended up in the penal system.  Plenty of them who were paddled never ended up there.  Plenty of people who were not paddled have ended up there.  And many who were not paddled have never ended up in the penal system.  I do not see a correlation.

Third, I am glad you are sill alive.  I don't think surviving school paddling (or anything similar) is a goal I sent my children to school to achieve.

Well I'm 21 now. I remember when I was little if I so much as said no when my grandparents told me to do something I got lit up no matter where we were at lol .but heck I think I turned out ok don't due dope  and I graduated high school and college by the time I was 21 so I think I'll raise my kids the way I was raised. , they raised me,

 Both of my sisters are teachers. One High School and the other Jr. High. Some of the stories they tell me and some of the things that kids say to them are horrible. I'm 36, and when I was in school I might think something bad but I did'nt say it to the teacher. I knew if I did it was a paddle at school and even worse when I got home . Too many kids are diagnosed with behavioral problems or ADHD, all most of them need are some bruises on their butt. Over medicating children and time outs don't work but a good come to Jesus meeting does. All of these alternative classes for kids that act up don't work. It is just a way for them to get out of class and not do their work which is what they wanted to begin with. Put a paddle on their butt and send them back to class.

As far as Christian prayer in school goes, I thank God it was there when I went to school. I know a few Atheist and most of them are good people with good morals, but I think that their good morals come from values that were instilled in them and those basic values come from a Christian foundation from past generations in their family. They can scream Atheist all they want to but most of their ancestors were from a Christian based religion. This country was founded on freedom of religion, and yes that also includes freedom to no religion. But I want my children to be able to pray in school if they want to and I never saw a child forced to pray if they did'nt want to when I was in school. I don't care how you look at it, there is no denying that most of the laws and moral codes of this country were based on Christian beliefs. Just imagine if they were based on Sharia Law or Satanic beliefs. I believe that most of the problems with todays children comes from a lack of discipline, a lack of GOD and a lack of a blistered butt !

I tell you what, I don't have kids now but if I did and a someone other than myself or their father paddled them I would have a Major problem with that. In my eyes a teacher should call the parents, make them aware of the problem & let them handle it how ever they choose to.

My problem is when a police officer questions my child without me being there or giving my permission. Getting a paddle without my permission is one thing but being questioned by police can have legal consequences that last for a lifetime. RL I am saying the paddle has been taken out and a penal system put in its place. A child lost his phone and said my son stole it. Nobody contacted me until after my son was questioned by the police. My son had not taken the phone and could not have but his rights were violated in a way much worse than a paddle.

Dodgegirl I mean no disrespect when I say that the fact that you have problem with the paddle is exactly the social problem I am talking about. There used to be a show called Star Trek. On that show was the very logical character Spock. He did not have emotions and did not state opinions. In a Star Trek movie everyone was going to die so he went into the room and saved everyone else but was going to die from exposer. He told Captain Kirk "the needs of the many out way the needs of the few or one." Today people say the needs of the few or the one out way the needs of the many. That is just not logical.

RL I know your occupation and I know you are not a teacher. As far as praying it is a documented medical fact not opinion that people that are prayed for have faster recovery if they are prayed for. Even if the patient does not know they are being prayed for.

A 1993 Israeli survey following 10,000 civil servants for 26 years found that Orthodox Jews were less likely to die of cardiovascular problems than "nonbelievers." And a 1995 study from Dartmouth College in Hanover, N.H., monitoring 250 people after open-heart surgery concluded that those who had religious connections and social support were 12 times less likely to die than those who had none.

In an attempt to understand the depression that often accompanies hospitalization, Duke University researchers assessed 1,000 hospital patients from 1987 to 1989; patients who drew on religious practices, including prayer, were found to cope far better than those who didn't.

In the most widely publicized studies of the effect of intercessory prayer, cardiologist Randolph Byrd studied 393 patients admitted to the coronary-care unit at San Francisco General Hospital. Some were prayed for by home-prayer groups, others were not. All the men and women got medical care. In this randomized, double-blind study, neither the doctors and nurses nor the patients knew who would be the object of prayer.

The results were dramatic and surprised many scientists.The men and women whose medical care was supplemented with prayer needed fewer drugs and spent less time on ventilators. They also fared better overall than their counterparts who received medical care but nothing more. The prayed-for patients were:

Significantly less likely to require antibiotics (3 patients versus 16)

Significantly less likely to develop pulmonary edema-a condition in which the lungs fill with fluid because the heart cannot pump properly (6 versus 18).

Significantly less likely to require insertion of a tube into the throat to assist breathing (0 versus 12).

Less likely to die (but this difference was not statistically significant).

I could go on and on. I grew up in a home that church was a four letter word. I know for a fact that there is a God and if you seek God with all your heart you will find God. I was drunk the night I cried out for God and God heard me and changed my life and who I am. So I ask you if someone wanted to speak out loud to all the kids and said a dragon was coming to burn the city down and eat everyone who would be upset? So then why when someone says Jesus will return and judgment will be passed and you will either go to Heaven or hell do people get so upset? I drive by a man that stands on the side of the road or in the field yelling at the air and fighting the air. Nobody seems too concerned about him. If the Christians are just crazy and speaking to the air why do people want to shut them up? If I said you were the worst mechanic in Texas would you be upset? What if I said you were the worst CPA? People only get upset about the truth and/or if it can actually cause damage to them. No person gets to decide who goes to Heaven or hell so why do people get upset about a simple prayer?

So some people support Christ and are pro-Christ. Some are against Christ and are anti-Christ. I would say you are either pro-Christ or anti-Christ. The line is drawn in the sand and you have to pick a side. Of course maybe I am just crazy but then why would you be upset?

Dub 
I'm looking for the like button!

 There is no like button. You've got to go old school and enter it manually ! ;D
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I agree.  It was wrong.  I guess the solution is to teach our children their legal rights and to demand that their parents be present before answering any Qs.  Not easy to do as they are typically intimidated by authority figures  ...  but I'm with you  ...  they should have a parent present.

Dub, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your post.  Thank you.

I am glad you enjoyed it and I hope it made you think.

There are more disrespectfull kids than respectfull these days.  I blame it on video games internet ..mostly just internet? We dont get cable its not a necessit

Out of curiosity why?

I feel that its the parents job to teach their kid right from wrong. And if the child does something wrong its the parents job to correct it. You don't really know your child's teacher all that great, so its like letting a stranger pop your kid. That just the way I see it.

Well do you hear the way kids talk to teachers? I promiss you that did not happen when the paddle was used. The little old lady teacher would just call the coach. They did not just go around giving pops to all the kids. Now I got more than most. But I can tell you I deserved almost everyone of them. Most kids never got a pop.

But to me it teaches kids respect. The kids know without a doubt who is in charge. If you can teach your kid that then they would never see the paddle. Me I was (am) hard headed.

I knew a guy from Jamaica. I was the most well mannered person you could meet. Were talking about teachers using the paddle and how people wanted it out of the school. He said that if you got out of line in school the teacher would get the paddle. But he said Jamaica is a small island so everyone knew if you got in trouble at school. So when you were going home the women would come out and spank you as you went home. When you got home your mother would spank you. Then when your father got home home you got spanked again. So the children were very well behaved.

If you think a parent can control every child you have not met many children. I work with children at my church. I do not use any punishment at all. They can send me the worst child and I can get most in line. Mostly bcause I am big and loud but I never threaten them. Instead I listen and talk to them. I make sure they know I care. I have had children listen to me that were completely out of control and nobody could control them. But there are children that it does not work. In that case we only have two hours to deal with them. Those are the children that the paddle can keep in line. That was the kid I was. I was going to do what I wanted when I wanted. Unless my mom was there because I knew I would get spanked. It all kept me in line. So as a child that got that [addle many times I think it should be used and if the parent does not lik it then teach the child to behave. Because this is the real world and parents won't always be there to correct the hard headed children.

Of course this is just my opinion. We don't have to agree. I can respect the opinion of others. I know at my nephew's school the parents can say yes or no to the paddle. I think that is a great option. So if the child should get the paddle suspend them and let the parents have to miss work to care for their out of control child. Me I say put that paddle on their behind and I bet they change that behavior. ;D I would rather get punched in the face than get fire from a job too.

i got thirty seven licks from a paddle from an ag teacher. that doesnt include the ones from vp or coachs. i desserved all of the. if my focks found out i got it again at home. think it made a better man out of me. i had two daughters and they were raised the same. never had to get them out of jail or drug rrehab. the man that wrote how to raise kids without punishment well his son committed suicide. imagine that

My parents have never paddled any of us kids and we've all turned out well mannered and very respectful. My pops use to give us a look that would just scare the you know what out of us and we would stop what we were doing & never do it again. Or he would sit us down and talk to us.

  I know some kids like you just described. Give them a good hard look and they straighten up. My oldest boy is like that . All you have to do is put a good guilt trip on him and he is good for a couple of weeks. But my youngest is the exact opposite. He is a clone of me when I was young. He's hyper active, extremely smart, hard headed, bad temper and prone to really mess up if he gets bored. If it was'nt for many belts at home and paddles at school then I know I probably whould have ended up in prison. When I was a kid it was understood between all of the parents of my friends and I that if one of us messed up then the other parents could whoop us too and nobody had a problem with it and I took plenty of spankings from my friends parents. I guess maybe the parents all knew eachother very well and trusted eachother. Schools want to expel children for everything now. I would rather my kids take a couple licks with a paddle and go back to class than get expelled from school for a week.

Anecdoctal support for your view?  I have a son and a daughter.  Neither were struck as a means of discipline, especially by a virtual stranger (teacher, coach, etc.).  One is an Army officer and the other a physicist.  Neither has ever been in jail or drug rehap.

The fortunate thing is that all this discussion will never lead back to the day when teachers had the unfettered right to assault a child.  You as an individual might give permission.  That is your choice.  But they will never had that option again without parental consent.   Many of you may view that as a bad thing.  I view it as a good thing.

I have three children and they are all completely different and must be treated different. I would give full permission to paddle my oldest and just let me know what he did. My second son I would want to be contacted before he was paddled. My daughter I would not let get paddled.

What I think is funny is that people with no children or one child have all the answers. Two think they have a good understanding. Three and they know that they don't know. Parents with four or more children never give parenting advice just encouragement. Why? Because they know that every child is different. There is not one way that will work on every child from the same family so the parents have to figure it out. They also know that parenting is very stressful.

But dodgegirl remember it takes a village to raise a child. That means you are going to need help. There is no way you can do all the discapline. My aunt tried it and it lasted until the third child. To be honest she just looked crazy.

At church there are two boys. They were so bad people did not want them to come to church. Their poor mother was doing her best but was at her wits end dealing with them. So I tried talking to them but they would not listen. The one day they hit several kids. I knew they had been fussed at so many times already. So when they hit my son and a few others. I stopped them. With my two bad knees I got down and looked them in the eyes and said "did you know that I want to hit people too? I want to hit poeple most of the time." You should have seen their faces. Nobody had every just said they understood. Maybe because most people don't want to hit people. But then I talked about why I don't hit people. Then I just listened to them. After that when they were out of control I would get called. Now I would like to say that I could always calm them down but I always had time for them. When others could not understand why I would work with them and ignore the other kids I just kept on. I was able to talk to the mom and explain why her boys acted like they did. If the mother had handled all the discapline and not let someone else help they would still be out of control. The mom was and is a great mom. I only helped her understand her sons because I listened and then I could explain to the mom what the boys could not. Now when I see them they are always where they should be and behaving. That is because of their mom. When I talk to them they still climb on me. It takes a village to raise kids. Always be open to let others help. Now I am not saying that means let everyone correct your child. You pick the village.

I just wish there was more parent involvement and parents really trying to understand their children.

Excellent point.  It should be a parental decision, not a blanket one size fits all type.


Wouldn't that be nice.  All we can control is our own involvement.  We should all strive for that.

Dads paddle mommas pine tar soap and pawpaws wire end of a fly swatter always kept me in line haha

Spare the rod, spoil the child

Amen Stick!!!!

spoiling the child is the american way nowdays. the gov wants to step in and tell you how to raise your kids, but wont take the credit for their poor maners

The Government school is not there to discipline your child or teach them which god they should worship.....

They should teach them to read, write and math skills....

discipline is your job....

you want them to learn about god in school...send them to your choice private school to teach them whatever god you want.


Pretty simple to me!

Be real clear. I do not want the school teaching about God. I don't want God kicked out. When a child can't pray the way they want without restrictions I think it is wrong. I am saying student lead prayer should be allowed in school. The american taliban wants communal prayer but a student can't unless they are Muslim. I am saying that students should have the same freedom of speach and freedom of religion as everyone else.

The biggest problem I see is the total lack of respect by many of the children. The fact is that many parents do not discapline their children. It is not just the teachers that have to deal with it. The other students have to deal with it. The involved parents have problems with their kids because of the other kids. If the parents won't teach their child to respect the teachers the teachers should be allowed to. Because look at the total lack of respect for police. Well the lack of respect for authority starts in school. They call the police on the kids now. They hear a bunch of tough talk but nothing happens. When I was a kid they did not call the police they grabbed the paddle and the buck stopped on your butt. You learned to respect authority. I still say sir or mam to the police even if I think they are a jerk. How many kids do that today? I was talking to a teacher and asked him about the paddle or the police. He said the penal system makes money the paddle does not. Money is more imprtant to the school than children. That is the bottom line. It is all about money.

I see people tell their kids to do something and they say no or why I think wow if I told my parents anything but yes sir or mamm I would be laying on my back looking at the stars ready to do any chore they asked

I strongly disagree the penal system is badly backed up partly due to bs that should be handled at home,  it doesn't make money it cost us money...  Then if something that is court worthy it takes months or years to get to court beacuse of the backup of bs cases.       

When I was in school one of my good buddies dad was the principle for several years.  He was also a baptist preacher.   He was stern but fair.  He always gave a choice of punishment, the board or suspension. The paddle won 95% of the time.  He is a smaller man but could hit you do hard it picked you off the ground.  He always told you to grab the desk before a swat, and always looked you straight in the eye afterwards and shook your hand.  He did this to let you know he wasn't mad or holding a grudge against you, that you were punished for your actions.   It didn't take many trips to see him and you acted rite!    I believe if you were to have gone back the next period he would be as fair as if you had never been to his office.   He is one of the kindest most respected men I know...heck he preformed my wedding.....

  Dub,
        The more of your post I read the better I like you. I grew up in a very healthy Christian home. My pop has been a deacon for 30 something years. My parents were very strict. Love them for it. Sometimes I think I'm too strict on my daughter, but everytime I meet one of her teachers they all brag on how good of a kid she is.
        My daughters biggest complaint about school is the disruptive kids in the classroom. Funny that it's usually, but probably not always the children of those parents that do not properly discipline their children.
        Dub, you are welcome around my campfire anytime.

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Agreed.

I'm a new parent I have two kids one is 3 the other is 1, and I'll be damned if anybody is gonna tell me how to raise them, government or CPS don't mean much to me, maybe I'll get in trouble over it but my kids are my everything and I will do what I think is necessary when I think it's necessary I don't care who's watching, and god help whoever tries to take them from me!