EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

MAN would I love to get up there and do that!!!! That looked like SO much fun! I was watching that episode last night and I was so excited, LOL, almost sounded like I was watching a football game haha

That was exciting

There are some helo companies that u can rent the acft out and shoot from it. I enjoyed my time flying but my targets were on 2 legs n shot back but i think aerial hoggin would still be fun

I bet if that was your lease where you hunted your dogs every week you wouldn't be so excited!!! It's a shame for someone to slaughter hogs like that and talk about how many they killed but did not say a word about the winners of Los casadoris hunt or how may hogs were taken out on that hunt......

From what I understood they were taking the hogs off of farms that requested them to do it. I thought it was awesome. Besides there are plenty of hogs to go around.

10-4 on that. I've been on the ground after such events and seen first hand, the suffering of 80% of the hogs they shoot at. Ended up havin to get a gun of my own and put several out of their misery. Expected as much from that bafoon, pigman character, but not from Nuegent

They can't stand 2 hundred a day and still be plenty to go around you must have rose colored glasses on or just don't care about a hog or dog.

shoot i'd wear them rose colored glasses an shoot the piss outta them hogs if someone let me in a helicopter with that kinda weapons

How does thinking it would be fun to burn up a few hundred rounds of ammo popping hogs make someone less of a dog man. These places could not allow any dog hunters at all and just want to get rid of the hogs and stop the lost crops and money loss they are causing. Granted the hog population would take a big hit if over 200 were shot a day but the land owners that are having this done are obviously loosing their a** if they are going to these measures. I think it would be a blast, I wouldn't want to do it on my hunting grounds but for some farmers/ranches that just want them gone

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i say give it a few years and the runners will learn to hide. if they add that against the doggers then no more 10 mile bays  ;D ;D ;D

How many hogs have you shot sitting still in a truck while the hog is still with a real rifle and still had them survive it, get up and Hual butt?

The flyboys are effective but waaaaaaaayyy overestate their effectiveness. In wooded areas, GOOD dogs are still more effective if you wanna do an actual cleanout.

I  know a certain dog running removal company that beat the helicopter removal company in a wooded county last year...   ;).  :-X

i was just biotching about this pig man show to a buddy this morning. The hogs sure seam to have thinned down in the places we hunt. When I heard they shot 270 in 7 hours it made me sick.....  ??? our problem probably doesnt have much to do with the heli hunters but who knows. Where have the hogs gone?

bet people would be ticked if it was wild horses they shot that way or feral cows. they would both probably do as much damage i bet.or them wild non native goats.

any body can shoot hogs , but to catch and ty one cuts the boys from the men . that is the hole rush to me is flipping and tying with my hands . just my .02 cnts  . go uncle ted

I won't do no griping about the helicopters. They do a much needed service in a timely fashion and are actually pretty cost effective as well as fun.

They never kill as many as they claim
You can go right behind them and still catch good hogs
And, no matter how big a mouth the bush pilot has, some hogs will not leave cover and therefore they are not as effective as GOOD dogs in SOME areas.

i guess thats the only way pigman can get a hog. i know he come over here to alabama and hunted 4 days in a competion hunt and i dont think he even caught 1 hog. someone that enjoyed dog hunting would not go out and do that, it just makes no sense to go shoot them if your a dog hunter, them farmers are not loosing money they have insurance on everybit of them crops

That is flawed logic at best!?!? You probably have insurance on your home and truck but would you let some thug break into your house and steal all your stuff, then stratch your truck all to heck and pee in your gas tank? You wouldn't be losing no money, you got insurance right?

Farmers ain't in business to feed hogs, keep doggers happy and make insurance claims!! It's a dang business! It behooves us as hog doggers to keep the farmers and landowners happy, and if we see that our dogs ain't able to compete, then we'd better start looking for more specialized solutions.

Call me what you want but I personally would LOVE to go heli hog hunting. I don't see how it makes a person any less of a dog man. Dont get me wrong, there aint nothing like gettin your hands on a big nasty boar hog but i wouldnt hesitate at the offer to go airborne on em


"the sun is shining somewhere in texas" -Jason Boland

well teach the porkers to use anti-aircraft guns and it will keep the non doggers in business. come on, them farmers have to earn a living, make sure you got food in your stomach, cloths on your back. more items than you think are made from crops tht are part of daily life. the hogs tear it up and eat the profit, it makes the prices of products go up when there is less of it bc hogs destroyed the crops.

Wow. I think some took this thread a bit too extreme. I wasn't getting into politics here, or dogs vs. choppers........

I was simply stating that it looked like a fun time, being up in a chopper, with those awesome guns, taking down feral hogs that were tearing up this man's privately owned farmland! 

Since it got brought up, I am NO less of a dogwoman, just because I said that wuld be fun. If I had a choice, running dogs vs. choppers, of COURSE I'd
run my dogs! For me, I'll likely never even get the chance in my life to do a chopper hunt. It was FUN TO WATCH. Like someone else mentioned, that farmer may have preferred for whatever reason to NOT have dogs run on his property. Not all landowners like us running dogs for whatever reasons, and they have that right.

Good LAWD. And are we forgetting that these are neusance animals??? That destroy people's properties and means of a living?? I know we get to have fun running them down and hunting them, but isn't it ultimately a good thing for them to be killed? If hogs are scarce in whatever areas, maybe there's alot of folks hunting those spots??? Who knows! All I know is that I find it highly unlikely that the hog population will be extinct anytime soon. In the meantime, I'm have a BLAST runnin my dogs and takin' em out one at a time!

Well said,,,,,,,   8)

na, we couldnt do that to feral horses. we have to kick the ranchers off the BLM so the horses can have it to ruin it for cows, wildlife & everything else, then we have to give the government $500 of our tax dollars per horse, per year,till they die of old age, to feed the excess of em that nobody wants while they graze on thousands of acres of privately owned grass that used to produce beef. at least you can still kill the hogs & use the meat.

Let them shoot all they want too!  It won't get all the hogs.  Maby if there were fewer hogs it would eliminate some fly by night want to be doggers!!!

Agreed. I would enjoy heli-hunting for hogs,.....not to totally eradicate 'em,....but to trim the population a bit.

Been looking for this, I was disappointed in the show and how it supported the heli killing. I thought they would kill 30 or 40 hogs not 272. I have hunted all kind of animals for 40 years and the show made me sick and almost scary on how someone or group of people could enjoy killing hogs or any animal over and over and over. What is it was deer (they eat the crops) would it be OK to go kill 272 deer in 7 hours,,,,,I was very dispointed in the show.   Did some math just to show some numbers.   25 helis hunt 2 days a week across the state, each kill 200 hogs a day, thats 10,000 a week.  JMO!!!!

This hunt took place just a few miles from my house.  Big ranch, no the land owner doesn't allow dogs, that's fine his place.  I didn't see the show so I don't know when it was recorded but they have flown this ranch  twice in the last 4-5 months.  A different group has flown another ranch about 8 miles down river twice in the last year killing about Tue same amount of hogs both times and I have went in and caught plenty of hogs after that.  Might be lots o hogs in this area.  When they destroy their property their livelyhood somethings got to give.  But hey it might push em out on some of my places for a while and I'll have good huntin.

Any one know some one with a chopper? Rice farmers along the coast are always looking for people to kill'em.

Heck i gun 3 to 4 times a month when the leaves are off and 1 t
Or 2 times when they are on. Its a rush but there is no way i would go up with those jack offs . We go thru a week long course  on safety in the chopper , gun safety and situational awereness so many things can and do go wrong . Even with the training we still loose pilots and gunners in the agency. Hogs are like shooting fish in a barrel the real challenge is yotes and bobcats. If i told you how many we kill in the state of texas in a year you would soil your pants. So even though i use dogs to make a liveing and  hunt almost every day i guess  im not a dog man because i use a chopper as a tool along with dogs, traps and snares to control hogs in my county.

You use dogs to pad your pocket not because you like dogging.

E Barnes, do you know "hillcountry"... Pete?
I do, he's a friend of mine. He loves running dogs just as much, if not more, than you, me and everyone else on here. He's fortunate enough to "live the dream" and get to do it for a living.

That was a pretty sorry thing to say.

 I don't know hill country but I can tell he one of the few left if you know what I mean.  E Barnes, that remark is ment towards others not like him. Makes you look like a jack azz with a comment like that.

E barnes   Its not my fault you have to lease land to hunt your dogs and here we have ranchers and farmers paying us for a service. Im not lineing my pockets by far just a little bit to help with fuel, vet bills and dog food. Heck my wife says if im not hunting,  im at the kennels, or working pups , im talking to somebody on the phone about it. So  if im not a dog man give me your definition of  one . 

Hill country you sound just like me sorry for the miss understanding. I guess I just can't understand that yalls hog #s we just don't have that many here and everybody is trying to trap shoot or kill the last one just put a bitter taste in a dog hunters mouth sorry again.

Well hold on pardner cause good things are comeing to you!  In 1986 we had to drive to the head of the river to kIll a hog. Thats 18 miles . One ranch stocked hogs for thier hunters and  by 1996they are like ants. On one of my good places there are so many that we  dont road the dogs because they willrun sows all night. We track hunt and look for slober on the protien feeders  . Some easttexas  guys say they see more hogs in one night then in a year  in east texas.

Where I'm from , no self respecting "Hogman" would attempt to "slaughter" hogs to let rot or suffer, let alone get a rush from it. ;) To each his own.

Didn't look like they were letting them sit and rot to me when they had caravans of rangers going around picking them up as they finished an area. ;) You really think Uncle Ted would want to be seen as that wasteful as much as he teaches use the meat?

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Even if they were being left, it ain't wasting,'buzzards and coyotes gotta make a livin too.

You know the circle of life

I leave em layin all the time when i catch em with dogs. It aint gone hurt hog population. If landowners want em dead i kill em. Like tbob said buzzards got to eat too

Helicopter shoots like that may seem horrible to those that don't have the hog numbers like most areas have in Texas, but it's a part of the management program for most large ranchs in Texas. 
They do them on the ranch I hunt 2 - 3 times every year in the early spring.  There is a game biologist along on every flight keeping count of the animals, both deer and hogs, that are seen.  This year, on 3 shoots, they got around 500 hogs and that is a low number due to the bad weather they had on 2 of the shoots.  Low rain and clouds prevented them from killing more.
And 500 may seem like  a lot of hogs, but the biologist will tell you, it barely made a dent in the population.   
Someone mentioned "you wouldn't shoot deer like this and they eat crops."  That is true.  But deer just eat crops and certainly don't multiply like a hog can, not to mention the damage a group of hogs can do the property.
The ranch I hunt is all South Texas brush, not a crop or hay field on it.  It is a true, working cattle ranch, cowboys on horseback and all.  But the hogs rooted up the open areas so bad last year, they destroyed what little native grasses there were for the cattle to eat, not to mention the damage they did to the roads all across the ranch.  In most places it looks like a mortar attack occurred.  Roads so rough and rooted up a truck can't navigate it without jarring your guts out and it takes another hired hand to drive a dozer to repair the damage.  And when your lively hood depends on healthy cattle, hogs are nothing more than a 200 lb cockroach.  Do people cry over the dead cockroaches when there is an infestation and the exterminator comes and kills hundreds in a few minutes? 
We are allowed to shoot from helicopters because they have infested south Texas and no one in this area feels any remorse over the dead hogs, trust me.  People want them dead, not tied, not sold, DEAD.  And they sure as heck don't care how they die or what happens to them after they are dead.  I have 3 rules to live by when hunting on the ranch;
1. Don't leave a carcass in the road , 2. Drag their carcass from the water if killed in a pond or stream, and 3. KILL every hog that I catch.
I grew up with the same mantra all hunters grow up with, "If you kill it, you eat it!"  Well, that was before I moved to South Texas and it's hog population.  Most hogs are shot on sight around here, by just about anyone that carries a gun and has time to stop and get a decent sight picture.  Not a good sight picture, just a decent sight picture. 
The old saying, "The only good snake is a dead snake" has been changed, around here it's "The only good hog is a dead hog!"
You don't have to like it, but it is what it is.
I just wish we could shoot gators in the same fashion.  Stinkin' things are just about as thick as the hogs around here and I've never lost a dog to hog, but dang sure have to a gator. 

I did the Los Casadores tournament and our team beat em... it was kinda sad what they weighed in..

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The fun ships aré an exellent way to help the hog problema. i Remember when you there were Just a few hogs enough to keep a pack  of dogs we used our cow dogs. but now where i hunt and we run dogs catch and tired 150 head two yrs  agosto. but they aré so bad they have run the deer out you cant feed corn without a pen and a hog will eventually tear  pen and. those folks that can afford the helicópteros can keep it up. they will always be hogs to run the ones that we run lean quick how to avoid our dogs. so keep killing the fire out of them.

Well well! Ebarnes, give me a break man! This was an 11,000 acre ranch and they farmed all the bottoms! These hogs were costing them thousands of $$$$'s in crop damages and this is what he wanted to do to get rid of as many hogs as possible... I'm sure his last concern was having you a place to run your dogs! I own and raise my own dogs! Absolutely luv the sport and will always hunt my dogs! Sorry if we don't measure up to you and your standards but there are other issues with hogs besides you having 1000's laid up for you to catch. If for one minute think that these helicopter hunts are going to erratiicate hogs then you are wrong...... Sorry to stir you up so bad!!

As far as team Pigmancoming to Alabama, we arrived 2 days after the hunt had started, went to a place that had been hunted 2 days in front of us, and to another place that was right on the river and caught several hogs. We weighed in the decent pigs nothing big and catch several choats throughout the 3 day stay..... Are we experts?? Hell no, are we the best?? Hell no!! Never claimed to be we just broadcast our hunts on TV... Good luck men and let's stick together very chance we get!! Long live the sport!!!

Keith you were there on the helicopter hunt so what was actually done with all the hogs that were shot.  To heck with the buzzards and the coyotes they can find food somewhere else.  Ted Nugent is always preaching about killing for food and living on what you kill so if they were killed just to protect a man's crop and left to waste that would make him a hypocrite.  So maybe you can clear this up Keith.

I was on the ground running a camera with guys on 3 rangers picking up as many of the hogs we could get to. Did we get them all no but we took as many as we could to be gutted, cleaned and fed to the hungry.