EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Hey guy i just want to talk about people that want to much for there dogs like that guy that want to sell them cow dog for 1000,2000,or 1500 hes crazy man thats just screwing people out of there money theres not a dog ill pay for that much unless i can set at the house and tell him to go get the cow and work them by him self and the strick dogs for 1000 man thats dum pay all that money and he might get killed that night all the dog i have i payed 50 to 100 and there just as good hood or off the box dont trail bark 100% trash broke and people want 500 for a pup that might work well guys dont let them screw you out of your money cause they will and i have pure blackmouths and cats and  hounds but the best dogs i have are muts that people dont want to put up with and let me tell you they will hunt just as good as them $1000 to $5000 dogs or better thats all i have to say. 
Thinks for your time and good hunting

ha ha  hell youngun tell us how you really feel !!! lol   you ain't buying a dog as much as you are paying for the TIME invested in getting a dog to be worth that much money  .  it all boils down to   time = money  . you can't justify paying that much hell don't . stop and figure your feed and vet bills on a 4 or 5 year old dog and then figure how many hours you've spent with that dog and add it all up . you might then get to where you can price a dog  lol

a dog is worth what someone will pay. Just because you wont spend 1500 plus on dog doesnt mean I wont. Just the same has I might expect my dog to cast out and find the hog vs walking them to it.

Would you sell your dogs for 100 bucks??

x2

I will sell u a picture of my dog for 100 ;D then can hang in the woods with a set of hobbles under itmaybee the hog will tie himself up rather then have his ears ripped off lol  :laugh:

Your dog feed must be free!   Not all cases but most in life you get what you pay for!    If you haven't ever hunted with a $2000 dog how would you know if you wanted one or not!   To many hunting is way more than catching a few every now and again!    If someone chooses to put money in dogs instead of soup hounds that's their business.  Or in 4 more yrs of Obama it could be the govt business.  Then they can take away all dogs, they may give some back.   Distributing them out equil!    Lol

Lion and bobcat hounds can easily hit the 5k mark. My hounds don't have a price.

Heck a collar costs $150 up. Dog gotta be worth more than that

If you dont like the price of a mans dogs then dont buy it............ Also dont say he is ripping people off either it takes a lot of time to make a dog.

Strangely as it may sound, I agree with this fellow.

The more "hog dogs" i see, the more I believe most of them, even the "jam up" ones  shouldn't be worth more than a few bags of food.  

All the people that are talking about the time and effort in training them, well, that's your deal. You chose to do that on your own. There are too many people trying to get out of debt by selling one dog.  :-\ But! On the other hand, if you don't agree with the price that's an easy fix, dont buy it.

With that said, I have noticed the price of dogs slowly rise through out the year. Anyone know why? (legitimate question, not starting nothing).

If a dog isn't any good, it don't matter how much time energy effort vet bills or feed has been thrown at it, it still isn't any good. If all the time and such pays off and it makes a good dog, then a person can justify puttn a bigger price on it. If all it can find is a food bowl, and you've put a couple or a few years into it, it is still only a feed burner.   

ya'll are stuck in the hog dog world . there is a whole wide world full of dogs that hunt other game . the price of a hog dog is dirt cheap and set at the bottom dollar of the dog world as it is . expand your horizons and go and start priceing you out a finished lab or a started pointer for quail . then go and check the big game and coon hound prices . hell a sho nuff good squirrel dog will cost you 1500.00 dollars  lol . hog doggers have got it made even with the 2500.00 dogs that are out there . right now the average price on a purty good dog is only 500.00 dollars consider yourselves lucky it won't last forever .

In general prices (for anything) are determined by the availability and demand of the desired item.  If these $50 and $100 dogs you speak about were really that good, then no one would be paying any more than that.  People pay what they feel something is worth, and I sure wouldn't think anyone would feel they got the short end of the stick as long as the purchase (for whatever price) meets their expectations.

Besides...what concern is it of anyone how someone else chooses to spend their money. 

Since I'm one of the guys your talking about offer me $1,500.00 for the gyp I've priced at 2k. I'll turn you down. Am I crazy...maybe but that's my business and not yours. You ain't got to throw dirt on very many 2 & 300 dollar puppies that you bought and raised for a year to have that much money invested and still have nothing.
You can adopt a mustang for $150 but how many of those you going through to find what you like in a horse. Doubt I ever would.
As far as that goes milk, bread and gas are to high...have you quit buying that!
Like my add states, only selling two or three and keeping the others and I priced according to how I like them.
And don't accuse me of screwing anybody! You don't have to buy them...nobody "has" to buy them. There is not one puff of smoke in that add!
I value what I got...invested lots of time, money, miles and energy to get here.
Glad you have been able to find dogs that suit you cheap. You are fortunate. Hope they keep serving you well. Best of hunting.

Heck halfbreed they ain't even gotta hunt people out there pay couple grand to make a dog look purty in an arena , I like mine to look ruff in the woods what I see a lot of people doin is buying these 50 100 $ dogs is turning around a week later askin if they should cull it ??? Really u get what u pay for imo but u must als do yer research into what yer buying and the history of that dog its yer responsiblity to know and choose to pay what u. Please

Price rising through out year? Easy enough I think. Dogs that were just gettin started in January are started to well started in September. Also, anyone who is serious about hog huntin wants a dog that will be ready to go come January 2013. Supply and demand?

If you have good dogs people will pay you what ever you ask...

I would think of it this way . How much would y'all charge a month to train a dog? ?? Gun dog, cowdog, coondog, any dog.

Id be willing to bet that myself and alot of other guys on here would be more than happy to tell you to bring your dogs and lets find out

yea price them finished (truly finished) bird dogs, labs, or pointers, health certifed and all. Really be suprised there. Check out some just health certifed golden retriever pups un started

At jon no joke on the goldens my buddy raises um and u want a puppy papered with health certicate 2000 !!! :o

I enjoy my dogs and training, that's why they don't have a price on em.  If you was to ask me to price them, it'd be ridiculous just so you wouldn't ask again.

And if you decided to pay that ridiculous price for em, well I'm a man of my word and would sell you the dog.  On one hand I'd be aggravated and alil sad over my dog, but my wife shire would be happy  :laugh:

Ive seen 8wk old pups 3800... Them gun dogs high dollar

I will also agree with him.  I have given away some well started dogs. Seen them back on the dog trade for decent money. Did I get screwed for not asking that money I don't think so.  I don't really think that it is right but oh well part of it.  Now that being said I have offered damn good money for one dog that I really liked and got turned down on him. Offering price and asking price imo are two different things.

x2...no matter how cheap or expensive a dog...there are only 3 types of hunting dogs... good to great dogs and culls...

I agree that some people may get ripped off. But I do think a good one is worth that much. Yeah they are people that will sell a good one that's completely finished for 500 and yet some will want 500 for a papered puppy. If you got the money and the dog is worth it buy it. If not then don't but like others said you could get 5 free puppies and feed and cull for 2-5 years and at the end if you do have one left there is just as good a chance hes not what you could of bought for the same amount or less than what you spent on them puppies over the years. I know some people will admit that if they could of started over they would start with finished dogs instead of puppies. It took me a long time to get what I have and it might not be much but would of been cheaper in the long run.

hansonw...you make some good points...but buying 3 or 4 pups from a good line of dogs could possibly set you up with some dogs that can't be bought in 2 years...

and those pups, because they are bred right and proven can be bred to get more as you need them...but getting started is the hardest part...because a good line of dogs is hard to come by...

Just like Everything else....inflation......Obama's Artificially low intrest rates has about made the US dollar worthless.

Do you know the man selling the dogs? Do you know the bloodline of the dogs? Have you seen these dogs or any of the dogs in its background work? If not I dont know how you would come to the conclusion that this fella is ripping anyone off. If they turn out anything like the sire to these pups $2000 is just a drop in the bucket from what Ive seen and know. Sure is alot of drama starters on this board lately and Im sure they will all be dealt with accordingly in time.

I mouthed off on a hunt the other day , Id sell that dog for 4 grand and my buddy kept saying you shouldnt of said that and offered 3500 cash right there , he never throwed down the other 500 , Im sure glad , I take a high value of my older dogs , time and tracks and a sure enought good dog is worth a lot in my book  and could get probably what you ask for it ,  a honest man would take you hunting more than once with a said dog and you could make your call on a price , Im sure glad I still have mine and broke LOL

If I had a good dog I might would sell it. I just ain't never had a good one.lol

Well I like the way T Bob thinks...  I'll be down to pick up a few yalls dogs... What kind of dog food do y'all want??   ;)

Trent, you already missed out bro. One of the dogs I gave to a fella just came up on the dog trade as a "jam up bmc strike dog" for over thousand lol! I'm kinda flattered that a dog who i didn't like enough to keep could pull that kinda dough  rolleyes

After that I came to my scences and I won't give a dog away anymore. It's gonna have to be someone I actually know and trust.

Man I have been offered 2500 for one of my dogs one time. I couldnt do it. Outside people look at my dogs probably see a pack of rag tag mutts. But that's ok. I have so much time, blood, sweat, and even a few tears in my pack!!! I damn sure aint got the best dogs around. Hell I am lucky if they find a hog every once in awhile. But I love what I got!!! My dogs mean so damn much to me, there aint no way I could sell em. There is a few select people that I would GIVE my dogs to... And heck they may not even hunt for em. People do crazy things, and on the fact of paying big bucks for a dog. I would damn sure pay BIG money for a certain dog I had that is kilt now!!! If I could pay money to bring that gyp back to me I wouldnt think twice about it!!!!

 :laugh: >:D >:D. Very good point.

I guess ill give my opinion too then..
First of all it would be nice to have the kind of $,
to "spend" on a well trained finished dog. 
"Trained by someone else".. thats weird to me that someone
Wouldnt ttrain there OWN dogs to obey and do there specific
Job..the way YOU want them to.   I have been around dogs and old men that
Traded back qnd forth between friends my whole entire life..my grandfather wss takin me coyote huntin with hounds since i was a kid.  I never seen cash exchanged for a dog i guess thats just cuz we allways been poor.lol  anyway  to each his own dogs a dog i guarantee i can go to pound and pici up dog and train to be a hogdog. 

Hamilton how long does it usually take to train a good dog from the pound? You start with puppies or older dogs?

When do we start placing our orders???

we get bulldog and pits from the pound when they pick them up and trained them and sell them for 100 to 150 at the most we hunt them for about 6 months 2 or 3 times a week and there good to go

I'm not talking about a catch dog...

You can train any bulldog to catch man that isnt even training you just show then what it is and most of the time caught hog. Someone that knows very little about hunting can do that. Im with mike i mean STRIKE DOGS!!!!! ;D

I have a number 2zu i will pay money for you to train.  I want him long ranged,take a cold track find bay and stay. Whats it going to cost me to get him trained. Im thinking $150 dollars should do,if all works out well I will send you ten more. Is it ok if I send you dogs with mange ? I drive by them every day someone dumped them if you can train them to then,I will pay for them to ne trained also.

I'll take 2!!!! hell there's about 20 strays runnin around my neighborhood, i'll save you the trouble goin to the pound..........I'm sure I can rope 1/2 of em for you to come pick up......all I ask in return is for 2 of em back........100% finished and ready to burn the woods down of course! lol

Hell it don't take that much to train a strike dog
My brother got a flea bag that some one shot with one eye
From under a oak mot he fround he look ugly ugly dog
He's a strike dog 100% now Hell I told him to shoot him when he brought
Him home but he told me hill keep him it if you can't train one
Call us the youngguns will do it

Do you mind sharing your training teqhniques??

Please do, im all ears!

No I sure don't number 2 just come hunt with me and my brother we like for new people to come with us
We have 4 wind dogs and 4 catch dog and your dog are welcome just no trail barking dogs and no beer
We hunt 80,000 acre we like making new friends and to join the contest down here let me no buds and we
Will show you what we do its really up to the dogs not the breed let me no buds

If u got a good older dog it aint s*** to train a new dog
If its got drive.  Ive got4 top notch dogs all i did waso take em where
Theres hogs and my old gyp will do tha rest..now there all good it
Took about 2 years but hey i got good dogs now and didnt pay a cent
For em

What breed(s) are they??

Catahoula/bmc crosses and kemmer/walker/bmc cross

I'm sure you can show they are good dogs, I'd just like to know what YOU did to make them good...

So do you think you could take a dog that's NOT bred to hunt and it turn out the same??

Hogdog hunter86 what is your location?  I would like to tag along!

Well its all good and well when young pups do as my older
Dog but when they do something WRONG thats when I come in
And make sure it dont become a habit.  Now you let me know who in tha world
Trains there hogdog one on one without showin him another dog
Doin what u want done...enlighten me young man.

Ive been huntn with hamilton past 3-4  years.. His dogs were all free or close to it.. Ive seen first hand what patience and good training will do. My dogs are olny hunted with his and have learned well.  We dont but and trade dogs we hunt with what we have  and thats worked well for us

I never said I train them alone we run them with other dogs
And my main dog was $250 that's the 100% trash broke hunts off the hood
Don't trail barks from there we got dog from people off this site
For 50 to 100 and my little brother does most of the training
Like I said he hunts 3 to 4 times a week and he will ride around
And pick up muts if they work he keeps them if not well they of back were
They came from we don't breed no dogs all are females are fixed
South Texas sarco

Wait a second you just said if they dont work you send them back. So what,happened to training any dog from the pound to being a hog dog.

I said that.  So instead of just commenting bavk on stuff
Just to be freakin smartasses.   Just dont comment at all.
All u people with yalls fancy 2000$ dogs need to think about it.
There aint no reason to thank your number 2 dont stink jusy cause
You got tha money to WASTE on q dog.  Theres a difference in stating an opinion
And
bein a smartass. 

Who's the smart ass???

You're the one that stated any ol pound dog can be trained to be a hog dog. Then you came back and said if they had the "drive", they would pick it up being hunted? That is true... if they have the "drive". If not, there's nothing you can do. How many of these dogs have you picked up and trained? I'm assuming four from your later response...

If anyone thinks that any old dog can be a hog dog... we're on opposite ends of the spectrum on what we think a hog dog is.

Don't none of y'all get wadded up... we're having us a discussion.

I like these training topics. ;D

And this is where standards come into play!

I've culled quite a few dogs that would bark at a hog and run one for awhile, and no lots more who have culled 10x the dogs I have.  Just because they bark and run a hog don't make em a hog dog.

It's hard to say you have top notch hog dogs without constantly comparing them to what's considered pretty solid hog dogs.  The dogs I'm speaking of speak for themselves.

Me too!!! They are about as entertaining as the Dogo threads !!!!   :D

hey hamilton hogger im with you bud ill bet i can have mike pick any 5 dog he wants to any breed from the pound muts and i can make a dog
out of them even better then them $2000 dogs just give

How many do you want me to send you?

You already answered my question to you in your last post... that's was all I needed to know. ;) Cward summed it up in his reply.

I want a dog that will cover all the country around me, looping from my feet out to a 1/2 mile. Take an 8 hour old track and stick in a hard race for no less than 25 miles on the Garmin... if he can't stop the hog.

Can you train me this type of dog from any old pound mutt? If so, you better start taking orders because you'll be a rich man.

Mike I think stopping the hog should be a requirement.. It shouldn't be too hard to train..

Heck them pound dogs will probably be half pit anyways!!

Oh, and I haven't bought any $2,000 dogs... don't know why that keeps popping up? I raise my own and have culled a bunch that don't meet my expectations. ;)

Well mydogs do speak for themslves.   I live in hamilton texas i hunt EVERY weekend and since i dont know what im talkin about just come on down and see for yourselves i would be more than happy to show you.  And to be homest ive gotten
One dog from pound i trained it and traded for a catch vest and some collars.
And yes it was half kerr and somethin else so it did hqve hunt in it.  But i also hqd a heeler/collie mix that was
Strikin higs at 4 months old...rip...  anyway not tryin to hqve any bad blood btwwn anybody sone things
just rub me backwards.   Especially smarta$$e$.  Hqve a little more respect
For people instead of hearin somethin nu dont believe and talkin crqp about it...i was allways told dont believe nothin u hear.  And only ualf of what u see.
but there aint no reason to put opinions in when you dont hqve a legit one.

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder".. Some people think those are crazy prices for dogs, no way. I've seen two dogs that ended up selling for $3500 a piece get flat embarrasses by Boogie and Briar one day. I know of another man who has paid $5k for a dog multiple times. No offense but if you havnt seen the best of the best, it's hard to put a price on them. We don't hunt for the $$$ or anything else, strictly the enjoyment. But it would take an open check book to buy some of the dogs we hunt now and have hunted in the past...

For those dog trainers out there... if you HONESTLY think you can take any dog from the pound or whatever and train them to be "hog-dogs"?!? Well sit in my own opinion you need to raise your opinion of what an actual hog dog is. I know you may have been lucky now with your current pack but to say you can train anything is pure bs

Let me put it in a different perspective for y'all trainers. 75% kids grow up playing little league sports. Let's take baseball for example. Sure all 75% of those kids are "baseball players". Now you get to highschool and maybe 25% of those kids make the baseball team and call themselves "baseball players", then those kids graduate and now 5% are actually good enough to play college sports and call themselves "baseball players", finally the cream rises to the crop and 1% of those kids actually are "legitimate big league baseball players"

To me hog dogs are the same way. Some people hunt t-ballers, most hunt high schoolers, the majority of good ones are college athletes and the superstars... Well they make the big bucks in the majors!!

Quit talking so bad about my dogs Tony  ;D

They ball big with them soft Tee-balls!

Hamilton, that's great... sounds like you've been fortunate with your dogs. Do you ever travel and try them in different terrains, or just hunt there? The reason I ask is because that will show you what your dogs are made of.

Nobody is being a smart ass... the point being made is that not any dog can be a hog dog.

Tshelly good example!

Im not sure your seeing the point...

No one is saying you have sorry dogs...

Each dog you listed that you TRAINED was a breed(s) that are bred to hunt/work...

Heelers and collies are also working dogs FYI...

The point is, you can't take a dog with no hunt/drive and train that into them...

You stated that you just run them with your old gyp and let her do the rest..
Well what if you didn't have her, what would you do??

Most likely, you would show them hogs and feed them tracks and let their GENETICS take over...

Do many train their pups one on one?? No, but with a pup with the right genetics you could if you wanted...

Hahaha that's funny!
Thanks Jody, yeah it's easier for people to understand the different levels of "hog dogs" when you can relate the to other athletes. Which is exactly what our dogs are, varying degrees of athletes

If hog dog are like baseball players, my dogs must be trying to be soccer players because they act like they are in a totally different game!!  ;D

Mike...yes ive hunted all oover texas allways tha same.
We produce hogs all tha same ive had same pack for 3 yrs
so im not worried bout em.ive caught 187 hogs since january 4 of this yr.
So im not to worried about what anybody thinks about
Me my dogs or the way i traiin em.  Good lucj everyone and happy huntin.

hell ya mike i can get me a yorkie cross and ill show you how its done boy!!!!

Awesome explanation...the cream rises to the top...picking the right pups is of utmost importance or we will be spinning our wheels...not an easy task...

I'd really like to see one of those  $5000 dogs hunt just to see how good they are. Not being a smartass myself, I'd just like to see it. 

I'll be headed west in a week or two... we'll dip south and come see you, your dogs and your program. I'll also bring a dog for you to train... if you can make it meet the criteria I posted above, you just made yourself 2 grand.

Do we have a deal? It's posted right here for the world to see...

POODLE ! POODLE ! POODLE ! ;D

Hamilton I was not being a smart@$$ I was stating the obvious. If your dogs have game or stock gentics then yes you expose them and some will turn out. You posted any dog from the pound could be trained. I have said it before and will say it again. Bucking bulls started from being bought at sale barns but when they started breeding them for certain gentics boy they got in a hole other class of bucking bulls. Yes I could still go buy a sale barn bull and go through100 to get a pbr bull. Or I can go buy 10 with the right gentics and have me a string of solid bucking bulls.

I want a dog that will cover all the country around me, looping from my feet out to a 1/2 mile. Take an 8 hour old track and stick in a hard race for no less than 25 miles on the Garmin... if he can't stop the hog



I sure hope he gets a blood hound because ive never seen a yella dog cat or even my plotts take an 8 hr track in the dry dirt of east texas

That's the training part comes in... rights? If you can train the hunt and the bottom... the nose shouldn't be a problem.

You just ain't training them right!!!  ;D ( another joke FYI )

I'm a believer in some dogs are real cold nosed but for the most part, alot of the Cur dogs can all smell the same but just ain't wired right to take the track, in his mind he's after something alil hotter.  Now saying that, I've seen some dogs take sign I wouldn't have ever thought was possible for a Cur dog.

Ben... leave the genetics out of it.

Evidently it plays no role when it comes to training.

Training a dogs nose to be colder . I will take a wiener and start with a hour old wiener drag across your grass the each hour I will drag my wiener across your grass until the dog trail the wiener up. After me dragging my wiener across your grass 8 hrs later that dog will be trained to smelling a wiener drag 8 hrs old.

Dont put your wiener in my yard Chance  ;D

You a better man than me. Aint no way im dragn my wiener across the ground. Them grass blades are sometimes as sharp as a knife and then the itching, aint been much for itch either.  ;D

If my dog bays your weiner... I'm sending in the bulldog!

Those dogs are gonna have a hard time trailing your wiener..

The smaller ones don't put off as much scent...

He will think twice before draging next time.  :D

Are we talking a boar weiner or a barr weiner? That will have a lot to do with the scent left behind...

As long as you dont castrate my wiener and turn it loose.

Definitely a boar wiener. A large boar some ladies miss its weight they usually guess it at about 750 lbs but being I know what a large wiener is cause I weighed so many. I say around 400 lbs. No I don't have pictures of it on the scales but I do have pictures if you would like to see.

Yep and cward is a good judge of them... He can hold one in each hand and tell you the weight difference...

You should see how some folks look at his that have never seen a spotted one..

lmao yall got me laughing out loud at work...good thing only dogs are around...even they are looking at me funny! ha

U guys are not right in the head.

man if i had a dog trail a hog 25 miles and then stop the hog ill shoot his ass and then my catch dogs for going that far
well that when you no whos dog are good my dogs have never went over then 2 miles they may have not stop them but
they came back and went home with me that night but not two many get away and there all muts.

Yeah, but that kind of talk sure quieted their opposition!

Im sure mike doesn't mean 25 miles in a straight line... I've seen MANY race go well over the 10 mile mark, but never get over a mile and a half away... Just a bunch of circles...

A 25 mile race...mostly in circles? Why not get in front of em.  After that long, I'd seriously doubt its the same pig that the race started with  anyway. Could be super pig though.

Well thats where the pound puppy might come into play quitting a hog. He is talking about covering that much ground in one hunt. Well you can't train this into a dog so that's why you don't understand. He is talking about looking at the Garmin and seeing how much ground his dogs cover weather running a hog or hunting a hog.

A twenty mile race is not uncommon here. In fact a 10-15 mile race is almost a given. Except here lately jumpin em full of rice >:D. And yes I would agree that they probably get dumped on other hogs from time to time.

Below is just one example of what mike us talking about, the collar that was on Red had 27 miles on it by the time I picked him up at daylight. His pads were bleeding, his fat reserves were completely depleted and he Was skin and bones dragging tongue.  ;D

(http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac192/t-bobparker/7BDA0DBE-B258-4349-9463-61642CC51CE4-140-0000001E958C01F4_zps03ae474a.jpg)

We later went on to catch that particular hog by only putting 2 real stock sensitive dogs down and found that he ran about 30 minutes and then just settled
Down nice and easy.

That's what bottom looks like on a garmin though if you were wondering how a dog gets that many miles on one race.

Don't shoot the 25 mile dog I'll give you 3 cases of beer and a pack of levi Garret for him...and don't shoot the catch dogs if they'll run that far I'll give you a case of beer each for them.

River place in Rosenburg?

Easier said than done....

86, if your dogs won't stick with one over two miles, I'm afraid you training a dog for me is out if the question. Two miles around here, they're barely getting limbered up... both dogs and hog.

J5, I've had quite a few races that long and was 100% sure it was the same hog that was started. It was seen several times along the way. Sometimes we bay the hog, a lot of times I'll have to cut the dogs off for various reasons and sometimes get flat out smoked. But I expect my dogs to give it their best.

I guess a lot of folks don't realize a hog can run that far... or dogs will stick with one that long.

Here's a small part of race that Jesse Paul and I ran from 11 at night till around 9 the next morning not too long ago...

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/20/areje2a5.jpg)

Damn looks like my garmin everytime i go to waterwood except mine wont fit in one screen LOL ;D

Chad, I think that's a screen shot from west Columbia but I could be wrong.

We obviously hunt different country and definitely have very different taste in dogs. Dogs that stay that long and far will get you in more trouble than they are worth and will get you a bad reputation where im from. Now that far hunting in a night is definitely not unheard of.

well mike i dont no if you walk your catch dogs to the bay we dont are catch dogs are cut from the truck when they bay starts
but theres one ranch we hunt i cut the dogs when our strikes dogs come off the hood or bark off the box cause them hogs here a bark
man they run thats how we hunt down here in south texas the hogs dont get to far that way thats what work for us but when we first started
hog hunting 18 yars ago people just sold us there junk and it took about 3 years to learn that and if i had to walk a catch dog to the bay i dont
need him in my pack . but i have had hogs beat us and my dogs
good hunting bud

I turn my catch dogs loose from as close as possible. They also wear a shock collar in case the bay breaks or they miss and don't catch it within a couple hundred yards.

I learned the hard way a few times about sending catch dogs from a far distance, it will never happen again.

That's just a small zoomed in shot of an 11 hour race.

Your Waterwood hogs are just like most of the hogs in this part of the country.

Hogdog hunter 86
If I read correct you say you leave your catch dogs loose or turn them loose at first bark.    So I take it you don't walk into a bay and watch the dogs work!   Because I would bet if you did this you would see that you'll have a bay breaker on the ground!   Yes some just run, but some are made to run!   You might be supprised what you could learn about your dogs if you walked in & watched them in the daylight!      We are often our Owen worst enemy!     Don't get wadded up!   This is what I am getting out of what you are saying!

well you cant read we have wind dogs that hunt off the truck when our dogs bark or jump off the truck we wait untill they bay then we cut the catch dogs out and run to the bay we never have are catch dogs on the ground we like to see our dogs work in the day or night

I believe what the man was getting at was keep the catchdog put away a few times and sneak all the way to the bay and watch the dogs to see if you've got one or more agitating the hog instead of simply baying it nicely and letting it settle in to being bayed. I know that was the case for lots of dogs I've gone through this past couple years, lots of them would " bay the hair off a hog" but with no baypen to keep the hog from running, those dogs were useless like tits on a boar.

I'm not attacking you either, I don't know you from Adam, just being helpful hopefully

That's all Jody said, you reiterated his point he was making to a T!  You don't get to see your bay dogs actually work a hog.  You have bulldogs running loose with one bark, that's not watching bay dogs work a hog.

Seems like some one cough cough 86 cough cough is gettin a lil frazzled , hell t bob if I didn't run rcds id sure sneak off to the bay and watch then run back to the truck for my catch  dogs to  lol I mean uh shoot where'd the hog go again  ??? ???

I have come to a conclusion after reading this post, when I read the title!  Pot-kettle-black

I'm not in it to watch a bay all day I'm in it to get in and get out
 and keep on hunting I no how all my dog work and even the bark of
each of my dog

Like tshelly said tee ball!

There are lots,of different styles of hunting. 86 if thats your thats your style. Not going to run it down. Glad to have you to the board.  I just do not believe all dogs can be trained to be a hog dog. I also don't believe a group of lets say 10 dogs total your pound puppies is going to be better hog dogs or any where in the same league as a group of dogs with gentics to work stock or game. You might luck up on a couple from the pound but its just luck. Is all im,saying. I do not start my pups with grown dogs all the time. They start there selves. I just expose them and gentics kick in.

Cward your spoiled lol.  You need to start spreading your yellow dog love hahaha.

thats true cward but i got two weathford ben dog as a pups both there mom and dad were strike dog and they wouldnt even look at a hog or coon or cow we got to of them with papers they were brothers we got from a guy for 500 for both of them there brother we got from two littlers
befor them was good we had him for 6 years untill he got killed thats why went back to the same guy cause we ran them pups with there older brother there nothing like he was we tryed them for 2 years on every thing we could they just didnt want to hunt the guy took them back and he gave us a female for them there sister she was good strike dog and he tried them brothers they didnt work for him so he killed them and we dont need papers for dogs but they were that blood line

You are correct. There are culls in every line, no matter how much hype and talk there is about a paticular yeller, hound or spotted dog line.

I buying me some a Ben breed dog a Parker dog, a plot hound, a blue tick, a red bone, a blue lacy , a walker dog, a bird dog, a pit  a American, and a dogo. My plans are to mix all these dogs and get me a spotted catahula.lol in ten years you will be able to find them all in the pounds and make hogs dogs at of them all.

Better throw some coyote in there too, you know for their natural stock sense and all.  :D

Lol cward.  You told me at one of the ttha conventions how you got started with your dogs you have now and not everyone is as fortunate to have the help and start you did.  I agree with you pretty much across the board on this subject but not everyone likes yellow lmao.  Personally I think it is a wussy color lol.  Plus you catch hogs with a jrt now who does that.  Lol just poking fun at ya. 

Great tbob just great you had to bring yotes into this. 

Well if it worked before...
 
 :D >:D

Tbob ur a good example if you did not have someone help u out in the dog department would you have the quality dogs you have now?  I ask this seriously as I don't think you could have bought them dogs they had to be given right?  The point I'm tring to get at is you have to be in the right spot and know the right people to get some dogs most being of great blood and or potential they are not for sale.  Sorta have to be "lucky"

Hey cward when that lines available I call pick of the litter !  ;) ill pay in peso's

I firmly believe if a man sets his mind to it, he can go thru lots of dogs and find the best he's able and make wise breeding decisions and after several years he'll have something real special (to him) and really what more could you ask for.

I talked to a guy in mississipi yesterday while I was there at his farm an he had thus that and the other crossed up and was super proud of them and doing really really really well with em. He'd caught 28 hogs this month so far, becuase he had high standards and stuck to them.

My best buddy Josh has extremely high standards and principles in what he wants from a dog and breeds accordingly. Becuase of this, he's got some serious deep hard hunting good baying catahoulas

The list could go on and on.

You bring up a good point though not everyones standards are the same.  I know for certain my standards in my strike/bay/find dogs are not near as high as yours but when it comes to cds I expect a lot.  There lies another difference is our standards may all be high but not in the same categories.

True true bro. You know Ill use anything for a catchdog! Hahahahahaha!

If you think my catchdog standards are goofy, you gotta see CWards "Gizmo" dog!! Thats the only hair-lipped dog I've ever seen! When he barks he says "mark mark", when you really get him all reved up and excited, that dog says "MARK MARK MARK!" :D :laugh:

Lmao this is why posts like this are so comical I may or may not agree with everything but in the end we durn near all are trying for the same end or trying to say the same thing.

Is gizmo the Jack Russell

Sorry guys.  I have been monitoring this post for awhile.

I have laughed, cryed, scratched my head and my rear while attempting to wind my watch.
But the radar went off and the marines were put on full alert when the derogatory remark was made about a Yeller dog. 

I have a barrage of air strikes aimed at this post currently armed with fart spray.

Finger on fire button!!!!!   Yeller is off limits for remainder of the post!    >:D >:D >:D >:D

Signed the Yeller Po Po.  popo

Ok guys we got to draw the line. My catch dogs are some what pretty and goofy looking all at the same time. But if you don't have anything nice to say about them then just dont say anything nice about them.lol 

Guys I have all the sperm in a jar from of all the breeds including the coyote. I will be stirring the sperm here shortly im just not sure what breed of female to A I. Ya'll give me some help.

Yellowblackmask  don't worry we can not ad a yellow dog to the list of dogs my friend do to the fact the yellow dogs are already perfect.

We are trying to come up with a breed that might can come close to them this is tuff.lol

If a yellow dog man had supplied all the marble for the capital building, maybe they would have been the state dog.

It's funny you say that because ever since I read a few days ago that lacys are the state dog it's really been irritating me. There's no question in my mind it should have been a yellow cur.

Ok........ now that i am back among birds of a feather......
I will stand down the light infantry and put the pin back in the Yeller gas grenades..........

For now.  ;D

I am not a yeller dog man but I do agree that the BMC should have been the Texas State dog...

Mr. Reuben I agree with you 100%

That's where I'm not sure how I feel and y'all know more than me so please enlighten me. If you ask the older cow pokes they don't know about a Bmc they know yeller cur red cur brindle cur so my question is should it have been "yellow cur" or "Bmc"?

They should all be refered to as cur dogs, because as bad as I hate to admit it, they were all cut from the same cloth.

Yes sir, all the old timers I ever talked to called them curs... solid, striped or spotted.

ok im going to have to agree. I will one day show some old history pictures of my dogs ancestors and the truth will come out.lol I just kept the yeller ones over the years.lol

Two things that modern day society has gotten right.

Air conditioning and the Yeller segregation.  :angel:

Some of the old cowboys said they wanted them yellow to beat the Texas heat. But them black dogs and old leaporad dogs could hold with any yeller dog.

Mr. Bray said old Big Boy's momma was part leopard. Some of my dogs are going back to him  around fifty times now. So far, I havn't had to go out under the cover of dark and dispose of any spotted are glass eyed pups.

bigo there's alot that dont show up in,my dogs and they are pretty tight linebreed  I need to figure out how to scan pictures and post so you can see all them old dogs.

Gizmo is one bad American bulldog!!!  ;D

 lol i find it  [ ironic ] that the thread about  CRAZY PEOPLE  wound up being about people that own yeller dogs   lol   !!!!!!!!!!!

Yep... Dog prices to yeller dogs to weiners and back to yeller dogs..

A typical ETHD thread!!  ;D

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Yeller power :P

I believe that is true to this very day.

I'm with the rest of the people. If someone don't wanna spend $1500+ they don't... Then again that $26 dollar bag of feed I go through in about 7 days adds up quick that's $1,352 just in food alone for ONE year. Not including shots, wormer, routine vet checkups every 4 months..oh and the 5 gallons of water there getting replaced Every day per dog. So if you have a 'finished dog' for say 4 years that's roughly $5,408 just in food alone once again...idk about you man but I hate losing but in the dog world we all lose to a extinct except dog peddlers rolleyes so I'm not gonna sell my dogs for more than what they are worth but I'm not gonna get skunked either! If they don't like.. They don't buy. JMO

I would never pay more than $1000 for a good dog and if I pay that then he is gonna be registered so I can make some money back by making some breeding money

I really hope you don't pay 1300 a year per dog on food.

ha ha yeah that's what i was thinking  lol BUT  it adds up quick . i pay about 300.00 a month to feed my dogs [ about 20 ] so about 3600 a year in feed  then add the shot's booster wormer and time involved .  but when i figure my expenses on a dog i figure at the price of a bag of dog food a month . so the way i figure @ a year old i got 300 bucks in em so a good 5 year old dog will have no less than 1500. dollars invested . but then if you really figured your time at even minimum wage the dog would be priceless lol

Divided by 3 then cantex.

I am with HalfBreed on the feed...300 dollars a year per dog...6 dollars for wormer, 6 dollars for heart worm prevention...3 dollars for flea and tick prevention...20 dollars for 2 shots for pups...older dogs might get a booster every 2-3 years...15 dollars for yard guard mosquito spray during mosquito flare ups...

antibiotics are about 15 dollars a bottle and 18 dollars for a pump bottle of cut heal, just for emergency purposes...

about 350 a year per dog for the necessities...I try to keep all dog expenses to a bare minimum and having the dogs on concrete allows me to worm less and it also keeps the flea meds down to a minimum...

Mine have so much coyote in them. I just turn them loose at night and they catch there own for. ;D