EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Does it generally take for a Young dog to learn to stop hogs?
 I have a 10 month old kemmer cur and a 16 mnth old BMC  that are doing really good as of now the BMC has struck three only stopped her first hog though the other two (today) bust and she never could stop em she stayed with him about 20 min and the kemmer stayed about 30 min I know there young and it take time how how long is my question?
 Any advice is welcome

It will come with age and experience if it comes at all. Some dogs never will have stopping power and some that do will still have some hogs get away. It's really hard to put a time frame on it because every dog is different. All I know to tell you is to have patience.

Thank , I'm gonna be very patient cause they are already striking even though they loose hogs they get on I give em a little rub to let them stay a little coffedent and heading in the right direction

depends on the hog too some dont wanna stop easy

it takes time , and lots of hogs

Some hogs will never stop... Lol i think it all depends on if the dogs strike a hog that feels like baying or not.

try running one at a time and see if the hog will not break...

x2    it will come with age and experience some dogs are just better at stopping hogs that others. Some dogs just do more chasing than stopping and  you dont want that. its really all in the dog but age and experience is a key factor.

And it all depends on whether the hog wants to stand and fight or run for miles.

How many of y'all are actually seeing the dogs STOP the hog??

Or is it more of the hog deciding to stop??

Thanks y'all , wonder is a big bay pen would help them out any ? As far as getting used to the hog breaking bay and then figuring out how to spinning them around , the little BMC has been in a pen a couple times and as some as a hog runs she grabs a mouth ful , but seems like she ain't doing it in the woods or the hog is just running through it

 I see very few hogs till the bull dogs catch.


 Will put teeth on hog. - how do you know that ? Pretty slow hog if the dog can keep up with it.

Dang Mike, I didn't take you for a smart guy....  :D

I agree with you (sort of).
I hear people say loose dogs can't bay hogs over here in such and such county or gritty dogs are the only way to go, hog can't run with a bunch of rough dogs hanging off him... Blah blah it always makes me think, you're half put dogs had better be able to catch up to him first.

 
I say sort of agree though because I don't think boar hogs have super speed. They are fast, but I have a gyp who I've actually seen catch a doe not to long ago. She didn't kill it, just cuaght it got kicked I guess and came runnin back to me. Since I stated hunting in the day, I've seen that while hogs can jog forever, they can't sprint for long.

  Twill- thanks,I think.

       I am talking about 99% of dogs.
 Let me explain. A hog may not be able to out run a dog in long distance but when a hog takes off in the brush the dog has to rely on its nose just as much as its legs to catch up. The hog knows where it is going, the dog has to use the scent to stay on the hog if they break eye contact. That in itself will slow a dog down quite a bit. It is a question that most will not agree on.
   I had a dog that would nip the back. I am not sure if she did it if the hog was running but while it was bayed she would keep the hogs attention on her if it was acting like it was about to break the bay. If the hog settled down, she would back up and bay. To each their own. In a perfect world I would like loose dogs with a nose that was just as fast as its legs.

Agreed.

T-Bob, based on what I've seen and experienced many times over... I will disagree with that statement.

 I think animals are just like humans. Some are gonna be faster then others. Do you agree Mike? I have seen some hogs flat out get it in the open, then others doing their best and not getting any where fast.

I agree 100%... the more they're are hunted and pressured, the faster and smarter they'll get.

Which part do you disagree with Mike? That they don't have superspeed? Or they can't SPRINT for long?

Super speed may be relative, but not being able to maintain a dead sprint for long periods of time isn't an opinion, the cheetah is the fastest land mammal on earth, built to sprint and they can't maintain top speed for more than a minute or two tops. Fortunately for the cheetah, neither can a gazelle.


Ground Conditions and terrain of course play a key role in a dog vs hog race, but when the field is leveled as in the case of open pasture or plowed grain land, a well built and well conditioned dog is gonna be able to catch up to most hogs. This is not the norm of course, but trent asked about SEEING dogs stop hogs and my statement was more or less directed to that.

Now in the woods, heck, you saw mine get their butts handed to them by running hogs once or twice :D ;)

That's why I'm scared of the dark now, I believe what cantexduck was saying about hogs having the upperhand after a hog breaks to be true, so I like the dogs to be able to use their eyes as well as nose and legs now. That's all I'm getting at.

Stopping a runner that hasn't been bayed (on the current hunt) is one thing but a hog breaking bay is another. I don't think there's a physical reason a dog can't sit a hog down within a few yards of breaking if it's in the dogs character to do so. That's the kind of dog I want. 

T-Bob, I don't know the term you want to use, but I've seen many a hog go many miles at a very high rate of speed with some super fast dogs burning their ass up... and never check up. ;)

I don't think they were trotting, maybe not a sprint... but,running their ass off.

x2...a hog is fast and can take the heat better than dogs that hunt once a week (I am talking about the summer months)...the hog always runs towards the thick brush because that doesn't slow him down much...but the dogs slow down considerably in those thick briars and palmettos...dogs with lots of bottom and with the ability to stick with the track and those dogs that will get in a large briar patches after a hog will eventually bring that hog to bay...When the weeds are dead and down after January the dogs will take the heat better and they will also catch the hogs faster...usually in less than a mile with the old pack I used to keep...but when five dogs are running the hog and they overtake him in the open it is a stopped hog...open meaning that the dogs can hammer down on the hog and stay clear of the ivory...in the summertime these dogs don't do as well in the thick jungle...

It's all in the game .. some dogs never stop em and some start stopping them young ..  all depends on the dog and his confidence

Who gives a dam just go catch some  hogs the ones that get away catch them later

And if u cant stop one or every catch one get better dogs that bout sums it up

Ill take the Kemmer gyp....... Anyways, from what ive seen, experience seems to be the key to a dog doing anything in the woods, some just show sooner then others. Are you sure it's hogs their working? at times my young dogs coming back was the only way I knew they were trashing....it always seemed to be at the 10-15min mark.

Our dogs grab rear end and hold on til hog stops. Once it turns n faces them they keep its attention. They don't make a sound til hog is stopped and facing them. If they do get noisy on trail they move into someone else's kennel. We usually give our dogs until a year old. If they are not where we think they should be they move on. We have gotten rid of a lot of good dogs tht turned out great later but just wasn't fast enough for us. Got one now that gettin close to movin on.